Right? I thought Wagner was down to suicide charges with shovels? Why do they need F16s if they're winning so hard? Why do they need all these arms and billions of dollars?
Why even have air alerts? They can shoot down 20 out of 6 hypersonic missiles right?
Safe bet is that most of those billions have been pocketed by the ones pushing this BS. Why else would they be against auditing, if they weren't just using this to launder money?
Very similarly to how vaccine research works, where if you stack up enough money, the weight of the pile will generate enough pressure to produce a working vaccine.
In the case of Ukraine, if we give them enough money, they can just stack it up to make a big wall to keep Russia out.
And those same talking heads crow endlessly about how cartoonishly incompetent Russia is every step of the way while the war continues with Ukraine slowly losing.
Why do you think I have some 'conspiracy nutjobs' in my feed, they'll tell me the moment something is amiss while anything linked to mainstream will say everything is fine even after the mushroom clouds rise..
pretty much everyone on the pro-Ukraine side of twitter has been saying that Wagner finished taking the last bit of the city in the southwest in the last day or 2.
Prigozhin declared mission accomplished & said he's pulling Wagner out of the city soon, so if any counter-offensive hits, it won't be his fault for losing the city.
Even if you're shilling for Ukraine, the MSM are so worthless they can't be expected to pick-up the ball in time to help. They're just placating upper-middle class white leftists who need to be told that they are on the winning team to feel good about themselves.
What Zelensky says is news, whether or not it's true.
And the consensus online even among Ukraine supporters is that it's not true.
That's 3 of the biggest US news sources saying it's not fallen yet.
Incorrect. The article you linked states:
On Saturday the chief of the mercenary Wagner group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, claimed to have captured Bakhmut after months of brutal fighting, saying he would hand it over to Russia later in May,
CNN is unable to verify either side’s battlefield claims.
In recent days, Russian forces clawing their way west through the city have fought through a final neighborhood of high-rise apartment blocks, reaching an expanse of garages, farmhouses and open fields to the west. The Ukrainian military said on Sunday it still held several buildings in that area.
It's fine to report on what Ukraine is saying, and also what Russia is saying. That's news. These stories you linked specifically do not come down on which side is correct, they're just repeating stuff from press conferences.
What Zelensky says is news, whether or not it's true.... It's fine to report on what Ukraine is saying, and also what Russia is saying
CNN: "Zelensky says"
CNN: "Russia claims"
C'mon man. You know how the media works. What Trump says is news, except when the media doesn't want to amplify his "Big Lies", then suddenly he's making claims WITHOUT EVIDENCE, and "people familiar with his thinking" are quoted more than the man himself.
Have you actually looked at the maps? Even the most pro ukie ones show there's literally no "encirclement" and they've lost the city. It's literally Soledar all over again with how much cope is being made right now.
"Ukraine is counterattacking along the flanks"
"Ukraine is encircling the city" <- You are here
"A countattack will definitely happen once Wagner leaves, they are just waiting"
"The city is worthless anyway, a strategic retreat was needed, the forces are needed elsewhere"
I have to admit that I haven't recently, I stopped giving a shit about this whole conflict over a year ago - but that's beside the point. My comment was a reaction to dekachin's "pretty much everyone on the pro-Ukraine side..." thing, I just offered a counterpoint.
Gotcha. I just find it funny that yesterday they were like "Yes the city is fallen" to today being like "The entire Russian army is being encircled rn" and "Don't worry guys, Steiner IS coming and will save the day".
"Not strategically important", but once the Russians started stockpiling all their ammo in the salt mines all the Himaris'o'clock memes and Himaris strike footage completely stopped.
Hehe. The other day I saw a picture of a self-propelled gun, a ShKH DANA, in AFU service with a very prominent Balkenkreuz painted on it. Curiously, the screeching homosexuals from around here who have been making stupid fucking pictures like "St. Dana" (DANA is an initialism, but it's also a woman's name, the English equivalent is Danielle) have somehow gone completely silent. How incredibly strange.
So a PMC largely consisting of "convicts with shovels" not only grinded down but outright beat an actual army trained, supported and supplied by ALL OF NATO with hundreds of billions worth in money and merchandise?
Every battle ends in victory, every operation in sweeping success.
I understand the marketing standpoint that people don't like siding with losers, it's a well-established market research fact, people like winners, but every so often, I think it's okay to say "shit's fucked, yo."
I mean... That's literally not what he said, in the video...
You can interpret it that way, sure, but he gave a politician's answer, and, reading between the lines or otherwise, it isn't appropriate to put words in his mouth...
And I say this as no fan of Zelenskyy. But let's not bullshit this when there is no need to.
Just say that he pretty much admitted the situation was a loss. Don't claim things that he literally did not say...
All of the independent, pro-ukranian, war coverage channels that I follow have been showing the slow attrition of Bakhmut for months. If you're watching CNN or Fox News or MSNBC or whatever tv channel for war coverage, you are literally a fucking retard watching retard slop for retards.
Also, just because someone you don't like is "for" something, that doesn't mean that you should automatically be against it. You don't have to be pro-russia just because someone in the MSM is pro-ukraine.
Weird how we all know the truth days before professional journalists do.
What service are they providing at this point to regular citizens? Just a mercenary group for hire for the wealthy?
They are safe-guarding our sacred democracy, sweaty.
Not ours, not yours - theirs.
Right? I thought Wagner was down to suicide charges with shovels? Why do they need F16s if they're winning so hard? Why do they need all these arms and billions of dollars?
Why even have air alerts? They can shoot down 20 out of 6 hypersonic missiles right?
Safe bet is that most of those billions have been pocketed by the ones pushing this BS. Why else would they be against auditing, if they weren't just using this to launder money?
They were laundering money through ftx back to the democrats
Very similarly to how vaccine research works, where if you stack up enough money, the weight of the pile will generate enough pressure to produce a working vaccine.
In the case of Ukraine, if we give them enough money, they can just stack it up to make a big wall to keep Russia out.
And those same talking heads crow endlessly about how cartoonishly incompetent Russia is every step of the way while the war continues with Ukraine slowly losing.
The Glorious Imperial Japanese Navy has been winning nothing but glorious victories... all the way from Pearl to Okinawa.
Why do you think I have some 'conspiracy nutjobs' in my feed, they'll tell me the moment something is amiss while anything linked to mainstream will say everything is fine even after the mushroom clouds rise..
They are at best: for-profit, privately run, intelligence agencies.
Normally, they are far worse than that.
CNN: Zelensky says fiercely contested Bakhmut 'not occupied' as Russia claims capture
Updated 5:49 PM EDT May 21, 2023
Hang on, CNN, MSNBC and the BBC told me Russia was losing and is close to collapse any day now?!
2 more weeks 😂
The laundery is closing. Where will the roaches go?
Quick, give them another trillion /s
Idk what you mean by "misleading reports"
pretty much everyone on the pro-Ukraine side of twitter has been saying that Wagner finished taking the last bit of the city in the southwest in the last day or 2.
Prigozhin declared mission accomplished & said he's pulling Wagner out of the city soon, so if any counter-offensive hits, it won't be his fault for losing the city.
example: https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1659954428240367617
Even if you're shilling for Ukraine, the MSM are so worthless they can't be expected to pick-up the ball in time to help. They're just placating upper-middle class white leftists who need to be told that they are on the winning team to feel good about themselves.
CNN: Zelensky says fiercely contested Bakhmut ‘not occupied’ as Russia claims capture , timestamp: Updated 5:49 PM EDT, Sun May 21, 2023
NY Times: Zelensky Denies Bakhmut Has Fallen as Biden Pledges Commitment to Ukraine timestamp: May 21, 2023, Updated 6:13 p.m. ET
BBC: https://archive.ph/MIO60 timestamp: 6 hours ago (and I just archived it, so say 12:30-1 PM eastern today).
That's 3 of the biggest US news sources saying it's not fallen yet.
What Zelensky says is news, whether or not it's true.
And the consensus online even among Ukraine supporters is that it's not true.
Incorrect. The article you linked states:
Your NYT link is busted: https://archive.is/9Tu62
It's fine to report on what Ukraine is saying, and also what Russia is saying. That's news. These stories you linked specifically do not come down on which side is correct, they're just repeating stuff from press conferences.
C'mon man. You know how the media works. What Trump says is news, except when the media doesn't want to amplify his "Big Lies", then suddenly he's making claims WITHOUT EVIDENCE, and "people familiar with his thinking" are quoted more than the man himself.
Uh huh, that's fascinating, because I've read an article about how "Bakhmut stands" and how "UAF are currently encircling the city" like 6 hours ago.
Have you actually looked at the maps? Even the most pro ukie ones show there's literally no "encirclement" and they've lost the city. It's literally Soledar all over again with how much cope is being made right now.
"Ukraine is counterattacking along the flanks" "Ukraine is encircling the city" <- You are here
"A countattack will definitely happen once Wagner leaves, they are just waiting"
"The city is worthless anyway, a strategic retreat was needed, the forces are needed elsewhere"
"The city was never strategically important"
Insert next ukie city stands! "Slava Ukraine!"
I have to admit that I haven't recently, I stopped giving a shit about this whole conflict over a year ago - but that's beside the point. My comment was a reaction to dekachin's "pretty much everyone on the pro-Ukraine side..." thing, I just offered a counterpoint.
Gotcha. I just find it funny that yesterday they were like "Yes the city is fallen" to today being like "The entire Russian army is being encircled rn" and "Don't worry guys, Steiner IS coming and will save the day".
Yeah. And a week after it stops being in the news, none of these people will remember any of it.
"I was always in support of peace talks!"
Just like Soledar.
"Not strategically important", but once the Russians started stockpiling all their ammo in the salt mines all the Himaris'o'clock memes and Himaris strike footage completely stopped.
Hehe. The other day I saw a picture of a self-propelled gun, a ShKH DANA, in AFU service with a very prominent Balkenkreuz painted on it. Curiously, the screeching homosexuals from around here who have been making stupid fucking pictures like "St. Dana" (DANA is an initialism, but it's also a woman's name, the English equivalent is Danielle) have somehow gone completely silent. How incredibly strange.
Imagine being so dim you read the MSM
So a PMC largely consisting of "convicts with shovels" not only grinded down but outright beat an actual army trained, supported and supplied by ALL OF NATO with hundreds of billions worth in money and merchandise?
Am I reading this right?
Wagner be like
Every battle ends in victory, every operation in sweeping success.
I understand the marketing standpoint that people don't like siding with losers, it's a well-established market research fact, people like winners, but every so often, I think it's okay to say "shit's fucked, yo."
I mean... That's literally not what he said, in the video...
You can interpret it that way, sure, but he gave a politician's answer, and, reading between the lines or otherwise, it isn't appropriate to put words in his mouth...
And I say this as no fan of Zelenskyy. But let's not bullshit this when there is no need to.
Just say that he pretty much admitted the situation was a loss. Don't claim things that he literally did not say...
All of the independent, pro-ukranian, war coverage channels that I follow have been showing the slow attrition of Bakhmut for months. If you're watching CNN or Fox News or MSNBC or whatever tv channel for war coverage, you are literally a fucking retard watching retard slop for retards.
Also, just because someone you don't like is "for" something, that doesn't mean that you should automatically be against it. You don't have to be pro-russia just because someone in the MSM is pro-ukraine.