I know we all get tired of meta posts, but this has been a complaint for ages.
Can we please simplify the rules and then enforce them equally and consistently? As is, we've had pretty sporadic enforcement, where bad stuff - porn, clearly bad faith trolling, and pedophilia advocation, to name a few recent standouts - have stayed up for around a week. Meanwhile, some much less offensive stuff, from established and active members, sometimes gets taken down immediately, which just stifles discussion. (And, no, I was not moderated, this isn't me bitching about something done to me.)
This isn't Reddit; we don't need these rules. We can simplify this all down to 'no porn, no advocating illegal activity, and if you're a handshake you don't have human rights.'
KiA2 happened because Antonio believed the will of the users on OG KiA, expressed through a vote, was being usurped by the mods. As such, I think this forum in particular should be open to voting on matters like the ones discussed in OP. This forum shouldn’t be run like a subreddit.
Let’s have a vote.
People have been bitching about how many unnecessary rules we've had since the very beginning, and the mods don't listen.
Pretty sad. As you say, the offshoot from KiA happened due to mod maleficence, and then the move over here happened because Reddit was forcing more bullshit on us. But then we just got stuck with a bunch of Reddit-tier nonsense regardless. Very frustrating.
There's only one janny. Unclear why he chooses to spend his time doing this.
To undermine the community of course. There's a reason he constantly targets good faith users but leaves obvious spam and glowie shit up for days on end.
And actual porn and pedophilia...but I guess you already said glowie.
Long ago I asked Dom why the hell he's such a faggot enforcing reddit-era rules, and his excuse was something along the lines of "I'm protecting the site owners". I reminded him that Consume Product exists, so he's either retarded or lying.
or both
I was both being generous, as well as going back to the formation of this sub. We had multiple mods for a bit, I believe. But, yeah, fair enough; currently any mod complaints fall squarely on Dom. He does some things great, to be fair, and it's not like I hate him...but he also both over and under moderates, and I'll call him out on that. He's also not great at listening to complaints, as has been mentioned; we've complained about the retarded rules for years.
I imagine that's because its literally only him and he doesn't seem to treat this as a fiefdom of power. He shows up at random, does a lot of shit at once, and then disappears for long stretches.
Its why he doesn't respond to comments, takes days to respond to reports, and probably doesn't hear any complains between the mass spam that piles up from the guys who normally make these topics so they can edge post.
You're being too generous. Him joining the 41% club would an unqualified positive. The shit that would benefit from his intervention is the shit he takes his sweet ass time on.
They don't enforce them much though. So fuck all the jews and may god destroy Israel
How are mods picked? Do they apply? Are they elected?
Neither. Someone creates a new sub, then rules it forever, unless they step down, I believe.
C can probably assign them being an admin. KIA2 was one of the original subs (one that got a .win domain) that moved over, which is why I imagine he's a mod here.
The power attracts them. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Mods start out as the spawn of single mothers and deadbeats. They then spend their formative years being unloved by their mother and mocked and belittled by their peers due to their total lack of redeeming qualities. As they age, they are drawn to online "relationships" where they can play pretend that they aren't the complete waste of oxygen that everyone knows them to be IRL.
Eventually, the chip on their shoulder from being universally hated combines with their aversion to touching grass, and they seek out power in the only places they can qualify. Since they are terminally online and have no skills that would pay them to be in charge of something, they have to resort to moderating forums. They don't mind doing it for free since their compensation is that they get to have their revenge on the type of people who made fun of them as kids. They get off to banning these people while rubbing their two inch girldick with glee. They then cry themselves to sleep and get up to do it all again the next day.
Edit: tldr - mods aren't picked or elected. They are born and bred for a single useless purpose.
I vote rule 16 to be removed.
I've been doing some noticing lately, and I think discussing certain things I've noticed should be allowed.
How does this apply to groups like Communists or Queers? They identify this way, but it's also an ideological position, which can absolutely be inferior and conspiring.
They're literally trying to ruin video games via orgs like the GDC and SBI, am I allowed to say that?
Communists and queers are ideological groups, which are choices. The rule is about identity groups, which are circumstances of birth. It's pretty obviously a "don't be a collectivist lefty faggot spouting racial idpol to forum slide and degrade board quality" rule.
Yes, but not if you say it like (((this))).
Agreed.
Always a good thing to remind about the mod logs.
Don't come here with human rights stuff, we are not the UN xD
Regarding the rules eh, simpler rules could lead to more power for the moderator in some extent, since at the end they do decide what is going. Not sure about a solution since if this forum would grow in size the will and theme could be easily changed.
There should be a public log of people who make excessive reports
I literally have never seen rule 14 enforced. Rule 2 and Rule 16 are what gets the most people. Rule 2 is particularly egregious, as it is 100% pure reddit tier crap. It should say, "Do not make direct or veiled threats of violence against a person or a group."
Ah yes, the "don't talk about root causes or solutions" pair of rules.
BASED.
Rule 16 is Peddit tier "no bigotry" thinly disguised as something a teensy bit more reasonable. As for rule 2, there's a huge difference between "X deserves Y" and "I'm going to do Y to X", and rule 2 pretends that it's all the same. The guy running this place is an enemy, and that's why he doesn't enforce rule 14. Strictly enforcing rule 14 would be a net positive for the board's quality and it would go against DOM's mission to poison the place from the inside out.
It would be fine if pared down to “Do not make direct threats against a person”, but even that is likely too much.
Rule 4 isn't even spelled correctly in the reports tab!
Feel free to comment, fella.
I’ve found myself accidentally downvoting posts just from pressing a touchscreen to scroll or something before. If i see it I remove it, but just one possible explanation
Anything's possible, but I assume someone was being pissy.
I'm sure that happens but my most downvoted comments are the ones criticizing the way this place is run.
Edit: Again, thanks for proving my point retard (the downvoters, not the guy I'm responding to).
For some reason there's a contingent that downvotes any criticism of this board's shitty moderation. Antonio is the only one who's actually defended it in the comments.
Edit: Thanks for proving my point retard (the downvoter, not the guy I'm responding to).
Doubt you will get a reply. I frequently get one random downvote out of the blue as well.
But I didn't even mention the Jews. ;)
EDIT: "+5 / -1" LOL. Speak of the devil.
I know you are joking, but look at my previous comment now, or the topic I posted on Bald and Broke in Britain. One random downvote. You aren't getting an explanation and neither am I.
I'm not. I've noticed on any Jew-related posts 1-3 downvoted inevitably appear.
Yeah, not sure. Maybe some random loser hates you. Downvotes are kind of cringe.
Got a good idea who downvotes the Jew commentary based on the bot/ troll posters who are super anti Muslim/ Nazi/ Russians/ Chinese/ Christian and super pro Jews/ Israel. You got a down vote for your pointing out posting on the Jews gets a down vote as well.
The downvotes are not just Jew related, I get one random downvote for any post relating to demons, Christ is king, noticing differences between races (even just the differences between the various Europeans/ white people), differences between the sexes, making fun of thots, etc. Basically any post of a "noticing" sort. Not sure why anyone would think a random down vote would do anything other than make us roll our eyes though.
Joos.
LOL
Your test proved the point quite succinctly.
Juice.
Honkies.
crackers
cave beast
a while back, Ihad somebody following me around for like a month, downvoting everything I posted. It was weird.
I'm not even that interesting, lol.
Same thing happened to me back when DrJester was posting under his main account. I got into a debate with him, then I come back the next day and found all of my comments, going back a month or so, all get 1 downvote. Was hilarious.
sad really.
clearly this was some sort of petty revenge, but it's so pathetic...
Yeah, but there's plenty of extra if you criticize the moderation. I wouldn't be surprised if DOM is running alts just to downvote criticism. It's typical troon behavior.
Reddit went to shit because the admins were ideologically toxic. Here if you don't like the moderation you can make your own sub without admins closing it for bullshit reasons.
It's been done already a few times, those complaining just seem to want to be the ones in charge next time, like all revolutionaries want to be.
https://communities.win/c/kotakuinaction5
Edit:
For those wondering where 3 and 4 are, Jester is squatting them.
yup, i rember that, thats why theres a kia 5 thats NOT squated by jester. admins might wanna ban domain squating as it could open up an attack vector in the likes of step 1 aquire bots. step 2 program bots to spam create subs with a bruteforce style methiod (ex aaz inc by one equal aba) step3 enjoy the lockdown ban as needed. might be oversimplfying this a tad but this is long enough as is.
I would amend Rule 1 to delete the ban on manifestos. They're rarely posted here but when one is newsworthy, like the Nashville tranny shooter, the rule is ignored anyway. And the Nashville shooter's discussion was civil. Keeping Rule 2 would mean that people won't be using manifestos to glorify violence or the shooters themselves.
Who gives a shit?
Yes, you can replace most of the rules with "Don't be a retarded sperg". The only other rules besides that one are: 5, 7, 12, 14.
But if you had that rule would be in place people, who would act like retarded spergs would cry "I cannot act retarded and it's not explicitly against the rules. This is eviiiil!!!!!".
You can take the mods out of reddit, but you can't take the reddit out of the mods.
Also all moderators are faggots, no exceptions.
Most of the rules seem reasonable, and it took about 60 seconds to read them. The ones I disagree with, I get where they're coming from.
Is there something about the number 16 you don't like?
How about the fact that it's a thinly disguised "no bigotry" policy that you would see on Peddit?
I said we don't need this many rules. I never mentioned R16...
But since you asked...free speech? We shouldn't have rules against being wrong. I don't believe in "mis/mal/dis-information" being illegal, because I am neither a fed nor a normie.
"Do not attack entire identity groups as inferior or conspiring." Why not? If I want to say any group is inferior or conspiring, why shouldn't I be able to? Again, this isn't Reddit? We don't have admins looking over our shoulders. What if I think white people suck ass, or black people do, or Jews, or Arabs, or whatever? What if I don't like the gays or trans? Why shouldn't I be able to say that?
It's absurd. So, yeah, firstly, I'm not objecting to R16 specifically, but yeah, R16 is a retarded rule. Especially since it's not even effective. "Some Jews are literally evil" for example, does not violate R16. It's all inane.
Its a rule heavily influenced by Antonio's lingering influence from the old KIA2.
He was of the belief that constant Jew posting will drive out anyone else because they are both spergy, drive down the quality of discussion, and prevent other people from wanting to join the community. He and I argued about it a lot, even during that "private" KIA1 summit when KIA2 was forming.
And he wasn't entirely wrong. Most anti-Jew posters are annoying and do nothing but post (((the same jokes))) on every post without adding anything of value other than to say "is Jew, nuff said!!" I never agreed with it being banned and argued against it forever, but that's where the idea came from instead of something about admins and reddit.
Thought it being actually implemented was also heavily inspired by our Boi, Imp, to stop his constant sperging too. So it was never just Jews.
I assume that's also the reason for "THREE: Do not threaten, harass, defame, or bully users." To avoid driving away casuals.
Probably. KIA2 has had a long history of people who fucking hate each other just getting into infinite slapfights across months.
Its also the only rule I've consistently been hit by, as further proof that ones like 16 only apply if you are being a retard screaming about it, as I am of the firm belief that telling someone to kill themselves is my right on the Internet.
Even “many” or “most” Jews (or anyone else) shouldn’t violate rule 16 as written (since it says “entire”) which would make it kind of fangless were it not applied a lot differently. So, it’s either misapplied by personal choice or it’s pointless. Hardly the hallmark of a good rule. And that’s without getting into whether it stifles discussion of objective reality. No sane person would attempt to say that every ethnic (or other identity) group is completely identical. And if there are any differences, it follows that one group might be better at certain things than others. Elaborating on this in any direction is theoretically a violation of Rule 16, but I’m sure that I could build that hypothesis out in some directions and be fine, or others and be banned. Again, the sign of a terrible rule.
Does that help, u/Careless_Ejaculator ?
Well you did say "sane", but that IS the standard liberal foundational belief, isn't it? You can get them to admit that individuals are different, and that some people are better or worse than others. You can even get them to admit that when you gather groups of people together, measure the amount of "goodness" and "badness" among those groups, we can claim that some groups are overall better or worse than others. (say, a Boy Scout pack vs a street gang - though you've already lost the radical left at this point)
But taken as a whole, somehow all nations, races, and other demographics groups level off and are basically equal. "Oh there's bad apples in every bunch..." (except for media approved targets i.e. "nah them Catholic Priests are pedophiles man")
The stormfags hate rule 16 because it pregentd them from speading their extremist ideology to unsuspecting people.
Who cares? If you think it's all stupid then don't agree with it and move on.
But he can't virtue signal against the "stormfags" otherwise! They're everywhere man, they're in the trees, they're in the air ducts!
Because you guys can't be trusted.
meta posts are gay
make your point without sperging out
Point to where I sperged out.
I'll wait.
Point out in the mod logs where people were dinged but not sperging out
Me: "Point to where I sperged out."
You: *Completely changes the topic for no damn reason.*
Ah, you got me.
Are you really so dense that I have to spell it out for you?
Regardless of the actual text, the rules are there to minimize sperg outs.
Can you point out in the mod logs where the rules were misapplied?
My first point still stands, meta posts are gay.
A point I never argued, and fully concede.
If the point is about the quality of the place itself, how is that addressed with anything other than a meta post?
Don't worry guys i already Reported this post for: misinformation. Thanks for breaking rule 12 fucker!
You're literally retarded.
You can't report this comment for falsehoods.
I wish you weren't retarded, and could live as a functioning human being, but here we are.
The falsehood report is a clusterfuck at the best of times because there have been blatant falsehoods posted but the argument Dom put forward to keep the post was basically: "the person is retarded and believes it".
I'm paraphrasing there but it sums up the message, akin to permitting a schizophrenic agency because their hallucinations appear to be real to them.
It then gets worse when trolls play that card "sincerely".
Difference between disinformation and misinformation.
cool because i won't, because i never actually reported this.
Cool... because i didnn't report it faggot. why would i waste the mods time reporting something that isn't even breaking the rules! you fucking idiot.
Why would you be proud of that?
You’re the incarnation of “Worthless people are the most obedient, because that’s the only way they have left to compete.”
This. because i know it pisses you guys the fuck off.
8Why are you still on this board? You aren't capable of making intelligent posts. If you want to troll, go troll somewhere that is already retarded instead of serving as bait for more forum sliding shitposters.
dude chill out. if you think i'm that much of an asshole log off your main account. and just call me a nigger. easy.
Because stormfags and goats keep brigading the site. Which one are you?
Ah, congrats on losing your handshake.
And, yeah, everyone who isn't in lockstep with you is either a Nazi or a Muslim, you got us good.
You still haven't answered my question. These rules are remarkably lenient and Dom is quite forgiving. If you are having trouble following them, perhaps another site would suit you better.
I'd say I don't speak to the retarded, but unfortunately that's far from the truth.
I'm neither a Nazi nor a Muslim, and I've been here since the very beginning, you handshake locust.
Most subs on Reddit don't have this many rules, you absolute walnut. Considering the required level of moderation here, these rules are anything but "lenient."
Again, I don't even hate the guy. But retarded shill handshakes like you don't get to lecture me on how this site is run; you just got here, you're a troll, and you're pushing your own agenda because you can't stand people not agreeing with you. I've seen what you respond to; you want him to go harder on enforcement, because, as mentioned, you're a shill.
Two things I've already said; new shills like you don't get to lecture me...and I don't think I've ever been moderated here. I don't have trouble following the rules...I just object to them, have objected to them since the beginning, and find them retarded and completely unnecessary.
As someone who has a reddit account. you're being disingenuous. on reddit you wouldn't be able to say 1/4 of the shit you could say here. and the number of rules has got nothing to do with how harsh the place is. you always go by what the rules say, and not how many of them, there are. again, by reddit and even standalone standards. the rules here are pretty lenient. your just ass mad because this place doesn't kick out all the jews and blacks... well, the ones who disagree with you that is.
And who isn't? once more. you're just mad, that this place allows people like us on the site and you want it to be a white christian male haven. we get it, you hate american values and freedom of speech, no need to drag it out man.
Jesus christ man the projection is so bright i think i'm fucking blind! for almost 4 hours now. you've bitching about people down voting your posts, and comments, whenever you say something against the jews! just because you can't see the users who downvote you, doesn't mean they don't exist. this is the internet. expect everything you do to be used against you. and if you have a problem with people making you sad when they downvote you. may i suggest getting offline. and forming your own community, filled with likeminded people like you! problem solved.
Says who?! again, this just seems like a subversive way to undermine free speech. kick out people who are "trolls" and how do we define that? oh yeah by your stupid arbitrary standards. kick out people who are "shills" and again, how do we define shills again? oh yeah! by your fucking, standards. so basically, kick out people on a hunch, who so happens to have views different from yours. yet, the people whose views are! different from yours, don't want you banned, but you want them banned... projection at its finest ladies and gents.
So a lawless mess of posts just engaging in telling jews to off themselves. no accountability. and just a general sense of nothingness... yeah, i can definitely see people going for that. that's not retarded in the slightest.
Yes, you're clearly a redditor, you don't have to keep saying so.
The mindreaders are out in force.
Just cut to the chase and call all the nonwhites here niggers and race traitors again, loser.
Even more mindreading. Not being Christian, I wouldn't even be welcome in such a space.
How is me saying more freedom of speech would be good hating freedom of speech, pray tell?
The double layer projection irony. I have not called for anyone to be banned. You've called for my banning, as well as bragged about reporting me, loser.
You've told me to kill myself. I've never told anyone to kill themselves.
good points. my bad seems i have mis quoted you.
This site has rules for a reason, given the amount of hate and anti semitism that gets spread here, it is clear what you are hoping to achieve. After the terrorist attack on Israel, the average stormfag users rolled in with goat sympathizing and the like. I reported them and they were rightfully banned.
If your idea of "updating" the rules involves making more space for storm fags and other extremists, then perhaps, conpro, or 4chan would suit you better.
Ah, so in addition to your other failures as a human being, you're also a leftist. Explains some things.
"Muh hate speech!"
Ah, and you're a mind reader too; another one of my favorite character traits in a person.
I don't get you trolls. Rolling in here to tell the existing users to leave? Retarded.
Even I think you're an Israeli glowie or shill of some kind and people here know that I've regularly shat on Palestine in the past. People hate political shilling on this sort of community, it's annoying. Political discussion is one thing but NPCs should be called out.
I think it is Dom's alt account. He makes comments in favor of genociding Palestine yet somehow never gets hit with rule 2.
The whining about stormfags makes it more likely to be another Imp alt.
There are and were several users here who like to use that term, as well as many more on TheDonald (as little as I visit that forum now). Antonio, Imp, and DrJester to name the most prominent. Except for DrJester and gopower2024, it's possible to have legitimate discussions with those users. However, the moment the discussion veers anywhere close to racial differences or jews, they sperg out and declare you a Nazi. It's really weird behavior, and probably why many here have begun to notice the verboten patterns more, precisely because their attitudes on these subjects make reasonable people question their motives and arguments.
Dom did make a "now now don't call palestinians vermin" mod comment on one, but no removals afaik. He should have nuked the guy for border control since he was obviously trying to shit up the community from the start.
This coming from the glowing fed that posts like a strawman specifically designed to incite said stormfaggotry.
Shill accounts like you should be IP banned.
You don't really expect anyone to take you seriously, when you think an insult like that means anything. The only thing less relevant than storm front now, would be anything else you have to say.
Goats? What does that mean?