pretty much everyone on the pro-Ukraine side of twitter has been saying that Wagner finished taking the last bit of the city in the southwest in the last day or 2.
Prigozhin declared mission accomplished & said he's pulling Wagner out of the city soon, so if any counter-offensive hits, it won't be his fault for losing the city.
Even if you're shilling for Ukraine, the MSM are so worthless they can't be expected to pick-up the ball in time to help. They're just placating upper-middle class white leftists who need to be told that they are on the winning team to feel good about themselves.
What Zelensky says is news, whether or not it's true.
And the consensus online even among Ukraine supporters is that it's not true.
That's 3 of the biggest US news sources saying it's not fallen yet.
Incorrect. The article you linked states:
On Saturday the chief of the mercenary Wagner group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, claimed to have captured Bakhmut after months of brutal fighting, saying he would hand it over to Russia later in May,
CNN is unable to verify either side’s battlefield claims.
In recent days, Russian forces clawing their way west through the city have fought through a final neighborhood of high-rise apartment blocks, reaching an expanse of garages, farmhouses and open fields to the west. The Ukrainian military said on Sunday it still held several buildings in that area.
It's fine to report on what Ukraine is saying, and also what Russia is saying. That's news. These stories you linked specifically do not come down on which side is correct, they're just repeating stuff from press conferences.
What Zelensky says is news, whether or not it's true.... It's fine to report on what Ukraine is saying, and also what Russia is saying
CNN: "Zelensky says"
CNN: "Russia claims"
C'mon man. You know how the media works. What Trump says is news, except when the media doesn't want to amplify his "Big Lies", then suddenly he's making claims WITHOUT EVIDENCE, and "people familiar with his thinking" are quoted more than the man himself.
Have you actually looked at the maps? Even the most pro ukie ones show there's literally no "encirclement" and they've lost the city. It's literally Soledar all over again with how much cope is being made right now.
"Ukraine is counterattacking along the flanks"
"Ukraine is encircling the city" <- You are here
"A countattack will definitely happen once Wagner leaves, they are just waiting"
"The city is worthless anyway, a strategic retreat was needed, the forces are needed elsewhere"
I have to admit that I haven't recently, I stopped giving a shit about this whole conflict over a year ago - but that's beside the point. My comment was a reaction to dekachin's "pretty much everyone on the pro-Ukraine side..." thing, I just offered a counterpoint.
Gotcha. I just find it funny that yesterday they were like "Yes the city is fallen" to today being like "The entire Russian army is being encircled rn" and "Don't worry guys, Steiner IS coming and will save the day".
Idk what you mean by "misleading reports"
pretty much everyone on the pro-Ukraine side of twitter has been saying that Wagner finished taking the last bit of the city in the southwest in the last day or 2.
Prigozhin declared mission accomplished & said he's pulling Wagner out of the city soon, so if any counter-offensive hits, it won't be his fault for losing the city.
example: https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1659954428240367617
Even if you're shilling for Ukraine, the MSM are so worthless they can't be expected to pick-up the ball in time to help. They're just placating upper-middle class white leftists who need to be told that they are on the winning team to feel good about themselves.
CNN: Zelensky says fiercely contested Bakhmut ‘not occupied’ as Russia claims capture , timestamp: Updated 5:49 PM EDT, Sun May 21, 2023
NY Times: Zelensky Denies Bakhmut Has Fallen as Biden Pledges Commitment to Ukraine timestamp: May 21, 2023, Updated 6:13 p.m. ET
BBC: https://archive.ph/MIO60 timestamp: 6 hours ago (and I just archived it, so say 12:30-1 PM eastern today).
That's 3 of the biggest US news sources saying it's not fallen yet.
What Zelensky says is news, whether or not it's true.
And the consensus online even among Ukraine supporters is that it's not true.
Incorrect. The article you linked states:
Your NYT link is busted: https://archive.is/9Tu62
It's fine to report on what Ukraine is saying, and also what Russia is saying. That's news. These stories you linked specifically do not come down on which side is correct, they're just repeating stuff from press conferences.
C'mon man. You know how the media works. What Trump says is news, except when the media doesn't want to amplify his "Big Lies", then suddenly he's making claims WITHOUT EVIDENCE, and "people familiar with his thinking" are quoted more than the man himself.
Uh huh, that's fascinating, because I've read an article about how "Bakhmut stands" and how "UAF are currently encircling the city" like 6 hours ago.
Have you actually looked at the maps? Even the most pro ukie ones show there's literally no "encirclement" and they've lost the city. It's literally Soledar all over again with how much cope is being made right now.
"Ukraine is counterattacking along the flanks" "Ukraine is encircling the city" <- You are here
"A countattack will definitely happen once Wagner leaves, they are just waiting"
"The city is worthless anyway, a strategic retreat was needed, the forces are needed elsewhere"
"The city was never strategically important"
Insert next ukie city stands! "Slava Ukraine!"
I have to admit that I haven't recently, I stopped giving a shit about this whole conflict over a year ago - but that's beside the point. My comment was a reaction to dekachin's "pretty much everyone on the pro-Ukraine side..." thing, I just offered a counterpoint.
Gotcha. I just find it funny that yesterday they were like "Yes the city is fallen" to today being like "The entire Russian army is being encircled rn" and "Don't worry guys, Steiner IS coming and will save the day".
Imagine being so dim you read the MSM