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Didn't his father say he confessed at home? Is there any reason to doubt his father?
You can see him hiding something in his pants that seems to be a rifle and he did have a rifle.
There is no photo of him shooting because there was no camera on him at the time, if that is the level of proof we need to convict someone of murder then we're in trouble.
I'm also willing to bet that the bullet that was retrieved from Kirk's body came from his rifle and maybe they do have gunpowder on him at the time.
version 1 - he was set up and someone used his riffle while Tyler was hiding something like a rifle for no reason and then he agreed to tell his family that he killed Charlie or his family is lying. Why would the father lie? He was a Christian.
version 2 - he actually killed him and now he is desperate because death sentence is on the table
edit: version 3 - there was a guy who looked like him to walk around with a rifle like item in his pants to frame him while someone else shoot Charlie with Tyler's riffle , gave the riffle back to him and asked him to take credit for the killing and now he was told to not talk because they plan to get him out. But why would he agree at all, useful idiot maybe? However he was in engineering so I assume he was not that dumb so makes no sense for him to agree to take the heat.
We have a recent history of American family having munchausen syndrome by proxy and creating condition where heads of the family mislead by MSM forcing vaccines on kids that do not want it.
And now in this case, FBI had no leads whatsoever on who shot Charlie Kirk and now this father claims that his son is a shooter. Now we have all the convenient narratives lined up like how he's radicalised, that I could believe and he was living with a troon roommate. How can I put this? They are just throwing all kind of shit at what sticks as the most compelling motive since just hating charlie kirk is not that good of a motive to shoot him, not to mention his digital footprints are not everywhere like the troon school shooter.
Given our modern surveillance state, I think “no leads” usually means “we obtained all of our current evidence illegally, so we need to construct a parallel investigation that surreptitiously incorporates that evidence”.
I don't know what his dad said, but it was his tranny bf that turned him in first, not his dad as initially reported.
That's absurd. The rifle recovered by the FBI is so long it comes up to his armpit when he's standing. You could neither walk with that or conceal it in your jeans. Just try to conceal a 41" broom handle in your jeans and see how well you can pull that Pink Panther routine off.
You can see filming of a guy that had trouble walking on one of the 2 legs like was carrying something much longer then the leg also initially there was nothing about the tranny and I thought the father turned him in. The tranny later cooperated.
Maybe I'm wrong.
There is a limping video from a door cam, but the stairwell images are much higher resolution and don't show a rifle concealed anywhere.
I'm just spitballing here - until I see more, I'm thinking this dude did it - but his dad did have military/law enforcement connections, right? An ex-sheriff, I think. A bunch of these shooters and alleged shooters have family law enforcement connections. It's possible, but not the likeliest explanation, that the dad's connections go deeper (a lot of local law enforcement still train with the feds, and even internationally), and he was willing to frame his estranged son. Again, I don't think so, but I just thought I'd address outside possibilities.
Again, to be clear, until I hear more, I think this guy is the shooter. Although there's also stuff not adding up, but that will hopefully be exposed down the line.
I prefer to think that no father would do that without an exceptional reason. The father is Christian so he would hope for the prodigal son to return.
I'd love to think that too, but we see the opposite too often.
The leftist victims of violent crime like ethnic food and immigrants more than their own daughters. The fathers of school shooters (when they're around) all happen to be FBI agents. (Exaggeration, obviously, but there's a very real trend.)
No he's a Mormon
Not if his father thought he was accomplishing some deranged idea of a "greater good". In his hypothetical mind of course.
I could see it from a leftiest but not a Christian conservative. The left is all about sacrificing for the "greater good"
You have to remember that we're also talking about Mormons. Not that I'm going on a negative rant about Mormons, but they do have some opinions, beliefs, and takes that might deviate a little from the stereotypical American Christian conservative.
IE, there was a Mormon (ex-CIA) trying to run against Trump a few years ago because there were a fair number of Mormons who weren't entirely happy with how "mean" and "rude" Trump was conducting himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_McMullin
Edit: And looks like he got 21% of the state vote. Which is a rather significant number of votes for an independent in such a close race.
The FBI and CIA also have a history of recruiting a lot of Mormons, and if the father did indeed have some connections with that level of law enforcement... I dunno. There's a possible connection there.
Maybe but unlikely in my opinion. Even if they were anti-Trump or anti-MAGA lying is a sin and betraying a son has to be high on the ladder of sins.
Maybe I'm wrong about Mormons but who knows. I was disappointed in Angel studious.
Mormons literally rewrote and ignored their own doctrine to update it for Progressive Politics around racial relations in 1978. And have spent the decades since pretending to not even understand why it was that way to begin with.
Heck their entire religion is based on and believes that you can just receive divine inspiration at any time from God, and that becomes doctrine for either the entire church or you. It is 100% possible for the father to have been given a "vision" from God about it and that comes before all things.
Not that I actually think he is lying in this case, but Mormons aren't some rigid upstanding denomination in the way you might think.
I could see a Mormon justifying lying and more in such a scenario.
But I'll admit, a lot of anger, cold hearted-ness and/or ideology would probably have to be in the mix for him to outright frame his own son.
The right is all about sacrificing for the "greater good" too, as long as that greater good is in Israel. I need to know if the father is a mormon, or a judeo-mormon before I can rule it out.
Could it be that the alleged "tranny roommate" framed him? Or maybe this is a weird case of a "criss cross" scheme between the two.
IE, Tyler takes the fall until they're actually in court, and then pulls out some evidence in the middle of it that actually proves his innocence. To give the prosecution a black eye, and I guess to incite events without him actually getting convicted.
That is actually a good scenario and the guy is probably smart enough to pull that.
Anything's possible at this point, but seems rather unlikely. Would make a good movie, though.
Admittedly, I'm only familiar with the idea based on a movie cliche.
But it really did strike me as odd at how quickly the alleged tranny roommate gave him up, and how quickly the media (including right-wing) went with the story.
Nah, that only works on TV dramas. Any evidence that will be presented at trial must be made available to both sides before the trial starts, otherwise it isn't admissible.
Not quite the same thing, but Eddie Gallagher the SEAL got off on his war crimes charges by recruiting a witness who obtained legal immunity, then confessed to the crime on the stand.
Version 2 seems most plausible to me. I think it's possible that if he confesses everything, points out people who radicalized him, converts to whatever Charlie's specific brand of Protestantism is, and begs mercy from Ericka, he might get life in prison. Otherwise, there are a lot of people in federal authority that want him dead, maybe even more than Eric Snowden, and that would scare the shit out of me.
When I was younger, I used to debate that the death penalty didn't mean anything to criminals because the punishment could be decades away, they weren't concerned about rules, they were more concerned about not getting caught, and the imminence of someone with low time preference made it make no sense.
Nowadays, there really is something about the death penalty, even the possibility of it, that scares criminals. Even more than 25-to-life. And if the prosecutors are telling him "we're going for the death penalty, and it will be by firing squad" I think he might actually crack.
Option 4 he is a zealot and is holding up the investigation because his antifa troons have other murders planned and he is trying to maintain opsec
Creepy little gay guy who was egged on by his tranny social circle to commit a public assassination chickens out and doesn't want to admit to something that will get him a firing squad.
Duh.
In a week they'll be claiming that the father turned him in because he was gay so that the government would execute him.
Didn't we already see some posts from his tranny circle freaking out that the death penalty is being sought?
My money is on panic because he never thought he would face a death penalty, on top of fully believing he'd already got away with it when he was bragging.
Bingo.
Or he's a murderous psychopath desperately trying to avoid the death penalty.
I actually doubt it because of the target.
For how influential he is, Charlie Kirk wasn't a JFK so they wouldn't need that level of subterfuge to do this. This sounds more like cope froma side that doesn't want to admit the groomed trans so much, kids hang around the quiet kids for safety!
Not cope, more like an attempt to explain evidence that doesn't make sense. There is no way a gun was down that kid's pants in any of the stairwell shots. It's possible he thought his role was a spotter, but then they put the shooting on him.
Also, the AIPAC mega-donor crowd was very unhappy with Charlie, and he was reportedly in fear of his life.
It was clearly pre-planned, seemingly by multiple people. He may or may not have been involved. Him not having the gun on him proves neither his guilt nor his innocence; the gun could have already been up on the roof.
I haven't looked super closely, come to think of it, but those pics were him climbing the stairs, right? So before the shooting. So there's no claim he should have had the gun on him at the time.
The stairwell photos are indeed before the shooting, but the FBI alleges they are photos of him carrying the rifle up to the roof concealed in his pants. That is in fact the claim and it is as patently absurd as the sloped roof excuse at Butler.
I fucking hate the FBI.
The people at the top are lying traitors, and a big chunk of the rest are leftist subversives too.
FBI needs to be completely dismantled, and then possibly reconstituted, with all new people.
I do think it is possible that multiple people are involved and now he is not cooperating because he is defending the others.
However the others can just be other leftiests that have radicalized him over the last few years.
Considering multiple people seemingly knew something was going down, and various law enforcement agencies are saying they're looking into conspiracy connections and Discord (et al.) logs, when they usually are very definitive on the "lone wolf" claim, makes me think there's a lot more going on here.
There was either foreign or domestic federal interference, or a genuine network of leftist terrorists, is my guess at this time. Or, of course, both, since the feds love to let these things happen. I'm thinking very high chance of some level of leftist network. Multiple people online and at the school knew this was happening. Again, my guess, at least.
That is what I think happened. Who would be surprised if the CIA or FBI has been radicalizing young men using antifa and the left as cover?
On a side note, white men are the ones that commit this (eg. Trump's assassin) because the ethnic minorities in this groups are in it for themselves, they're pragmatic. White men that fall for this are ideologically brainwashed.
Antifa has always been a genuine network of domestic terrorists. It wouldnt be a new thing for them to turn to murder when losing the political war
Yeah.
I'm still convinced that murder that was on camera a few years back in Dallas had multiple conspirators. One guy was agitating, then a "security guard" fucking murdered the conservative who was having a fight picked with him.
Just imagine what's happening that we don't have on camera.
'Member the Zizians? Or the other tranny groups that have committed crimes across the country?
Charlie Kirk was a huge zionist who went around and galvanized zoomer conservatives, but recently Kirk started openly criticizing israel and jews in some regards. He said israel probably allowed Oct7 to happen so they'd have an excuse to invade Gaza, as it makes no sense why a country with as militarized a border and robust intelligence apparatus would have dropped the ball as badly as they did. And he said secular jews are the dominant funder of progressive activism. The conspiracy theory is there were fears Kirk would start turning young conservatives against israel en masse, which would be a huge problem as when boomers die out support for israel will drop significantly. So Kirk was taken out, and would you look at that, Ben Shapiro is taking over his college debate tour.
Anything's possible, and I do think there's more going on here than meets the eye, but this seems a wild take.
Who knows, though. We simply don't have everything at this time. But, still, seems like...not the likeliest outcome.
We didn't find anyone. We were given someone, and we are just supposed to believe that and stop looking. Is it him? Possibly. Do I believe that? Not yet, no.
That's because the media trained you with Mangione
Ironically I agree with that critique in the general.
In the specific, I'm not married to any theory. But there are some clear problems with the government account that need to be addressed.
Something does feel off about this, based on a video I've seen of him debating with Kirk earlier that day. I just can't quite figure out what it is that seems off.
Like obviously he was an opinionated leftist. But something about his demeanor doesn't quite line up. He didn't seem angry enough, cold and calculating, or sufficiently unhinged? And he didn't seem especially dumb enough to think he'd get away with it either.
Possibly arrogant or cocky enough to think that he was hoping he was "starting" something big though.
Because this assassination was done in a way to maximize public effect and not just to simply kill Charlie. It was essentially terrorism. Terrorists take credit for their actions. Be it personally or through the terrorist organization that they're a part of. He doesn't take credit and he didn't kill himself. If he actually was a lone wolf there's no way he ever thought he could get away with it. So why deny it?
And then there's the fact that the US government has been infiltrated by hostile actors for a very long time now and that fact has always been especially obvious concerning the FBI. So there is absolutely no reason to trust anything the government is saying if they don't release the evidence.
Remember the 2017 Las Vegas shooting? 8 years after the fact and still no motive. Just some random guy deciding to massacre 60 people during a country festival for no reason. And he did it all alone.
My personal theory for the 2017 shooting is that it was a entrapment deal attempted by the Feds that went wildly out of control.
So instead of 'We foiled a mass shooting, here's good political meat for our side to ban guns' they instead got an actual mass-shooting that they themselves caused.
Hence why they tried to bury it so quick.
Then again, given how fucky-whucky everything surrounding the Vegas shooting, I could very well be wrong.
The only thing that is for certain is that Paddock was just a patsy. I'd sooner believe the moon is made of cheese than Paddock being responsible for the massacre.
There's a video of him very awkwardly "limping" his way up a street to campus. He has no limp, it appears like he may have kept the rifle in his baggy pants. He's not limping any other time we see him.
He doesn't have baggy pants and there clearly isn't a 42" rifle stuffed in them. You see his right leg bending in the third pic?
https://x.com/ojvni/status/1966515622172373048
I see it, but I don't know where the gun is, or if he dropped the gun off somewhere before he got to that stairwell.
It would be comically ridiculous for him to pretend he had a limp, then just give up on the whole idea because "boy I look stupid", rather than operate under the assumption that he had a gun in one frame, and then not one in another.
There are a lot of things that could've happened, but the FBI account is that he walked to the roof with the gun in his pants. It seems that is wrong.
I don't know that the FBI's account is even finished. Seems like the investigation is still ongoing. I don't know that they've ruled out anyone else's involvement.
Who knows? It’s probably like a 70% chance it was the guy they say did it who actually did it, but it wouldn’t shock me if there’s something to this kid being a patsy and the real culprit being some J’ish hitman who was ordered to do it by high level j’w mafia….pretty odd that there were numerous new 1080p security cams that could film 360° all over that area and we have no video of the alleged shooter taking the shot from the rooftop, not to mention there is no high def footage of the shooter while he’s allegedly carrying the rifle to or from the event. The plane that had its transponder turned off at the local airport nearby was owned by some j’w. Why did they detain that Zinn guy and why was he saying “shoot me” if he’s not guilty in some way? Never heard that explained. Netanyahu was tweeting about Charlie before Trump had a chance, while Netanyahu was dealing with all sorts of military actions at the same time. Now we have Ben Schapiro taking over TPUSA. That’s a lot of weird shit surrounding the assassination, and it all happened shortly after Charlie had been criticizing j’ws influence over cultural Marxism and whatnot, idk. We will never know what happened so it’s kind of pointless to talk about.
They say he confessed to his dad, and now isn't confessing to anyone else.
Considering all the people coming out of the woodwork to take credit for this atrocity, and how... convenient it is to have a scapegoat to draw all the righteous fury that has been generated against the left, I don't feel comfortable definitively declaring this guy the killer without conclusive evidence.
If no one saw him do it and he doesn't admit to it, it's hard to convict. Might just be trying to take his chances.
If he is the patsy, what are they trying to hide? That the government murdered Charlie Kirk or someone who is even more blatantly a leftist murdered Charlie Kirk or a black man murdered Charlie Kirk?
Israel
I remember hearing something about Charlie Kirk saying something that pissed off Israel.
I would like to cooperate by removing his limbs one by one with a chainsaw
Can we please take our meds for just one day?
Exactly, this dude is being framed.
I pointed this out already by reminding people the alleged shooter was just that and some of them got butthurts.
Misdirection, Stan. What the eyes see and ears hear, the mind believes.