Are they disinterested in fatherhood or do they just know better than getting involved with the modern woman in this gynocentric society? I know guys who would love to be dads but they know the divorce court will just take their kids away and steal their income so their thot exes can sit on her fat ass and cuck them. Having kids just isn't a rational decision for a man these days.
Another cause of it could be a growing feeling of "I wouldn't dream of trying to rear a child in this environment" (libs worry about calamity change, others may feel kids are going to be groomed into demons).
I know guys who would love to be dads but they know the divorce court will just take their kids away and steal their income so their thot exes can sit on her fat ass and cuck them. Having kids just isn't a rational decision for a man these days.
It's all related. There would be fewer manchildren if the system incentivized family life. Men look at the family courts, the low quality of modern women, and the unreasonable standards they have and decide that they're better off not playing that rigged game. That may result in manchild behavior, but you get what you incentivize.
And why should they be interested in fatherhood? Women can take their kids away (along with at least half their money and most of their property) at the drop of a hat, and by mandate of the state, have first and last say in how they should be raised and treated. Schools are fighting tooth and nail to take full control of kids while leaving parents to pay the bill for both the children AND their indoctrination. And hell, fatherhood isn't even celebrated or honored in modern media. Every dad on TV is portrayed as an idiot who doesn't have any love or respect from his family, his company, or even his community. More often than not, he's outright mocked for even having a family in the first place. If he doesn't stick with them (more often than not because he's forced away from them), he's called a deadbeat, and if he stays with them, he's a loser.
Fuck soyciety and whatever it "thinks". My kids are going to understand this and be functional human beings, unlike 99% of the rest. My biggest problem is finding other, non-pozzed, kids for them to be friends with.
Family is everything; we stand together against the degeneracy and bullshit.
As for my ex; I got full custody by letting her leave and do whatever she wanted (which was the opposite of what I wanted to do). She fucked her life up so badly that I got everything I asked for from the court.
I bet if you said to these men "would you be a father if instead of having a modern woman as a partner to help raise the child, we provided a robot that can cook, clean and do basic babysitting", 70% of those 'disinterested' men would say yes.
And it's not the fact of having 'a slave to mind the home' which is why they'd say yes, it's because you have at least the most basic of assistance without any of the negatives with a lot of modern women (divorce, focus on self gratification over any responsibilities, degrading attitude to masculinity etc). The women not like that are 80% already married, the rest are introverts that if discovered, would be married.
Add a self-cleaning fleshlight attachment and an AI module that came up with statements of appreciation and encouragement and you will soon be the worlds richest man.
Pfft, that alone could destroy OnlyFans. So many simps would instantly spend their money on a robot waifu that appreciated them from time to time instead of "disinterested e-thot you will never meet or earn reciprocation"
Using Reveddit it's hard to see why. I figured it would be a bunch of MGTOW type comments but it's not. I honestly can't see why a tranny janny would remove it, even understanding their twisted ideology.
I figured it would be a bunch of MGTOW type comments but it's not. I honestly can't see why a tranny janny would remove it, even understanding their twisted ideology.
I think a lot of them get a thrill from censoring people. They just can't help themselves.
They've set automods to take down anything and everything that could potentially be problematic. This drags with it 90% collateral damage, but they don't care, they're not after a system that's effective, they're after a system that allows absolutely zero wrongthink.
Weighing in as one of these men. I'm not 100% opposed to the idea, but my life track makes it look like children are not in the cards. I'm not interested enough to go out of my way to have children, but there's a chance that changes.
If you have kids, you'll want to live long enough to see them as adults.
Not to mention the energy you need to raise them. I'd say the latest age to have kids as a man, unless you're a millionaire that can afford help, is 45, maybe 50.
Same but late 30's here. I'd have to randomly meet a great woman, then date her for at least 3 years before even considering it. Some might argue that 3 years is too long, but if anything it's too short imo.
Women can hide their true nature for many, many years. It scares me to think about committing to a woman and bringing children into the world with her, knowing she could instantly flip her personality one day and fuck my life up. I'd be okay in the long run but she'd have the power to control our children and that's another factor.
That said, I've been in love before and I know how badly it clouds your judgement so it's possible I meet someone and that timeline shrinks significantly.
My wife and I had this discussion several times. Basically women have been taught that children are the absolute best party item to have. Men are only taught about all of the responsibilities. I've known people who don't want to get married because of the responsibilities expected.
As a man, I would love being a father. I think being a father is an incredibly rewarding experience. Three things I do not want to be though:
A single father.
Married to a modern woman.
A faggot
That leaves me with 2 options. Move to Afghanistan and find a non-modern woman to have kids with or not have kids. I've chosen the more realistic option which is to not have kids.
Until women are fixed in society, I will never have children. Women are the root of the problem with men not wanting kids. It has nothing to do with the men. Fix women.
Are they disinterested in fatherhood or do they just know better than getting involved with the modern woman in this gynocentric society? I know guys who would love to be dads but they know the divorce court will just take their kids away and steal their income so their thot exes can sit on her fat ass and cuck them. Having kids just isn't a rational decision for a man these days.
Another cause of it could be a growing feeling of "I wouldn't dream of trying to rear a child in this environment" (libs worry about calamity change, others may feel kids are going to be groomed into demons).
Someone has to rebuild society. Might as well be your well-raised kids.
Indeed. Sucks that future generations may have to take on such a role, but if they can't do it, who else will?
No. If they really were well-raised, they would know to just sit back and enjoy the shit show.
Username checks out.
If I'm honest, it's the only thing keeping me lurching forward some days.
Not to mention trying to raise a family in this society/economy.
You’re optimistic. My money is on a rise in manchildren that don’t want to miss the next marvel movie
It's all related. There would be fewer manchildren if the system incentivized family life. Men look at the family courts, the low quality of modern women, and the unreasonable standards they have and decide that they're better off not playing that rigged game. That may result in manchild behavior, but you get what you incentivize.
This is all true. Although it was like this in a lesser form when I found my wife in the mid-2000s it was infinitely easier than it is now.
And why should they be interested in fatherhood? Women can take their kids away (along with at least half their money and most of their property) at the drop of a hat, and by mandate of the state, have first and last say in how they should be raised and treated. Schools are fighting tooth and nail to take full control of kids while leaving parents to pay the bill for both the children AND their indoctrination. And hell, fatherhood isn't even celebrated or honored in modern media. Every dad on TV is portrayed as an idiot who doesn't have any love or respect from his family, his company, or even his community. More often than not, he's outright mocked for even having a family in the first place. If he doesn't stick with them (more often than not because he's forced away from them), he's called a deadbeat, and if he stays with them, he's a loser.
That's exactly why I have kids.
Fuck soyciety and whatever it "thinks". My kids are going to understand this and be functional human beings, unlike 99% of the rest. My biggest problem is finding other, non-pozzed, kids for them to be friends with.
Family is everything; we stand together against the degeneracy and bullshit.
As for my ex; I got full custody by letting her leave and do whatever she wanted (which was the opposite of what I wanted to do). She fucked her life up so badly that I got everything I asked for from the court.
I bet if you said to these men "would you be a father if instead of having a modern woman as a partner to help raise the child, we provided a robot that can cook, clean and do basic babysitting", 70% of those 'disinterested' men would say yes.
And it's not the fact of having 'a slave to mind the home' which is why they'd say yes, it's because you have at least the most basic of assistance without any of the negatives with a lot of modern women (divorce, focus on self gratification over any responsibilities, degrading attitude to masculinity etc). The women not like that are 80% already married, the rest are introverts that if discovered, would be married.
Add a self-cleaning fleshlight attachment and an AI module that came up with statements of appreciation and encouragement and you will soon be the worlds richest man.
Pfft, that alone could destroy OnlyFans. So many simps would instantly spend their money on a robot waifu that appreciated them from time to time instead of "disinterested e-thot you will never meet or earn reciprocation"
It’s the job of the man to be extroverted and seek out the introverted woman.
Said man must be raised properly by their extroverted father, and that isn't the case for the majority of them.
Want to hear a fun hypothesis? Single father rates will explode the second a viable artificial womb hits market.
You're a fool if you think single Hetero Men will be allowed to use them.
That technology sounds satanic.
Why not just buy wombs donated by women and keep them on life support?
Not like they're using em anyway...
There are over 1500 moderators of that subreddit specifically to make sure no organic discussion of any topic ever happens.
Using Reveddit it's hard to see why. I figured it would be a bunch of MGTOW type comments but it's not. I honestly can't see why a tranny janny would remove it, even understanding their twisted ideology.
/r/Science is literally designed to push specific misinformation in the science field.
It is absolutely 100% not about science, it is about "the Science" the kind of shit where 1+1=3.
I think a lot of them get a thrill from censoring people. They just can't help themselves.
They've set automods to take down anything and everything that could potentially be problematic. This drags with it 90% collateral damage, but they don't care, they're not after a system that's effective, they're after a system that allows absolutely zero wrongthink.
Weighing in as one of these men. I'm not 100% opposed to the idea, but my life track makes it look like children are not in the cards. I'm not interested enough to go out of my way to have children, but there's a chance that changes.
I'm in my 30s btw.
As a man you can be in your fricken 60s and still have kids. It’s women who have to be concerned about kids not being in the cards in their 30s.
A person is a proper adult at 30.
If you have kids, you'll want to live long enough to see them as adults.
Not to mention the energy you need to raise them. I'd say the latest age to have kids as a man, unless you're a millionaire that can afford help, is 45, maybe 50.
Same but late 30's here. I'd have to randomly meet a great woman, then date her for at least 3 years before even considering it. Some might argue that 3 years is too long, but if anything it's too short imo.
Women can hide their true nature for many, many years. It scares me to think about committing to a woman and bringing children into the world with her, knowing she could instantly flip her personality one day and fuck my life up. I'd be okay in the long run but she'd have the power to control our children and that's another factor.
That said, I've been in love before and I know how badly it clouds your judgement so it's possible I meet someone and that timeline shrinks significantly.
I live in a deep blue city and gave up on dating apps a few years ago. There's too much crazy to sift through.
And it's not that I'm looking for love. I just don't see myself having kids with someone I don't love.
Well it certainly doesn't help that the majority of "fatherhood" roles available are for someone else's children.
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My wife and I had this discussion several times. Basically women have been taught that children are the absolute best party item to have. Men are only taught about all of the responsibilities. I've known people who don't want to get married because of the responsibilities expected.
Party item?
Something to talk about and tell stories about, but no one teaches how to take care of them anymore.
As a man, I would love being a father. I think being a father is an incredibly rewarding experience. Three things I do not want to be though:
That leaves me with 2 options. Move to Afghanistan and find a non-modern woman to have kids with or not have kids. I've chosen the more realistic option which is to not have kids.
Until women are fixed in society, I will never have children. Women are the root of the problem with men not wanting kids. It has nothing to do with the men. Fix women.