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Salon admits there's Ukrainian Nazis "but it's a long story" (twitter.com)
posted 4 years ago by YesMovement 4 years ago by YesMovement +89 / -0
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– Galean 33 points 4 years ago +33 / -0

"It is nuanced"

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– cccpneveragain 30 points 4 years ago +30 / -0

See those are Ukranian Nazis, they fight on the "correct" side, so they aren't real Nazis.

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– Erithal 23 points 4 years ago +23 / -0

Yep.

No bad tactics, only bad targets--

... for tactics up to and including neo-Nazism.

Anything is excusable as long as it's practiced against the right enemy, because the narrative is about power and control, not morality.

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– GiveThemNothing 23 points 4 years ago +23 / -0

Also, the Ukrainian Nazis are not media plants.

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– NigaroFagetsu-kun 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Debatable

https://redpilledreality.com/the-dirty-money-foreign-forces-behind-the-zionist-frauds-called-the-azov-battalion/

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– SupremeReader 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

It's "called battalion" only by clueless Westerners. It's a regiment.

armed by "Israel"

This is an Ukrainian rifle (made in Ukraine, by the Interior Ministry's very own RPC Fort). Stopped reading right there - the header image caption. Not even liars, just worthless idiots. Probably like you.

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– NigaroFagetsu-kun 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

Until 2014 it was called a battalion. Presumably the Ukrainian military uses the regimental naming system, so when it was incorporated as a regular military unit it became a "regiment." It's also called the azov detachment despite having a strength of 1500 fighters, so obviously size is not a factor in the name change; not that "regiment" is really a great description of size in-and-of-itself, but whatever, the fact that the author used the name they've gone by for almost a decade shouldn't be a surprise.

The rifle is a variant of the Tavor TAR-21, designed and initially manufactured by the Israeli defense contractor IWI. This is the 5.45x39 variant produced by RPC Fort under license from IWI who designed it. The design of the rifle is covered by Israeli export control laws, meaning that the Israeli government okayed the plan as they often do in times of foreign civil unrest.

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– SupremeReader 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Not until 2014 but in 2014. For about 4 months when it was a police battalion.

It is not and never was anything military (nor "regular military"), always only just the Interior Ministry.

The gun was intended for the 4th Regiment, but spred all across the National Guard and beyond.

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– NigaroFagetsu-kun 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Regardless of which ministry they fall under, it's a pedantic point.

The Israeli government allowed the licened manufacture to continue knowing that the Ukrainian government had allowed azov to have them. Israel would have had legal authority to force iwi to pull the licensing agreement once they were being provided to azov, but they didn't.

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– SupremeReader 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Israel historically was the only country to support Rhodesia and the Apartheid era South Africa (including a nuclear weapons program in the latter case), or the actual Right Wing Death Squads in Lebanon. It's nothing new or surprising they at least wouldn't care about it politically, it's only consistent to their character.

Anyway, the Azov guys have NATO weapons (and actually NATO, not Made in Ukraine) aplenty, too. It's not a big deal despite any hysterical TIME or The New York Times articles about it. "Even" the Azov movement connected informal paramilitaries like the Freikorps are seen having the Javelins or whatever. If they're putting them to good use in overkilling Russian paratroopers in their silly aluminium BMDs and the Chechens in the Tigrs, no one cares about American lefties having a fit.

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– NigaroFagetsu-kun 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Yeah, I've been seeing footage of Ukrainian-Snuffy, and he's wearing better kit than I ever had. The gear I'm seeing them with is the stuff the US government only issues to tier 1 SOF. Which raises a whole seperate set of questions.

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– BlueDrache 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

'eh ... It's an interesting article none-the-less but I wouldn't call it "news" by any stretch and it really does shit on the AB.

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– SupremeReader 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

AR (R is for regiment)

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– WhitePhoenix 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

Will Salon also address the 6 gorillion in the room?

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– johnmic07 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

nazi's are just a word for anyone the left doesn't like. So a literal nazi who is helping the left in some way isn't a nazi.

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– nuggetpatrol 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

Seems like context disappears and reappears whenever it's convenient for "the message"

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– NigaroFagetsu-kun 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

https://redpilledreality.com/the-dirty-money-foreign-forces-behind-the-zionist-frauds-called-the-azov-battalion/

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– SupremeReader 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Such reality (dot com) they don't even know the unit's size and name.

That the dudes are down with the Jews isn't some sort of top secret or a novel idea, after all even their commander in chief is one.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

What do you think Azov's long term goal is? It seems strange to cozy up to the US. The US hates (gentile) nationalists. Our Congress critters were trying to defund them just a couple of years ago.

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– SupremeReader 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Ukraine from the Azov Sea to the Barents Sea.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Seriously? That seems like a tall order.

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– SupremeReader 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Actually mostly a joke.

The associated/extended Azov movement (with some 20,000 activists) includes even Russia-Russian ultranationalists (of the Pagan-NS variety) like the Russian Insurgent Army formed from the immigrant Wotanjugend members. So they're fine with Russia existing.

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– SupremeReader 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Also, a pretty good G*rman reportage about the Azov movement: https://youtube.com/watch?v=meWM4lChqy4

The title would trigger Imp, and saying "battalion" is just almost unavoidable for the Westerners I guess.

Azov in Space at 2 min, the Liftwaffe at the end.

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– pertivi 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

You really thought that NGOs and letter agencies only sponsor fake leftists?

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– superspathi 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Can't be true because the nazis of conpro support Putin and think Ukraine is gay and jewish.

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– alucard13mmfmj 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Its always about "but..." or "with exceptions" with these assholes. The whole double standard thing they got going on.

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

This is pretty much the same thing on the other side. Where they want me to completely condemn Ukraine and stand with Russia because they have some retarded neonazis their ranks.

It is all so very tiresome.

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– BulbasaurusThe7th 27 points 4 years ago +27 / -0

Nobody wants YOU to do anything. You are not the protagonist of the world.

Besides, nobody ever said you need to support Russia, man. Nobody. But it's pretty hilarious to see you accuse others of being Nazis, but then you pretend you don't see when someone are actually being Nazis.

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– Kaarous 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

Nobody wants YOU to do anything.

I want him to stop posting here, does that count?

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– deleted 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0
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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

ban me or block me. You can also always leave.

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– Kaarous 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

You forgot option 3. Downvote you and make sure everyone knows what a gigantic sack of shit you are.

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0
  1. Downvote you

Thanks, but like I said, nobody cares about internet epeen, only the stormcucks. Downvote away. I literally don't care. If I did, I would have made my opinions aligned with the current outrage subject thing in this forum and would have joined the NPC ranks you belong.

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– Kaarous 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

nobody cares about internet epeen

Says the guy who spams his Youtube channel at every opportunity.

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I think you are confused between publishing one's video over internet epeen measuring context on upvote/downvote. Would you like some help in figuring this out?

Plus, when was the last time I share a video here?

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I think you are confused between publishing one's video over internet epeen measuring context on upvote/downvote. Would you like some help in figuring this out?

Plus, when was the last time I share a video here?

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– RealDrJester 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Care to show me where I pretended that?

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Can you clean up your head a little? It is full of degeneracy here. I know, rent free, but still I deserve some good and clean accommodations.

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Oh, what is that skeleton over there?

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– onetruephilosoraptor 22 points 4 years ago +22 / -0

No one here wants you to support anyone.

I don't support Russia or Ukraine or the globalists.

It is possible to have the stance that all the major players in this conflict are corrupt pieces of shit, which they are.

Use your brain and stop repeating only the Russia bad talking points that the MSM pushes while ignoring Ukrainian or globalist atrocities which do exist.

Ukraine is a corrupt hellhole of a country that exists to make money for globalists and them being invaded by Russia doesn't change that fact at all.

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Imagine believing the Russians are not globalist. Stop pushing Russian msm talking points while ignoring globalist Russian atrocities.

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– current_horror 19 points 4 years ago +19 / -0

Imagine believing the Russians are not globalist

The entire NWO is psychotically anti-Russia because Russia is trying to blow up their global hegemony, and your strategy is to label Russia “the real globalist”.

Of all your inversions, this one might be the dumbest.

On the bright side, you are aggressively confirming the tribe’s pathological hatred of Russia.

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– cartoonericroberts 14 points 4 years ago +14 / -0

I don't see Russians flooding themselves and client states with the third world. If Russia was actually globalists the west would have no problem with them.

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

We see Russia flooding neighbouring countries with third worlders,(probably second worlders), forgot what Russia did to Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine and other places?

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– cartoonericroberts 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

specific example? and don't be like 'muh chechens" unless the "muh chechens" are actually permanently settling.

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

What are Russians? What are they doing in Ukraine right now, in Georgia, Moldova, Syria et al?

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– cartoonericroberts 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

uh, not settling. And you are comparing Ukraine to Syria where Russia is allied with the current regime? How are those comparable except that globohomo are opposed to both?

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– NigaroFagetsu-kun 8 points 4 years ago +8 / -0

Syria is about the United States stopping a Russian backed oil pipeline at the behest of Israel (who proposed a competing pipeline that also passes through syria). We tried to depose Assad and install a zionist puppet regime.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130923062607/https://www.passionforliberty.com/2013/09/14/the-destabilization-of-syria-who-gains/

https://web.archive.org/web/20220301054411/https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/rfk-jr-why-arabs-dont-trust-america-213601/

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– Cyberguy64 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Oooh! I'm gonna have to remember that one.

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– Erithal 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

I haven't seen this particular false dichotomy being pushed.

I've seen people who are sympathetic to Russia because they're mounting regional resistance to Western/Globalist expansion. I've seen people voice concerns that Ukraine is too corrupt to be worth the struggle bringing them into NATO would provoke. I've seen people try to smear anyone with Russian sympathies as FSB shills, or supporters of the Chechen Islamic volunteer brigade.

I think there's a lot of room for all combatants to be in the wrong here, and more than enough propaganda to deepen the moral fog when you try to judge the issue.

I know you've been wading hip-deep in flamewars on this one, so where did you see a demand for you to have that kind of black or white thinking on the subject?

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

You should see my post history, it will be easier. They tried to smear Ukraine and attempting to make me show support for russia because of Azov.

The excuses are that they represent such a large amount of Ukrainians, to many other things.

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– Erithal 14 points 4 years ago +14 / -0

I'm looking through your post history.

It's not easy to see context through the flames-- how far back should I be looking? 90%+ of your last three pages or so of post history have been abbreviated replies or demands for an evidentiary standard you'd need to violate your security clearance to provide, RE: the Russian bioweapons claim.

I don't see any of your replies to demanding you support Russia because Azov battalion. I admit that your vociferous opposition to 'stormcuckery' probably provoked such rhetoric at some point. Something along the lines of challenging your moral fiber because now that there's actual neo-nazis, you support their side in the form of Azov Battalion/Ukraine?

How far back should I slog for context?

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– current_horror 15 points 4 years ago +15 / -0

Context on jester? Don’t bother. He’s larping as a member of mossad’s online troll division for people who are too stupid and ugly to meaningfully serve the cause.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Maybe they purposefully trained him wrong as a joke.

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

He’s larping as a member of mossad’s online troll division

Its true, I get a gold plated mercedes every time I show on Current_horror thoughts.

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

you'd need to violate your security clearance to provide

Evidence that russia is telling the truth. all the evidence they provided was nmothing.

But here are some. Just wet your whistle.

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142B5bkqpA/x/c/4OUhw34xArp?d=50

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142B5bkZhz/x/c/4OUhvtnIf4v?d=50

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142B5bkZhz/x/c/4OUhvyOICv2?d=50

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142B5gIz4O/x/c/4OUhw33oERr?d=50

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142Arb8eht/x/c/4OUhcuzoUhL?d=50

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142Arb8eht/x/c/4OUhcuznwT0?d=50

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142AwNUQKt/x/c/4OUhcqR60oS?d=50

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142AwFXeh1/x/c/4OUhJUGn010?d=50

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142Ara0Fv6/novaya-gazeta--military-censorsh/c/

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142Arb8eht/x/c/4OUhJBUztxr

and the newest one

https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142BF2Ssc7/x/c/4OVx3aDslhm?d=50

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Prove it.

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– Erithal 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Still a lot of flames there, but you've selected some contexts that I can parse-- so thanks. I was having no luck sorting through your history.

Evidence that russia is telling the truth. all the evidence they provided was nmothing.

You seem to be fuming about this an awful lot. Understandably, as it's the latest talking point. W/E, I guess I'll bite-- what would constitute evidence that Russia-- a country you believe (per the above links) 1) is evil and 2) often lies-- is telling the truth in the particular case of Ukrainian bio labs? What are the claims you believe Russia has made about these labs? What would you accept as evidence of Russia being truthful about these claims, given their unreliability as a source?

I ask because I get the feeling you're setting people up by asking them to produce a motherfucking unicorn, and telling them 'told you so' when they don't deliver. I don't understand your motives, let alone the point-- what are you after, exactly?

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– RealDrJester 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0
  1. Genetic evidence of bioweapon research(DNA breakup or anything similar to what we had for the Wuhan virus)

  2. material samples of those pathogens

  3. probably some actual scientist involved on it(even then I would take with a grain of salt, as they can be coerced to say anything)

  4. Evidence of the pigeons, insects and other avenues to spread the bioweapon they claimed.

  5. I would want proper paperwork with direct citation of bioweapon research, and probably direct orders and control of CDC into it. But this could also be faked, but it would still drive the point across and I would begin to question the CDC side more.

  6. KIA went from "trust, but verify" to "trust, verify never". I held the people here with a higher standard than I held someone from twitter guzzling CNN propaganda. I have to admit, I was very disappointed, because it made me wrong when I defended KiA users in general that they were more immune to fake news.

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– Erithal 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Pardon the necroposting, but I had to give this list some thought.

1,2, and 4: how do you verify evidence like this from a country you expect to lie and fabricate? There's no way to certify a chain of custody for this stuff from the Russian capture in a Ukrainian lab. There will always be room for reasonable doubts, since the sites are in Russian control, and the evidence could have been planted.

3: Would probably be a Ukrainian scientist who is a POW. So this would violate the Geneva conventions, and (as you point out) be a coerced confession.

5: This is the only reasonable expectation for evidence. A document trail of western funding from western sources. The fact that you aren't focused on this, when there's paperwork for NIH funding of gain-of-function research at the Wuhan institute of virology is frustratingly naïve. Analogous documents will exist if the Russian allegation is true. I predict we won't have access to them until well after the Ukraine incident is in the memory hole. I would bet that this information is also classified.

6: A good thesis about higher standards that shouldn't be part of the list, even though I agree with it as a general statement.

1-5, That's the evidence you'd accept. Where is the evidence a KIA poster could reasonably offer to verify 1-5?

Classified or in Russian hands.

You're asking for a level of evidential certainty that can't be reached and getting upset when people don't reach it.

This strikes me as a bad faith.

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– SupremeReader 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

They used Nazis instead of Germans because Germans were the largest ethnic group in America.

The Japanese were few and in camps, so it was just Japs and Nips no problem.

A German equivalent would be Germs.

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– WhoIsThatMaskedMan 14 points 4 years ago +14 / -0

American ethnic slurs for Germans at the time included kraut and Jerry. It was generally understood that this applied to literal Germans, not Americans of German descent.

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– SupremeReader 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

Jerry was British. They also called themselves Tommies (thus the Tommygun).

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– NigaroFagetsu-kun 13 points 4 years ago +13 / -0

No. The Thompson submachine gun was invented in WW1 and named after General Thompson. Initially it was marketed to civilians as the Annihilator, but renamed for marketing purposes. It has nothing to do with the British in WW2, who used the Sten sub machine gun.

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– CatoTheElder 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

How to tell SupremeReader is making shit up: He's typing.

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– SupremeReader 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-wubLFpHhQ0

Now awaiting your apology.

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– RealDrJester 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

This video is quite nice, and very high quality too.

Thanks for sharing it.

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– SupremeReader 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

The Brits bought the early model (the 1921, later the 1928 too) which they used in combat before any American soldiers ever did. This is also how Churchill ended up wielding one in a famous photo from 1940.

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– TakenusernameA 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

They still put Germans and Italians in camps anyway, but both of those groups are white so American war crimes against them dont get mentioned.

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– SupremeReader 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

German crimes against disarmed Italians were horrifying. On one of the Greek small islands they did them a Katyn style and size massacre. In Poland they were starving them to death in camps just like they the Soviet POWs earlier in the war, and they were shooting them here too, especially the officers. It's not being talked about outside Italy, albeit there was an international movie about the island shootings. They also murdered entire Italian villages Eastern Front style. (A few movies too, mostly Italian except one by Spike Lee. I liked The Man Who Will Come the most personally.) Most people in America know nothing about it, did you?

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Was never a part of the Ukrainian military at all, neither "formal" nor informal. The National Guard are the renamed Internal Troops (just like in Russia).

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They were never involved in bombing because they never had any aircraft (not even helicopters of armed drones). And there was also very little bombing in the entire war up until 2 weeks ago.

The guys took Mariupol in 2014 with even zero artillery support. None.

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Huh? You can see them taking Mariupol (in 1 day) here, they didn't have anything larger than 23 mm (didn't even have their armor yet, actually didn't even have proper uniforms at the time, not to even mention aircraft): https://youtube.com/watch?v=fxjV0y8tTG4

You can watch any videos featuring Azov until recently and you won't find anything "bombing", or even bombardment other than when the Seps hit the city with the Grads/Uragans few months later (the famous dashcam video of the civs driving right through a barrage: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v1eJ1lgFCQw). There were mortars and such at work at the Shirokino frontline later and that's about it.

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– SupremeReader 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

You're very excited about something completely imaginary but I don't know what is even your problem, and I don't think even you know as you're just very confused. There was a heavy weapons ceasefire at their (Mariupol) front since September 2014. When the Seps rocketed the city in Jan 2015 it was an unique instance. And to this day they never had any manned aircraft.

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