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Pretty wild. Tenet media owned by lauren chen and husband has been accused by the doj of being russian shills and helping moscow circumvent the sanctions on russia. (twitter.com)
posted 1 year ago by evilplushie 1 year ago by evilplushie +89 / -0
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– Lurker404 59 points 1 year ago +59 / -0

Considering the DOJ's persecution of political opponents their word is worth about as much as that of those 50 former intelligence officials last election.

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– WhitePhoenix 32 points 1 year ago +32 / -0

Yeah, but it's still a good idea to verify to see if they're actually full of shit or not. They're probably full of shit considering I've never, ever seen Lauren ever post anything pro-Russia or anti-Ukraine so I'm suspecting this is deep state shit going after their opponents before the election.

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– deleted 25 points 1 year ago +25 / -0
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– poherf 21 points 1 year ago +21 / -0

If it is real, why hasn’t she been indicted? She was apparently running the company, a very small startup, so she had to have known about it and been in on it.

And if she somehow didn’t know about it, then it kills the narrative that this was a Russian influence op. How could she do paid propaganda for the Russians if she doesn’t even know they’re paying her?

“We’re totally not Russian, we swear, but if you take our money, you have to shill for Putin”

This seems like an obviously phony allegation cooked up to claim Russians are meddling in the election and discredit a few big pro-Trump influencers like Tim Pool at the same time.

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– exarch 20 points 1 year ago +20 / -0

you have to shill for Putin

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if the claim is that criticism of Kamala Harris = “shilling for Putin”

And think how easy it would be for the CIA to open a bank account in Russia and then buy superchats using that money for any content creator they want to shut down.

They can effectively make it illegal to criticize Kamala Harris as a content creator. Literally illegal. I mean, you can’t do it and keep your day job. You have to rely on donations. And the CIA will make sure some of your donations are “””from Russia””” which sets up the chain that puts you in jail.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

And the CIA will make sure some of your donations are “””from Russia””” which sets up the chain that puts you in jail.

There's no law that makes this illegal for American citizens, not that Kentanji Brown-Jackson can't think of any.

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– Gizortnik 39 points 1 year ago +39 / -0

So, speaking of foreign interference in elections, are we going to mention anything about:

  • Qatar's pro-hamas support via Al-Jazerra
  • Fulong Gong's anti-CCP activism via The Post Millennial
  • Pro-CCP funding and infiltration into both Asian communities & Academia, including secret police black sites
  • Somali jihadi group's influence in Minnesota's immigrant populations
  • AIPAC's connections to Israel
  • Saudi Arabia's active funding of radical mosques internationally
  • Canada's Labour party activists flooding the US to support Leftwing movements in the US
  • ShareBlue's funding by XPS as the result of a Ponzi scheme coming from corrupt Ukrainian officials embezzling US weapons funding

Any chance any of this going to hear about any of them?

No?

I didn't think so.

I'm just saying that if we want to have a conversation about foreign interference, we need to talk about ALL of it.

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– ailurus 20 points 1 year ago +20 / -0

You missed the biggest one. US Govt interfering with most elections in most countries in the world for decades. If the Feds want to complain about someone spending some money to try to influence US elections, they should first stop using anything and everything up to and including funding and/or directly participating in literal coups.

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– Mpetey123 10 points 1 year ago +10 / -0

Yeah, didn't we yank Venezuela's elected President off a plane a few weeks ago?

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– ModsAreAIDS 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

Nah. We just stole his plane from him. He wasn't there IIRC.

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– Gizortnik 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

For simplicity sake, I'm just talking about interference into America.

If I wanted to list out American interference in foreign elections, we just won't have the time.

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– WhitePhoenix 17 points 1 year ago +17 / -0

If Trump gets into power we might get that conversation.

If Kamala does, we're fucked.

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– MargarineMongoose 19 points 1 year ago +19 / -0

I think we're fucked regardless. I'm not optimistic that even if Trump takes the white house that he'll have enough power to actually fix anything.

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– SparkMandrill83 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

Yea, nothing is going to change until the people make it change. The rot is just far too entrenched

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– BeefyBelisarius 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

Yeah, we already saw this in his first term, when top republicans like Paul Ryan and John McCancer did everything they could to stop their party's candidate from carrying out his campaign promises. This is why I don't think there will be much cheating this year and it will be mostly on the congressional level.

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– MargarineMongoose 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

John McCancer

Who?

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– BeefyBelisarius 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

The Arizona republican senator who literally got up off his deathbed and flew to DC so that he could use the last of his strength to cast the vote that saved 0bamacare, after he ran for reelection on the promise of repealing it. And then, after seeing to it that we wouldn't get affordable health insurance back, John McCain laid back and let the cancer send him to hell.

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– Gizortnik 11 points 1 year ago +11 / -0

Even with Trump, we'll only get a handful of conversations. To his credit, he did actually hit the CCP. I doubt he'll do anything about AIPAC, Canada, or Saudi Arabia.

If Kamala wins, I suspect TPM & The Fulong Gong will be classified as a terrorist organization.

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– bloodguard 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Trump is still surrounded by the same corrupt uniparty quislings that knifed him back during his first term. He learned nothing and history will most likely repeat itself.

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– misogynegro 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

Don't forget UK and EU officials making brazen demands of us to help them with their censorship, including extradition of our own citizens, and Brazil attacking a major American social media platform.

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– Gizortnik 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

"Last time I checked, the impressment of American citizens was an act of war, britbongs"

I was referring to the most direct "our man in America" level interference, but those count too.

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– Grumman 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0
  • The Independent literally being owned by a former KGB officer.
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– SR388-SAX 25 points 1 year ago +25 / -0

Just listening to Matt Christiansen's stream about it.

Sounds like idiotic fed fishing. He's also disappointed to only be named as "Content creator 6", but happy that he's at least front and center on the picture.

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– dylan 14 points 1 year ago +14 / -0

At this point it really does seem like he’ll never get his hit piece.

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– MargarineMongoose 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

The feds will put out a hit on him before they'll give him his hit piece.

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– SophiesBoyfriend 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0

So now the FBI can find their own informant/ Russian asset and use it to shut down US independent journalists?

Free speech in the US is hanging by a thread.

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– Benevolentdictator 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

Matt must have mixed feelings about this.

He genuinely seemed excited for the OG transition to Tenet media. But his personal viewer numbers on the Tenet platform seems to have really stagnated.

I had already stopped watching his old call-in show when he signed his new contract, but his new show similarly couldn't keep my attention.

I'm not really sure why, as Matt is a good researcher and a consistently fair presenter.

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– SR388-SAX 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

I genuinely don't understand what Matt is getting out of Tenet. I don't think they're paying him much. I hope I'm wrong.

And I preferred the call-in show just because I enjoy Blonde's takes. Their contrast makes for a good team. Frank's appearances are also entertaining.

He's the only alt media person I actually give money to because I think he does good work.

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– Benevolentdictator 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

When he announced the move over to Tenet, he did mention that he felt that it would give him more exposure than their existing shadowbanned channel. And that Tenet's brand would give him access to higher profile guests to interview.

I used to listen to the call-in show back in the Jan 6th era. The problem was that it's a lazy and tired format that depends on audience quality.

Their audience that called in were so spergy. It was all debating theology or esoteric constitutional stuff or circumcision.

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– MargarineMongoose 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I think the aim was to get out of subscriber jail and onto a platform where he could show up in suggested video feeds again, since he's been lamenting that stagnation for years now. Not a bad ploy to try and get more eyeballs on his content, but I kind of doubt it worked.

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– I_Bent_My_Wookiee 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

As I mentioned in superchat, "The Process Is The Punishment" (which for some strange reason, Matt never heard before).

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– Kaarous 23 points 1 year ago +23 / -0

Funny enough I couldn't care less even if it's completely true. They owe us much worse for us installing Yeltsin. Their country barely survived that.

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– Assassin47 17 points 1 year ago +17 / -0

These sanctions laws sound completely unconstitutional anyway. Also sanctions should be considered an act of war, and we technically aren't at war with Russia. How can you restrict what American citizens do with or for a country we aren't at war with? (unless they are literal spies stealing military secrets)

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– Gizortnik 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Well, now wait a minute...

...

yeah, I got nothin'

that's fair

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– Kienan 21 points 1 year ago +21 / -0

It stinks, massively.

If there's any truth to these allegations, it's still being used and astroturfs in a big way.

I've already seen tons of bots spreading this, and Midas Touch or whatever is one of the big pushers. This is the government, working with their media and other organization counterparts to smear critics of the state.

I'm super pissed for Matt Christiansen, too. He just can't seem to catch a fucking break. May have finally received his hit piece, though, so I suppose he's got that going for him.

I don't think Tenet is some massive Russian op, but it's certainly a mess. Weirdly managed, pretty much no interaction between the various parties involved, no cross promotion, not much advertisement. I don't really get the point of Tenet and, as mentioned, it seems Matt got kind of stuck in the middle of a weird situation, without much gain.

EDIT: To expand on how this is being used, it's the usual smear; put out bad sounding half truths (or less), coordinate with friendly media to do literal (but, It's Good When We Do It) misinformation. The game here is, the official allegation sounds like the creators didn't even know that Russians (CIA agents?) may have been in the room with their bosses. Also, sort of a weird thing, where no one was being told to say anything specific...not sure how you push 'pro Russian propaganda' with no communication. Anyway, then they send their media goons to send their bot goons in to lie on their behalf; calling the creators who, even in the worst case scenario, didn't even know anything, traitors and Russian shills.

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– WhitePhoenix 11 points 1 year ago +11 / -0

Mideas touch or whatever is the new TYT/MSNBC. They're the next target for us when it comes to clashing with media because that's what "the normies" listen to now, which is laughable as fuck since its founders are millionaires.

...And I suspect they probably have an INTERESTING EARLY LIFE section...

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– evilplushie [S] 10 points 1 year ago +10 / -0

There's definitely a lot of dem bots pouncing on this

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– Benevolentdictator 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

I don't think Tenet is some massive Russian op, but it's certainly a mess. Weirdly managed, pretty much no interaction between the various parties involved, no cross promotion, not much advertisement. I don't really get the point of Tenet and, as mentioned, it seems Matt got kind of stuck in the middle of a weird situation, without much gain.

I followed a bit of Tenet's launch.

I was cringefully listening to some of Dave Rubin's content at the time pre-Oct 7th when he was simply a DeSantis shill and not as nauseatingly Zionist.

It was strange at launch because Rubin did zero promo for his own Tenet media show and association on his own Twitter.

His "People of the Internet" show was hilariously dropship. He would show up having done no prep and his attractive Gen Z co-host Isabel Brown (engaged to one of his producers) would show him Tiktok clips for him to react to.

Nevertheless, they did 5 episodes a week for months with little viewership before Tenet quietly cut ties with them last May without any announcement.

Rubin didn't seem invested in the new conservative MCN startup at all, phoning it in, keeping it insulated from his own branding and working to rule doing the absolute minimum of his contract obligations.

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– Kienan 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Yeah, it was pretty damn frustrating. The only one seemingly invested in the project in the slightest was Matt...and he isn't even being directly named in most of this...while also small enough to get more impact from the bots and shills shitting up everyone's chats and timelines.

Matt put is all into Tenet, isn't getting paid hundreds of thousands like the bigger names who did jackshit, and now is getting the worst of the abuse, and the least benefit, from this silly Russian Collusion 2.0 hoax.

It's becoming increasingly clear they will never give Matt Christiansen his hitpiece.

Dave Rubin was the lowest of the low effort, but it's not like the others were any better.

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– Benevolentdictator 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

It will be interesting to see what Matt does next if Tenet doesn't survive.

His brand is credibility.

It remains to be seen whether he can succeed without his foil Blonde, who is headed in the other direction extricating herself from YT commentary life as a wife & mother.

I find myself watching less of his content not for any disagreement with his work or opinions, but more that he isn't keeping my interest like he once did.

He mentioned last night that he isn't really interested in branching out from the pure political/culture war stuff, which may be why I'm checking in less.

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– Unknownsailor 19 points 1 year ago +19 / -0

I will pretend to care about this when the DoJ starts to indict Jewish violations of FARA.

I know that will never happen, which means I don't care if Russia does it.

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– Mpetey123 11 points 1 year ago +11 / -0

Yeah it seems a little fishy that AIPAC is printing baseball cards of who you should vote for while shilling for a state we have caught multiple spies from, but I'm supposed to be outraged that there's a chance someone is pro-Russian

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– SendTomBoys 19 points 1 year ago +19 / -0

I'm subbed to tenet media on YouTube and although I mostly only watch Matt Christiansen, scrolling thru their vids I don't think I've ever seen nor heard any pro Russia sentiment.

Sounds about as legit as Trump being a spy

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– Kienan 11 points 1 year ago +11 / -0

Yeah, it's just a smear using (at best) half-truths. If there was Russian involvement, and assuming they weren't CIA assets...the creators themselves didn't even know.

This is an attack on these creators, by the DOJ, not an attack by Russia on the US and Our Democracy.

I wouldn't be shocked if there was some truth involved, as it's easier to work with partial truths than outright lies, but this is likely an attack to discredit the biggest names (Tim Pool and Benny Johnson), not an honest attempt by a foreign power to trick Tim Pool and Benny Johnson into spreading their propaganda. The whole point is to get the word out there, and then use the media (who can lie even easier than the government) to run with those half truths and turn the narrative into these people being outright foreign assets.

The whole concept is laughable.

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– Benevolentdictator 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

The other strange thing about this whole thing is that Tenet media was very fledgling with hardly any reach at this point.

The only thing successful on their network with any views was Tim Pool's Culture War. I don't watch it personally. And it was an existing product pre-Tenet licensed to the platform.

I too followed Tenet for Matt Christiansen.

The problem is that existing fans of the creator get annoyed following the MCN for their preferred content while getting flooded by other unwanted notifications while subbed to the rest of the garbage on the channel.

Matt has a small but loyal and longtime audience. I feel like a lot of them haven't followed him over to Tenet for his new Wednesday solo hour simply because remaining subscribed to Tenet is annoying.

There's also the factor that Matt is a lot drier without Blonde (and also without the eye candy). But Blonde is pretty much completely checked out as a mother of two who is hitting the wall with a well-off husband (though still does 2+ hours a week on their Sunday show, where Matt does all the prep anyhow).

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– JustHereForTheSalmon 18 points 1 year ago +18 / -0

> Government funds scientists to agree with draconic lockdown restrictions

It's science, chud. What, you don't believe in science???

> Russia funds people who talk about anti-Globohomo because the left openly attacks their advertisers and platforms

FOREIGN AGENT! SPY!

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 14 points 1 year ago +14 / -0

I dismiss these allegations at face value because it's the DOJ. It is a little weird that Lauren Chen managed to secure enough funding to bring Tim Pool and other much bigger influencers under her brand though. I mean she's one of the most beautiful women in conservative politics, but that's not good enough justification to give her millions of dollars.

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– Benevolentdictator 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

She's also relatively a new mother.

It did seem odd that she was starting such an ambitious venture with her silent partner husband at this stage in her life.

She does have some based opinions. But her main shtick is that she's distractingly beautiful on camera, which certainly has a time limit and awkwardness with her marriage, child and age.

It's also interesting that Chen owned Tenet but kept her own brand separate and did no streaming work or promotion for the platform itself.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Yeah, I'm looking forward to her explanation. I just don't see her as the type of person to run a media conglomerate so I'll be interested to see how much other people are involved, but I could be wrong.

She is surprisingly based and open-minded given her earlier appearances. Back in 2018 or so she sounded like a cuckservative on JLP's show, but then again she always seemed like one of the more levelheaded political influencers.

I find the wall is a little overstated for some women. Michelle Malkin and Megyn Kelly have had long careers, so I actually think Lauren could trade on her looks for quite some time if she keeps herself healthy.

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– Benevolentdictator 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

I do agree with you re: Chen ageing gracefully.

I suppose I liken it to Rebecca (Blonde), Matt Christiansen's cohost, who herself was a firebrand attractive conservative commentator during Trump 2016, somewhat like a more based Lauren Southern.

But Rebecca ultimately met an older military vet and settled down as a wife & mother to two children in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, retreating to treating YT as a hobby she does 3-6 hours a week.

It gets weirder when your main trope is your attractiveness and then you settle down IRL (which is also obviously the right thing to do).

But it feels wrong to simp for lack of a better term for someone you know is a wife & mother, even if it shouldn't matter IRL either way.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

But it feels wrong to simp for lack of a better term for someone you know is a wife & mother, even if it shouldn't matter IRL either way.

I try to appreciate the genuinely good things in the world, including beauty. There's a fine line, but I don't consider it simping.

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– deleted 14 points 1 year ago +14 / -0
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– Assassin47 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0

it's a sting to close him down and bring disrepute to those who do like him

Possibly even just the disrepute part. It's like the Steele Dossier. "Russia Russia Russia" and election interference is already a talking point the left are obsessed with, and even Disney claimed that Russian trolls were involved in the anti-Disney and "Fandom Menace" crowds. This is lawfare to brand alt-right influencers as Russian trolls in news headlines. It won't go anywhere in court, but there won't be any "vindication" played in the news, and normies will just remember that these people were linked to Russia.

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– Gizortnik 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

Just like the FBI did with Puerto Rican and black activist groups in the 1970s.

Okay, but the Leftists in the 70's were all fucking completely insane.

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– deleted 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0
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– Gizortnik 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

The Puerto Rican Progressive Nationalists also attempted the assassination of the entire US congress under the Truman Administration, by trying to machine gun them in a joint session of congress.

I don't mind Puerto Rico, but the crazy needs to be culled on that Island first.

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– Kienan 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

I mean, removal of the entire congress...at least they had some fresh ideas. Maybe they went about it wrong, sure, but let's hear 'em out. Maybe we can reach some sort of peaceful compromise. No machine guns or violence...but congress has to bow out.

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– evilplushie [S] 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Still are

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Why would Tim Pool, one of those lowlife-for-nothing ex-employees of Vice who likes to skateboard, a man that stood in for Sargon of Akkad on YouTube for a week near the beginning of Gamergate, milquetoast social commentators with thoughts of conspiracy and soft ear to the alt-right be of any threat to the democracy of the US?

Well, he can turn out Trump voters in swing states, so that's a "threat" to "democracy" right there.

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– RoulerBleu 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

One does not simply oppose the Democratic Church of Girldick without being accused of Muh Russia.

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– tensigh 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

Didn't they just discover a CCP spy in Hochul's office?

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– MLGS 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

If they had to spin up another fake Russia conspiracy they could have at least picked a company where people are pro-Trump.

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– Benevolentdictator 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

What company is more pro-Trump than Tenet?

The Blaze? Daily Wire?

Lauren Chen has been flirting with the Groypers lately, specifically criticizing Trump for abandoning his pro-life base.

Pool is an eternal fencesitter.

Rubin is a DeSantis guy.

Johnson seems very partisan in the Posobiec mould.

Lauren Southern is Canadian.

Matt Christiansen is pro-Trump in an agnostic, Federalist sort of way.

Don't know much about Tayler Hansen. His shtick seems to be conservative man-on-the-street gotcha reporting.

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– tensigh 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Wow, another conservative website attacked and investigated by the DOJ, while nothing like that happens to leftist or Democrat supporting sites and media groups.

I mean, what are the odds?

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– censorthisss 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Right before the election lol try being less obvious

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– Justalurker69420 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

"NooooOoOoOoOO don't listen to Russian propaganda, listen to ours!"

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– BrainJuice 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Is it actually owned by Lauren Chen? Or is she just someone else that licensed stuff through them?

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