Anne Frank's father, Otto, used to recount how in 1932 he witnessed Nazi marches in Frankfurt, where they sang a German song with lyrics like "When Jewish blood spurts from the knife, things will go well again."
The family went into hiding in 1942. When asked why he didn't just leave with his family in 1932 he said he thought it would be too difficult to find work elsewhere. He worked in a bank that he eventually inherited and ultimately collapsed.
Newspapers during this period had plentiful access to Hitler and to other top Nazi officials. They did not, at any point, pull punches as to their intentions. Initially they would have been happy to just deport all the jews. Literally no one would take them. Hitler ultimately told reporters how much he hated this, and his responsibility for them, and what would likely happen to them in the long run.
Otto, his wife, and his children were sent to a concentration camp to work. They died shortly before the end of the war of typhus.
You can relitigate the holocaust until the end of time but it's far more worthwhile to pull back and look at the big, long, detailed picture that was the history of WWII and the hand of everyone in the disastrous outcome it held for Germany and the conditions and fates of those prisoners of war.
Initially they would have been happy to just deport all the jews. Literally no one would take them.
When other countries would not take civilian Jews as refugees, they were complicit in the genocide of innocent civilians.
When other countries won't take civilian Palestinians, it is obviously because they are terrorists.
Otto, his wife, and his children were sent to a concentration camp to work. They died shortly before the end of the war of typhus.
Putting innocent Jewish civilians in concentration camps to murder them, or kill them from starvation and disease is certainly genocide and a crime against humanity.
Putting innocent Palestinian civilians in concentration camps for generations, murdering them through relentless bombing, starvation and disease, is not genocide and not a crime against humanity.
You can relitigate the holocaust until the end of time
No need to relitigate anything, we'll just let it happen again!
But this time, we will correct the inequities of the past by allowing the perpetrators to dominate the narrative and continue with full impunity.
Ask the king of Jordan what happened when he took in Palestinian refugees.
There is a reason not a single country wants them. So I rather see them both wipe each other out than have some Palestinian terrorist blow up a market near me because he had a hissy fit.
Initially they would have been happy to just deport all the jews. Literally no one would take them. Hitler ultimately told reporters how much he hated this, and his responsibility for them, and what would likely happen to them in the long run.
I wonder if that was the impetus for the Madagascar Plan.
If Hitler wanted to deport jews, he could have, instantaneously, and without objection that would matter.
He didn't because just telling jews to leave doesn't give him the ability to seize every single asset they own. Jews that fled Nazi controlled Germany could leave, but only after paying extreme fees, penalties, charges, and having most of the remaining assets seized. The Nazis basically considered reparations to Germans for being jewish and then having the audacity to leave a Socialist utopia with "hoarded jewish gold" that could only have been gotten from Capitalist exploitation. This doesn't include the necessary bribes to immigration officers at the last minute who will seek to prolong the stay of a escapee by inventing a fee to take the last bit of jewelry off them. Yes, you could leave Germany if you were a jew, with nothing more than the clothes on your back, which is why many of them couldn't.
The Madagascar Plan in and of itself was an effort at genocide as the island would be kept under SS control, jews would still be forced into ghettos, and the given spaces for families certainly wasn't going to be enough to hold all jews in Poland without mass death, let alone all jews in Germany, Poland, Ukraine, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Latvia, Estonia, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Greece, Norway, Sweden, Italy, and western Russia. Best case scenario where the Nazis dindu nuffin ends up with the largest possible recreation of "Shark Island"... which is still the Holocaust, just without an explicit gas chamber.
After WWI the banks worked with world governments to place all of the debt from the war on Germany. Regular people in Germany, who had nothing to do with WWI, were starving to death in the streets because of these bankers stealing all German wealth.
So yes, bankers would not be able to flee with the scraps that remained.
WWII started in part because of anger of this attack on the German people, but also because economically they had no choice.
"Yeah they said they could leave but only if they gave back all the shit they stole so obviously they wouldn't leave. I mean cmon! You expect them to live like... like... i don't know like.. like poor people who had everything stolen from them by foreigners?!? They're jews! They're above that!"
German people were starving because the SDP (The German Socialist Party) was the Weimar government, and as Socialists, they immediately began to centrally control food production, which helped cause starvation as it does in every single Socialist country without exception. Eventually the SDP were pushed to back off food control by "the Hunger Chancellor" who helped recover the German economy. After the National Socialists took power they also centralized food production and distribution (because they're Socialists), and they were beginning to have famines in 1941 according to Himmler's own diaries.
So, wrong people to blame for starvation. Not the banks, but the Socialists. Why are you protecting the Weimar republic anyways? Oh, that's right, because you need to defend socialist policies that Hitler would replicate.
Even then, it's not like banks were putting the reparations payments on Germany, it was the French, British, American, Russian, and Italian governments that ordered reparation payments in the first place. The German government could afford to make those payments, but not if the SDP was going to build the massive Socialist welfare state that they wanted. Even though many of the foreign governments agreed to reduced payments, or even some forgiveness, it wasn't low enough for the SDP. That is why they intentionally started printing money into hyperinflation. The SDP were causing the the reparations payments to be worthless, which was forcing the foreign governments to come to the table and make even more concessions on those payments. In so doing, the SDP destroyed the German economy because Socialists are stupid and bad with money, and when they try to be clever, even more people die than normal.
By the last days of the SDP, and thanks to the Hunger Chancellor de-socializing the economy, the economy had finally recovered, and the reparation payments were finally widdled down to something that everyone could agree to, so Germany was already in a good economy before the NSDAP seized power. The reason the NSDAP started gaining political influence is because the SDP sacked the Hunger Chancellor and said that they were going to re-embark on mass Socialism again. The NSDAP offered themselves up as "Socialists without the bad stuff because Socialism totally works, am i right guise?" and that appealed to more people than the SDP super-double-pinky-promising not to fuck everything up again, the Communists who keep trying to overthrow the government and invite in the Russians, or the aristocratic Catholics in the Christian Democratic party.
Once the NSDAP seized power the immediately began re-socializing the economy, and making it bankrupt again. It was not economically necessary to invade Poland, Austria, or Czechoslovakia if they were willing to simply slow down on socialist spending schemes, but that simply wasn't an option. The Nazis invaded Poland because a) all jews must die to save Europe, and b) National Socialist Economics understands that if you clear out all of the poles, slavs, and jews from Poland and use the vast Eastern European landmass for resource exploitation, then you can have an Autarkik (self-sufficient economy). This is socialist gobeldy-gook because no economy is "self-sufficient" and you have to engage in trade.
I shouldn't have to explain this, but a reparations payment to France doesn't justify the invasion of Poland.
Anne Frank's father, Otto, used to recount how in 1932 he witnessed Nazi marches in Frankfurt, where they sang a German song with lyrics like "When Jewish blood spurts from the knife, things will go well again."
The family went into hiding in 1942. When asked why he didn't just leave with his family in 1932 he said he thought it would be too difficult to find work elsewhere. He worked in a bank that he eventually inherited and ultimately collapsed.
Newspapers during this period had plentiful access to Hitler and to other top Nazi officials. They did not, at any point, pull punches as to their intentions. Initially they would have been happy to just deport all the jews. Literally no one would take them. Hitler ultimately told reporters how much he hated this, and his responsibility for them, and what would likely happen to them in the long run.
Otto, his wife, and his children were sent to a concentration camp to work. They died shortly before the end of the war of typhus.
You can relitigate the holocaust until the end of time but it's far more worthwhile to pull back and look at the big, long, detailed picture that was the history of WWII and the hand of everyone in the disastrous outcome it held for Germany and the conditions and fates of those prisoners of war.
Reminds me of this totally innocent, non genocidal Israeli song (sung by settler CHILDREN):
When other countries would not take civilian Jews as refugees, they were complicit in the genocide of innocent civilians.
When other countries won't take civilian Palestinians, it is obviously because they are terrorists.
Putting innocent Jewish civilians in concentration camps to murder them, or kill them from starvation and disease is certainly genocide and a crime against humanity.
Putting innocent Palestinian civilians in concentration camps for generations, murdering them through relentless bombing, starvation and disease, is not genocide and not a crime against humanity.
No need to relitigate anything, we'll just let it happen again!
But this time, we will correct the inequities of the past by allowing the perpetrators to dominate the narrative and continue with full impunity.
It's only fair!
Ask the king of Jordan what happened when he took in Palestinian refugees.
There is a reason not a single country wants them. So I rather see them both wipe each other out than have some Palestinian terrorist blow up a market near me because he had a hissy fit.
Or look what happened to America after we gave refuge to the Frankfurt School.
Yup. They deserve each other. So we should sit back and watch them wipe each other out and then decide how big the parking lot needs to be
They even tried to send them all to the British Mandate of Palestine under the Haavara Agreement, but the brits weren't having it.
I wonder if that was the impetus for the Madagascar Plan.
If Hitler wanted to deport jews, he could have, instantaneously, and without objection that would matter.
He didn't because just telling jews to leave doesn't give him the ability to seize every single asset they own. Jews that fled Nazi controlled Germany could leave, but only after paying extreme fees, penalties, charges, and having most of the remaining assets seized. The Nazis basically considered reparations to Germans for being jewish and then having the audacity to leave a Socialist utopia with "hoarded jewish gold" that could only have been gotten from Capitalist exploitation. This doesn't include the necessary bribes to immigration officers at the last minute who will seek to prolong the stay of a escapee by inventing a fee to take the last bit of jewelry off them. Yes, you could leave Germany if you were a jew, with nothing more than the clothes on your back, which is why many of them couldn't.
The Madagascar Plan in and of itself was an effort at genocide as the island would be kept under SS control, jews would still be forced into ghettos, and the given spaces for families certainly wasn't going to be enough to hold all jews in Poland without mass death, let alone all jews in Germany, Poland, Ukraine, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Latvia, Estonia, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Greece, Norway, Sweden, Italy, and western Russia. Best case scenario where the Nazis dindu nuffin ends up with the largest possible recreation of "Shark Island"... which is still the Holocaust, just without an explicit gas chamber.
After WWI the banks worked with world governments to place all of the debt from the war on Germany. Regular people in Germany, who had nothing to do with WWI, were starving to death in the streets because of these bankers stealing all German wealth.
So yes, bankers would not be able to flee with the scraps that remained.
WWII started in part because of anger of this attack on the German people, but also because economically they had no choice.
Right? Lol the schizo of that post is wild.
"Yeah they said they could leave but only if they gave back all the shit they stole so obviously they wouldn't leave. I mean cmon! You expect them to live like... like... i don't know like.. like poor people who had everything stolen from them by foreigners?!? They're jews! They're above that!"
German people were starving because the SDP (The German Socialist Party) was the Weimar government, and as Socialists, they immediately began to centrally control food production, which helped cause starvation as it does in every single Socialist country without exception. Eventually the SDP were pushed to back off food control by "the Hunger Chancellor" who helped recover the German economy. After the National Socialists took power they also centralized food production and distribution (because they're Socialists), and they were beginning to have famines in 1941 according to Himmler's own diaries.
So, wrong people to blame for starvation. Not the banks, but the Socialists. Why are you protecting the Weimar republic anyways? Oh, that's right, because you need to defend socialist policies that Hitler would replicate.
Even then, it's not like banks were putting the reparations payments on Germany, it was the French, British, American, Russian, and Italian governments that ordered reparation payments in the first place. The German government could afford to make those payments, but not if the SDP was going to build the massive Socialist welfare state that they wanted. Even though many of the foreign governments agreed to reduced payments, or even some forgiveness, it wasn't low enough for the SDP. That is why they intentionally started printing money into hyperinflation. The SDP were causing the the reparations payments to be worthless, which was forcing the foreign governments to come to the table and make even more concessions on those payments. In so doing, the SDP destroyed the German economy because Socialists are stupid and bad with money, and when they try to be clever, even more people die than normal.
By the last days of the SDP, and thanks to the Hunger Chancellor de-socializing the economy, the economy had finally recovered, and the reparation payments were finally widdled down to something that everyone could agree to, so Germany was already in a good economy before the NSDAP seized power. The reason the NSDAP started gaining political influence is because the SDP sacked the Hunger Chancellor and said that they were going to re-embark on mass Socialism again. The NSDAP offered themselves up as "Socialists without the bad stuff because Socialism totally works, am i right guise?" and that appealed to more people than the SDP super-double-pinky-promising not to fuck everything up again, the Communists who keep trying to overthrow the government and invite in the Russians, or the aristocratic Catholics in the Christian Democratic party.
Once the NSDAP seized power the immediately began re-socializing the economy, and making it bankrupt again. It was not economically necessary to invade Poland, Austria, or Czechoslovakia if they were willing to simply slow down on socialist spending schemes, but that simply wasn't an option. The Nazis invaded Poland because a) all jews must die to save Europe, and b) National Socialist Economics understands that if you clear out all of the poles, slavs, and jews from Poland and use the vast Eastern European landmass for resource exploitation, then you can have an Autarkik (self-sufficient economy). This is socialist gobeldy-gook because no economy is "self-sufficient" and you have to engage in trade.
I shouldn't have to explain this, but a reparations payment to France doesn't justify the invasion of Poland.
The grievances in this comment only make sense if you consider Weimar a meritocracy.
Weimar Germany isn't even present in my comment you numpty.
Why would the Social Democratic Party of Germany, make a meritocracy?
Singing in the streets about killing a demographic. So... South Africa 5 years ago?