Wouldn't the responsible, balanced thing be to include an opposing point of view from the SS on how no genocide took place?
Didn't the Reich "have a right to exist" and to "defend itself"?
We afford the IDF and the murderous Zionist State the right of denial at every turn when it comes to the obvious genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza, for "fairness".
Anne Frank's father, Otto, used to recount how in 1932 he witnessed Nazi marches in Frankfurt, where they sang a German song with lyrics like "When Jewish blood spurts from the knife, things will go well again."
The family went into hiding in 1942. When asked why he didn't just leave with his family in 1932 he said he thought it would be too difficult to find work elsewhere. He worked in a bank that he eventually inherited and ultimately collapsed.
Newspapers during this period had plentiful access to Hitler and to other top Nazi officials. They did not, at any point, pull punches as to their intentions. Initially they would have been happy to just deport all the jews. Literally no one would take them. Hitler ultimately told reporters how much he hated this, and his responsibility for them, and what would likely happen to them in the long run.
Otto, his wife, and his children were sent to a concentration camp to work. They died shortly before the end of the war of typhus.
You can relitigate the holocaust until the end of time but it's far more worthwhile to pull back and look at the big, long, detailed picture that was the history of WWII and the hand of everyone in the disastrous outcome it held for Germany and the conditions and fates of those prisoners of war.
Initially they would have been happy to just deport all the jews. Literally no one would take them.
When other countries would not take civilian Jews as refugees, they were complicit in the genocide of innocent civilians.
When other countries won't take civilian Palestinians, it is obviously because they are terrorists.
Otto, his wife, and his children were sent to a concentration camp to work. They died shortly before the end of the war of typhus.
Putting innocent Jewish civilians in concentration camps to murder them, or kill them from starvation and disease is certainly genocide and a crime against humanity.
Putting innocent Palestinian civilians in concentration camps for generations, murdering them through relentless bombing, starvation and disease, is not genocide and not a crime against humanity.
You can relitigate the holocaust until the end of time
No need to relitigate anything, we'll just let it happen again!
But this time, we will correct the inequities of the past by allowing the perpetrators to dominate the narrative and continue with full impunity.
Ask the king of Jordan what happened when he took in Palestinian refugees.
There is a reason not a single country wants them. So I rather see them both wipe each other out than have some Palestinian terrorist blow up a market near me because he had a hissy fit.
Initially they would have been happy to just deport all the jews. Literally no one would take them. Hitler ultimately told reporters how much he hated this, and his responsibility for them, and what would likely happen to them in the long run.
I wonder if that was the impetus for the Madagascar Plan.
If Hitler wanted to deport jews, he could have, instantaneously, and without objection that would matter.
He didn't because just telling jews to leave doesn't give him the ability to seize every single asset they own. Jews that fled Nazi controlled Germany could leave, but only after paying extreme fees, penalties, charges, and having most of the remaining assets seized. The Nazis basically considered reparations to Germans for being jewish and then having the audacity to leave a Socialist utopia with "hoarded jewish gold" that could only have been gotten from Capitalist exploitation. This doesn't include the necessary bribes to immigration officers at the last minute who will seek to prolong the stay of a escapee by inventing a fee to take the last bit of jewelry off them. Yes, you could leave Germany if you were a jew, with nothing more than the clothes on your back, which is why many of them couldn't.
The Madagascar Plan in and of itself was an effort at genocide as the island would be kept under SS control, jews would still be forced into ghettos, and the given spaces for families certainly wasn't going to be enough to hold all jews in Poland without mass death, let alone all jews in Germany, Poland, Ukraine, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Latvia, Estonia, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Greece, Norway, Sweden, Italy, and western Russia. Best case scenario where the Nazis dindu nuffin ends up with the largest possible recreation of "Shark Island"... which is still the Holocaust, just without an explicit gas chamber.
After WWI the banks worked with world governments to place all of the debt from the war on Germany. Regular people in Germany, who had nothing to do with WWI, were starving to death in the streets because of these bankers stealing all German wealth.
So yes, bankers would not be able to flee with the scraps that remained.
WWII started in part because of anger of this attack on the German people, but also because economically they had no choice.
"Yeah they said they could leave but only if they gave back all the shit they stole so obviously they wouldn't leave. I mean cmon! You expect them to live like... like... i don't know like.. like poor people who had everything stolen from them by foreigners?!? They're jews! They're above that!"
German people were starving because the SDP (The German Socialist Party) was the Weimar government, and as Socialists, they immediately began to centrally control food production, which helped cause starvation as it does in every single Socialist country without exception. Eventually the SDP were pushed to back off food control by "the Hunger Chancellor" who helped recover the German economy. After the National Socialists took power they also centralized food production and distribution (because they're Socialists), and they were beginning to have famines in 1941 according to Himmler's own diaries.
So, wrong people to blame for starvation. Not the banks, but the Socialists. Why are you protecting the Weimar republic anyways? Oh, that's right, because you need to defend socialist policies that Hitler would replicate.
Even then, it's not like banks were putting the reparations payments on Germany, it was the French, British, American, Russian, and Italian governments that ordered reparation payments in the first place. The German government could afford to make those payments, but not if the SDP was going to build the massive Socialist welfare state that they wanted. Even though many of the foreign governments agreed to reduced payments, or even some forgiveness, it wasn't low enough for the SDP. That is why they intentionally started printing money into hyperinflation. The SDP were causing the the reparations payments to be worthless, which was forcing the foreign governments to come to the table and make even more concessions on those payments. In so doing, the SDP destroyed the German economy because Socialists are stupid and bad with money, and when they try to be clever, even more people die than normal.
By the last days of the SDP, and thanks to the Hunger Chancellor de-socializing the economy, the economy had finally recovered, and the reparation payments were finally widdled down to something that everyone could agree to, so Germany was already in a good economy before the NSDAP seized power. The reason the NSDAP started gaining political influence is because the SDP sacked the Hunger Chancellor and said that they were going to re-embark on mass Socialism again. The NSDAP offered themselves up as "Socialists without the bad stuff because Socialism totally works, am i right guise?" and that appealed to more people than the SDP super-double-pinky-promising not to fuck everything up again, the Communists who keep trying to overthrow the government and invite in the Russians, or the aristocratic Catholics in the Christian Democratic party.
Once the NSDAP seized power the immediately began re-socializing the economy, and making it bankrupt again. It was not economically necessary to invade Poland, Austria, or Czechoslovakia if they were willing to simply slow down on socialist spending schemes, but that simply wasn't an option. The Nazis invaded Poland because a) all jews must die to save Europe, and b) National Socialist Economics understands that if you clear out all of the poles, slavs, and jews from Poland and use the vast Eastern European landmass for resource exploitation, then you can have an Autarkik (self-sufficient economy). This is socialist gobeldy-gook because no economy is "self-sufficient" and you have to engage in trade.
I shouldn't have to explain this, but a reparations payment to France doesn't justify the invasion of Poland.
Wouldn't the responsible, balanced thing be to include an opposing point of view from the SS on how no genocide took place?
Yes.
There isn't one.
The National Socialists never denied what they did when they were confronted with it; they just deflected once they were being prosecuted that that they, "Didn't know", or "Followed orders", or "Someone else did it", or "It was necessary", or "I wasn't there at the time", or "I would have gone to jail if I objected", or "I was one of the nice ones", or "I didn't think that's what 'liquidate' meant", or even what I like to call the 'Goering maneuver': "Yes, but it was only Hitler's idea". Holocaust Denial isn't the invention of members of the SS, SA, or NSDAP. It's the invention of American National Socialists decades later who are intentionally making false appeals to Liberal morality for recruitment purposes, despite being explicitly opposed to Liberal morality.
German National Socialist Ayranist Ideology is clear: the jews are a race bent on destroying civilization and it is a moral imperative for the strong races to conquer the weak ones, and to eradicate every jew that exists in order to preserve civilization. This is not a debate. Debate is for the untermench. The problem is that, even in Germany, this ideology is so fucking crazy that most of the Germans would oppose it if you said it out loud (because it is fucking crazy). So like any Leftist, you claim that your opponents are crazy, hyperbolic, liars: ala BLM's "Remember when we had to pretend that we weren't saying abolish the police?... Defund the police? No, this is a budget issue." You get this because anti-Liberals don't agree to Liberal morality, which they believe is a false consciousness that they are allowed to coerce and deceive you out of.
The National Socialists never denied what they did when they were confronted with it
Oh you are referring to the confessions coerced through torture. Unfortunately those confessions couldn't be backed up by any paper trails because the National Socialists miraculously managed to destroy every single document pertaining to the industrial scaled mass murder of Jews.
No, not confessions through torture, most of the National Socialists (particularly the administrative staff) were not tortured. One of the Commandant's of Autchwitz freely expressed what he did and why he did it, and what the estimated the number of deaths to be.
Frankly, most of the actual people who did the direct killing were not tortured. The problem is that they were being mass executed on site when the concentration and death camps were discovered by infantry units. Infamously American infantrymen discovered one concentration camp, took many of the surrendered guards, handed the prisoners (most of whom were jews) tommy guns, and machine-gunned them to death as a reprisal killing for what the infantrymen considered to be atrocities. Similar reprisal killings took place during the liberation of Dachau, after the discovery of thousands dead prisoners on a rail-line.. This issue of infrantry units and commanders going absolutely ape-shit every time they found a concentration camp was dangerously common-place, to the point that the Allied Command set-up units designed explicitly to accept the surrender of camps and their garrisons in order to process the prisoners and prosecute war criminals without having reprisal killings. It's almost as if there was some specific reason that allied infantry were outraged to the point of open murder.
Now, thankfully, US officials managed to save the vast majority of the guards of these death camps and concentration camps for criminal prosecution. They were not tortured according to anything I've seen, and their testimony normally helped continuously prove the scope and depth of the holocaust and additional crimes against humanity conducted by the Nazi regime.
Many of those confessions weren't just backed up by paper trails, but also by massive amounts of physical evidence, including the camps themselves, and a clean-up operation that documented hundreds of thousands of dead in mass graves that took years to complete. One of the things about the Holocaust isn't that we don't have documentation on it, it's that we do. It's the most well documented genocide in history. There's less documentation on the Rwandan Genocide than there is on the Holocaust.
Thanks, at least we've got something to work off of.
Problem is this is mostly torture for military intelligence during war, then (effectively) reprisal torture and killings for specific war crimes. Not a large scale fabrication that every Nazi atrocity relating to the holocaust was a fabricated confession.
Kinda goes back to what I was saying earlier. Reprisal killings are evidence of an earlier perceived atrocity.
You're seriously going to argue that the people who were tortured had it coming? I suppose you also think the non-combatants in Tokyo, Dresden, etc. deserved to burn to death.
If you torture a few you only need to threaten the rest to comply.
Unlike the concentration camps, you don't have evidence of torture and you don't have evidence that other people noticed the torture and then fabricated their confessions.
I guess that's why he admitted to murdering 2.5 million Jews in Auschwitz.
Originally he said 3 million during his trial in Nuremburg, but revised it down later because even he thought the number was too high. The correct number is around 1.1 million
Shouldn't be a problem to show us then. But you probably just gonna tell me to read Mein Kampf again.
I want you to read Mien Kampf because I want you to actually listen to Hitler instead of just pretending he loved jews and would never hurt a fly. I don't expect you to have the necessary courage to read anything dissenting from the National Socialists.
As for asking me to show you evidence of documentation, literally pick something. It's like asking me to show you evidence that the US invaded Iraq.
Would you like to go over any to the tens of thousands of pages of transcripts, evidence, and testimony uploaded online by Harvard University; or the full trial transcript, called the "Blue Series" by the Library of Congress; or perhaps you'd like to browse the contents of the Holocaust Museum directly, or watch the old French Film Night and Fog made up almost entirely from the camp clean-up effort footage.
Pretending holocaust denier ever asserted that the concentrations camp never existed or the persecution of Jews didn't happen really doesn't work anymore.
Originally he said 3 million during his trial in Nuremburg, but revised it down later because even he thought the number was too high. The correct number is around 1.1 million
Yes, the meticulous Germans who managed to organize a genocide on industrial scale during a war where their resources were stretched to the absolute max and their supply lines were constantly bombed to shit but they just forgot keeping track. Thus it was just a stupid miscalculation by more than a 100%. Oops.
Just one document. Doesn't even have to be an order. A supply document showing the necessary deliveries for a genocide on this scale to the camps suffices. Shouldn't be a problem considering that the Brits broke Engima very early on in the war.
Yes, every holocaust denier rejects concentration camps in their entirety. You are attempting to re-frame "holocaust skeptics" (really apologists/useful idiots/grifters) deny the existence of concentration camps. Those people don't, but you need them to be framed as holocaust deniers to make your motivated reasoning less stupid sounding.
they just forgot keeping track.
The commandant they had testify wasn't in charge at the beginning of the gas chamber's operation. He was one of the site commanders, and also had the responsibilities of the rest of the camp. His sole job wasn't keeping track of one and only one number. That was his best guess for the operation of the entire facility's life time. Real world maintenance and repair, delays in population replacement, and transfer to other facilities reduced the numbers down to the 1.1 million that we've collected from physical evidence and train manifests.
Aren't you supposed to make an excuse about "something something numbers always go up eleventy trillion?" Or, is that excuse out the window now that this is the literal first time you've ever had to address the fact that people who committed the crimes against humanity confessed to them?
Just one document.
Again, pick literally any document from the Nuremburg Trials that you would like. All of them, and the transcript of every trial, are uploaded online via Harvard, the Library of Congress, and the Holocaust museum. I've even linked Night and Fog. We even have Eichmann's notes of the Wannsee Conference.
it is a moral imperative for the strong races to conquer the weak ones
This is also the reason Hitler kept fighting the war long after it had become clear they would lose, and he was just going to force them to march all the way to Berlin. "I thought this was supposed to be the nation of superior ubermench, and now you are allowing yourselves to be defeated by these lesser beings. So I am going to let them do it, and I can only hope that the Soviets gang-rape you to death in punishment for not fighting harder."
Holocaust Denial also isnt the only thing that was invented by Western National Socialist, as off the top of my head I remember it was them who turned Dresden from "just another bombing raid on a strategically important target" into "unforgiveable war crime against civilians".
Yes, Albert Speer was quite clear that Hitler believed that the heroic Germans were already long since dead on the eastern front when he passed him the order to annihilate Germany's infrastructure, and that the utter ravaging of Germany was effectively a necessary act. If "Deutchland Ist Hitler, und Hitler Ist Deutchland", then if Hitler is about to die... then Germany must die as well.
In fairness with regard to Dresden, the Nazis did bump up those numbers. They intentionally multiplied the number of deaths by 10 to get to an asserted 202,040 dead which was immediately used as a propaganda tool. So, it was being used as a propaganda tool during the war. David Irving, Nazi & German apologists, and western National Socialists simply ran with the propaganda number that was created.
Bro believe me the Red Cross was wrong when they only said half a million. Bro trust me it doesn’t matter population numbers went up or that the number of survivors keeps going up. Cmon bro just one more wooden door and my grandma survived three camps and gave birth courageously bro.
I'm not saying it's good to hate anyone, but it's wild how much protection the Jews get, exclusively.
You'd face much less consequences from going after another very, very protected group, much less white people. Saying "I hate black people" would still get you canceled, but it wouldn't send people against you in quite the same was as saying "I hate Jews" would.
You don't hear many people quibbling and saying "I don't hate black people but," they just lay out their case. They don't say they hate black people, they just list what they don't like about a percentage of the population. They'll still be called racist by the progressives, but it doesn't carry the same weight. It's hilarious people have to specify they totally don't hate the Jews, to even mildly criticize Jew-adjacent things. Then still get cancelled for not liking the Jews enough.
It has always been about special treatment, double standards, and hypocrisy. Ruthless tribalism for me, multiculturalism, open borders, and cultural Marxism for thee.
I oscillate between Holocaust denial for the memes, revisionist cause it's probably most accurate, and what I call Holocaust Dontgiveashitism. The last one is "maybe it was 6 million, but the way you act right now makes me think you personally would have deserved it."
Like okay, youre a jew, you own pornhub, you allowed content involving minors for a decade and more and only made efforts to curb it when credit card companies threatened to stop servicing your company......
Yeah man I don't think you earn any moral high ground back because 80 years ago a bunch of people who looked like you got murdered.
Its like the abortion meme. "If only the Holocaust hadn't happened, think of all the potential lost, think of all the child explotation we missed out on and the pornsites left unbuilt! Truly the world is darker without them jews"
And the best part about it all is that extra protection is one of the primary sources of people coming to hate them.
If people were allowed to make their jokes and memes, and discuss questions without being stomped on immediately, most of that stuff would just remain as low key stuff without much staying power.
But the moment you make an organic offhand comment, usually just for the joke or because you noticed something odd, you get a fucking huge response. And that response sticks with you.
And the best part about it all is that extra protection is one of the primary sources of people coming to hate them.
I think they know this, but it's still incredibly ironic.
I lot of people first start Noticing after they or someone else says something completely innocuous, and gets accused of antisemitism, and that they can't talk about that.
It's very self-fulfilling. People wouldn't go down the Jew criticism path anywhere near as fast or as far, if they weren't shut down (oy vey) at the very start, over innocent comments. If you didn't think there was some Jewish conspiracy, you might start to, when you realize how much societal protections and benefits they seem to get.
I really don't think they do. Like, I'm sure the Elites among them do because they have their fingers in all of this shit and know what will happen. But the rank and file likely are just as ignorant as the rank and file in any other group, and think its some external evil making people hate them.
There is a large component of the Fundamental Attribution Error rampant in Leftist thinking. Most of them cannot seem to get past the "all my misbehaving or bad actions had justified reasons" to understand that other people are assigning it to them as a person instead of buying the external excuses. They have a poor frame of reality that cannot disassociate itself from their first person point of view, and thereby don't see how bad their actions look without those constantly running justifications.
someone else says something completely innocuous, and gets accused of antisemitism
I remember spending a few days arguing with Bane back on good ol' KIA1 that the word "Jap" is almost entirely used innocently as an abbreviation by people who have no idea it was ever a slur, and only people constantly keeping that conversation going even keeps that power alive. Because unlike something like kike or nigger, words that have zero other meaning that you won't use without learning them, Jap is something most people probably organically use.
He of course disagreed and said it was always done with malice as a slur, or something along that line. Which is how it seems a lot of people treat all criticism of a group.
Imagine having a father who not only makes money by being an embarrassing cunt in public but who is also such a degenerate gooner that he films himself sucking dick and leaking the videos on the internet. The kid must truly fucking hate him.
Rofl, there is footage of him performing fellatio? As if the rest of his controversies weren't enough already. These YouTubers are truly the scum of the earth.
This might be painful to hear, but Destiny has a long list of confirmed girls he has banged and were jumping to be his next slut. Him having only one kid is the more surprising part. Check most esluts you see, and they are like 3 degrees from someone who has fucked him if they haven't themselves.
He is also the type of self serving egotist that he would have tested the kid the first chance he got before he let anyone get a red cent out of him.
Its funny, i could have sworn i at some point learned that the death toll was 4 million jews and 2 million assorted other groups.
Gays, opposition politicians, christians, politicians and resistance members from occupied countries all went into the same camps but dont seem to get counted
I guess you could call yourself 'lucky' for not being banned. I was banned for posting unrelated content on a different website. No, wait. Now I see it. You WERE banned.
Ha.
Hahaha.
Hahahahahaha.
Also...look, there's a picture of shoes. I, for one, am convinced.
Bigots.
"Who's shoes are they?" Would be the sensible follow-up question.
My point is the propagandistic repetition. I'm not screaming "holohoax" or anything like that, I just get tired of the propaganda.
Wouldn't the responsible, balanced thing be to include an opposing point of view from the SS on how no genocide took place?
Didn't the Reich "have a right to exist" and to "defend itself"?
We afford the IDF and the murderous Zionist State the right of denial at every turn when it comes to the obvious genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza, for "fairness".
Anne Frank's father, Otto, used to recount how in 1932 he witnessed Nazi marches in Frankfurt, where they sang a German song with lyrics like "When Jewish blood spurts from the knife, things will go well again."
The family went into hiding in 1942. When asked why he didn't just leave with his family in 1932 he said he thought it would be too difficult to find work elsewhere. He worked in a bank that he eventually inherited and ultimately collapsed.
Newspapers during this period had plentiful access to Hitler and to other top Nazi officials. They did not, at any point, pull punches as to their intentions. Initially they would have been happy to just deport all the jews. Literally no one would take them. Hitler ultimately told reporters how much he hated this, and his responsibility for them, and what would likely happen to them in the long run.
Otto, his wife, and his children were sent to a concentration camp to work. They died shortly before the end of the war of typhus.
You can relitigate the holocaust until the end of time but it's far more worthwhile to pull back and look at the big, long, detailed picture that was the history of WWII and the hand of everyone in the disastrous outcome it held for Germany and the conditions and fates of those prisoners of war.
Reminds me of this totally innocent, non genocidal Israeli song (sung by settler CHILDREN):
When other countries would not take civilian Jews as refugees, they were complicit in the genocide of innocent civilians.
When other countries won't take civilian Palestinians, it is obviously because they are terrorists.
Putting innocent Jewish civilians in concentration camps to murder them, or kill them from starvation and disease is certainly genocide and a crime against humanity.
Putting innocent Palestinian civilians in concentration camps for generations, murdering them through relentless bombing, starvation and disease, is not genocide and not a crime against humanity.
No need to relitigate anything, we'll just let it happen again!
But this time, we will correct the inequities of the past by allowing the perpetrators to dominate the narrative and continue with full impunity.
It's only fair!
Ask the king of Jordan what happened when he took in Palestinian refugees.
There is a reason not a single country wants them. So I rather see them both wipe each other out than have some Palestinian terrorist blow up a market near me because he had a hissy fit.
Or look what happened to America after we gave refuge to the Frankfurt School.
Yup. They deserve each other. So we should sit back and watch them wipe each other out and then decide how big the parking lot needs to be
They even tried to send them all to the British Mandate of Palestine under the Haavara Agreement, but the brits weren't having it.
I wonder if that was the impetus for the Madagascar Plan.
If Hitler wanted to deport jews, he could have, instantaneously, and without objection that would matter.
He didn't because just telling jews to leave doesn't give him the ability to seize every single asset they own. Jews that fled Nazi controlled Germany could leave, but only after paying extreme fees, penalties, charges, and having most of the remaining assets seized. The Nazis basically considered reparations to Germans for being jewish and then having the audacity to leave a Socialist utopia with "hoarded jewish gold" that could only have been gotten from Capitalist exploitation. This doesn't include the necessary bribes to immigration officers at the last minute who will seek to prolong the stay of a escapee by inventing a fee to take the last bit of jewelry off them. Yes, you could leave Germany if you were a jew, with nothing more than the clothes on your back, which is why many of them couldn't.
The Madagascar Plan in and of itself was an effort at genocide as the island would be kept under SS control, jews would still be forced into ghettos, and the given spaces for families certainly wasn't going to be enough to hold all jews in Poland without mass death, let alone all jews in Germany, Poland, Ukraine, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Latvia, Estonia, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Greece, Norway, Sweden, Italy, and western Russia. Best case scenario where the Nazis dindu nuffin ends up with the largest possible recreation of "Shark Island"... which is still the Holocaust, just without an explicit gas chamber.
After WWI the banks worked with world governments to place all of the debt from the war on Germany. Regular people in Germany, who had nothing to do with WWI, were starving to death in the streets because of these bankers stealing all German wealth.
So yes, bankers would not be able to flee with the scraps that remained.
WWII started in part because of anger of this attack on the German people, but also because economically they had no choice.
Right? Lol the schizo of that post is wild.
"Yeah they said they could leave but only if they gave back all the shit they stole so obviously they wouldn't leave. I mean cmon! You expect them to live like... like... i don't know like.. like poor people who had everything stolen from them by foreigners?!? They're jews! They're above that!"
German people were starving because the SDP (The German Socialist Party) was the Weimar government, and as Socialists, they immediately began to centrally control food production, which helped cause starvation as it does in every single Socialist country without exception. Eventually the SDP were pushed to back off food control by "the Hunger Chancellor" who helped recover the German economy. After the National Socialists took power they also centralized food production and distribution (because they're Socialists), and they were beginning to have famines in 1941 according to Himmler's own diaries.
So, wrong people to blame for starvation. Not the banks, but the Socialists. Why are you protecting the Weimar republic anyways? Oh, that's right, because you need to defend socialist policies that Hitler would replicate.
Even then, it's not like banks were putting the reparations payments on Germany, it was the French, British, American, Russian, and Italian governments that ordered reparation payments in the first place. The German government could afford to make those payments, but not if the SDP was going to build the massive Socialist welfare state that they wanted. Even though many of the foreign governments agreed to reduced payments, or even some forgiveness, it wasn't low enough for the SDP. That is why they intentionally started printing money into hyperinflation. The SDP were causing the the reparations payments to be worthless, which was forcing the foreign governments to come to the table and make even more concessions on those payments. In so doing, the SDP destroyed the German economy because Socialists are stupid and bad with money, and when they try to be clever, even more people die than normal.
By the last days of the SDP, and thanks to the Hunger Chancellor de-socializing the economy, the economy had finally recovered, and the reparation payments were finally widdled down to something that everyone could agree to, so Germany was already in a good economy before the NSDAP seized power. The reason the NSDAP started gaining political influence is because the SDP sacked the Hunger Chancellor and said that they were going to re-embark on mass Socialism again. The NSDAP offered themselves up as "Socialists without the bad stuff because Socialism totally works, am i right guise?" and that appealed to more people than the SDP super-double-pinky-promising not to fuck everything up again, the Communists who keep trying to overthrow the government and invite in the Russians, or the aristocratic Catholics in the Christian Democratic party.
Once the NSDAP seized power the immediately began re-socializing the economy, and making it bankrupt again. It was not economically necessary to invade Poland, Austria, or Czechoslovakia if they were willing to simply slow down on socialist spending schemes, but that simply wasn't an option. The Nazis invaded Poland because a) all jews must die to save Europe, and b) National Socialist Economics understands that if you clear out all of the poles, slavs, and jews from Poland and use the vast Eastern European landmass for resource exploitation, then you can have an Autarkik (self-sufficient economy). This is socialist gobeldy-gook because no economy is "self-sufficient" and you have to engage in trade.
I shouldn't have to explain this, but a reparations payment to France doesn't justify the invasion of Poland.
The grievances in this comment only make sense if you consider Weimar a meritocracy.
Weimar Germany isn't even present in my comment you numpty.
Why would the Social Democratic Party of Germany, make a meritocracy?
If Weimar weren't a meritocracy then taking back the wealth that people made from it is fair game. What's the problem?
No, communist, you don't get to steal people's shit.
Even then, your complaint is with the SDP, not people fleeing a socialist country.
It's like saying California's taxes on people fleeing the state is reparations.
So you're pro wealth confiscation for arbitrary reasons?
Wow, thanks for just coming out of the closet as a communist.
Singing in the streets about killing a demographic. So... South Africa 5 years ago?
Yes.
There isn't one.
The National Socialists never denied what they did when they were confronted with it; they just deflected once they were being prosecuted that that they, "Didn't know", or "Followed orders", or "Someone else did it", or "It was necessary", or "I wasn't there at the time", or "I would have gone to jail if I objected", or "I was one of the nice ones", or "I didn't think that's what 'liquidate' meant", or even what I like to call the 'Goering maneuver': "Yes, but it was only Hitler's idea". Holocaust Denial isn't the invention of members of the SS, SA, or NSDAP. It's the invention of American National Socialists decades later who are intentionally making false appeals to Liberal morality for recruitment purposes, despite being explicitly opposed to Liberal morality.
German National Socialist Ayranist Ideology is clear: the jews are a race bent on destroying civilization and it is a moral imperative for the strong races to conquer the weak ones, and to eradicate every jew that exists in order to preserve civilization. This is not a debate. Debate is for the untermench. The problem is that, even in Germany, this ideology is so fucking crazy that most of the Germans would oppose it if you said it out loud (because it is fucking crazy). So like any Leftist, you claim that your opponents are crazy, hyperbolic, liars: ala BLM's "Remember when we had to pretend that we weren't saying abolish the police?... Defund the police? No, this is a budget issue." You get this because anti-Liberals don't agree to Liberal morality, which they believe is a false consciousness that they are allowed to coerce and deceive you out of.
Oh you are referring to the confessions coerced through torture. Unfortunately those confessions couldn't be backed up by any paper trails because the National Socialists miraculously managed to destroy every single document pertaining to the industrial scaled mass murder of Jews.
No, not confessions through torture, most of the National Socialists (particularly the administrative staff) were not tortured. One of the Commandant's of Autchwitz freely expressed what he did and why he did it, and what the estimated the number of deaths to be.
Frankly, most of the actual people who did the direct killing were not tortured. The problem is that they were being mass executed on site when the concentration and death camps were discovered by infantry units. Infamously American infantrymen discovered one concentration camp, took many of the surrendered guards, handed the prisoners (most of whom were jews) tommy guns, and machine-gunned them to death as a reprisal killing for what the infantrymen considered to be atrocities. Similar reprisal killings took place during the liberation of Dachau, after the discovery of thousands dead prisoners on a rail-line.. This issue of infrantry units and commanders going absolutely ape-shit every time they found a concentration camp was dangerously common-place, to the point that the Allied Command set-up units designed explicitly to accept the surrender of camps and their garrisons in order to process the prisoners and prosecute war criminals without having reprisal killings. It's almost as if there was some specific reason that allied infantry were outraged to the point of open murder.
Now, thankfully, US officials managed to save the vast majority of the guards of these death camps and concentration camps for criminal prosecution. They were not tortured according to anything I've seen, and their testimony normally helped continuously prove the scope and depth of the holocaust and additional crimes against humanity conducted by the Nazi regime.
Many of those confessions weren't just backed up by paper trails, but also by massive amounts of physical evidence, including the camps themselves, and a clean-up operation that documented hundreds of thousands of dead in mass graves that took years to complete. One of the things about the Holocaust isn't that we don't have documentation on it, it's that we do. It's the most well documented genocide in history. There's less documentation on the Rwandan Genocide than there is on the Holocaust.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160820163011/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223831/How-Britain-tortured-Nazi-PoWs-The-horrifying-interrogation-methods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html
Thanks, at least we've got something to work off of.
Problem is this is mostly torture for military intelligence during war, then (effectively) reprisal torture and killings for specific war crimes. Not a large scale fabrication that every Nazi atrocity relating to the holocaust was a fabricated confession.
Kinda goes back to what I was saying earlier. Reprisal killings are evidence of an earlier perceived atrocity.
You're seriously going to argue that the people who were tortured had it coming? I suppose you also think the non-combatants in Tokyo, Dresden, etc. deserved to burn to death.
No, I said they were reprisal killings. A reprisal killing isn't a good thing. Did you think it was?
That's the fun thing about torture. If you torture a few you only need to threaten the rest to comply.
I guess that's why he admitted to murdering 2.5 million Jews in Auschwitz.
Shouldn't be a problem to show us then. But you probably just gonna tell me to read Mein Kampf again.
Unlike the concentration camps, you don't have evidence of torture and you don't have evidence that other people noticed the torture and then fabricated their confessions.
Originally he said 3 million during his trial in Nuremburg, but revised it down later because even he thought the number was too high. The correct number is around 1.1 million
I want you to read Mien Kampf because I want you to actually listen to Hitler instead of just pretending he loved jews and would never hurt a fly. I don't expect you to have the necessary courage to read anything dissenting from the National Socialists.
As for asking me to show you evidence of documentation, literally pick something. It's like asking me to show you evidence that the US invaded Iraq.
Would you like to go over any to the tens of thousands of pages of transcripts, evidence, and testimony uploaded online by Harvard University; or the full trial transcript, called the "Blue Series" by the Library of Congress; or perhaps you'd like to browse the contents of the Holocaust Museum directly, or watch the old French Film Night and Fog made up almost entirely from the camp clean-up effort footage.
Pretending holocaust denier ever asserted that the concentrations camp never existed or the persecution of Jews didn't happen really doesn't work anymore.
Yes, the meticulous Germans who managed to organize a genocide on industrial scale during a war where their resources were stretched to the absolute max and their supply lines were constantly bombed to shit but they just forgot keeping track. Thus it was just a stupid miscalculation by more than a 100%. Oops.
Just one document. Doesn't even have to be an order. A supply document showing the necessary deliveries for a genocide on this scale to the camps suffices. Shouldn't be a problem considering that the Brits broke Engima very early on in the war.
Yes, every holocaust denier rejects concentration camps in their entirety. You are attempting to re-frame "holocaust skeptics" (really apologists/useful idiots/grifters) deny the existence of concentration camps. Those people don't, but you need them to be framed as holocaust deniers to make your motivated reasoning less stupid sounding.
The commandant they had testify wasn't in charge at the beginning of the gas chamber's operation. He was one of the site commanders, and also had the responsibilities of the rest of the camp. His sole job wasn't keeping track of one and only one number. That was his best guess for the operation of the entire facility's life time. Real world maintenance and repair, delays in population replacement, and transfer to other facilities reduced the numbers down to the 1.1 million that we've collected from physical evidence and train manifests.
Aren't you supposed to make an excuse about "something something numbers always go up eleventy trillion?" Or, is that excuse out the window now that this is the literal first time you've ever had to address the fact that people who committed the crimes against humanity confessed to them?
Again, pick literally any document from the Nuremburg Trials that you would like. All of them, and the transcript of every trial, are uploaded online via Harvard, the Library of Congress, and the Holocaust museum. I've even linked Night and Fog. We even have Eichmann's notes of the Wannsee Conference.
This is also the reason Hitler kept fighting the war long after it had become clear they would lose, and he was just going to force them to march all the way to Berlin. "I thought this was supposed to be the nation of superior ubermench, and now you are allowing yourselves to be defeated by these lesser beings. So I am going to let them do it, and I can only hope that the Soviets gang-rape you to death in punishment for not fighting harder."
Holocaust Denial also isnt the only thing that was invented by Western National Socialist, as off the top of my head I remember it was them who turned Dresden from "just another bombing raid on a strategically important target" into "unforgiveable war crime against civilians".
Yes, Albert Speer was quite clear that Hitler believed that the heroic Germans were already long since dead on the eastern front when he passed him the order to annihilate Germany's infrastructure, and that the utter ravaging of Germany was effectively a necessary act. If "Deutchland Ist Hitler, und Hitler Ist Deutchland", then if Hitler is about to die... then Germany must die as well.
In fairness with regard to Dresden, the Nazis did bump up those numbers. They intentionally multiplied the number of deaths by 10 to get to an asserted 202,040 dead which was immediately used as a propaganda tool. So, it was being used as a propaganda tool during the war. David Irving, Nazi & German apologists, and western National Socialists simply ran with the propaganda number that was created.
lol. You were born 90 years too late.
PDW mods and the site's questionable funding + ownership become clearer by the day - controlled opposition.
Bro believe me the Red Cross was wrong when they only said half a million. Bro trust me it doesn’t matter population numbers went up or that the number of survivors keeps going up. Cmon bro just one more wooden door and my grandma survived three camps and gave birth courageously bro.
https://x.com/AFpost/status/1928251372924715339
the trip to the holocaust memorial didn't seem to work though thankfully . https://x.com/facelessgospel/status/1928253854069526886
He's still questioning the narrative https://x.com/facelessgospel/status/1928614776994689032
I'm not saying it's good to hate anyone, but it's wild how much protection the Jews get, exclusively.
You'd face much less consequences from going after another very, very protected group, much less white people. Saying "I hate black people" would still get you canceled, but it wouldn't send people against you in quite the same was as saying "I hate Jews" would.
You don't hear many people quibbling and saying "I don't hate black people but," they just lay out their case. They don't say they hate black people, they just list what they don't like about a percentage of the population. They'll still be called racist by the progressives, but it doesn't carry the same weight. It's hilarious people have to specify they totally don't hate the Jews, to even mildly criticize Jew-adjacent things. Then still get cancelled for not liking the Jews enough.
Many such cases.
It has always been about special treatment, double standards, and hypocrisy. Ruthless tribalism for me, multiculturalism, open borders, and cultural Marxism for thee.
I'm suddenly reminded of the "insanity wolf" type meme where the first half raises eyebrows only for the second part to play off a pun.
I hate chinks, in armour.
I hate showering, with cold water.
I hate blacks, in Minecraft.
Successful Black Man
He’s also underage it takes a while for the stuff to fully sink in.
I oscillate between Holocaust denial for the memes, revisionist cause it's probably most accurate, and what I call Holocaust Dontgiveashitism. The last one is "maybe it was 6 million, but the way you act right now makes me think you personally would have deserved it."
Like okay, youre a jew, you own pornhub, you allowed content involving minors for a decade and more and only made efforts to curb it when credit card companies threatened to stop servicing your company......
Yeah man I don't think you earn any moral high ground back because 80 years ago a bunch of people who looked like you got murdered.
Its like the abortion meme. "If only the Holocaust hadn't happened, think of all the potential lost, think of all the child explotation we missed out on and the pornsites left unbuilt! Truly the world is darker without them jews"
Imagine how much larger and better funded the ADL could be were it not for the Holocaust, such a tragedy!
And the best part about it all is that extra protection is one of the primary sources of people coming to hate them.
If people were allowed to make their jokes and memes, and discuss questions without being stomped on immediately, most of that stuff would just remain as low key stuff without much staying power.
But the moment you make an organic offhand comment, usually just for the joke or because you noticed something odd, you get a fucking huge response. And that response sticks with you.
I think they know this, but it's still incredibly ironic.
I lot of people first start Noticing after they or someone else says something completely innocuous, and gets accused of antisemitism, and that they can't talk about that.
It's very self-fulfilling. People wouldn't go down the Jew criticism path anywhere near as fast or as far, if they weren't shut down (oy vey) at the very start, over innocent comments. If you didn't think there was some Jewish conspiracy, you might start to, when you realize how much societal protections and benefits they seem to get.
I really don't think they do. Like, I'm sure the Elites among them do because they have their fingers in all of this shit and know what will happen. But the rank and file likely are just as ignorant as the rank and file in any other group, and think its some external evil making people hate them.
There is a large component of the Fundamental Attribution Error rampant in Leftist thinking. Most of them cannot seem to get past the "all my misbehaving or bad actions had justified reasons" to understand that other people are assigning it to them as a person instead of buying the external excuses. They have a poor frame of reality that cannot disassociate itself from their first person point of view, and thereby don't see how bad their actions look without those constantly running justifications.
I remember spending a few days arguing with Bane back on good ol' KIA1 that the word "Jap" is almost entirely used innocently as an abbreviation by people who have no idea it was ever a slur, and only people constantly keeping that conversation going even keeps that power alive. Because unlike something like kike or nigger, words that have zero other meaning that you won't use without learning them, Jap is something most people probably organically use.
He of course disagreed and said it was always done with malice as a slur, or something along that line. Which is how it seems a lot of people treat all criticism of a group.
That's seriously disturbing that he has a son.
Imagine having a father who not only makes money by being an embarrassing cunt in public but who is also such a degenerate gooner that he films himself sucking dick and leaking the videos on the internet. The kid must truly fucking hate him.
Rofl, there is footage of him performing fellatio? As if the rest of his controversies weren't enough already. These YouTubers are truly the scum of the earth.
I'm envious of your not all the way plugged in existence.
Because yes. There's gigs of footage. Wya way way too much.
The only comment here that matters.
Or does he? I'd honestly be more surprised if it turned out he hadn't been cucked.
This might be painful to hear, but Destiny has a long list of confirmed girls he has banged and were jumping to be his next slut. Him having only one kid is the more surprising part. Check most esluts you see, and they are like 3 degrees from someone who has fucked him if they haven't themselves.
He is also the type of self serving egotist that he would have tested the kid the first chance he got before he let anyone get a red cent out of him.
Its funny, i could have sworn i at some point learned that the death toll was 4 million jews and 2 million assorted other groups.
Gays, opposition politicians, christians, politicians and resistance members from occupied countries all went into the same camps but dont seem to get counted
Funny, I was taught that it was 6 million Jews killed and 5 million gays, Christians, opposition politicians, gypsies, the disabled, etc.
The DC Holocaust Museum has exhibits for other groups like JW's.
WTF does he mean by "dono box"? Donation box? Most museums have those, it's not a Jew thing.
I guess you could call yourself 'lucky' for not being banned. I was banned for posting unrelated content on a different website. No, wait. Now I see it. You WERE banned.
Then this happened last night:
https://communities.win/c/Funny/p/19BGTZiOXZ/banned-for-both-posting-hi-and-c/c/4eSmBfhYgcO
I would have posted it here last night. But I've already been temp banned from this sub 3 times! In short, the intimidation worked. Congratulations!
That shoe hallway was creepy to me. And, they're stinky shoes. But, the hallway made me more uncomfortable then a slight smell would cause.