Loli is cartoons, who the fuck cares. And there's no way of knowing if he's even being serious in that statement.
...And then there he is putting his toddler in sparkly heels. I believe he's an only child, too, so where did he get them? They're not his mother's. He doesn't have a sister...
Did chris buy feminine clothing for his son?
...Why?.
Two of these are a reach. One of them isn't, but it's made to look like one by proximity.
He didn't say kids, he said cartoons. The ultimate sin here by your meme's rules would be the male wasting his vigor on masturbation when he should be improving himself and raising a family.
(that said there's clearly an animu-tranny pipeline for some people)
No. It's a young-looking female character in a cartoon or manga, that isn't necessarily "under-aged". (In quotation marks because the age of a fictional character is entirely subjective to the author rather than something objective.)
It's entirely subjective. Some artists draw 13 year olds with more womanly features than others draw adults. So just like you acknowledged, "lolis" aren't necessarily kids, they're just an archetype for character models.
Question for the loli defenders. Why in the fuck do you think feeding your brain this sick shit isn't going to cause issues? Do you really think him feeding himself abhorrent shit for years couldn't have caused his current situation?
"But muh fictional" yeah, him well being a woman is also fictional but here we are. It doesn't matter if its fictional; you're conditioning your brain to get off on abhorrent shit and that's a bad idea.
I think both your comment and the one above can be true at the same time. Like we can recognize that loli isn't exactly the same as CP and shouldn't be illegal, but also recognize that it's not healthy and is its own class of problem.
I know I keep posting it now, but this is exactly what the left does where instead of having any kind of argument
Beat me to it. A bunch of retards with boomer mentalities acting like leftists. You can spot it a mile away. Like that user in this thread who gets emotional and starts typing in all caps because the flaw in his logic was plainly pointed out to him.
It is not a reach. You are just a fucking pedophile and keep pretending that someone saying it is pedophilia is the same as calling for a ban. That is just a deflection so you can continue to deny the reality of it
Hey, I'm not saying anything about legality, and it's interesting you immediately went there because "muh freedom" is a fairly strong place to defend from, but my post has nothing about whether it should be illegal. My post is about, "he put some freak shit in his brain and now his brain is full of freak shit." If someone wants to defend loli on principle that's whatever, but if a person is actually consuming loli then they are planting the eggs of their own brain worms, and Chris-chan II demonstrates that.
Hypocrites, all of you, by the way, there are even people out there who go apeshit over anime in general and think it should be outright banned because muh sexualisation even though they barely look human to begin with lol. There have even been plenty of memes pointing out how hideous their proportions are when transferred to real life.
Moreover, sexual conduct involving persons below the domestically prescribed minimum age of consent to sex may be consensual in fact, if not in law. In this context, the enforcement of criminal law should reflect the rights and capacity of persons under 18 years of age to make decisions about engaging in consensual sexual conduct and their right to be heard in matters concerning them. Pursuant to their evolving capacities and progressive autonomy, persons under 18 years of age should participate in decisions affecting them, with due regard to their age, maturity and best interests, and with specific attention to non-discrimination guarantees.
This is a million times more dangerous to children than loli ever will be.
Question for the FPS defenders. Why in the fuck do you think feeding your brain this sick shit isn't going to cause issues? Do you really think them feeding themselves abhorrent shit for years couldn't have caused this current situation?
"But muh fictional" yeah, him well being doomguy is also fictional but here we are. It doesn't matter if its fictional; you're conditioning your brain to get off on abhorrent shit and that's a bad idea.
"Video games caused Columbine." - cartoonricoberts 2023
Here's the thing, there are acceptable times to shoot people. Bringing up Doomguy is self defeating because we WANT people who are willing to shoot demons.
There is never an acceptable time to treat children as sexual. Ever.
It really does annoy me that these types think it’s different. Same problem I have with the Lotus Eaters guys on this subject. And I am not even a loli person (I am more into Kemonomimi for unusual anime appearance). I just don’t think it wise to give on this when it is obvious they will use it to attempt to censor all anime, because they can’t allow people to get outside their media ecosystem.
How do I know they will? Because SJWs have already tried to accuse a character of being a “loli”, even though she is canonical in her mid-20’s and has big boobs. But she is short, so clearly a loli, right?
I dont think we disagree as much as you think we do. I too am going to clown on someone for being into loli's unless they are a young teen (and even that is cutting it), but I dont think it wise to ban the practice. Like I said, when it comes to anime waifu's, I prefer mine a little more canine or foxy as it were.
Because once you start dictating what fictional content with no harm to actual people or animals required for production should be banned than just be up to age suitability for content, you surrender all free speech and fair use arguments.
Try to make any argument of why X shouldn't be banned and it can be destroyed with changing standards and morality as soon as you give one precedent.
My main issue with all the anti loli shit is that is waters down pedophile even more than it currently is. People calling tips Hotlines and wasting times because of loli is yet another one that brings my piss to a boil. I get you don't like that, you're are free to but why waste time of people who want to fight actual child predators, you know... With actual children that get abused.
I get people do not like it but please don't water down the word pedophile any more. It's almost on the same level as lefties calling everyone under the sun nazi and when an actual nazi comes around you cannot even differentiate them from someone who likes trump or something.
Gotta be careful with that as once you start down that road you basically enable search and seizure over anime stockpiles. This already happened in Australia.
Can we please stop mixing fiction with reality? i remember the days when one one cared about loli at all. Now in the last few years people started getting all up and arms about it to hysterical degrees and keep trying to mix up fictional things with real things .
Not only that but the CPfags hate loli in the first place. They think its just horribly unfair that loli is legal and their fucked up child abuse fetish isn't. Whenever negative attention like OP gets brought down on the lolifag community, the pedos and troons start salivating. People need to quit fucking helping them.
Not only that but the CPfags hate loli in the first place. They think its just horribly unfair that loli is legal and their fucked up child abuse fetish isn't.
Correct. We a similar reaction to 'futanari' - It is wildly popular in erotic art, but that huge popularity doesn't translate into even remotely comparable popularity for pre-op trannies, or women wearing strap-ons (possibly even less popular than trannies? Not sure), because the drawn (or even 3D rendered) image is fundamentally different to the reality of supposed real world equivalent.
This difference in reactions gets troons so salty that they often turn against the term 'futanari' and call it a slur out of, essentially, jealousy.
I know lots of guys who'd pay me $200 to draw a girl with fifteen inch cock and a nut sack the size of their skull, to whom the average troon is a disgusting uggo, and the average woman with a strap-on is a pale imitation. They'll fantasize about cartoon futa cock, but they'd never a touch another real dick in a million years because it's just fundamentally not the same thing as the illusion created by artists.
I've taken to calling them "tradcucks." They overshot the mark in opposing Leftist sexual degeneracy and slid all the way over into the puritan scale. Then they go looking for justifications to support their "new worldview" and cue the bullshit Internet arguments.
The worst part is that they're being played by (((voices in the middle))). Loli art is sort of a canary in the coal mine for both private lewdness and Internet free expression in general. Trannies HATE it, and have been trying to drive this wedge for a few years now, because its a massive fault line between the recently ascendant "gamer/anime Right" and the normalfag Right and middle. Meanwhile the tradcucks see it as low hanging fruit to bitch about, so they're happy to help the gender communists hammer the wedge in if it means they get clout with the evangelical soccer mom types. Its tiresome and I wish that every person who falls for it to get hit by ball lightning.
it's creepy how many replies I'm getting from people ITT trying to defend lolicons.
I'm not trying to 'defend lolicons', I'm trying to defend reality. You have an opinion that I am 100% certain is simply at odds with the objective reality of the situation. I vociferously attack all objectively wrong opinions regardless of what side of current politics they appear on, because I prize objectivity.
How the fuck would you know? Are you a lolicon? Do you have lots of lolicon friends?
I know because I am an erotic artist. I don't produce lolicon - far from it - but I do draw things things that don't really resemble anything real. I draw them in a way that is beyond reality, and I venture into finding shapes that makes people's brains light up. I am essentially producing visual patterns that don't exist in nature, and short-circuit brains that have evolved in nature. I'm hacking the brain.
It is to be completely expected, then, that the images I produce will generate feelings of attraction where a real life approximation of the subject would not. One such case is fat women. You can draw fat women so beautiful - it's easy. The brain loves big, bouncy round shapes. She can have flawless skin, her rolls (if there are any) can be golden ratio'd in their distribution, she can have a skinny neck an firm under-arms, her facial structure need not be buried under blubber, her ankles need not be cankles, her thighs can be massive and yet not deform or overhang her knees. I can draw a 450lb blob and make her look good. Reality can't do that.
I saw a nude photograph of Lizzo this week, and she looked repulsive. I could draw a cartoon of her and make her beautiful, but guess what? It wouldn't be her no matter how much I said it was, and any boner generated by it would be unlikely to equate to a boner for the flesh and blood bridge troll that is Lizzo.
You've described something in great detail that I've struggled for a long time to convey. Bravo. People need to stop virtue signaling over drawings and focus on shit that causes actual harm.
It's a tough subject to understand unless you start learning to draw it yourself, or least start analyzing what features make stylized characters 'attractive' or 'unattractive'. But just purely analyzing, you will run into your own biases. Only by sincerely trying to draw stylized characters that crowds of people find attractive yourself will you really learn the myriad ways you can utterly fail, and only then will you begin to get sense of what's really going on.
Most people would find it close to impossible to put into words any explanation of why one stylized character design tickle's people pickles and another does not.
Your argument just got systematically torn limb from limb and that is your response? Someone is acting like a redditor here and it isnt the dude you're replying to.
So now your argument is that the dudes who masturbate to anime kids are the true heroes, while the people who are opposed to sexual depictions of anime kids are the true pedos?
LOL.
Why are there so many fucking pedophiles in this thread. Where did you motherfuckers come from?
They aren't "heroes" , when did i say that, ? i simply stated that there have been cases of them getting actual pedos arrested when they searched the backgrounds of some anti loli crusaders who turned out to be pedos.
Everyone also knows that if lolis make your dick hard & you masturbate to them, you're a pedo.
You might be a pedo. There's obviously some overlap, especially when the loli is more realistic, but they are different visual fetishes. I also think the "conversion" mostly goes in one direction. Loli is "close enough" to be sub-standard wank fodder for pedos, but manga is non-human enough that doesn't naturally lead to a fetish for real children. (it could happen though)
Agreed that it isn't/shouldn't be socially acceptable.
Deviant sexual arousal is literally the strongest indicator of becoming an offender. The more you experience it the more likely an individual is to become a sex offender.
There are some fictions too dangerous to be permitted.
Some ideas gain power when expressed, over the speaker and the listener both. To avoid giving power to the evil, some fantasies should not be entertained.
Its been around since anime has been around which is literally decades. Japan has lower child sexual abuse rates than the west. https://postimg.cc/Xr7Fgwrw
Honestly though it was a mistake for anime to become mainstream in America. When Americans are involved with anything there's always drama.
It's weird because there's clearly some anime / game to troon pipelines at work here, but Japan doesn't have that particular problem. It's almost like the West is already an extremely sick society in general.
This Constitution is fit only for a just and moral people. It would be dangerous to any other.
You degenerates lack the ability to self-regulate, so when you hear that an idea should not be given voice, you automatically assume that restriction is imposed by external force rather than self-control.
Neither Conservatism nor Liberalism will save you from your nature, base animal.
In some circles they're known as MJWs. Moral Justice Warriors. The rights mirror image of Social Justice Warriors. And as with SJWs, they are not interested in actual justice, they just want to rile up a mob to be angry at things they personally don't like.
If telling you that it is dangerous to your own psyche to entertain degeneracy is "using morality as a cudgel", I'd hate to see what kind of linguistic lapdance you're looking for as a "guide to help people".
You are sick, and the only way for you to get well is to stop. indulging. the. fantasy. before. it. consumes. you.
Telling you to stop jerking off to fictional kids before you start jerking off to real ones is no different than a doctor telling a 300-lb man to stop eating before he becomes a 500-lb man.
Pursuing sick fantasies makes manifesting a sick reality inevitable.
The lolicon issue that a lot of conservatives are trying to start by linking it to trans is a non-starter and to their detriment. Plus it alienates those who hold conservative opinions but like anime.
Lolicon works off a separation of reality and fiction. You can do WHATEVER you want to a drawing, it's a drawing it has no agency but ask the majority of lolicons if they think kids should be sexually active and they'll beat the shit out of you...if they can some really need to exercise more.
Trans LIVES in fiction, thinking that gender can be changed like clothes and that sex is an entitlement to all INCLUDING children with how much they try to include kids in their activities.
Trying to conflate lolicon and trans is like conflating Jews and Muslims. You are taking two groups that hate each other to be both pissed at you and see you as the enemy.
That's their plan. It was the "anime Right" that bent the trad-Right's arm into something that was, big shock, palatable to people again because it didn't have a stick up its ass anymore. The tradcuck boomers didn't like that, so here they are driving wedges into their own side to restore their precious moral purity.
This is the equivalent of trannies saying “you’re genociding us” because we won’t use their pronouns. Disliking lolicon (aka animated child porn) doesn’t mean you dislike anime. I happen to enjoy a lot of anime, and I think lolicon is 100% child porn.
The lolicon issue that a lot of conservatives are trying to start by linking it to trans is a non-starter and to their detriment. Plus it alienates those who hold conservative opinions but like anime.
A lot of fucking weirdos are into lolis. It's pedo shit if you jack off to lolis. It just is. Lolis are explicitly designed to appeal to pedos.
I watch anime a lot. My GF is Japanese. It's very transparent that there are a significant number of characters inserted into some shows purely to appeal to fetishes so that the show will sell more to those fetishists. Lolis are designed to appeal to pedos. The more recent "imoto" fetish is a combination of pedophilia & incest. Even Black Clover - a mainstream big title - has a protagonist character who is openly sexually into his little sister.
ask the majority of lolicons if they think kids should be sexually active and they'll beat the shit out of you...
X: doubt. Not if they're being honest.
This particular tranny is also into lolis. Sexually. Not because he thinks they're cute, but because he likes to masturbate to them. And he does it enough to proudly say it in public. That doesn't mean ALL trannies are like that, but the simple fact is that mentally ill people have comorbidities, so a tranny is much more likely to be into lolis or other forms of sexual deviancy when compared to just a normal sane person.
It just is. Lolis are explicitly designed to appeal to pedos.
No and no.
Lolis do not even resemble human beings, let alone human children. Japanese and Japanese-styled art DOMINATES the erotic space while the realism of western art has been utterly sidelined. We haven't seen a millennial Boris Vallejo or Frank Frazetta because eroticism in that style just doesn't sell any more. The Japs blew it the fuck away and relegated it to western women's romance novel book covers.
The overwhelming majority of people jacking off to drawings aren't looking for realism. That's WHY they're jacking off to drawings.
Lolis do not even resemble human beings, let alone human children.
Lolis are 100% intended to resemble human children, just like adult anime women with big tits are intended to resemble human adult women. It doesn't matter that they are not photo-realistic. There is a reason that human males get hard dicks for big anime titties but not for the cast of the Pixar movies Cars or Finding Nemo.
Lolis are carefully crafted to have traits that pedophiles will get triggered by & sexually aroused by. That's why they exist. Same with many other fetish bait tropes like Moe, Tsunderes, Yanderes, and all the others. This is especially true in harem anime but it leaks into mainstream titles as well since the Japanese are taught that putting this shit in their anime = more sales.
The overwhelming majority of people jacking off to drawings aren't looking for realism. That's WHY they're jacking off to drawings.
A pedo who masturbates to "unrealistic" lolis is still a pedo. I really don't care if you want to argue "b-b-but he's an ethical pedo because he doesn't go after real cp!" I DON'T CARE. HE IS STILL A PEDO. which is all I said to begin with.
It doesn't matter that they are not photo-realistic
They are not just 'not photorealistic', they do not even have human proportions. You're screaming 'pedophile!' at people jacking off to something that looks NOTHING like a human child and has a facial structure literally closer to that of a kitten than a human being.
Your opinions on this are transparently those of an artistic illiterate who has never drawn anything in his life and has zero understanding of or care for how character design/proportion plays with people's brains to create pleasing illusions of things that are simply not there.
A pedo who masturbates to "unrealistic" lolis is still a pedo.
This statement is your entire position, sI'm going to succinctly break down how retarded this statement is by translating it into plain English:
'A person who masturbates to something that looks nothing like a human child is a person who is sexually attracted to human children'.
You are really doing all you can to dilute the language, aren't you? The word "pedo" is gonna have as much meaning as the word "racist" when you're done with it. And I say that as someone who made the comment yesterday, before this thread even was posted, that actual pedos deserve the wood chipper.
this pedo apologism shit is so widespread here on kia2 one wonders if it's a psyop.
jacking it to kids: horrendous! how can leftism do this?
jacking it to digital art of kids: wow, stop cramping my style libtard, she COULD be a 900 year old dragon even though i jack it to her because she looks and acts like a kid.
It's very obvious why it's here if you think about it for two seconds. The core mission statement of KIA has always been "Stop fucking with my games/tv/movies/anime" and yet here come the puritans, with intent to try and fuck with anime, and they wonder why people get their backs up.
equating no longer having spiteful mutants fuck with our media to wanting sexy kids in that media makes about as much sense as lumping any criticism of, say, the CIA, in with flat earth reptillian Q people.
in other words, it's a poisoning of the well, it's pedophillic kookification. "free speech means i get to jack it to kids".
let me tell you something: i don't really approve of all the people wanting women with big tits in every game and show out there. i think it's hedonistic, it depraves society and the character of the consumer, and it's basically adjacent to pornography, which does those former things tenfold.
but, i get it when people say that they want women with big tits. i'm heterosexual, i too like that, and between that and having 400kg negress muttoid abominations in my media, i'll take the japanese women with the big tits.
what i won't ever get is why you would seriously, as a supposedly sane and healthy person, want sexualized little kids in your media. it is only pedophiles that want that, and pedophiles are insane, unhealthy, and deserve the rope. it is that simple. waiting for one to actually abuse a kid when they tell you upfront they're a pedophile (by, for instance, saying they like drawings of sexy naked kids...) is just too stupid to be a natural occurrence among so-called free-thinkers.
Why, because it's a single point of failure that is relatively easy to defend. Note I said relatively. It till takes some doing. If you cede it suddenly you have the axiom "some drawings are not okay". Now the question is who decides which drawings are ok, where the line is, an half a dozen other fronts you now have to defend if you don't want things you enjoy censored or banned.
I instead, prefer to stick to the principle "it's a drawing, it's fiction, it's free speech, it should be defended." It's one point of failure. It's not always an easy point to defend, but if it goes down, the mess is yet unforseen.
TDLR: we aren't defending it, we are using loli as a canary in the coal mine. EVERY action taken to 'stop this pedopholic artwork' has then been used to stamp out free speech (payment processors refusing service, refusal to allow content despite meeting tos etc)
Basically it's our new Alex Jones metric of how the government wants to fuck you.
They've been lurking about for a while now. They are most visible when a new platform like Gab or Parler ban loli. It's just free speech, man. Don't force your outdated beliefs on everything.
"They" have been here since the beginning dude. This board has its roots in shitting on trash journalism related to video games, anime, and other pop culture. If anything, the boomer moral justice warrior puritans are the outsiders. As seen by them getting shit on so hard in this thread.
Need I remind you that #GamerGate started on 4chan > 8chan, where several loli boards were prominent parts of the community? Where half of our anime avatar brigade on Twitter used loli characters? Where we occasionally spammed lolis at people on social media to piss off pedos and smug journos? Fuck one of the spinoff sites is literally named "smug lolis."
The ones "lurking about" are these latecomer normalfags.
Lolicon isn't about kids it's about body type. Don't get me wrong, there's a LOT of stuff where it's clearly kids but it's focused on Asian attraction of youth so it's how you get the '900 year old vampire loli' archetype. They have the youthful look but the maturity of your average milf, you want examples look up Rory Mercury from GATE or Yue from Arifureta.
In regards to his tweets some of them not including the loli stuff is a product of their time. It was made in the era when we were WAY more edgy and this was popular song. Unless we want to fall in to the trap of removing cultural context while critiquing history, it's also a none starter.
The tweets with any regarding his kids and very disturbing comments are fair game even if we were back in the Filthy Frank era as 1. It uses a real kid 2. Uses a person they are in close proximity too. That's just disturbing.
Also ask dev from SFO about these trannies and lolicon, they tried to cancel him and claim he was a pedo because he liked anime and said lolicon was a non issue. They ironically stopped when they started praising Chris and Dev pointed out that he liked lolicon.
Its almost like people forget that loli was part of otaku culture for decades and nobody gave a shit at all about it last time if you said you like loli. it was only recently that people starting crying about it. Which has also accelerated to even calling things like Uzuki chan "pedo bait"
i stopped taking them seriously when i saw there was more people whining about anime than there was people talking about actual kids doing sexualized dances on tiktok.i've seen tweets that whine about lolis get more likes than tweets that talk about actual problems
Can you name anyone in “this crowd” that considered Cuties artistic and acceptable? The college student if it’s the one I’m thinking of was due to a clear physiognomy that left her face structurally looking like a prepubescent girl which would be clearly disturbing for some to think about sexually, especially those with children. Oh, and Loli is indeed creepy pedo shit. Kinda why self proclaimed pedos are the main consumers of Loli.
If you mean twitter freaks, yeah a lot of them did defend cuties using the fact 'their parents consented to them being in the film' as an excuse while they later go with the argument that lolicon is bad as 'a drawing can't consent'
It's either full retardation or utterly devoid of morality to argue that.
She is literally depicted as an adult. Stop obfuscating using idiots calling non loli, loli as an example of why loli is okay. It is plainly disingenuous
Plus it alienates those who hold conservative opinions but like anime.
That's like saying that denouncing Lolita would alienate people who like War and Peace - just because they're both Russian literature doesn't mean people are going to like both or neither.
You need to seperate the sexual side from the actual body type when discussing lolicon. It's been a part of anime for decades.
To go ' this thing you do in your media that does not directly harm anyone, you should stop doing it because I don't like it' is right out of a leftist playbook.
Don't fall into the trap of saying something shouldn't exist when it doesn't directly harm anyone to make it. I'd be more concerned with AI made stuff ...
Honestly it's probably not a big mistake to conflate them for scare-points from a political standpoint. There's not a lolicon voting bloc. It's an extreme niche.
Loli "fans" should understand this. There is a such thing as fetishes and kinks that AREN'T part of a normal healthy society and should be kept in the closet. If only the faggots had accepted that decades ago and didn't decide to make sexuality part of their identity.
Loli "fans" should understand this. There is a such thing as fetishes and kinks that AREN'T part of a normal healthy society and should be kept in the closet.
Most of the ones I know that either enjoy the content or defend it's right to exist DO understand it, it's just the left constantly throwing lolicon like they're flares and the right goes for the decoy.
They'd be happy to be left alone, not harming anyone in their corners like they have for decades but with the popularity of anime and manga nowadays, they're seen as the weakest point to attack in order to infiltrate the wider industry.
Loli "fans" should understand this. There is a such thing as fetishes and kinks that AREN'T part of a normal healthy society and should be kept in the closet.
I'm not saying it should be out in the public or paraded around proudly. I'm saying it should not be disallowed because many people find it unpleasant. You can say oh but that isn't what we are talking about but that doesn't matter. But as others pointed out lolicon is like the Alex Jones of this subniche. If it goes then there's no telling what happens next. As there has been a large effort to fling shit at lolicon in western circles where it was largely ignored before, and payment processors threatening sites like pixiv over it, it shouldn't be a surprise that any excessive criticism is met with harsh pushback.
You don't like loli? Totally cool.
You think it shouldn't be generally accepted out in the open? I agree.
But when you (and not you specifically, but others in this thread) lead with retarded shit like if you like loli then you're a pedo, or liking loli turns you into a pedo, then expect massive pushback.
You done screaming like a blue hair into the void on some old post everyone moved on from? Nice framing when I never said you had to 'like loli' to like anime only that its been a part of anime for years and has harmed less real kids than a standard nickelodeon production.
If you come at me immediately trying to label me shit, expect me to treat you like shit.
I do like the discourse here, there's a lot of intelligent users that make great contributions. And if this thread is any indicator, the moral justice warrior boomer types who crusade over fictional children haven't taken over the board; if anything they're still a minority.
That being said, you're totally correct. The high level of discourse attracts a crowd that is wider in scope than the actual purpose of the board, and we have to be careful that this doesn't lead to the board's downfall.
Because they didn’t know what it was. As lolicon has penetrated into mainstream understanding, more and more people have correctly identified it as child porn.
Lolicon is not child pornography. Full stop. If you cannot delibeate between reality and imagined fictional acts then I have to ask you about your belief in trans genocide and other political fictions.
Lmao what the fuck do you think it is? Clearly we are talking about pornographic depictions because no one but people that watch cartoon children in anime porn use the term loli anyway.
Just because Yanks bastardised the term for their own usage doesn't change the definition. You are literally an ignorant foreigner misunderstanding a Japanese word because online debates have swung in that direction. Muddying a term until it's useless or deviates enough from the original meaning to confuse arguments is the left's greatest tactic.
Loli in anime doesn't actually refer to child porn- not even drawn. It's literally a type of character like muscle-man, thug, hero, Gal/Ganguro, and specifically evokes certain kinds of tropes.
There are a lot of people in this thread who I have never seen post before.
Almost makes one wonder what drew them to this thread specifically.
If they had organic engagement, you'd see these names elsewhere. You look at the history, and half of them haven't had a post in the last month that doesn't have the word "loli" in it.
Yeah, creeped me the fuck out. It's a bunch of pedos who are possibly in denial about being pedos, or they are arguing in bad faith to normalize lolicons full well knowing that it has an expression of pedophilia.
I argue plenty from a legal perspective that calling sexual attraction to age 14-17 is not pedophilia, because it literally is not under the DSM V as well as criminal law. I have been called a pedo many times on reddit for this, even though I'm objectively just correct & fighting against the term pedophile being watered down.
I don't see lolicon the same way at all. These cartoons are intended to represent very young children & appeal to sexual attraction from pedos. I can't imagine why anyone's dick would be getting hard to a cartoon child unless they're a pedo.
Warms my heart to see the moral justice warriors crusading over fictional children getting blown the fuck out in the comments. Seems we haven't had too many users trickle in from patriots.win to dilute the sentiment of the board yet.
Considering the number of vocal anti-loli activists who got caught with CP over the years, I honestly, genuinely don't know who you're talking about. XD
That wasn't an "ackshually, you're the pedos" comment; it's genuinely hard to tell which side you're on from your 1st comment devoid of other context- I just found that amusing.
I think the argument that things you think in your head directly correlate to things you want or desire to do in real life is beyond silly. I've jerked it to lesbians/3-somes, but I'd never want to deal with more than 1 woman at a time in real life. I could entertain plenty of other fetishes like anal, but not want to partake in it in real-life.
That's where I disagree. Steampunk_moustache made an excellent comment about how you can make the fictional depiction attractive while the real world thing remains unattractive. Just because you watch porn with fat or ugly women doesn't mean you'd want to date them. The more stylised the depiction, the easier it is to disassociate it with the real world thing it represents.
Honestly, if you're okay with fictional murder, you shouldn't care about fictional rape either.
He's not the "retard" who can't make a coherent argument. He might not even like or support loli, but we all know where this goes with free speech, so we defend it even if it's objectionable. Ban porn, not loli (before you say anything, YES, that means drawn porn too, but NO, loli is not drawn porn of little girls).
Brilliant argument. I know I'm convinced. Keep at the "videogames cause violence" rhetoric, I'm sure you'll get DnD banned one of these days.
Yes, I'll keep living in my deranged world, but every once in a while I'll delve into fantasy where neither I nor anyone else can be hurt because it's fictional.
Agreed.
The Hitler one is an obvious joke.
Loli is cartoons, who the fuck cares. And there's no way of knowing if he's even being serious in that statement.
...And then there he is putting his toddler in sparkly heels. I believe he's an only child, too, so where did he get them? They're not his mother's. He doesn't have a sister...
Did chris buy feminine clothing for his son?
...Why?.
Two of these are a reach. One of them isn't, but it's made to look like one by proximity.
Because he is possessed by a mental illness so virulent, it demands to be spread.
And the response of society has been to sacrifice the vulnerable instead of protecting them.
yeah, you're right. who cares if you get off to kids? how does it affect you personally?
He didn't say kids, he said cartoons. The ultimate sin here by your meme's rules would be the male wasting his vigor on masturbation when he should be improving himself and raising a family.
(that said there's clearly an animu-tranny pipeline for some people)
no, he said loli, which is kids.
No. It's a young-looking female character in a cartoon or manga, that isn't necessarily "under-aged". (In quotation marks because the age of a fictional character is entirely subjective to the author rather than something objective.)
yeah, it's a 3000 year old dragon, buddy.
Exactly. Thank you for supporting my point.
It's entirely subjective. Some artists draw 13 year olds with more womanly features than others draw adults. So just like you acknowledged, "lolis" aren't necessarily kids, they're just an archetype for character models.
You can say the same thing about violent video games.
It's silly that anyone is offended over a Hitler joke when they don't even know who Yagoda is.
Makes one wonder who's framing the cultural norms.
Question for the loli defenders. Why in the fuck do you think feeding your brain this sick shit isn't going to cause issues? Do you really think him feeding himself abhorrent shit for years couldn't have caused his current situation?
"But muh fictional" yeah, him well being a woman is also fictional but here we are. It doesn't matter if its fictional; you're conditioning your brain to get off on abhorrent shit and that's a bad idea.
I think both your comment and the one above can be true at the same time. Like we can recognize that loli isn't exactly the same as CP and shouldn't be illegal, but also recognize that it's not healthy and is its own class of problem.
Beat me to it. A bunch of retards with boomer mentalities acting like leftists. You can spot it a mile away. Like that user in this thread who gets emotional and starts typing in all caps because the flaw in his logic was plainly pointed out to him.
It is not a reach. You are just a fucking pedophile and keep pretending that someone saying it is pedophilia is the same as calling for a ban. That is just a deflection so you can continue to deny the reality of it
Hey, I'm not saying anything about legality, and it's interesting you immediately went there because "muh freedom" is a fairly strong place to defend from, but my post has nothing about whether it should be illegal. My post is about, "he put some freak shit in his brain and now his brain is full of freak shit." If someone wants to defend loli on principle that's whatever, but if a person is actually consuming loli then they are planting the eggs of their own brain worms, and Chris-chan II demonstrates that.
Heck, the UN has been going after Japan for anime for quite some time. It's also the same UN that has called for decriminalizing sexual intercourse between adults and minors. On Page 22, they explicitly said this:
This is a million times more dangerous to children than loli ever will be.
Question for the FPS defenders. Why in the fuck do you think feeding your brain this sick shit isn't going to cause issues? Do you really think them feeding themselves abhorrent shit for years couldn't have caused this current situation?
"But muh fictional" yeah, him well being doomguy is also fictional but here we are. It doesn't matter if its fictional; you're conditioning your brain to get off on abhorrent shit and that's a bad idea.
"Video games caused Columbine." - cartoonricoberts 2023
Here's the thing, there are acceptable times to shoot people. Bringing up Doomguy is self defeating because we WANT people who are willing to shoot demons.
There is never an acceptable time to treat children as sexual. Ever.
Lemme know when you start jacking off to people being shot to death.
It really does annoy me that these types think it’s different. Same problem I have with the Lotus Eaters guys on this subject. And I am not even a loli person (I am more into Kemonomimi for unusual anime appearance). I just don’t think it wise to give on this when it is obvious they will use it to attempt to censor all anime, because they can’t allow people to get outside their media ecosystem.
How do I know they will? Because SJWs have already tried to accuse a character of being a “loli”, even though she is canonical in her mid-20’s and has big boobs. But she is short, so clearly a loli, right?
But considering that Anime and Manga are aimed at late teens and young adults, that is a little bit different in terms of "Can they see this or that."
I dont think we disagree as much as you think we do. I too am going to clown on someone for being into loli's unless they are a young teen (and even that is cutting it), but I dont think it wise to ban the practice. Like I said, when it comes to anime waifu's, I prefer mine a little more canine or foxy as it were.
Oh, yeah, clearly the same thing. Violence is a normal impulse that doesn't have as much place in the modern world. WANTING TO FUCK CHILDREN ISN'T.
Loli aren't children. They're drawings....
Because once you start dictating what fictional content with no harm to actual people or animals required for production should be banned than just be up to age suitability for content, you surrender all free speech and fair use arguments.
Try to make any argument of why X shouldn't be banned and it can be destroyed with changing standards and morality as soon as you give one precedent.
My main issue with all the anti loli shit is that is waters down pedophile even more than it currently is. People calling tips Hotlines and wasting times because of loli is yet another one that brings my piss to a boil. I get you don't like that, you're are free to but why waste time of people who want to fight actual child predators, you know... With actual children that get abused.
I get people do not like it but please don't water down the word pedophile any more. It's almost on the same level as lefties calling everyone under the sun nazi and when an actual nazi comes around you cannot even differentiate them from someone who likes trump or something.
It does not water down shit. If you jerk off to something that resembles or is supposed to be a prepubescent child you are a pedo.
Gotta be careful with that as once you start down that road you basically enable search and seizure over anime stockpiles. This already happened in Australia.
Tik tok tranny pipeline is undefeated
Can we please stop mixing fiction with reality? i remember the days when one one cared about loli at all. Now in the last few years people started getting all up and arms about it to hysterical degrees and keep trying to mix up fictional things with real things .
Everyone knows lolis are not real CP.
Everyone also knows that if lolis make your dick hard & you masturbate to them, you're a pedo.
You need a reality check.
99% of loli enjoyers would nope the fuck out if you showed them real CP.
Not only that but the CPfags hate loli in the first place. They think its just horribly unfair that loli is legal and their fucked up child abuse fetish isn't. Whenever negative attention like OP gets brought down on the lolifag community, the pedos and troons start salivating. People need to quit fucking helping them.
Correct. We a similar reaction to 'futanari' - It is wildly popular in erotic art, but that huge popularity doesn't translate into even remotely comparable popularity for pre-op trannies, or women wearing strap-ons (possibly even less popular than trannies? Not sure), because the drawn (or even 3D rendered) image is fundamentally different to the reality of supposed real world equivalent.
This difference in reactions gets troons so salty that they often turn against the term 'futanari' and call it a slur out of, essentially, jealousy.
I know lots of guys who'd pay me $200 to draw a girl with fifteen inch cock and a nut sack the size of their skull, to whom the average troon is a disgusting uggo, and the average woman with a strap-on is a pale imitation. They'll fantasize about cartoon futa cock, but they'd never a touch another real dick in a million years because it's just fundamentally not the same thing as the illusion created by artists.
I dunno, I think I'd only give 90% of them benefit of the doubt, tops.
No, you do. Honestly it's creepy how many replies I'm getting from people ITT trying to defend lolicons.
How the fuck would you know? Are you a lolicon? Do you have lots of lolicon friends?
i know some lolicons have gotten actual pedos arrested when they searched the backgrounds of some antis that they turned out to be actual pedos.
So the people who jerk off to depictions of child pornography are actually heroes. Got it.
The lolicon cope is honestly embarrassing.
"So, what you're saying is..."
You fucking midwits are no better than the people you criticize.
I've taken to calling them "tradcucks." They overshot the mark in opposing Leftist sexual degeneracy and slid all the way over into the puritan scale. Then they go looking for justifications to support their "new worldview" and cue the bullshit Internet arguments.
The worst part is that they're being played by (((voices in the middle))). Loli art is sort of a canary in the coal mine for both private lewdness and Internet free expression in general. Trannies HATE it, and have been trying to drive this wedge for a few years now, because its a massive fault line between the recently ascendant "gamer/anime Right" and the normalfag Right and middle. Meanwhile the tradcucks see it as low hanging fruit to bitch about, so they're happy to help the gender communists hammer the wedge in if it means they get clout with the evangelical soccer mom types. Its tiresome and I wish that every person who falls for it to get hit by ball lightning.
Fucking five star assessment right here.
I'm not trying to 'defend lolicons', I'm trying to defend reality. You have an opinion that I am 100% certain is simply at odds with the objective reality of the situation. I vociferously attack all objectively wrong opinions regardless of what side of current politics they appear on, because I prize objectivity.
I know because I am an erotic artist. I don't produce lolicon - far from it - but I do draw things things that don't really resemble anything real. I draw them in a way that is beyond reality, and I venture into finding shapes that makes people's brains light up. I am essentially producing visual patterns that don't exist in nature, and short-circuit brains that have evolved in nature. I'm hacking the brain.
It is to be completely expected, then, that the images I produce will generate feelings of attraction where a real life approximation of the subject would not. One such case is fat women. You can draw fat women so beautiful - it's easy. The brain loves big, bouncy round shapes. She can have flawless skin, her rolls (if there are any) can be golden ratio'd in their distribution, she can have a skinny neck an firm under-arms, her facial structure need not be buried under blubber, her ankles need not be cankles, her thighs can be massive and yet not deform or overhang her knees. I can draw a 450lb blob and make her look good. Reality can't do that.
I saw a nude photograph of Lizzo this week, and she looked repulsive. I could draw a cartoon of her and make her beautiful, but guess what? It wouldn't be her no matter how much I said it was, and any boner generated by it would be unlikely to equate to a boner for the flesh and blood bridge troll that is Lizzo.
You've described something in great detail that I've struggled for a long time to convey. Bravo. People need to stop virtue signaling over drawings and focus on shit that causes actual harm.
It's a tough subject to understand unless you start learning to draw it yourself, or least start analyzing what features make stylized characters 'attractive' or 'unattractive'. But just purely analyzing, you will run into your own biases. Only by sincerely trying to draw stylized characters that crowds of people find attractive yourself will you really learn the myriad ways you can utterly fail, and only then will you begin to get sense of what's really going on.
Most people would find it close to impossible to put into words any explanation of why one stylized character design tickle's people pickles and another does not.
Indistinguishable from Reddit lol
Your argument just got systematically torn limb from limb and that is your response? Someone is acting like a redditor here and it isnt the dude you're replying to.
I've turned a fun hobby into a source of income. Oh my, so irrational!
So now your argument is that the dudes who masturbate to anime kids are the true heroes, while the people who are opposed to sexual depictions of anime kids are the true pedos?
LOL.
Why are there so many fucking pedophiles in this thread. Where did you motherfuckers come from?
They aren't "heroes" , when did i say that, ? i simply stated that there have been cases of them getting actual pedos arrested when they searched the backgrounds of some anti loli crusaders who turned out to be pedos.
They literally always do this. It’s the same logic as “you don’t like gay shit, you must secretly want to fuck dudes”.
Fr, I'm convinced this site is being subverted.
No, free speech was part of it's core identity from the start. This is part of that. The righty puritans came later.
But the pedophile lefties just recently arrived
You might be a pedo. There's obviously some overlap, especially when the loli is more realistic, but they are different visual fetishes. I also think the "conversion" mostly goes in one direction. Loli is "close enough" to be sub-standard wank fodder for pedos, but manga is non-human enough that doesn't naturally lead to a fetish for real children. (it could happen though)
Agreed that it isn't/shouldn't be socially acceptable.
Well i guess all these popular Japanese vtubers are pedos then https://postimg.cc/kBRm2g13
Those vtubers know their audience has a lot of loli lovers so the Vtubers pander to that audience.
They said they like loli. I guess they're all pedos now. Or maybe just maybe they can differentiate fiction from reality
They're lying to pander to all the pedos in their audience.
Hey man if you feel like going around throwing "pedo" around at people, over cartoons then go ahead then. .
Over cartoons depicting child pornography. Don’t leave out the most pertinent detail.
The way you dillute the word Pedo sickens me
It's not a dilution of the word "pedo" to refer to men who masturbate to cartoon depictions of children.
It does make YOU look like a pedo to make that argument, though.
Deviant sexual arousal is literally the strongest indicator of becoming an offender. The more you experience it the more likely an individual is to become a sex offender.
Stop making false equivalences
There are some fictions too dangerous to be permitted.
Some ideas gain power when expressed, over the speaker and the listener both. To avoid giving power to the evil, some fantasies should not be entertained.
Its been around since anime has been around which is literally decades. Japan has lower child sexual abuse rates than the west. https://postimg.cc/Xr7Fgwrw
Honestly though it was a mistake for anime to become mainstream in America. When Americans are involved with anything there's always drama.
It's weird because there's clearly some anime / game to troon pipelines at work here, but Japan doesn't have that particular problem. It's almost like the West is already an extremely sick society in general.
I don't think it's anime to troon pipeline, but social outcast to troon pipeline. It just happens that anime is a media enjoyed by social outcasts.
This Constitution is fit only for a just and moral people. It would be dangerous to any other.
You degenerates lack the ability to self-regulate, so when you hear that an idea should not be given voice, you automatically assume that restriction is imposed by external force rather than self-control.
Neither Conservatism nor Liberalism will save you from your nature, base animal.
In some circles they're known as MJWs. Moral Justice Warriors. The rights mirror image of Social Justice Warriors. And as with SJWs, they are not interested in actual justice, they just want to rile up a mob to be angry at things they personally don't like.
Buy more ammo. You're gonna be shooting in both directions if and when this all pops off.
Not them, but yes. Gladly.
If telling you that it is dangerous to your own psyche to entertain degeneracy is "using morality as a cudgel", I'd hate to see what kind of linguistic lapdance you're looking for as a "guide to help people".
You are sick, and the only way for you to get well is to stop. indulging. the. fantasy. before. it. consumes. you.
Telling you to stop jerking off to fictional kids before you start jerking off to real ones is no different than a doctor telling a 300-lb man to stop eating before he becomes a 500-lb man.
Pursuing sick fantasies makes manifesting a sick reality inevitable.
The lolicon issue that a lot of conservatives are trying to start by linking it to trans is a non-starter and to their detriment. Plus it alienates those who hold conservative opinions but like anime.
Lolicon works off a separation of reality and fiction. You can do WHATEVER you want to a drawing, it's a drawing it has no agency but ask the majority of lolicons if they think kids should be sexually active and they'll beat the shit out of you...if they can some really need to exercise more.
Trans LIVES in fiction, thinking that gender can be changed like clothes and that sex is an entitlement to all INCLUDING children with how much they try to include kids in their activities.
Trying to conflate lolicon and trans is like conflating Jews and Muslims. You are taking two groups that hate each other to be both pissed at you and see you as the enemy.
That's their plan. It was the "anime Right" that bent the trad-Right's arm into something that was, big shock, palatable to people again because it didn't have a stick up its ass anymore. The tradcuck boomers didn't like that, so here they are driving wedges into their own side to restore their precious moral purity.
This is the equivalent of trannies saying “you’re genociding us” because we won’t use their pronouns. Disliking lolicon (aka animated child porn) doesn’t mean you dislike anime. I happen to enjoy a lot of anime, and I think lolicon is 100% child porn.
yea, pornography and rampant hedonism are very republican values...
A lot of fucking weirdos are into lolis. It's pedo shit if you jack off to lolis. It just is. Lolis are explicitly designed to appeal to pedos.
I watch anime a lot. My GF is Japanese. It's very transparent that there are a significant number of characters inserted into some shows purely to appeal to fetishes so that the show will sell more to those fetishists. Lolis are designed to appeal to pedos. The more recent "imoto" fetish is a combination of pedophilia & incest. Even Black Clover - a mainstream big title - has a protagonist character who is openly sexually into his little sister.
X: doubt. Not if they're being honest.
This particular tranny is also into lolis. Sexually. Not because he thinks they're cute, but because he likes to masturbate to them. And he does it enough to proudly say it in public. That doesn't mean ALL trannies are like that, but the simple fact is that mentally ill people have comorbidities, so a tranny is much more likely to be into lolis or other forms of sexual deviancy when compared to just a normal sane person.
No and no.
Lolis do not even resemble human beings, let alone human children. Japanese and Japanese-styled art DOMINATES the erotic space while the realism of western art has been utterly sidelined. We haven't seen a millennial Boris Vallejo or Frank Frazetta because eroticism in that style just doesn't sell any more. The Japs blew it the fuck away and relegated it to western women's romance novel book covers.
The overwhelming majority of people jacking off to drawings aren't looking for realism. That's WHY they're jacking off to drawings.
Lolis are 100% intended to resemble human children, just like adult anime women with big tits are intended to resemble human adult women. It doesn't matter that they are not photo-realistic. There is a reason that human males get hard dicks for big anime titties but not for the cast of the Pixar movies Cars or Finding Nemo.
Lolis are carefully crafted to have traits that pedophiles will get triggered by & sexually aroused by. That's why they exist. Same with many other fetish bait tropes like Moe, Tsunderes, Yanderes, and all the others. This is especially true in harem anime but it leaks into mainstream titles as well since the Japanese are taught that putting this shit in their anime = more sales.
A pedo who masturbates to "unrealistic" lolis is still a pedo. I really don't care if you want to argue "b-b-but he's an ethical pedo because he doesn't go after real cp!" I DON'T CARE. HE IS STILL A PEDO. which is all I said to begin with.
They are not just 'not photorealistic', they do not even have human proportions. You're screaming 'pedophile!' at people jacking off to something that looks NOTHING like a human child and has a facial structure literally closer to that of a kitten than a human being.
Your opinions on this are transparently those of an artistic illiterate who has never drawn anything in his life and has zero understanding of or care for how character design/proportion plays with people's brains to create pleasing illusions of things that are simply not there.
This statement is your entire position, sI'm going to succinctly break down how retarded this statement is by translating it into plain English:
'A person who masturbates to something that looks nothing like a human child is a person who is sexually attracted to human children'.
I think you literally just want to fuck lolis & you're taking this all very personally.
Even if that were true, which that user has consistently denied, it wouldn't change his systematic dissection of your retarded argument.
I'm not into loli art.
You are really doing all you can to dilute the language, aren't you? The word "pedo" is gonna have as much meaning as the word "racist" when you're done with it. And I say that as someone who made the comment yesterday, before this thread even was posted, that actual pedos deserve the wood chipper.
this pedo apologism shit is so widespread here on kia2 one wonders if it's a psyop.
jacking it to kids: horrendous! how can leftism do this?
jacking it to digital art of kids: wow, stop cramping my style libtard, she COULD be a 900 year old dragon even though i jack it to her because she looks and acts like a kid.
It's very obvious why it's here if you think about it for two seconds. The core mission statement of KIA has always been "Stop fucking with my games/tv/movies/anime" and yet here come the puritans, with intent to try and fuck with anime, and they wonder why people get their backs up.
equating no longer having spiteful mutants fuck with our media to wanting sexy kids in that media makes about as much sense as lumping any criticism of, say, the CIA, in with flat earth reptillian Q people.
in other words, it's a poisoning of the well, it's pedophillic kookification. "free speech means i get to jack it to kids".
let me tell you something: i don't really approve of all the people wanting women with big tits in every game and show out there. i think it's hedonistic, it depraves society and the character of the consumer, and it's basically adjacent to pornography, which does those former things tenfold.
but, i get it when people say that they want women with big tits. i'm heterosexual, i too like that, and between that and having 400kg negress muttoid abominations in my media, i'll take the japanese women with the big tits.
what i won't ever get is why you would seriously, as a supposedly sane and healthy person, want sexualized little kids in your media. it is only pedophiles that want that, and pedophiles are insane, unhealthy, and deserve the rope. it is that simple. waiting for one to actually abuse a kid when they tell you upfront they're a pedophile (by, for instance, saying they like drawings of sexy naked kids...) is just too stupid to be a natural occurrence among so-called free-thinkers.
Why, because it's a single point of failure that is relatively easy to defend. Note I said relatively. It till takes some doing. If you cede it suddenly you have the axiom "some drawings are not okay". Now the question is who decides which drawings are ok, where the line is, an half a dozen other fronts you now have to defend if you don't want things you enjoy censored or banned.
I instead, prefer to stick to the principle "it's a drawing, it's fiction, it's free speech, it should be defended." It's one point of failure. It's not always an easy point to defend, but if it goes down, the mess is yet unforseen.
I guess kia2 gets a lot of fringe refugees but I honestly didn't notice pro-loli types until now.
You can stop trying to make that link now as I made a post 3 months ago discussing it
TDLR: we aren't defending it, we are using loli as a canary in the coal mine. EVERY action taken to 'stop this pedopholic artwork' has then been used to stamp out free speech (payment processors refusing service, refusal to allow content despite meeting tos etc)
Basically it's our new Alex Jones metric of how the government wants to fuck you.
They've been lurking about for a while now. They are most visible when a new platform like Gab or Parler ban loli. It's just free speech, man. Don't force your outdated beliefs on everything.
"They" have been here since the beginning dude. This board has its roots in shitting on trash journalism related to video games, anime, and other pop culture. If anything, the boomer moral justice warrior puritans are the outsiders. As seen by them getting shit on so hard in this thread.
Need I remind you that #GamerGate started on 4chan > 8chan, where several loli boards were prominent parts of the community? Where half of our anime avatar brigade on Twitter used loli characters? Where we occasionally spammed lolis at people on social media to piss off pedos and smug journos? Fuck one of the spinoff sites is literally named "smug lolis."
The ones "lurking about" are these latecomer normalfags.
Lolicon isn't about kids it's about body type. Don't get me wrong, there's a LOT of stuff where it's clearly kids but it's focused on Asian attraction of youth so it's how you get the '900 year old vampire loli' archetype. They have the youthful look but the maturity of your average milf, you want examples look up Rory Mercury from GATE or Yue from Arifureta.
In regards to his tweets some of them not including the loli stuff is a product of their time. It was made in the era when we were WAY more edgy and this was popular song. Unless we want to fall in to the trap of removing cultural context while critiquing history, it's also a none starter.
The tweets with any regarding his kids and very disturbing comments are fair game even if we were back in the Filthy Frank era as 1. It uses a real kid 2. Uses a person they are in close proximity too. That's just disturbing.
Also ask dev from SFO about these trannies and lolicon, they tried to cancel him and claim he was a pedo because he liked anime and said lolicon was a non issue. They ironically stopped when they started praising Chris and Dev pointed out that he liked lolicon.
Its almost like people forget that loli was part of otaku culture for decades and nobody gave a shit at all about it last time if you said you like loli. it was only recently that people starting crying about it. Which has also accelerated to even calling things like Uzuki chan "pedo bait"
The fact that a short but with HUGE tits college student is considered 'pedo bait' by this crowd yet Cuties is artistic tells the entire story.
i stopped taking them seriously when i saw there was more people whining about anime than there was people talking about actual kids doing sexualized dances on tiktok.i've seen tweets that whine about lolis get more likes than tweets that talk about actual problems
Can you name anyone in “this crowd” that considered Cuties artistic and acceptable? The college student if it’s the one I’m thinking of was due to a clear physiognomy that left her face structurally looking like a prepubescent girl which would be clearly disturbing for some to think about sexually, especially those with children. Oh, and Loli is indeed creepy pedo shit. Kinda why self proclaimed pedos are the main consumers of Loli.
If you mean twitter freaks, yeah a lot of them did defend cuties using the fact 'their parents consented to them being in the film' as an excuse while they later go with the argument that lolicon is bad as 'a drawing can't consent'
It's either full retardation or utterly devoid of morality to argue that.
Yeah dipshit because clearly the people on here who do not support loli are twitter freaks
She is literally depicted as an adult. Stop obfuscating using idiots calling non loli, loli as an example of why loli is okay. It is plainly disingenuous
Source: "Trust me bro." Just admit that you got baited into moral outrage, faggot.
Oh? The pedo defending masturbating to cartoon children is calling ME a faggot?
Hahahahah, you fucking degenerate.
You disgust me, pervert.
That's like saying that denouncing Lolita would alienate people who like War and Peace - just because they're both Russian literature doesn't mean people are going to like both or neither.
You need to seperate the sexual side from the actual body type when discussing lolicon. It's been a part of anime for decades.
To go ' this thing you do in your media that does not directly harm anyone, you should stop doing it because I don't like it' is right out of a leftist playbook.
Don't fall into the trap of saying something shouldn't exist when it doesn't directly harm anyone to make it. I'd be more concerned with AI made stuff ...
Nobody is talking about depictions of children in normal media. Stop it with this Motte and Bailey nonsense.
I assumed this topic was only about the sexual content.
How very naiive. Give an inch, they will take a mile.
Honestly it's probably not a big mistake to conflate them for scare-points from a political standpoint. There's not a lolicon voting bloc. It's an extreme niche.
Loli "fans" should understand this. There is a such thing as fetishes and kinks that AREN'T part of a normal healthy society and should be kept in the closet. If only the faggots had accepted that decades ago and didn't decide to make sexuality part of their identity.
Most of the ones I know that either enjoy the content or defend it's right to exist DO understand it, it's just the left constantly throwing lolicon like they're flares and the right goes for the decoy.
They'd be happy to be left alone, not harming anyone in their corners like they have for decades but with the popularity of anime and manga nowadays, they're seen as the weakest point to attack in order to infiltrate the wider industry.
I'm not saying it should be out in the public or paraded around proudly. I'm saying it should not be disallowed because many people find it unpleasant. You can say oh but that isn't what we are talking about but that doesn't matter. But as others pointed out lolicon is like the Alex Jones of this subniche. If it goes then there's no telling what happens next. As there has been a large effort to fling shit at lolicon in western circles where it was largely ignored before, and payment processors threatening sites like pixiv over it, it shouldn't be a surprise that any excessive criticism is met with harsh pushback.
You don't like loli? Totally cool.
You think it shouldn't be generally accepted out in the open? I agree.
But when you (and not you specifically, but others in this thread) lead with retarded shit like if you like loli then you're a pedo, or liking loli turns you into a pedo, then expect massive pushback.
I like anime you pedo fag that does not mean I therefore like loli
You done screaming like a blue hair into the void on some old post everyone moved on from? Nice framing when I never said you had to 'like loli' to like anime only that its been a part of anime for years and has harmed less real kids than a standard nickelodeon production.
If you come at me immediately trying to label me shit, expect me to treat you like shit.
I do like the discourse here, there's a lot of intelligent users that make great contributions. And if this thread is any indicator, the moral justice warrior boomer types who crusade over fictional children haven't taken over the board; if anything they're still a minority.
That being said, you're totally correct. The high level of discourse attracts a crowd that is wider in scope than the actual purpose of the board, and we have to be careful that this doesn't lead to the board's downfall.
Please note that the shoes are child sized. He went out and purchased them for his son.
Woodchipper. Straight into the woodchipper.
He said that when people didnt care so much loli at the time.
Imagine thinking that masturbating to little anime kids was somehow socially acceptable in 2016.
Lol i dont know if you have a memory of a goldfish but people definitely didn't go in to complete hysterics over loli back then like they do now. .
Because they didn’t know what it was. As lolicon has penetrated into mainstream understanding, more and more people have correctly identified it as child porn.
Lolicon is not child pornography. Full stop. If you cannot delibeate between reality and imagined fictional acts then I have to ask you about your belief in trans genocide and other political fictions.
I think these idiots might believe loli is actually a word for "hentai with child characters" instead of a character archetype for short women.
Lmao what the fuck do you think it is? Clearly we are talking about pornographic depictions because no one but people that watch cartoon children in anime porn use the term loli anyway.
Just because Yanks bastardised the term for their own usage doesn't change the definition. You are literally an ignorant foreigner misunderstanding a Japanese word because online debates have swung in that direction. Muddying a term until it's useless or deviates enough from the original meaning to confuse arguments is the left's greatest tactic.
Loli in anime doesn't actually refer to child porn- not even drawn. It's literally a type of character like muscle-man, thug, hero, Gal/Ganguro, and specifically evokes certain kinds of tropes.
There are a lot of people in this thread who I have never seen post before.
Almost makes one wonder what drew them to this thread specifically.
If they had organic engagement, you'd see these names elsewhere. You look at the history, and half of them haven't had a post in the last month that doesn't have the word "loli" in it.
Yeah, creeped me the fuck out. It's a bunch of pedos who are possibly in denial about being pedos, or they are arguing in bad faith to normalize lolicons full well knowing that it has an expression of pedophilia.
I argue plenty from a legal perspective that calling sexual attraction to age 14-17 is not pedophilia, because it literally is not under the DSM V as well as criminal law. I have been called a pedo many times on reddit for this, even though I'm objectively just correct & fighting against the term pedophile being watered down.
I don't see lolicon the same way at all. These cartoons are intended to represent very young children & appeal to sexual attraction from pedos. I can't imagine why anyone's dick would be getting hard to a cartoon child unless they're a pedo.
I love how the comments have just devolved into arguing about fictional fucking cartoon characters. It's all so predictable. Many such cases.
Warms my heart to see the moral justice warriors crusading over fictional children getting blown the fuck out in the comments. Seems we haven't had too many users trickle in from patriots.win to dilute the sentiment of the board yet.
Andy's reaching here like his granpa for the last American helicopter out of the old country.
Considering the number of vocal anti-loli activists who got caught with CP over the years, I honestly, genuinely don't know who you're talking about. XD
That wasn't an "ackshually, you're the pedos" comment; it's genuinely hard to tell which side you're on from your 1st comment devoid of other context- I just found that amusing.
I think the argument that things you think in your head directly correlate to things you want or desire to do in real life is beyond silly. I've jerked it to lesbians/3-somes, but I'd never want to deal with more than 1 woman at a time in real life. I could entertain plenty of other fetishes like anal, but not want to partake in it in real-life.
Don't care what you think; I'm stealing that.
That's where I disagree. Steampunk_moustache made an excellent comment about how you can make the fictional depiction attractive while the real world thing remains unattractive. Just because you watch porn with fat or ugly women doesn't mean you'd want to date them. The more stylised the depiction, the easier it is to disassociate it with the real world thing it represents.
Honestly, if you're okay with fictional murder, you shouldn't care about fictional rape either.
Steampunk is a retarded pedophile
He's not the "retard" who can't make a coherent argument. He might not even like or support loli, but we all know where this goes with free speech, so we defend it even if it's objectionable. Ban porn, not loli (before you say anything, YES, that means drawn porn too, but NO, loli is not drawn porn of little girls).
Brilliant argument. I know I'm convinced. Keep at the "videogames cause violence" rhetoric, I'm sure you'll get DnD banned one of these days.
Yes, I'll keep living in my deranged world, but every once in a while I'll delve into fantasy where neither I nor anyone else can be hurt because it's fictional.
A lot of closet pedophiles turned out to be anti-lolis, including but not limited to:
I listened to all the Seth shit, and I never knew he was ever anti-loli.
Not Sseth. Different person.