This is twice you have made a statement along these lines, and it shows that you have not thought about the purpose of communicating. Why bother communicating if it isn't to accomplish some purpose? Is it just to fill the air with sound waves because you are afraid of silence?
An honest teacher attempts to imbue a student with knowledge in the hopes of benefiting, if not himself, at least his tribe or perhaps humanity as a whole, while a dishonest teacher imbues a student with propaganda, reinforcing his agenda. You and I both post here in the hopes of influencing others to think more similarly to us. Even animals communicate to cause others to do something, whether it is a mating call, a call of warning, communicating food, or location. In every case it is an attempt to inflict your will upon the world. What else could it be?
They treat all communication as an exercise in extracting benefits from (or causing harm to) other people.
is the core of the problem.
Everyone uses communication to extract some benefit.
The dishonest one is to say whatever is necessary to obtain your goal with no regard for what you actually believe.
And your example, is exactly that, someone saying a specific set of words to accomplish their goal. In either scenario, the words spoken and the outcome, whatever it is, are identical. The buyer manipulated the seller.
You seem to have some distinction between good manipulation and bad manipulation where there is only just manipulation. It is a tool like any other.
As for trust, you can only have a high trust society when it is in others self interest to see you succeed. Your success contributes to their DNA being passed on, either because you have the same ancestors and thus DNA, or because you will in the future help them (enlightened self interest). Anytime either of those preconditions are violated, no matter how communication occurs, you will have a low trust society. In a low trust society communication doesn't matter because the niggers are just gonna steal everything anyways.
This is twice you have made a statement along these lines, and it shows that you have not thought about the purpose of communicating. Why bother communicating if it isn't to accomplish some purpose? Is it just to fill the air with sound waves because you are afraid of silence?
An honest teacher attempts to imbue a student with knowledge in the hopes of benefiting, if not himself, at least his tribe or perhaps humanity as a whole, while a dishonest teacher imbues a student with propaganda, reinforcing his agenda. You and I both post here in the hopes of influencing others to think more similarly to us. Even animals communicate to cause others to do something, whether it is a mating call, a call of warning, communicating food, or location. In every case it is an attempt to inflict your will upon the world. What else could it be?
Ch's statement:
Everyone uses communication to extract some benefit.
And your example, is exactly that, someone saying a specific set of words to accomplish their goal. In either scenario, the words spoken and the outcome, whatever it is, are identical. The buyer manipulated the seller.
You seem to have some distinction between good manipulation and bad manipulation where there is only just manipulation. It is a tool like any other.
As for trust, you can only have a high trust society when it is in others self interest to see you succeed. Your success contributes to their DNA being passed on, either because you have the same ancestors and thus DNA, or because you will in the future help them (enlightened self interest). Anytime either of those preconditions are violated, no matter how communication occurs, you will have a low trust society. In a low trust society communication doesn't matter because the niggers are just gonna steal everything anyways.
Do you want to ban guns? They can, after all, be used to kill good people.
Manipulation requires intent.
shit leftists don't use language to inform, but to manipulate
EVERYONE uses language to manipulate.
I would argue that persuasion and manipulation are very different.
How are they diffrent?