Ross Mtangi, a trading executive at Credit Suisse Group AG , left his Manhattan penthouse in March 2021 with his laptop and told his pregnant partner he was going to work. Mr. Mtangi, 40 years old, missed a follow up meeting. His sister and her partner found him dead at the hotel the next day. Police found on a table translucent black baggies that contained lethal fentanyl mixed in with the cocaine.
In the East Village, first-year lawyer Julia Ghahramani, 26, texted the same delivery service the same day. She also died. She had just started her career remotely at Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP.
Social worker Amanda Scher, 38, did the same. She died in the Greenwich Village apartment she shared with her Chihuahua-Corgi rescue dog. It was a stone’s throw from where she had received her master’s degree at New York University.
The average coke user is apparently very diverse now
“Julia was a driven professional with everything to live for. Never in a billion years would she have touched anything with fentanyl,” he said. “This is like putting bullets in people’s brains.”
You may not like it, but there is a sliding scale of degeneracy
Alcohol, weed, prescription painkillers and valium, prescription 'study aids', party drugs, the kinda shit that fucks you right up like meth. There's a pecking order, and people with an issue with one will look down on people below them on 'harder' or 'nastier' drugs. Not entirely without reason either, the heirarchy makes sense.
Lol, coke is the line for “hard drugs” it would be easier to say weed is less degenerate than coke than your statement as weed doesn’t have the same transitory drug percentages. When someone is willing to do coke they are far more likely to abuse other drugs as well.
I'm not sure. Most coke users I know would draw the line at coke, largely due to image. Coke is a sophisticated drug in the eyes of many users, who wouldn't dare lower themselves to heroin or anything harder. Saying that, it was once a middle class drug in my country, yet now it's mainstream; there's as many coke users as weed smokers these days.
Coke users are faggots and you are too if keep defending them. Coke is right there next to meth and heroin in the "don't fucking touch this if you enjoy leading a normal life" drug category.
Yup. Heroin junkies, crackheads, and meth heads. All of them will lie to and steal from their own friends and family. In some cases even commit murder for more drugs.
Older generations used to just sit on the front porch and just enjoy "being". Whatever that was, I think we've lost it. Now we need to escape by removing us from reality, dumbing down our senses or getting lost in fictional worlds. We are no longer capable of just being at peace with ourselves.
Yeah, but when you've been getting your speed from a pharmacy it's a big step down to have to get it from some guy with an animal nickname in a back alley somewhere. Especially if you're some white-collar college student who has no idea how to do so without getting robbed.
Probably either a tiny room in a flat shared with 3 others, or more likely given the NYU masters she was living in grandma's flat and the coke was bought with daddy's money.
Someone smarten me up on fentanyl. I know that very small doses can be lethal and I keep seeing stories where people die from other drugs tainted with fentanyl without their knowledge.
Are there actual recreational drug users of fentanyl in and of itself and they just have to keep the dose super small? Why are dealers putting it in other drugs? Seems to me that killing your customers is a bad business decision and attracts attention from the cops.
Fentanyl is like a stronger heroin. Apparently it's cheaper than cocaine, and more addictive. It makes sense to want to add it to cocaine to boost addiction and sales.
To add to that, what happened is people got hooked on really strong opioids that were made for prescription. That shit used to be widely, widely available, and if you couldn't just get an Rx you could make it from commonly available substances in a WalMart bathroom if you had to.
The government really cracked down on that. Not just the US government, but governments of places where opioids were being mass produced controlled the supply of precursors.
So you have a bunch of addicted people all of the sudden hurting for a fix. They started doing heroin, but the government even cracked down on that. Slash supply and demand made it expensive. So enter fentanyl. Can be mass produced in China and smuggled in. Ridiculously potent, so those shipments go a long way.
Junkies will do anything for a fix. It's absurdly hard to kick.
Uh-huh. Here in Canada, up to 8 mg of codeine can be had over-the-counter (Tylenol 1s). They started tracking this a few years ago, so that people can't go from store to store collecting a million of the things; that's how a lot of people here got hooked.
You can still get T1s over the counter, though. But I doubt they sell it in lots of 100 and 200 any more, like they used to.
Many poisons have a very thin line between "effective" and "lethal dose". Even aspirin can give you liver damage if you take merely one or two pills more than the recommended daily dose, if you're a smaller person.
If they're hardcore addicts, they've developed a resistance and take both more to get a high, and to be injured from too much. But if they're small, the dosage must also be less. Balance it out with pen and paper, and make sure the crackhead knows to not take two hits in X hours, it's honestly surprising to me that so few are suddenly keeling over.
Maybe the ones that die are a minority and the majority just become addicted, thus the ones that die being acceptable losses ?
Could also be a screw up on a dealer's part when mixing quantities, maybe 2 different people added the right amount of fentanyl thus doubling the recommended dose. Maybe those "customers" just were considered a liability and drug overdose is more discreet than bullet to the brain.
These customers don't seem like the high paying types that you would want to make sure you keep safe so their money keeps coming in so I don't expect their drugs to be that carefully handled.
I don’t understand why people do coke. It makes you shit! And not just garbage cut with laxatives either. A property of pure cocaine is laxative. Idiots just see it portrayed glamorously in media.
I've always said that it was popular largely due to media. It's a very expensive, yet relatively mild stimulant. I can see why people reach for it all the same, as other cheaper stimulants often have a far worse come down.
Have you ever done good coke? It's pretty awesome.
I never got hooked, but if I had a connect that could have supplied me with good coke consistently I might have. Thankfully for me, all I could really get was coke that had been stepped on God knows how many times. I still remember the last time I bought some which was about twenty years ago, I gave it away after snorting a few lines because it was worthless.
Comments like this are why I love this site. It's just real in the way a lot of other places aren't. Everyone is so afraid to speak their mind on reddit, twitter, whatever, but here you can just call a guy a faggot. It's nice.
Why would any coke dealer cut his garbage with fentanyl? The two drugs are at odds, to put it mildly.
If a dealer in cocaine and fentanyl wants to sell more fentanyl, he might be moved to dust his coke baggies with it in the deranged hope that his customers might like it, but why do it in fatal amounts and why do it without telling them?
Then again, it might be an accident in packaging.
Dealers are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Another example illustrating the need for legalization.
why do it in fatal amounts and why do it without telling them?
That's actually one of the big issues with fentanyl. The fatal dosage amount for someone who has no prior tolerance to opiates is ridiculously low. A small dusting might actually be enough.
I could sneeze in your face and the particulate levels that would enter your system, if purely fentanyl, would probably make you OD if you've never used shit like heroin or coke before.
Just a dusting of it can fuck you if you're lightweight afaik
Could be put in by the supplier rather than the dealers. Make it more addictive, and if users die, it's the dealer that gets the bad rep. Some other dealer will happily take over that turf, who will buy from the same supplier.
If I was still using cocaine, and snorted or shot a bunch of Fentanyl cut coke and survived, I would avoid that dealer for future purchases. I'd have preferred mixing my own speedballs, thank you very much.
Taking opiates and cocaine or amphetamines at the same time is not all that uncommon. The dealers likely just fucked up and used too much fentanyl, or were using what they thought was heroin and turned out to be fortified with fentanyl.
Typically, one doesn't buy speedballs ready-mixed from the dealer, but fixes the shot himself, adding the cocaine to a spoonful of dissolved junk (in this case Fentanyl).
Fentanyl isn't dangerous to judicious junkies, especially those used to using opiates like Dilaudid, with doses measured in fractions of a milligram. (Fentanyl is dosed in micrograms, which makes the grinding and shooting of bootleg Mexican pills so dangerous and in need of careful titration on the part of a user.)
Whatever, I don't give a fuck about druggies. Alcohol and weed is the limit for what I won't judge people on, anything harder than that and they can die for all I care.
A couple years back, I watched the movie "Kingsman: The Golden Circle (2017)" with my family. It's basically about widely distributed weed being spiked with a chemical that could potentially kill everyone that consumed it. At some point, you have a scene with the movie's pseudo-Trump American president saying something along those same lines: "Why would I pay a terrorist to stop him from killing a bunch of drug addicts? Good riddance." Hearing that, I was like "Well, he's not wrong."
Iirc, later on in the movie, that president gets impeached, and some female staffer that looked at him with disappointment when he made that statement is his replacement.
It was a shit movie. I don't recommend it. But it was interesting to see Elton John doing kung fu.
The average coke user is apparently very diverse now
The copium is strong
Yay, snorting coke is totally normal, guys. It's the fentanyl that's the problem here, not "normal" people habitually ordering and consuming cocaine.
You may not like it, but there is a sliding scale of degeneracy
Alcohol, weed, prescription painkillers and valium, prescription 'study aids', party drugs, the kinda shit that fucks you right up like meth. There's a pecking order, and people with an issue with one will look down on people below them on 'harder' or 'nastier' drugs. Not entirely without reason either, the heirarchy makes sense.
Coke is less degenerate than fentanyl.
Lol, coke is the line for “hard drugs” it would be easier to say weed is less degenerate than coke than your statement as weed doesn’t have the same transitory drug percentages. When someone is willing to do coke they are far more likely to abuse other drugs as well.
I'm not sure. Most coke users I know would draw the line at coke, largely due to image. Coke is a sophisticated drug in the eyes of many users, who wouldn't dare lower themselves to heroin or anything harder. Saying that, it was once a middle class drug in my country, yet now it's mainstream; there's as many coke users as weed smokers these days.
Coke users are faggots and you are too if keep defending them. Coke is right there next to meth and heroin in the "don't fucking touch this if you enjoy leading a normal life" drug category.
Laughs in opiates. Most coke users also do designer drugs like mdma.
Whatever somebody is using is where they draw the line.
Needle junkies are the lowest on the totem pole. No one in their right mind trusts them.
Methheads.
Yup. Heroin junkies, crackheads, and meth heads. All of them will lie to and steal from their own friends and family. In some cases even commit murder for more drugs.
I'd argue that jenkem and krokodil manage to be even lower.
The root of the problem is the need for escapism.
Older generations used to just sit on the front porch and just enjoy "being". Whatever that was, I think we've lost it. Now we need to escape by removing us from reality, dumbing down our senses or getting lost in fictional worlds. We are no longer capable of just being at peace with ourselves.
I hear that Americans have been freaking out over an Adderall shortage. That stuff is just glorified speed.
“Americans” in that vernacular are just shitty parents and drug addicts
Yeah, but when you've been getting your speed from a pharmacy it's a big step down to have to get it from some guy with an animal nickname in a back alley somewhere. Especially if you're some white-collar college student who has no idea how to do so without getting robbed.
Using the term "delivery service" instead of dealer, normalizes it too. It makes it sound like they got their cocaine through DoorDash.
Probably either a tiny room in a flat shared with 3 others, or more likely given the NYU masters she was living in grandma's flat and the coke was bought with daddy's money.
Right? And I guarantee she works 30 hours per week at most. Probably more like 20 or less once you subtract the hours spent browsing Twitter.
Cocaine was always kinda popular amongst lawyers.
Doctors sometimes get into the medical cocaine, too.
Yep. Also, the guy who worked for credit suisse. Cocaine is like coffee for bankers, especially in NYC.
Only 100% pure cut medical cocaine for me.
Not gonna lie medical cocaine sounds pretty great
Never can really trust what youre getting on the street
Whatever doctors get, is quality pure hospital-grade shit, though aren't they usually on more grunt-candy type things, stereotypically speaking?
It can’t be any worse off than being the emotional coping tool of a morbidly obese coke user…
The cocaine is also illicit.
"the Frogurt is also cursed"
Oh no!
Anyway-
Damn, I knew someone would beat me to it.
How long to they have to scratch their silly monkey heads for until they realize that this is just part of a controlled cull?
The soma should keep them distracted long enough
Someone smarten me up on fentanyl. I know that very small doses can be lethal and I keep seeing stories where people die from other drugs tainted with fentanyl without their knowledge.
Are there actual recreational drug users of fentanyl in and of itself and they just have to keep the dose super small? Why are dealers putting it in other drugs? Seems to me that killing your customers is a bad business decision and attracts attention from the cops.
Fentanyl is like a stronger heroin. Apparently it's cheaper than cocaine, and more addictive. It makes sense to want to add it to cocaine to boost addiction and sales.
Ah, thanks. Good explanation.
To add to that, what happened is people got hooked on really strong opioids that were made for prescription. That shit used to be widely, widely available, and if you couldn't just get an Rx you could make it from commonly available substances in a WalMart bathroom if you had to.
The government really cracked down on that. Not just the US government, but governments of places where opioids were being mass produced controlled the supply of precursors.
So you have a bunch of addicted people all of the sudden hurting for a fix. They started doing heroin, but the government even cracked down on that. Slash supply and demand made it expensive. So enter fentanyl. Can be mass produced in China and smuggled in. Ridiculously potent, so those shipments go a long way.
Junkies will do anything for a fix. It's absurdly hard to kick.
Uh-huh. Here in Canada, up to 8 mg of codeine can be had over-the-counter (Tylenol 1s). They started tracking this a few years ago, so that people can't go from store to store collecting a million of the things; that's how a lot of people here got hooked.
You can still get T1s over the counter, though. But I doubt they sell it in lots of 100 and 200 any more, like they used to.
St. Floyd has left the chat. Forever.
Many poisons have a very thin line between "effective" and "lethal dose". Even aspirin can give you liver damage if you take merely one or two pills more than the recommended daily dose, if you're a smaller person.
If they're hardcore addicts, they've developed a resistance and take both more to get a high, and to be injured from too much. But if they're small, the dosage must also be less. Balance it out with pen and paper, and make sure the crackhead knows to not take two hits in X hours, it's honestly surprising to me that so few are suddenly keeling over.
Maybe the ones that die are a minority and the majority just become addicted, thus the ones that die being acceptable losses ?
Could also be a screw up on a dealer's part when mixing quantities, maybe 2 different people added the right amount of fentanyl thus doubling the recommended dose. Maybe those "customers" just were considered a liability and drug overdose is more discreet than bullet to the brain.
These customers don't seem like the high paying types that you would want to make sure you keep safe so their money keeps coming in so I don't expect their drugs to be that carefully handled.
I don’t understand why people do coke. It makes you shit! And not just garbage cut with laxatives either. A property of pure cocaine is laxative. Idiots just see it portrayed glamorously in media.
I've always said that it was popular largely due to media. It's a very expensive, yet relatively mild stimulant. I can see why people reach for it all the same, as other cheaper stimulants often have a far worse come down.
Have you ever done good coke? It's pretty awesome.
I never got hooked, but if I had a connect that could have supplied me with good coke consistently I might have. Thankfully for me, all I could really get was coke that had been stepped on God knows how many times. I still remember the last time I bought some which was about twenty years ago, I gave it away after snorting a few lines because it was worthless.
Faggot
Comments like this are why I love this site. It's just real in the way a lot of other places aren't. Everyone is so afraid to speak their mind on reddit, twitter, whatever, but here you can just call a guy a faggot. It's nice.
It's Eric Clapton's fault.
Sounds like the beginning of a riddle
sounds like the kind of problem that solves itself
Why would any coke dealer cut his garbage with fentanyl? The two drugs are at odds, to put it mildly.
If a dealer in cocaine and fentanyl wants to sell more fentanyl, he might be moved to dust his coke baggies with it in the deranged hope that his customers might like it, but why do it in fatal amounts and why do it without telling them?
Then again, it might be an accident in packaging.
Dealers are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Another example illustrating the need for legalization.
That's actually one of the big issues with fentanyl. The fatal dosage amount for someone who has no prior tolerance to opiates is ridiculously low. A small dusting might actually be enough.
This has always puzzled me as well. I get cutting heroin with it, but coke makes no sense other than just accidents like you said.
I could sneeze in your face and the particulate levels that would enter your system, if purely fentanyl, would probably make you OD if you've never used shit like heroin or coke before.
Just a dusting of it can fuck you if you're lightweight afaik
Could be put in by the supplier rather than the dealers. Make it more addictive, and if users die, it's the dealer that gets the bad rep. Some other dealer will happily take over that turf, who will buy from the same supplier.
If I was still using cocaine, and snorted or shot a bunch of Fentanyl cut coke and survived, I would avoid that dealer for future purchases. I'd have preferred mixing my own speedballs, thank you very much.
Taking opiates and cocaine or amphetamines at the same time is not all that uncommon. The dealers likely just fucked up and used too much fentanyl, or were using what they thought was heroin and turned out to be fortified with fentanyl.
Why don't you ask River Phoenix? That was probably a good old-fashioned Speed Ball.
Saint Floyd was probably hopped up on a Goofball, which is meth and fentanyl.
I don't know why Speed Balls are popular, but they seem to have fans.
Typically, one doesn't buy speedballs ready-mixed from the dealer, but fixes the shot himself, adding the cocaine to a spoonful of dissolved junk (in this case Fentanyl).
Fentanyl isn't dangerous to judicious junkies, especially those used to using opiates like Dilaudid, with doses measured in fractions of a milligram. (Fentanyl is dosed in micrograms, which makes the grinding and shooting of bootleg Mexican pills so dangerous and in need of careful titration on the part of a user.)
Whatever, I don't give a fuck about druggies. Alcohol and weed is the limit for what I won't judge people on, anything harder than that and they can die for all I care.
good lol
Are we about to legalize coke, boys!?!?
and i should care why
Good
So basically like that one scene from Pulp Fiction but Vic Vega isn't there to save them?
A couple years back, I watched the movie "Kingsman: The Golden Circle (2017)" with my family. It's basically about widely distributed weed being spiked with a chemical that could potentially kill everyone that consumed it. At some point, you have a scene with the movie's pseudo-Trump American president saying something along those same lines: "Why would I pay a terrorist to stop him from killing a bunch of drug addicts? Good riddance." Hearing that, I was like "Well, he's not wrong."
Iirc, later on in the movie, that president gets impeached, and some female staffer that looked at him with disappointment when he made that statement is his replacement.
It was a shit movie. I don't recommend it. But it was interesting to see Elton John doing kung fu.
Improbable. Not a whole lot survives the smoking process. Not a whole lot you can burn that kills you with a few puffs.
I think they chose weed because it's now a widely accepted drug, so they wanted its users to still be "relatable" and "good" despite their drug usage.
It's a shit movie, what can I say.
I think poison oak or sumac would do the trick.
Poison ivy would probably put you right off the stuff, but you might survive it.
It's a shame because the first Kingsman film was fantastic. I could barely make it through the sequel.