I’d say Westworld and Stranger Things comes to mind because I remember reading in season three the original plan was for that man and woman at the ice cream place to get together but they decided to make her gay for no reason. In a show that’s an homage to the 80s a reformed jock with a nerdy girl is a perfect couple.
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I'd say The Walking Dead. At the beginning it was mostly apolitical and there was little gender politics. The more it went on the more women outnumbered men and were leading more survivor camps and dominated the men
Edit- The Mandalorian is a good example as well. What started as a lone wanderer becoming a father, became a female reclaiming the throne.
I gave it up when they kept running into niggers not only surviving, but leading the poor white people to safetly. That's more unbelievable than the fact they were still finding edible food in stores and vehicles with gasoline in them years later
Season 1 was the best season, but I still rolled my eyes at that part where the women are complaining about "why even after the world ends the women still have to do all the work" and how they "miss their vibrators", and then they get interrupted by a stereotypical misogynistic abusive husband. I also couldn't stand Michonne's character when they introduced her.
spoiler alert Interestingly, Rick had a major romance with Andrea in the comics; but in the tv show, the writers killed off Andrea early and then changed Rick's romance to be an interracial one.
Interracial relationships are a big theme in 'The Walking Dead', that's because the show targeted a certain demographic that was ripe for indoctrination.
At one point, I think The Walking Dead was famous for having literally no relationships that were not either gay or interracial.
The showrunner said that would be a priority. Crazy thing is that in a post apocalyptic world with a reduced population an interracial couple here or there wouldn’t draw notice but he messed that up due to being on with the message
I read the comics and decided to stop watching the show and spinoff once the comics ended. If you have time check them out
I read them for a bit. I think I tried to catch up before the show came on. So it was awhile ago
I read the comics up to a point when I said "Hey, this has gone to shit."
By sheer coincidence? The TV show went to shit at roughly the same time. There were enough differences, but those story arcs ended it for me.
I don't know about that one. Andrea was Insufferable from the first moment she was on screen. Rick should have killed her the first time she girlbossed to him.
I know there's the stuff with her sister and her pulling the gun on Rick. I don't know how much of that you want to call girl boss. I don't remember much else she did in season 1. So maybe she was more girl bossy than I recall. In season 2 she asks Rick for shooting lessons, and Shane gives her shooting lessons. Her asking for help is not girl boss behavior.
The Boys. The in universe tagline for season 2 was literally "Girls get it done" and the finale involves 3 superheroines [feebly] kicking Stormfront on the ground. Up until this point the only member of The Boys that had powers was The Female despite them all having powers in the comic.
Pedophiles like to says The Boys is a show right wingers don't know is laughing at them. The comic is about the military industrial complex, which is a pedophile lefty thing, fucking everything thing up
Even if you ignore the comics, the show began as a satire of celebrity worship and media manipulation. They had to change into antiMAGA snark before leftist developed some self-awareness
Bingo. It went gay FAST. Was it season two we got to see a guy walking inside another dudes pee hole?
I think so. That was basically the point at which I stopped watching it.
While I watched the "girls get it done" season out of a macabre sense of disbelief, I actually really appreciated the homage they did to the stupid "Girls rool" Avengers End Game scene, that was pretty good satire which snuck in somehow.
I have some of the comics and TPBs. Based on what I’ve heard I’ll stick to the comics
Stranger Things was woke the whole time. Watch the post show interview with the creators. Everything about them just screams pedophile.
I'd bet a month's pay that those faggots raped Finn Wolfhardt.
Thank goodness I didn’t watch. At the very beginning I liked it because it reminded me of me and my friends doing nerdy things as kids. I’m better off just watching some 80s show and not some modern “reimagining” of the 80s
To this day, the only things I know about Stranger Things is that the main character was called 'Eleven' and played by a girl who initially looked like a boy then proceeded to age at lightning speed to the point she now looks in her mid 30s, and how one of the side characters became the basis for a real-world Amerimutt meme on account of how much of a creatura he looked.
Six boosters will do that to ya.
Arcane - the first season was pretty woke, not going to lie. however it's still respected all the characters and every motivation made sense. the second season rounded up all the male characters to shove them in a corner of irrelevance, while the female characters started to winge and have emotions that didn't make sense.
Game of Thrones - this one was a slow burn, definitely did not start to turn until after season 4. however the place it landed was nothing but woman stronk, men simp.
Barbarens - this was a Netflix show about Romans versus the northern barbarians, with the default language in Roman Latin. the first season was excellent, and then the second season immediately introduced gay barbarians.
honorable mention goes to Netflix's Masters of the Universe, which couldn't even wait for the second season and instead slipped to woke on the second episode.
SIT DOWN UNCLE I WAS RAPED WHICH MADE ME A BADASS!
Imagine the kind of brain-rot that makes someone think being raped is empowering because it fills you with resentment and victimhood.
Yea, it's the kind of attitude which might develop in the mind of someone who was raped, and is trying to find a way to explain that there was some sort of silver lining.
Society used to get such people help, but now they apparently give them Netflix deals.
GOT started prior to the crazy woke era and season one did a good adaptation of book 1. I am pretty sure girl power played into them having Arya kill the night king and not even having Jon fight him was ridiculous. I think they caved to the whining about the rape scene (even though he was an evil character and it was based on medieval times were a man having his way with a new bride regardless was common) although that wasn’t in the book.
Is Arcane based on a Manga?
Arcane is based on League of Legends, with its schizophrenic and constantly rewritten lore and characters. the show itself was an original story.
Oh ok.
Do you mean Ramsey and Sansa? It was in the book but his bride was a different character who was cut from the show (well, was a background character S1). Plus, it was even worse in the books with the dogs.
In the book they had an imposter they used to pretend to be Sansa. I guess you could say he digitally raped her but it’s been a while since I read it. Ramsay in the book didn’t get killed with the dogs. I guess that comes in book 6 if he ever writes it. Wasn’t exactly like the books but a lot of women complained about it but Ramsey was an evil character
If I remember correctly it's a fake Arya in the books
Yes! Fake Arya
I was meaning what Ramsay makes her do with his dogs. I thought that was the wedding night, but looking back on the chapter I may have gotten it mixed up and it was just mentioned in passing. Still, in the book he makes Theon 'warm her up'.
Still, annoys me that they gave that role to Sansa. Petyr betroths the object of his lust/affection to someone with Ramsay's reputation is the most (well, one of) boneheaded decisions the show writers came up with.
The German show about Arminius was great first season, then they had a sub saharan woman play a carthaginian who went to gaul to fight romans 150 years after Carthage was annihilated.
Fucking weak. Im still pissed about the drastic change. Accurate historical action/drama ruined by non-historical libshit
I'm just glad we got to see correctly spoken classical Latin on screen for basically the first time. That guy who tells the village to pay more taxes was the perfect portrayal of the snide sneering superiority of Roman diplomacy.
Right as they started ignoring/running out of book material.
You think we will get Winds of Winter?
I've given up hope tbh.
I think he will die and his publisher will find someone to finish them
There's definitely somebody out there salivating at the idea of selling a "fixed and improved" ending to the series after the TV show blew up so spectacularly.
True and people will but it
Castlevania. Especially the new series.
That’s the one where they race swapped a French person in 1800s?
Came here to say this. I didn't even bother watching season 2 but somehow they managed to make Alucard gay with 2 other vampires or some dumb ass shit.
Designated Survivor is about the perfect poster child for a show that started strong in Season 1, but went completely off the rails in later seasons.
Forgot about that one. Interesting premise but as I was watching I remember thinking if the ones behind the explosion are right wing extremists I’m done with this show.
They did the same thing with Jericho. It was the evil right wingers in the end
I give that one a pass. Even as retarded as the left is, even they wouldn't think that the path to power for them is to set off nukes in the cities containing the vast majority of their supporters and the vast minority of their opponents.
Thank you. I had that show on a list to watch but I’ll remove it. The Rookie did something similar with white supremacists
Yes, that is standard trope for Hollywood, white "supremacists" or the other bogyman they use, anti government terrorists, which is left over received knowledge gestalt from the 1990s.
You knew that show was going to be Democrat nonsense about 5 minutes into it.
I don't know about other seasons but reboots of existing franchises seem to suck hard USUALLY.
Justified: stellar
Justified primeval: lame
Daredevil Netflix: 10/10
Daredevil Disney: 4/10, and woke, and gay, and Muslim, just all around shit
Dexter: 10/10
Dexter new blood: 8/10
Dexter Original Sin: 10/10, as good as the original
I agree, as long as every single copy of season 6 and season 8 in existence are collected and fired into the sun.
Could say the same for GOT seasons 7 and 8.
Justified:Primeval was okay. It definitely felt different from the original Justified. I thought Raylan's love interest was a step down from the level he was getting in the original.
Wasn't it a fat black chick? He was with gorgeous white women in the first show, so yeah step down would be an understatement
It was a chunky black woman. The actress is named Aunjanue Ellis-Taylor, if you wanna look her up.
I would suggest Cobra Kai.
I watched the first two seasons, and most of the third. Starting on the second season, they introduce this super strong girl who joins the Cobra Kai dojo, with no reasonable explanation for how she so effortlessly overpowers men. Nearly every scene with her made me roll my eyes.
I like Cobra Kai but it does pander to the female demographic.
The Last of Us was woke from the start with the nig daughter and huge faggot episode, but I was still impressed with the rest of it. That's what makes me so damn mad at it. Most woke faggot shit is an unrecoverable mess from the start, but TLOU showcased it had the ability to be something good.
I think the father/daughter relationship touched a lot of men on an emotional level. And the hospital rage speaks to men on a primal level. What dude doesn't picture himself as a one man machine, just asserting his will?
I was actually going to play the game but learning she is gay made me turn it in. I’ve heard similar things to what you said. Didnt the the showrunner say he added the gay episode on purpose? I heard it’s not in the game and no surprise about race swap
Those no gay stuff in TLOU game. The gay stuff in the game is a dude having a Playgirl, and Ellie in a DLC.
Ok so I’ll look up the game on Steam. So him having a playgirl turned into a whole episode of two men in love? Typical Hollywood
Remember: No DLCs. The true original version is the one that won it fame and success, all the DLCs and post-release "extras" and bonus patches and content updates and the sequel, all those were then burning the fame and success they got in order to spread The Message.
But don't give the guy money. Wait for the Summer Sale, at the least.
Will do
Prior to the woke era, there was the Human Target. A great action adventure show in line with burn notice and the old '80s action shows. First season was great, then the second season they had to introduce a bunch of female characters and soap opera style drama and make the crew owned by a rich woman who was all about dominating the men. Show didn't make it to a third season because of it. The numbers drop off of watchers from season 1 to season 2 was immense. It was one of those show drop offs where you quickly realize Hollywood doesn't care about the opinions of men especially white men.
Burn Notice was good. I’ll check out Human Target for season 1
I have watched Burn Notice from start to end at least three times. It might honestly be my favorite show of all time.
Bruce Campbell deserves to be way more famous than he is. The guy is pure charisma.
Don’t blame you. Loved it.
Buncha bitchy little girls!
It's on Tubi
Thanks!
I always debate for spy shows like burn notice, whether they get bad as time goes on, or whether they become unwatchable because they run out of "feel good tricks" and become a more realistic kind of swampy mess that kind of stuff actually turns into.
I love burn notice as a series but it definitely trailed off in the last few seasons.
The problem is, the US TV model has pushed just about every single one of its shows to come up with 22 episodes a year, which is just way too many as the rest of the world has already known for a long time.
The head writer can script out what, 6 - 8 episodes a year max? That leaves you with 15 you have to delegate to your B-Team. If you're lucky, you'll get a pro who's a fan of the show to make an episode or two (like Quentin Tarantino's CSI episode) but most of the time, your team will be dealing with C and D-grade film school grads who don't know the slightest thing about your characters whose sole purpose is to churn out glorified, inconsequential filler.
This is part of why Sopranos would have BOMBED had it aired on a traditional TV network rather than HBO. 86 episodes over 9 calendar years and 6 seasons, skipping 2003 and 2005 entirely. A regular TV network would have pushed for 200 episodes in that same amount of time.
Even the best shows on US network TV burn out around the S5 - S7 mark because they're already well over 150 episodes and have fleshed out as much as they can without retconning stuff.
The Last Kingdom made it two and a half seasons before it started wiping its ass with the books. So that's better than one season I guess. It made a point of destroying the Father Beocca subplot in season 3, the one saving grace of season 4 was Hasten becoming a cartoon villain, and season 5 I couldn't make it past episode 2. But they can never take the first two seasons from me!
Didn’t know it was based on a book series. I’ll need to look those up
I'm going to get downvoted for this, I know it, but...
Given all the hatred for it here, and since I used to be a big Trek fan, I decided to watch Star Trek: Lower Decks a couple of years ago to give it a fair assessment.
I agree the first two episodes were total crap.
However, from episode 3 onward...I found myself greatly enjoying it. It helped that in episode 4, Mariner actually started to suffer for her decisions, and that was fun to watch.
I ended up watching all 30 episodes from the first three seasons, since that was all that was up at the time. While I agreed it wasn't as good as TNG, DS9 or even Voyager, I thought it was an entertaining self-parody of Trek that still largely held true to the idea of the show.
But at that point, I had to cut Paramount Plus to save some money, among other measures. I haven't watched an episode since.
And given all I've read here about the woke mind virus that infected the show starting in season 4, it looks like I got out at the absolutely perfect time.
I don’t watch Nutrek but I’ve heard people say good things about Lower Decks. Ever since that TNG episode I’ve wanted a series about the lower ranking people on the ship. I’d prefer live action and more serious. A book series would be nice
I think in real life you would have lower ranks going on all those away missions. On some missions they'd have the three highest ranks off ship. I got why they did it for tv, but it's silly.
Captain Picard was also a diplomat, the Enterprise's 5-year-mission was to "seek out new life and new civilizations", so it made sense for him to go on away missions about first contact or xeno-diplomacy in general. Your diplomat goes with a contingent of guards and aides.
But that's only about half the overall missions that they go on.
Sure but even Riker would mention to Picard, you can't go on away missions as much as you do.
Westworld is definitely filled with Mary Sues. But I don't think woke was the issue.
Also when the show started I wasn’t nearly on the lookout for that sort of thing as I would be now
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Westworld is maybe the most egregious example of a great show becoming an insufferable feminist disaster in season two.
I didn't say it wasn't woke. I said that it had bigger problems than being woke.
The Rookie: It was woke the first season, but in a way you could just laugh at it, after that it got unfun serious woke.
Exactly
This thread is fascinating to me -- given I don't have much time for series and have mostly given up on them m-- basically it looks like any and every show that had any promise goes woke the second season onward (or something akin to that).
I'm a little shocked no one mentioned Altered Carbon? I have not watched it but I remember people talking about how there was a serious drop-off in quality for the second season (can't speak to the truth of it) but it seemed like the consensus among most people was that there was a good first season and then a woke second season?
That being said, it doesn't sound like much has changed since SJWs started luring people in with a decent first season and then flipping the script and going woke on the subsequent seasons.
Altered Carbon season 2 was shit for reasons other than woke, although that didn't help. Season 1 was an adaptation of book 1. Season 2 was an adaptation of both books 2 and 3 while also heavily skewing the story hard towards Falconer who apparently wasn't ever that prominent in the books, and writing Kovac in several ways that just went against what the character was meant to be.
Spoilers for how it ends: while Kovac is by no means suicidal and actively trying to die, he was still fighting against the concept of the Meths back before his original imprisonment in season 1. Season 2 all but ends with him becoming one after dying and having his stack/brain scan/soul digitally recreated by Poe.
Seeing as how his pre-story younger self also now exists because of Jaeger double sleeving him decades ago, it wasn't even needed because a version of him, albeit centuries younger from before meeting Falconer and training to become an Envoy, was alive in his original body/actor.
Yes it would have still meant the version from the books/seasons was dead, but that bittersweet victory fit with the show, and meant Kovac went out with a noble sacrifice.
Being able to bring him back again just cheapens his death, and death in general, even more.
I see. Thanks for the explanation. I never bothered looking too deeply into the reasons -- the echo and noise from passing by communities was just that the second season was nowhere near as good as the first, and some attributing it to going woke. But thanks for explaining how they undercut the story and character.
Don't get me wrong, going woke was definitely part of the reason season 2 wasn't as good, it just wasn't the only reason.
I saw the first season of Altered Carbon but had already cancelled Netflix by the time the second one came around. I heard about it though. Now my general rule of thumb is to not watch or read anything after 2014 unless a trusted source recommends it
I maintain that any show which premiered after 2015, UNLESS a direct continuation of something older (i.e. Dexter New Blood, The Grand Tour) simply isn't worth your time. Even if the first season is decent, the bastards will find a way to ruin it with DEI.
Yea i generally don’t watch anything made after 2014