Biden and the jackass who told him not to shoot it down (probably CCP agent Milley or our diversity hire defense secretary) should be hung for treason for letting this farce go on for 3 fucking days.
It's wrong to say they should be hung. The proper phrasing is that they should be hanged.
I obviously agree, but good luck getting any court to actually try them.
Why? Treason is a federal crime for which one of the possible punishments is death, and could theoretically include willfully allowing a spy balloon to gather intelligence by flying over US territory. It's not a definite case of treason, and not all cases of treason result in the death penalty, but calling this a glowpost seems silly. A glowpost would be "we should go hang Biden and and the jackass who told him not to shoot it down for treason," as that would be advocating violence. This is advocating the application of law.
You really don't want to be giving the security state ammunition to go after you or the platform you're posting on. It's probably legal speech under SCOTUS precedent, but they've gone after platforms for much less than this.
The law does not allow for summary hangings. Whether intended or not, it can be read as advocating for mob justice, as it states the 'should' rather unconditionally.
Note where you Fall on the security/freedom scale, you act out of fear when ever a potential “current event” arises as temporarily problematic for your precious site
Don’t lie, I was banned for merely suggesting the fbi were similar to British redcoats in a meme. You act irrationally and fearfully whenever a potential issue arises.
Whether you intended it or not, it was a very reasonable reading of what you posted. You normally don't pose crazy stuff (your 'subjugation fetish' stuff excepted), so I tend to believe you.
The negative consequences will not be lessened by your intent though. Just a little bit more care to ensure that it can't be read like that. Is that too much to ask?
This guy tweets like 8 times a day, and every single one is basically either "republicans bad" "democrats good", or "orange man bad". He's either a bot or getting paychecks directly from the DNC. Either way, not human.
Honest question, did these people always think like this and Twitter just serves as a record of this stupidity or did social media make this double think worse?
Both. Stupidity is infectious, and social media encourages people to come with the most far-out takes you can. In another age and time, this guy would be having a conversation with a Republican friend, and it'd go something like this:
GOP: "You heard about the balloon? Looks like they finally shot it down. I don't understand why it took this long."
Dem: "Apparently, the military said that they were attempting to avoid damage on the ground."
GOP: "I guess that's fair. But it seems pretty absurd how they just let it cross the entire length of the US."
Dem: "Yeah, they handled it rather poorly."
The complexity of shooting down an invading object in airspace over our territorial waters on the west coast. And not letting it roam free over the continent
No no no, you need to get creative with this. Just start a 'genuine Africa' campaign showcasing the horrors of slavery and just set it to an unguided, "uncensored" tour of Liberia, a bastion of democracy and utopia created by freed slaves. The leftards will pay you to go.
That dude's girlfriend, if he has one, is probably banging a bull right now.. if hes gay, which he looks like one, his boyfriend probably banging a bull.
At maximum altitude it is something like 35 km up, two microns thick and filled with low pressure gas. It is very slightly more substantial than a cloud.
Poking a little hole in it will only allow gas exchange by diffusion. That is, very, very slowly. It won't pop like a latex party balloon!
Who said anything about 'poking a little hole'? High explosives with flak would rend it asunder. The array it was hauling was also a pretty big target.
So flack is launched from Anti-Aircraft Artillery. Got any laying about? How about AAA with the capability of hitting targets at an altitude of 35 km?
As for proximity fused cannon shells; cool! you are shooting at a cloud. Proximity to what?
Two fighter jets strafed the balloon with anti-aircraft cannons and it didn't care. It was eventually shot down with an air burst of a guided missile. That would be hundreds of thousands of dollars of ordinance.
The array was an insignificant target compared to the balloon, which was about the size of a football stadium at that point; Moreover shooting the array would not bring the balloon down.
It was eventually shot down with an air burst of a guided missile.
This is what I was talking about. They could have done this the moment it entered US airspace, instead of waiting for it to complete it's mission when it made its way to the goddamn Atlantic. the hell are you being such a pedantic faggot?
It was a feat that could have easily been achieved should the Chief of Staff had the political will and the willingness to drop a few million bucks on a sortie of modern air-superiority fighters and ordinance.
I'd go further, and say that the reason they didn't shoot it down in flyover country is because of the splash it would have made on the internet.
A few million bucks in ordinance is chump change compared to the damage it could have caused if it detonated an EMP over important infrastructure, or dispersed a bioweapon. The intelligence it gathered for China was likely worth well over a few million, too. By allowing it to travel across the entire continental US it was a declaration to China that we won't defend our airspace. This was a probing attack, and it was a resounding success for China.
Quick question. How are you going to fire a missile at something that a) doesn't have a friend-or-foe transponder signal, and b) also doesn't have the heat any significant heat signature?
You do what they did: design an anti-balloon missile to shoot at it, the majority of which are not readily deployable for combat because no one typically engages in combat with balloons.
It's a floating ball filled with air. You don't need specialized weapons to shoot at it, pretty much any sort of projectile will take it down. Missiles can be fired at things without signatures.
It's not going to be filled with air, otherwise it isn't going to float properly at 65,000 feet. You have to hit the thing. Most air to air weapons aren't designed to fight balloons, because nobody fights balloons (except on the off occasion that they need to fight a balloon).
You are wrong enough that you prompted me to make an account.
The Air Force could have used an AIM-120 AMRAAM with its active radar guidance to target the large radar cross section of the balloon's gondola. They didn't.
They could have used an AGM-114 Hellfire laser guided missile following the beam of a ground based laser designator to hit the balloon's envelope. The Israelis have used this ground attack missile to target slow moving aircraft before. The Air Force didn't use this.
According to the Wall Street Journal, they used an infrared seeking AIM-9X Sidewinder missile.
I'm not linking it, but they headline is "Pentagon Used Its Highest-End Fighter, Reliable Missile to Down Chinese Balloon."
The untargetable super balloon spy platform was burst by a missile that has been in service for 20 years from a family of munitions that have been in service for 67 years.
It's wrong to say they should be hung. The proper phrasing is that they should be hanged.
I obviously agree, but good luck getting any court to actually try them.
You're correct, that's an error I make sometimes because I don't use the phrasing often. I usually say something like "deserves the rope".
This is a glowpost, and I suggest you remove it.
Why? Treason is a federal crime for which one of the possible punishments is death, and could theoretically include willfully allowing a spy balloon to gather intelligence by flying over US territory. It's not a definite case of treason, and not all cases of treason result in the death penalty, but calling this a glowpost seems silly. A glowpost would be "we should go hang Biden and and the jackass who told him not to shoot it down for treason," as that would be advocating violence. This is advocating the application of law.
You really don't want to be giving the security state ammunition to go after you or the platform you're posting on. It's probably legal speech under SCOTUS precedent, but they've gone after platforms for much less than this.
The law does not allow for summary hangings. Whether intended or not, it can be read as advocating for mob justice, as it states the 'should' rather unconditionally.
Note where you Fall on the security/freedom scale, you act out of fear when ever a potential “current event” arises as temporarily problematic for your precious site
Which is why it still exists. Which is a tiny bit more important than your 'right' to call for the hanging of the POTUS.
Today on AoV being a whiny cuck.
Tbh maybe it's time you gave this place up and went back to reddit to moderate kia1, looks like you'll fit right in there these days.
Because you're an irresponsible retard?
Slow tap...
Serious question; why are you such a bootlicker?
You're a glowpost.
Your mom is a glow post!
Milley committed treason. From his own damned mouth he committed treason
Would it still be a glowpost if I edited the part about giving them the rope? Suggesting that they're not traitors isn't really reasonable here.
I think it should be fine if 'hung' is just replaced with 'indicted' or something.
Don’t lie, I was banned for merely suggesting the fbi were similar to British redcoats in a meme. You act irrationally and fearfully whenever a potential issue arises.
Remember when he privated r/kia2 for the entire 2020 election season? I remember.
You knew full well what you were doing, or at least what it sounded like. That it's OK to shoot at the FBI.
It was a meme of Christopher Wray in a redcoat outfit. No where did I suggest or even elaborate violence.
Whether you intended it or not, it was a very reasonable reading of what you posted. You normally don't pose crazy stuff (your 'subjugation fetish' stuff excepted), so I tend to believe you.
The negative consequences will not be lessened by your intent though. Just a little bit more care to ensure that it can't be read like that. Is that too much to ask?
People used to lynch commie scum like yourself.
Die mad.
I'm counting on it.
One furry fewer is always a good thing.
This guy tweets like 8 times a day, and every single one is basically either "republicans bad" "democrats good", or "orange man bad". He's either a bot or getting paychecks directly from the DNC. Either way, not human.
Wow. Just wow
The science CHANGED.
Honest question, did these people always think like this and Twitter just serves as a record of this stupidity or did social media make this double think worse?
Both. Stupidity is infectious, and social media encourages people to come with the most far-out takes you can. In another age and time, this guy would be having a conversation with a Republican friend, and it'd go something like this:
GOP: "You heard about the balloon? Looks like they finally shot it down. I don't understand why it took this long."
Dem: "Apparently, the military said that they were attempting to avoid damage on the ground."
GOP: "I guess that's fair. But it seems pretty absurd how they just let it cross the entire length of the US."
Dem: "Yeah, they handled it rather poorly."
It was "shot down" after it completed its purpose had already been served.
It went something like this
Phone on Xi's desk rings
Xi: Wassup Beijing.
Biden: Wassup Beijing, sir, the balloon has been discovered, may we shoot it down?
Xi: No, not yet. (Hangs up.)
3 days later
Xi: You may shoot it down now, but off the coast for plausible deniability.
Biden: Okay, thank you.
Xi: What?
Biden: Thank you, sir.
Xi: Good. (Hangs up)
Trust the experts!
EDIT: It's absolute genius. These two tweets came right after each other.
38 minutes to be exact it is right there in screenshot
I'm more interested in the views as I think Twitter hasn't managed to purge all the bots yet..
There's something.. uncanny about this account. It doesn't sound like a real person his age.
A clear example of an NPC.
considering the caliber of some of the more prominent military members, yeah, i do.
The complexity of shooting down an invading object in airspace over our territorial waters on the west coast. And not letting it roam free over the continent
Could easily have shot it down over Alaska when it was discovered a week ago.
Not even an hour later for an about face.
Good news! There is actually a way!
You seal them in a virtual sandboxed envrionment run by ai...
hey that'd make a good movie!
Just give every leftist a free helicopter ride, or deport them all to africa, and don't let them back in. It would save us a lot of problems.
No no no, you need to get creative with this. Just start a 'genuine Africa' campaign showcasing the horrors of slavery and just set it to an unguided, "uncensored" tour of Liberia, a bastion of democracy and utopia created by freed slaves. The leftards will pay you to go.
Ahh, the difference 38 minutes makes.
These are just bots at this point.
https://nitter.nl/DefiantLs/status/1621980643608363008
That dude's girlfriend, if he has one, is probably banging a bull right now.. if hes gay, which he looks like one, his boyfriend probably banging a bull.
💄Lipstick Milley knows how to put on a good dogface...
Fraud ruins EVERYTHING.
Ideologues! Aren't they grand?
Yes, people like this exist in the real world. Yes, they are stupid hateful people. Yes, these ideologues are in control of the social narrative.
Pity there wasn't a way to capture it.
It’s amazing how much can change in about a half hour.
It genuinely is hard to shoot down these spy baloons. They aren't like normal aircraft. Hence, why it took so long.
Considering it was also being tailed by ELINT aircraft pretty much the entire way, I am sure there was more going on than we are privy to.
If we can make defense systems that can intercept missiles flying at hundreds of miles an hour, we should be able to hit a big slow moving balloon.
It isn't hitting it that is the issue.
At maximum altitude it is something like 35 km up, two microns thick and filled with low pressure gas. It is very slightly more substantial than a cloud.
Poking a little hole in it will only allow gas exchange by diffusion. That is, very, very slowly. It won't pop like a latex party balloon!
Who said anything about 'poking a little hole'? High explosives with flak would rend it asunder. The array it was hauling was also a pretty big target.
So flack is launched from Anti-Aircraft Artillery. Got any laying about? How about AAA with the capability of hitting targets at an altitude of 35 km?
As for proximity fused cannon shells; cool! you are shooting at a cloud. Proximity to what?
Two fighter jets strafed the balloon with anti-aircraft cannons and it didn't care. It was eventually shot down with an air burst of a guided missile. That would be hundreds of thousands of dollars of ordinance.
The array was an insignificant target compared to the balloon, which was about the size of a football stadium at that point; Moreover shooting the array would not bring the balloon down.
This is what I was talking about. They could have done this the moment it entered US airspace, instead of waiting for it to complete it's mission when it made its way to the goddamn Atlantic. the hell are you being such a pedantic faggot?
In that case I agree.
It was a feat that could have easily been achieved should the Chief of Staff had the political will and the willingness to drop a few million bucks on a sortie of modern air-superiority fighters and ordinance.
I'd go further, and say that the reason they didn't shoot it down in flyover country is because of the splash it would have made on the internet.
A few million bucks in ordinance is chump change compared to the damage it could have caused if it detonated an EMP over important infrastructure, or dispersed a bioweapon. The intelligence it gathered for China was likely worth well over a few million, too. By allowing it to travel across the entire continental US it was a declaration to China that we won't defend our airspace. This was a probing attack, and it was a resounding success for China.
They exist, they just aren't readily available.
You're right, it isn't like a plane. It's very large, moves slowly, and in a completely predictable fashion. Very difficult to hit.
Quick question. How are you going to fire a missile at something that a) doesn't have a friend-or-foe transponder signal, and b) also doesn't have the heat any significant heat signature?
You do what they did: design an anti-balloon missile to shoot at it, the majority of which are not readily deployable for combat because no one typically engages in combat with balloons.
It's a floating ball filled with air. You don't need specialized weapons to shoot at it, pretty much any sort of projectile will take it down. Missiles can be fired at things without signatures.
It's not going to be filled with air, otherwise it isn't going to float properly at 65,000 feet. You have to hit the thing. Most air to air weapons aren't designed to fight balloons, because nobody fights balloons (except on the off occasion that they need to fight a balloon).
You are wrong enough that you prompted me to make an account.
The Air Force could have used an AIM-120 AMRAAM with its active radar guidance to target the large radar cross section of the balloon's gondola. They didn't.
They could have used an AGM-114 Hellfire laser guided missile following the beam of a ground based laser designator to hit the balloon's envelope. The Israelis have used this ground attack missile to target slow moving aircraft before. The Air Force didn't use this.
According to the Wall Street Journal, they used an infrared seeking AIM-9X Sidewinder missile.
I'm not linking it, but they headline is "Pentagon Used Its Highest-End Fighter, Reliable Missile to Down Chinese Balloon."
The untargetable super balloon spy platform was burst by a missile that has been in service for 20 years from a family of munitions that have been in service for 67 years.
Ha! Gotcha bitch!
Now you have to contribute more instead of lurking, or I'll say more stupid things!