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– horstshort 10 points 1 year ago +10 / -0

No, not confessions through torture, most of the National Socialists (particularly the administrative staff) were not tortured.

That's the fun thing about torture. If you torture a few you only need to threaten the rest to comply.

One of the Commandant's of Autchwitz freely expressed what he did and why he did it, and what the estimated the number of deaths to be.

I guess that's why he admitted to murdering 2.5 million Jews in Auschwitz.

Many of those confessions weren't just backed up by paper trails, but also by massive amounts of physical evidence

Shouldn't be a problem to show us then. But you probably just gonna tell me to read Mein Kampf again.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

If you torture a few you only need to threaten the rest to comply.

Unlike the concentration camps, you don't have evidence of torture and you don't have evidence that other people noticed the torture and then fabricated their confessions.

I guess that's why he admitted to murdering 2.5 million Jews in Auschwitz.

Originally he said 3 million during his trial in Nuremburg, but revised it down later because even he thought the number was too high. The correct number is around 1.1 million

Shouldn't be a problem to show us then. But you probably just gonna tell me to read Mein Kampf again.

I want you to read Mien Kampf because I want you to actually listen to Hitler instead of just pretending he loved jews and would never hurt a fly. I don't expect you to have the necessary courage to read anything dissenting from the National Socialists.

As for asking me to show you evidence of documentation, literally pick something. It's like asking me to show you evidence that the US invaded Iraq.

Would you like to go over any to the tens of thousands of pages of transcripts, evidence, and testimony uploaded online by Harvard University; or the full trial transcript, called the "Blue Series" by the Library of Congress; or perhaps you'd like to browse the contents of the Holocaust Museum directly, or watch the old French Film Night and Fog made up almost entirely from the camp clean-up effort footage.

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– horstshort 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Pretending holocaust denier ever asserted that the concentrations camp never existed or the persecution of Jews didn't happen really doesn't work anymore.

Originally he said 3 million during his trial in Nuremburg, but revised it down later because even he thought the number was too high. The correct number is around 1.1 million

Yes, the meticulous Germans who managed to organize a genocide on industrial scale during a war where their resources were stretched to the absolute max and their supply lines were constantly bombed to shit but they just forgot keeping track. Thus it was just a stupid miscalculation by more than a 100%. Oops.

Just one document. Doesn't even have to be an order. A supply document showing the necessary deliveries for a genocide on this scale to the camps suffices. Shouldn't be a problem considering that the Brits broke Engima very early on in the war.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

Yes, every holocaust denier rejects concentration camps in their entirety. You are attempting to re-frame "holocaust skeptics" (really apologists/useful idiots/grifters) deny the existence of concentration camps. Those people don't, but you need them to be framed as holocaust deniers to make your motivated reasoning less stupid sounding.

they just forgot keeping track.

The commandant they had testify wasn't in charge at the beginning of the gas chamber's operation. He was one of the site commanders, and also had the responsibilities of the rest of the camp. His sole job wasn't keeping track of one and only one number. That was his best guess for the operation of the entire facility's life time. Real world maintenance and repair, delays in population replacement, and transfer to other facilities reduced the numbers down to the 1.1 million that we've collected from physical evidence and train manifests.

Aren't you supposed to make an excuse about "something something numbers always go up eleventy trillion?" Or, is that excuse out the window now that this is the literal first time you've ever had to address the fact that people who committed the crimes against humanity confessed to them?

Just one document.

Again, pick literally any document from the Nuremburg Trials that you would like. All of them, and the transcript of every trial, are uploaded online via Harvard, the Library of Congress, and the Holocaust museum. I've even linked Night and Fog. We even have Eichmann's notes of the Wannsee Conference.

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– horstshort 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

you've ever had to address the fact that people who committed the crimes against humanity confessed to them?

I confess I fucked your mother. It's a proven fact now.

Again, pick literally any document from the Nuremburg Trials that you would like.

Show me an official German document that proves it. If it's as easy as you say you could simply link me one.

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