They are the product of public schools dominated by teachers indoctrinated by SJW universities.
1 - "An answer is a Google search away"... yes, Google and the rest of the extreme Adtech/Social surveillance cartel are the neo lib woke gospel, anything else is dangerous misinformation.
2 - "Flexibility to tolerate"... this is rich coming from a University professor. Universities are the poster children of intolerance and censure.
5 - "Students aren't taught the skills to develop or identify the skills they're missing." There's no time for that, they are being taught about "pronouns", "gender" and "equity". Ignorance is strength.
Yeah. Kids are taught that there is nothing wrong with you (unless you are white, straight, male or like sexy girls). Wanna cut off your penis? Nothing wrong with you. Want to diddle kids? Nothing wrong with you. Lazy and no money? Nothing wrong with you.
Yeah no. I was a math tutor twenty years ago. Millennials are retarded, in fact I'd say fully half of them belong in handcuffs bring pushed off the side of a ship, but I wouldn't even attempt to teach this generation.
I can't help but feel like the dumbing of children in America is a result of increasing Hispanic and Black minorities populations in schools. Public schools are just ghettos that reflect the future of America. Low IQ Hispanics and blacks running institutions into the ground. We can only hope they kill each other in a future race war while the Karens who enable this anarchy are killed in the crossfire.
Basically, that just plays into the Moo Slimes' hands, because the "sexual harassment" bullshit is going to lead to sexually segregated schools, just like the Moo Slimes want.
Imp's problem is myopia. He sees solely one aspect of the enemy. Tunnel visioning on only one head of the hydra is a good way to get bitten from other directions.
Imp’s problem is the same problem that communists and libertarians have: their ideology cannot survive contact with reality. You can hate women all you like, and I would even broadly agree with the sentiment. But your worldview cannot literally exclude women. They are 50% of not just the total population but of every population. You cannot have a functional society without them.
He has more problems than myopia. He thinks you're one of the heads because you are married and have children. His identification with trannies also runs deep. It's not just some sort of spite thing or strategizing.
Well, I'm only really with you on one-third of that (formerly proper IT, now infosec), but yeah, that's enough to appreciate where you're coming from...
True story: I had to get one of my guys on the phone to process an HP hardware issue back in the day.
The HP girl's accent on the other end of the line was so thick that Nav, who is himself Indian, needed four goes to understand what the hell she was talking about...
If you're surprised by how far we've fallen in the last 10-20 years, believe me when I tell you collapse is coming and it will happen in an instant. The people described here are, right now, taking jobs as the next generation of teachers. The problem will compound exponentially.
Another interesting thing, that is somewhat relevant, is that we can see everything a student does on Blackboard or Canvas. We can see what they click on, when they click on it, etc
Aside this jumped out at me.
This type of big data is terrifying because so much of propaganda and nudge theory is based on what draws attention. Having this type of information recorded for future use (it probably doesn't get well used now) means people with access to that info will know incredibly fine details about what specifically makes you feel what to scary degrees of accuracy.
If your showed 10,000 shapes, over time that data will show that you take 0.06 seconds longer to click a red shape than a blue shape because you read it for longer that much longer.
While microscopic, that type of info over a whole population can nudge quite effectively, things the government want to nudge you too will start to appear in red and blue for things they don't want you too read.
I run a business where half of my employees are teenagers or young adults. Even ten years ago, I could have expected a level of maturity and intelligence from a fifteen-year-old that I can now only reliably expect from an eighteen-year-old. My hiring threshold for age has had to increase just to find people who will reliably show up for work, let alone are capable of actually independently doing their job for ten minutes without supervision.
The school lockdowns during the plandemic were the absolute nail in the coffin for this generation. They were on shaky ground before that. Now they're just fucked.
Dunno, isn't this just a reflection of how out of touch a lot of the course material is...followed up by that the world they go into is "do what the authority figures tell you?".
I'd say maybe 80% of what I learned in high school was a waste.
And while there's some ominus things to that last one, we're just not breaking new ground in new fields any more. In a good job someone else figured out how to do things. In a shitty job someone shows up every month/week/meeting telling you to do things in a new stupid different way and you're expected to go with it if you don't you won't have a job.
There's some element here of professors living in their ivory tour and being completely out of touch.
That is absolutely wild. Eighth grade being 13-14 years old, nowadays there’s simply no way a test would be that in depth or require that many free form, non-multiple choice answers.
While I won't dispute that modern education is ruining lots of kids' mental potential, a lot of the stumbling blocks with that old exam are just obsolete conventions.
Like 13 year old me would have found the arithmetic section pretty reasonable, if only I knew what the hell the length of a rod was and the volume of a bushel. And I could have listed many different types of punctuation, but I couldn't have told you what the "principle marks" were because AFAIK that's a defunct definition.
That said the orthography section would have destroyed 13 year old me, don't think I'd been taught any of that at that point. And the amount of specific location details memorized for geography is impressive too.
Also I believe the expected percentage of correct answers was much lower back then, because they hadn't given up on challenging gifted kids in favour of coddling retards yet. No-one was supposed to 100% the test, and most were probably expected to score 50% or less.
They were training men how to operate and build civilization in isolation back then. 'Every man an island', literally.
Because the notion of 'going off into the wilderness and putting down a home' was very much a thing. Hell, it was still possible even up to the 1950s. No google, no cell phones, encyclopedias were a luxury and reference books were worth their weight in gold.
I understand the benefits modern society brings when it comes to accessing reference material and learning how to do stuff, but man, when I look at all the old tools my grandpa owned, a part of me misses all that.
There are thousands of wilderness survival guides on YouTube, many with several million views. How many of those viewers have tried to apply even one lesson from that content?
I don’t think access to information is the problem.
1607, 1620, and 1865 aren't that hard because those are still sort of taught today.
But I actually had to look up 1849, and even then that year seems ancillary to now, but back in 1895 it would still be relevant. If anything from that year would be taught nowadays it probably would be Tubman escaping slavery
Informed critical thinkers are unfit to work on assembly lines, which is where the founders of compulsory education wanted the vast majority of people to work.
The quality of education was way better it the times they needed more warm bodies for the assembly line. The students were given a much broader knoledge base to base their critical thinking on, than they are now.
Well, I only really learned about the principles of light refraction in physics class, when I was 16. I didn't have a proper answer to that question, myself, before that.
Yeah, that's an educational gap, but only a problem if you try to describe it to her and she can't grasp it, or says something like "that can't be right, light doesn't bend, silly"
How could they turn out any different?
They are the product of public schools dominated by teachers indoctrinated by SJW universities.
1 - "An answer is a Google search away"... yes, Google and the rest of the extreme Adtech/Social surveillance cartel are the neo lib woke gospel, anything else is dangerous misinformation.
2 - "Flexibility to tolerate"... this is rich coming from a University professor. Universities are the poster children of intolerance and censure.
5 - "Students aren't taught the skills to develop or identify the skills they're missing." There's no time for that, they are being taught about "pronouns", "gender" and "equity". Ignorance is strength.
Yeah. Kids are taught that there is nothing wrong with you (unless you are white, straight, male or like sexy girls). Wanna cut off your penis? Nothing wrong with you. Want to diddle kids? Nothing wrong with you. Lazy and no money? Nothing wrong with you.
Yeah no. I was a math tutor twenty years ago. Millennials are retarded, in fact I'd say fully half of them belong in handcuffs bring pushed off the side of a ship, but I wouldn't even attempt to teach this generation.
Anyone recently post-pandemic is going to be fucked up.
I can't help but feel like the dumbing of children in America is a result of increasing Hispanic and Black minorities populations in schools. Public schools are just ghettos that reflect the future of America. Low IQ Hispanics and blacks running institutions into the ground. We can only hope they kill each other in a future race war while the Karens who enable this anarchy are killed in the crossfire.
Average non-Hispanic white IQ is 103.
Average Hispanic IQ is 94.
Average black IQ is 85.
So yeah, immigration is lowering America’s IQ.
There's a sort of bitter humour in the thought of a Glasgow university paying the tuition fees for men they will still hate through gritted teeth...
Public schools teach to the lowest common denominator. So when the lowest common denominator gets lower and lower, so does the level of instruction.
You right dog.
Basically, that just plays into the Moo Slimes' hands, because the "sexual harassment" bullshit is going to lead to sexually segregated schools, just like the Moo Slimes want.
Between tutoring, the military and working IT, you betcha I have no faith in humanity. Anyone who does lead an easy life as far as I'm concerned.
Imp's problem is myopia. He sees solely one aspect of the enemy. Tunnel visioning on only one head of the hydra is a good way to get bitten from other directions.
Imp’s problem is the same problem that communists and libertarians have: their ideology cannot survive contact with reality. You can hate women all you like, and I would even broadly agree with the sentiment. But your worldview cannot literally exclude women. They are 50% of not just the total population but of every population. You cannot have a functional society without them.
You can't have a functional Chordata species without them.
He has more problems than myopia. He thinks you're one of the heads because you are married and have children. His identification with trannies also runs deep. It's not just some sort of spite thing or strategizing.
Oh I'm well aware what he thinks of me.
I'm still waiting on him to come out of the closet. I'm sure it'll happen, because he's exactly what he claims to hate
The thing is, when you get Imp off his monomania, they're intelligent and perfectly capable of holding a decent conversation and making cogent points.
But that's not easy to do, is it?
Well, I'm only really with you on one-third of that (formerly proper IT, now infosec), but yeah, that's enough to appreciate where you're coming from...
I'm my case server management and network monitoring. Among other things.
That is one of the most headache inducing jobs ever. I feel for you.
... but do you still feel sorry for the desktop support guys?
So long as they aren't yammering at me from a script in a pajeet accent, you betcha.
True story: I had to get one of my guys on the phone to process an HP hardware issue back in the day.
The HP girl's accent on the other end of the line was so thick that Nav, who is himself Indian, needed four goes to understand what the hell she was talking about...
Working any customer service field makes it apparent the average person is fucking retarded and shouldn't be allowed to vote
I'd go further and say they should be allowed access to technology.
If you're surprised by how far we've fallen in the last 10-20 years, believe me when I tell you collapse is coming and it will happen in an instant. The people described here are, right now, taking jobs as the next generation of teachers. The problem will compound exponentially.
Yes, I think we're about to discover the answer to the Fermi Paradox.
The Great Filter turns out to be Equity: the lowest common denominator snuffing out civilization across the starry abyss.
What we're seeing is 'no child left behind' from 20 years ago with Bush Jr.
You’re supposed to leave a few children behind lol
Aside this jumped out at me.
This type of big data is terrifying because so much of propaganda and nudge theory is based on what draws attention. Having this type of information recorded for future use (it probably doesn't get well used now) means people with access to that info will know incredibly fine details about what specifically makes you feel what to scary degrees of accuracy.
If your showed 10,000 shapes, over time that data will show that you take 0.06 seconds longer to click a red shape than a blue shape because you read it for longer that much longer. While microscopic, that type of info over a whole population can nudge quite effectively, things the government want to nudge you too will start to appear in red and blue for things they don't want you too read.
They wield their powers with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.
I run a business where half of my employees are teenagers or young adults. Even ten years ago, I could have expected a level of maturity and intelligence from a fifteen-year-old that I can now only reliably expect from an eighteen-year-old. My hiring threshold for age has had to increase just to find people who will reliably show up for work, let alone are capable of actually independently doing their job for ten minutes without supervision.
The school lockdowns during the plandemic were the absolute nail in the coffin for this generation. They were on shaky ground before that. Now they're just fucked.
Wow you engineer an education system to turn people into mindless cogs for just 170 years and look what happens.
Dunno, isn't this just a reflection of how out of touch a lot of the course material is...followed up by that the world they go into is "do what the authority figures tell you?".
I'd say maybe 80% of what I learned in high school was a waste.
And while there's some ominus things to that last one, we're just not breaking new ground in new fields any more. In a good job someone else figured out how to do things. In a shitty job someone shows up every month/week/meeting telling you to do things in a new stupid different way and you're expected to go with it if you don't you won't have a job.
There's some element here of professors living in their ivory tour and being completely out of touch.
And then you look back to what your great-great-grandparents knew...
That is absolutely wild. Eighth grade being 13-14 years old, nowadays there’s simply no way a test would be that in depth or require that many free form, non-multiple choice answers.
While I won't dispute that modern education is ruining lots of kids' mental potential, a lot of the stumbling blocks with that old exam are just obsolete conventions.
Like 13 year old me would have found the arithmetic section pretty reasonable, if only I knew what the hell the length of a rod was and the volume of a bushel. And I could have listed many different types of punctuation, but I couldn't have told you what the "principle marks" were because AFAIK that's a defunct definition.
That said the orthography section would have destroyed 13 year old me, don't think I'd been taught any of that at that point. And the amount of specific location details memorized for geography is impressive too.
Also I believe the expected percentage of correct answers was much lower back then, because they hadn't given up on challenging gifted kids in favour of coddling retards yet. No-one was supposed to 100% the test, and most were probably expected to score 50% or less.
They were training men how to operate and build civilization in isolation back then. 'Every man an island', literally.
Because the notion of 'going off into the wilderness and putting down a home' was very much a thing. Hell, it was still possible even up to the 1950s. No google, no cell phones, encyclopedias were a luxury and reference books were worth their weight in gold.
I understand the benefits modern society brings when it comes to accessing reference material and learning how to do stuff, but man, when I look at all the old tools my grandpa owned, a part of me misses all that.
There are thousands of wilderness survival guides on YouTube, many with several million views. How many of those viewers have tried to apply even one lesson from that content?
I don’t think access to information is the problem.
A six hour exam would destroy most bachelor students today. Let alone > Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865
They would all fail.
1607, 1620, and 1865 aren't that hard because those are still sort of taught today.
But I actually had to look up 1849, and even then that year seems ancillary to now, but back in 1895 it would still be relevant. If anything from that year would be taught nowadays it probably would be Tubman escaping slavery
The quality of education was way better it the times they needed more warm bodies for the assembly line. The students were given a much broader knoledge base to base their critical thinking on, than they are now.
Well, I only really learned about the principles of light refraction in physics class, when I was 16. I didn't have a proper answer to that question, myself, before that.
Yeah, that's an educational gap, but only a problem if you try to describe it to her and she can't grasp it, or says something like "that can't be right, light doesn't bend, silly"