Redditors/leftists: "she has a stable relationship and an emotional stability to have a large healthy family REEEEEEEEEEE!"
I got nothing against this especially when all these kids look this happy together, rather have 8 kids all born in on family (which both parents must be units to keep up with) than one guy pump and dumping lots of single women.
rather have 8 kids all born in on family than one guy pump and dumping lots of single women
That sounds like an interesting comparison one could make to determine just how consistently crazy those redditors are. I bet many of them would fawn over posts about single mothers. Especially minorities or white women with black babies. Those cases seem way more common than giant nuclear families these days. Makes you wonder if it's really not overpopulation they're worried about at all...
They don't want large monogamous families because they are more likely to pass down traditions, help each other out to not be as reliant on the state and can be more emotionally stable since with those large families you end up with the older kids some times helping take care of younger siblings so have a concept early on of responsibility.
Forget single mothers, I bet these same redditors would fawn over a non-white family with that many kids regardless of parental marital status. They see a large amount of white children so they probably assume conservative parents,
and that's more than enough for them to get their double standards out.
The left wing mindset boils down to cognitive dissonance. They have to praise things that are objectively bad like single motherhood and denigrate things that are objectively good like a cohesive family unit.
Otherwise they would have to admit that some behaviors are better than others and certain demographics are more likely to engage in bad behavior.
Well yeah. Single mommies are entitled to a gigacuck that pays for her bad choices under the Clown World paradigm. And the gigacuck's reward is getting his life destroyed in family court. It's the ones who do things correctly that get a "you made your bed so now get fucked in it" response from the left.
See, my only issue with someone choosing to have a large family is whether or not it's sustainable (emotionally, financially, etc etc). That's of course going to vary on a case by case scenario, and it's just a slight concern of mine, personally.
I'm generally not the kind of person who feels like it's my place to tell everyone how to live their lives though, and I'm generally not a fan of people who feel the need to pass judgement on anyone and claim some moral "superiority" (Like the nutjobs in that thread).
From a historical perspective, I 100% understand why larger families were often a positive or useful thing. I am far from unaware of that. I just have trouble seeing it as being consistently ideal in modern times, particularly for me personally.
For me it has nothing to do with selfishness or hedonism like it might be for some, so much as recognizing my limitations in how thinly I can spread myself, emotionally and mentally, across multiple things on a regular basis.
And I'd rather not muck things up for my kids simply because I and my partner decided to have more kids than we could manage.
Even while I'm not exactly religious myself, I agree and share the same overall sentiment.
I'll admit for a long time I was not open to having children and raising a family. That was when I was young and frankly, immature. Lacking in confidence, unsure of myself, etc.
In recent years I've developed a stronger appreciation for how much purpose, meaning, and importance there is in becoming a husband and father. It's not a responsibility to be taken lightly, but it's also not a sort of duty to shirk from either. It's also not something that will work for everyone in the same way either.
In the end, each man must seek out his own path, based on what has been laid out before him.
...No, I'm not. For me it's not even remotely about prioritizing my own wants or needs. Hell, it's not even about freeing myself of burdens, stress, or anguish. It's straight up recognizing that I have some limitations that I may try my best to manage and overcome but are still going to impact how much I can effectively do. And I know my limitations far far better than you do.
I'm open to having children with the right woman. I'm just not going to invite myself to having so many that I know will only lead to a broken home and a dysfunctional family. Again, I'm talking about me personally, not everyone else.
Thanks man, I appreciate that. Both you and Adamrises are right. And that's mostly what I was trying to convey.
I mean I would like if more people would at least aspire to trying to raise a family with at least one or two healthy kids. But even so, for some people, try as they might, even that may be too much for them to handle.
I mean, its a concern you have to think about when making choices about your life and the lives of others.
If you can't afford a house that can comfortably bed that many kids, then you shouldn't have that many. Making a bunch of kids grow up 3+ to a room just so you can have your epic big family is far more selfish, because that's a lot of misery you are piling on them. And that's just a single consideration you have to take.
You shouldn't over think things because you will always convince yourself out of them, but having actual realistic understandings of money, space and time should always be on the table. If not for yourself, then for the fucking kids who have to live through your consequences.
Thanks, and you're right. That's a good way to word what I was trying to say.
It's something of a fine balance. Like it IS a worrisome state of affairs with just how many perfectly successful and happy people are deliberately choosing to never have kids.
But like you said, trying to go too far into the opposite extreme isn't necessarily going to lead to a healthy situation either.
And you're right. I used to try to talk myself out of the idea entirely. And for a long time, it worked, because I didn't understand or fathom why I'd want to take on such a responsibility. Eventually I came to understand how important that responsibility can be. How meaningful. And that it's something to work towards and aim for, within one's ability.
There is a reason why most parents start by accident and then never end up regretting it. Because its easy to convince yourself out of it forever, logically it makes sense to never, but once you just jump in it works itself out and you find a way to make it happen for them.
But most people on "our side" of this "culture war" don't think logistics. They just say to pump out kids and never consider that society is built around making sure you don't do that. We can't just have mom quit her job to be a housewife and then create our big family, not without a lot of luck and an amazing job, even if that is the best way to do it. Its just not feasible and would only create suffering for everyone to do it. So its up to all of us to do the best we can, not some pipe dream utopia.
Aye. It's a very easy thing to put off or avoid, until suddenly a person realizes they've just about run out of time.
I think what helped me put things in perspective was to realize just how integral raising a child can be just as part of the overall human experience. It's part of the very essence of biological life itself.
But even so, like you say, there are a lot of variables to factor in, both on the small scale and the large scale, and I think you put it far more eloquently than I can.
This is precisely it, and it applies to all the "choices" that feminism gives women. Look at how much they despise housewives even though the boss bitch shtick was supposed to be a "choice".
How is having so many kids a sustainable economy??
They literally don't understand that having large families creates wealth. Normally, because the kids can still (eventually) do so many things, and put in so much work, that it becomes possible to use their labor to both gain income and cut time devoted to other tasks, like maintenance.
5 people cleaning a 5 person home takes an average amount of time. 7 people cleaning a 5 person home takes little time. 1 person cleaning a 5 person home is effectively impossible.
Fundamentally, one of the reasons immigrants have large families, is because they are aware of this fact.
They are worth more than that, but the premise is also untrue. College is option, and to some extent so are visits to the doctor. There are reusable cloth diapers, most people are just too lazy. Childcare can be handled by the mom and, if the Redditters' kneejerk reactions about the family being evangelical conservatives are correct, might very well be. So, yeah, you need to feed the kids; I'll give them that one. Now, I'm certainly not saying kids are free, but the idea that it's millions of dollars (and implied out of pocket, too) is flat out wrong.
Part of the issue is that they spend a lot of disposable income on disposable expense, but consider it absolute necessities. They can't imagine being willing to cut $10,000 a year on alcohol and night-life, while having a kid, let alone 10. They don't realize that being a parent will change their interests, or worse: are afraid it will.
Then when they turn 40 they start writing articles at Buzzfeed about how glad they are they didn't have children, and never will. (They're not glad).
That isn't a very fringe opinion when it comes to leftists. Quite common actually in my experience. I've heard people say similar things in real life. Sometimes I take solace in thinking certain things are just for crazies on the internet to say under conditions of anonymity, but people are crazy enough to think that one is a normal thing to say.
The comments are crazy. You know absolutely nothing about it other than the picture and still condemn her and her children to misery. What if she's a billionaire and can afford the help? What if the children were to grow up in a well-loved family? What if she had a willing and great support community? I bet if the Mom was "trans", then it would be heroic, right.
Yup. According to these degenerates she should have had 10 different kids from 10 different men and abused the family court system to extort a living out of them. Living life without exploiting someone else is a foreign concept to these freaks.
And, for me, archives are more about, well, archiving, than denying clicks. Reddit threads can get deleted (as can anything else), it's nice to have a backup.
As to how to do it, it's pretty easy. Just go to archive.is, copy/paste the URL in, wait for it to archive, and then you're good to go.
Anti-natalist sentiments stem from a negligent ability to think in systems. Developed nations and non-poor (not beneath working and lower middle class) socioeconomic classes have sub-replacement fertility rates, so going after these families is scapegoating.
Developed nations have a nasty habit of allowing innovation and efficiency gains to be canceled out by parasitic behavior across the SES spectrum. It is possible to have the 22 y/o single-earner working class household by systematically analyzing and correcting policy changes taken place over the past century. Snarky comments about the cost of 8 kids are taking the status quo for granted.
I like the constant jump between "this is so much money! she must be so rich and I hate her!" and the "everyone from these types of families hates children because they all had to help raise their younger siblings."
Its almost like one of those is solved by the other, a problem we figured out probably before civilization existed. And the latter issue I'm sure is totally only because of their home life, and not because they share the depression filled mindrot to be friends with someone who posts like that.
These same people offer no criticism of rampant single motherhood, which is the leading predictor for anti-social behavior, because it’s an overwhelmingly black phenomenon.
They’re all just inversionists. Literally satanic.
That's actually a big part of why I became okay with judging these degenerates. I was fine with a live and let live attitude in my naive lolbertarian days. Then I realized that they'll never give up that privilege themselves, so why should I be the retard that holds myself to standards that my opponent will never observe?
Gotta love the left's take of don't be judgemental about race, gender, disability, national origin, sexuality, religion, hair, ethnicity
I saw someone, self identifying FTM manlet, on Twitter trying to make a joke about the new X logo by saying Elon has a lot of Xs in his life, so suddenly "slut shaming" is back on the menu because "no bad tactics, only targets".
Redditors/leftists: "she has a stable relationship and an emotional stability to have a large healthy family REEEEEEEEEEE!"
I got nothing against this especially when all these kids look this happy together, rather have 8 kids all born in on family (which both parents must be units to keep up with) than one guy pump and dumping lots of single women.
That sounds like an interesting comparison one could make to determine just how consistently crazy those redditors are. I bet many of them would fawn over posts about single mothers. Especially minorities or white women with black babies. Those cases seem way more common than giant nuclear families these days. Makes you wonder if it's really not overpopulation they're worried about at all...
They don't want large monogamous families because they are more likely to pass down traditions, help each other out to not be as reliant on the state and can be more emotionally stable since with those large families you end up with the older kids some times helping take care of younger siblings so have a concept early on of responsibility.
Normal people will consistently reject deviants and miscreants. Which is what makes up the bulk of reddit.
Forget single mothers, I bet these same redditors would fawn over a non-white family with that many kids regardless of parental marital status. They see a large amount of white children so they probably assume conservative parents, and that's more than enough for them to get their double standards out.
Damn, you're right. That's an even better example of who we're dealing with here. Many such cases.
The left wing mindset boils down to cognitive dissonance. They have to praise things that are objectively bad like single motherhood and denigrate things that are objectively good like a cohesive family unit.
Otherwise they would have to admit that some behaviors are better than others and certain demographics are more likely to engage in bad behavior.
It's not an unwillingness to admit that some behaviors are better than others. They really think that bad behavior is good because they're evil.
I agree they're definitely evil too. Redditors especially are some of the most bitter, hateful, pathetic people on the planet.
Well yeah. Single mommies are entitled to a gigacuck that pays for her bad choices under the Clown World paradigm. And the gigacuck's reward is getting his life destroyed in family court. It's the ones who do things correctly that get a "you made your bed so now get fucked in it" response from the left.
See, my only issue with someone choosing to have a large family is whether or not it's sustainable (emotionally, financially, etc etc). That's of course going to vary on a case by case scenario, and it's just a slight concern of mine, personally.
I'm generally not the kind of person who feels like it's my place to tell everyone how to live their lives though, and I'm generally not a fan of people who feel the need to pass judgement on anyone and claim some moral "superiority" (Like the nutjobs in that thread).
From a historical perspective, I 100% understand why larger families were often a positive or useful thing. I am far from unaware of that. I just have trouble seeing it as being consistently ideal in modern times, particularly for me personally.
For me it has nothing to do with selfishness or hedonism like it might be for some, so much as recognizing my limitations in how thinly I can spread myself, emotionally and mentally, across multiple things on a regular basis.
And I'd rather not muck things up for my kids simply because I and my partner decided to have more kids than we could manage.
Even while I'm not exactly religious myself, I agree and share the same overall sentiment.
I'll admit for a long time I was not open to having children and raising a family. That was when I was young and frankly, immature. Lacking in confidence, unsure of myself, etc.
In recent years I've developed a stronger appreciation for how much purpose, meaning, and importance there is in becoming a husband and father. It's not a responsibility to be taken lightly, but it's also not a sort of duty to shirk from either. It's also not something that will work for everyone in the same way either.
In the end, each man must seek out his own path, based on what has been laid out before him.
You are describing hedonism. You just don’t want to admit it to yourself.
Maybe it's hedonistic, but it's also smart in a society where family courts work the way they do.
...No, I'm not. For me it's not even remotely about prioritizing my own wants or needs. Hell, it's not even about freeing myself of burdens, stress, or anguish. It's straight up recognizing that I have some limitations that I may try my best to manage and overcome but are still going to impact how much I can effectively do. And I know my limitations far far better than you do.
I'm open to having children with the right woman. I'm just not going to invite myself to having so many that I know will only lead to a broken home and a dysfunctional family. Again, I'm talking about me personally, not everyone else.
Thanks man, I appreciate that. Both you and Adamrises are right. And that's mostly what I was trying to convey.
I mean I would like if more people would at least aspire to trying to raise a family with at least one or two healthy kids. But even so, for some people, try as they might, even that may be too much for them to handle.
Actually stats show the more children the less likely a broken home
In some cases maybe, but I'd wager that a lot of that depends on a lot more than offspring numbers as a variable.
Try showing me the same stats in families with a history of mental illness, bad genes, and/or extreme poverty.
I mean, its a concern you have to think about when making choices about your life and the lives of others.
If you can't afford a house that can comfortably bed that many kids, then you shouldn't have that many. Making a bunch of kids grow up 3+ to a room just so you can have your epic big family is far more selfish, because that's a lot of misery you are piling on them. And that's just a single consideration you have to take.
You shouldn't over think things because you will always convince yourself out of them, but having actual realistic understandings of money, space and time should always be on the table. If not for yourself, then for the fucking kids who have to live through your consequences.
Thanks, and you're right. That's a good way to word what I was trying to say.
It's something of a fine balance. Like it IS a worrisome state of affairs with just how many perfectly successful and happy people are deliberately choosing to never have kids.
But like you said, trying to go too far into the opposite extreme isn't necessarily going to lead to a healthy situation either.
And you're right. I used to try to talk myself out of the idea entirely. And for a long time, it worked, because I didn't understand or fathom why I'd want to take on such a responsibility. Eventually I came to understand how important that responsibility can be. How meaningful. And that it's something to work towards and aim for, within one's ability.
There is a reason why most parents start by accident and then never end up regretting it. Because its easy to convince yourself out of it forever, logically it makes sense to never, but once you just jump in it works itself out and you find a way to make it happen for them.
But most people on "our side" of this "culture war" don't think logistics. They just say to pump out kids and never consider that society is built around making sure you don't do that. We can't just have mom quit her job to be a housewife and then create our big family, not without a lot of luck and an amazing job, even if that is the best way to do it. Its just not feasible and would only create suffering for everyone to do it. So its up to all of us to do the best we can, not some pipe dream utopia.
Aye. It's a very easy thing to put off or avoid, until suddenly a person realizes they've just about run out of time.
I think what helped me put things in perspective was to realize just how integral raising a child can be just as part of the overall human experience. It's part of the very essence of biological life itself.
But even so, like you say, there are a lot of variables to factor in, both on the small scale and the large scale, and I think you put it far more eloquently than I can.
These people are absolutely unhinged.
And? These people treat pregnancy as a disease, it's really psychotic.
This is one of the worst. I hate this shit. People who have kids, and treat them as a burden for merely existing are evil.
This one might be sarcastic, but for the sake of humor I'll say: You're on Reddit, we just assume you're into that sort of thing...
This probably takes second place for the Worst Take award. Do these people think before they say something? No, no they don't.
Also, doesn't this conflict a bit with 'a woman's (whatever the heck a woman is, I don't know, I'm not a bigot or a biologist) right to choose?'
It's almost - almost - like these fucks just hate humanity. Killing kids? Alright! Having kids? wE nEeD a lAw!!!!111
EDIT: One more comment:
Yeah! What will the immigrants we bring in to replace you, because you aren't having enough kids, going to do?! Wait...
I imagine they operate under a similar thought process as the ford quote:
In this case, a woman can choose any option she wants as long as it's an abortion.
This is precisely it, and it applies to all the "choices" that feminism gives women. Look at how much they despise housewives even though the boss bitch shtick was supposed to be a "choice".
They literally don't understand that having large families creates wealth. Normally, because the kids can still (eventually) do so many things, and put in so much work, that it becomes possible to use their labor to both gain income and cut time devoted to other tasks, like maintenance.
5 people cleaning a 5 person home takes an average amount of time. 7 people cleaning a 5 person home takes little time. 1 person cleaning a 5 person home is effectively impossible.
Fundamentally, one of the reasons immigrants have large families, is because they are aware of this fact.
What if a human being is worth more than that?
They are worth more than that, but the premise is also untrue. College is option, and to some extent so are visits to the doctor. There are reusable cloth diapers, most people are just too lazy. Childcare can be handled by the mom and, if the Redditters' kneejerk reactions about the family being evangelical conservatives are correct, might very well be. So, yeah, you need to feed the kids; I'll give them that one. Now, I'm certainly not saying kids are free, but the idea that it's millions of dollars (and implied out of pocket, too) is flat out wrong.
Part of the issue is that they spend a lot of disposable income on disposable expense, but consider it absolute necessities. They can't imagine being willing to cut $10,000 a year on alcohol and night-life, while having a kid, let alone 10. They don't realize that being a parent will change their interests, or worse: are afraid it will.
Then when they turn 40 they start writing articles at Buzzfeed about how glad they are they didn't have children, and never will. (They're not glad).
She obviously did a good bit of fucking in those nine years, so I guess in that sense, they're right, lol...
I'll see myself out.
Future tranny on board more like.
That isn't a very fringe opinion when it comes to leftists. Quite common actually in my experience. I've heard people say similar things in real life. Sometimes I take solace in thinking certain things are just for crazies on the internet to say under conditions of anonymity, but people are crazy enough to think that one is a normal thing to say.
I've met people who bash their own family for having too many kids. It's sick.
Yeah, I've heard this said irl, too, among certain circles...
So that's not just you, lol.
At least there's one sane comment.
He probably got tranny jannied.
I’ve never seen reddit complain about Ethiopians having an average family size of 10 DESPITE crippling poverty.
Reddit is anti-white racist.
You knew they would be normal white kids based solely on reddit's reactions.
They'd be praising her if the 10 kids came from 7 different baby daddies (most of them black) and was in search of a cuck to pay for it.
Two factors make me think same father for all the kids:
They look very similar to each other
The amount of REEEing from redditors, if she was using and throwing men after she got pregnant, there wouldn't be this level of cope
Yup. According to these degenerates she should have had 10 different kids from 10 different men and abused the family court system to extort a living out of them. Living life without exploiting someone else is a foreign concept to these freaks.
Here's an archive.
No problem.
And, for me, archives are more about, well, archiving, than denying clicks. Reddit threads can get deleted (as can anything else), it's nice to have a backup.
As to how to do it, it's pretty easy. Just go to archive.is, copy/paste the URL in, wait for it to archive, and then you're good to go.
Just go to archive.is and copy/paste the URL into the red box and hit save.
She has to have like 8 children because of all the tranny faggot stuff. Chances of all 8 being tranny or fags would be impossible..... right???
The odds are pretty good as long as they're not being groomed, which is unlikely considering she had all her children with the guy she married.
Anti-natalist sentiments stem from a negligent ability to think in systems. Developed nations and non-poor (not beneath working and lower middle class) socioeconomic classes have sub-replacement fertility rates, so going after these families is scapegoating.
Developed nations have a nasty habit of allowing innovation and efficiency gains to be canceled out by parasitic behavior across the SES spectrum. It is possible to have the 22 y/o single-earner working class household by systematically analyzing and correcting policy changes taken place over the past century. Snarky comments about the cost of 8 kids are taking the status quo for granted.
Urban proles suck.
I like the constant jump between "this is so much money! she must be so rich and I hate her!" and the "everyone from these types of families hates children because they all had to help raise their younger siblings."
Its almost like one of those is solved by the other, a problem we figured out probably before civilization existed. And the latter issue I'm sure is totally only because of their home life, and not because they share the depression filled mindrot to be friends with someone who posts like that.
Don't worry cupcake, you won't even have a chance to have this.
Men are walking away from marriage.
You are fucking welcome.
I see they locked the thread, but I still think an archive is best. No telling if and when they might nuke it for wrong think.
https://archive.is/5hSrR
Redditors are "content-married".
Here, have the archive
https://archive.ph/ORp5c
These same people offer no criticism of rampant single motherhood, which is the leading predictor for anti-social behavior, because it’s an overwhelmingly black phenomenon.
They’re all just inversionists. Literally satanic.
That's actually a big part of why I became okay with judging these degenerates. I was fine with a live and let live attitude in my naive lolbertarian days. Then I realized that they'll never give up that privilege themselves, so why should I be the retard that holds myself to standards that my opponent will never observe?
I saw someone, self identifying FTM manlet, on Twitter trying to make a joke about the new X logo by saying Elon has a lot of Xs in his life, so suddenly "slut shaming" is back on the menu because "no bad tactics, only targets".
Always has been.
That's a good metric. Deifying big city degeneracy fucked everything up.