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posted 1 year ago by Telia 1 year ago by Telia +114 / -0
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– Gizortnik 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

If Hitler wanted to deport jews, he could have, instantaneously, and without objection that would matter.

He didn't because just telling jews to leave doesn't give him the ability to seize every single asset they own. Jews that fled Nazi controlled Germany could leave, but only after paying extreme fees, penalties, charges, and having most of the remaining assets seized. The Nazis basically considered reparations to Germans for being jewish and then having the audacity to leave a Socialist utopia with "hoarded jewish gold" that could only have been gotten from Capitalist exploitation. This doesn't include the necessary bribes to immigration officers at the last minute who will seek to prolong the stay of a escapee by inventing a fee to take the last bit of jewelry off them. Yes, you could leave Germany if you were a jew, with nothing more than the clothes on your back, which is why many of them couldn't.

The Madagascar Plan in and of itself was an effort at genocide as the island would be kept under SS control, jews would still be forced into ghettos, and the given spaces for families certainly wasn't going to be enough to hold all jews in Poland without mass death, let alone all jews in Germany, Poland, Ukraine, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Latvia, Estonia, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Greece, Norway, Sweden, Italy, and western Russia. Best case scenario where the Nazis dindu nuffin ends up with the largest possible recreation of "Shark Island"... which is still the Holocaust, just without an explicit gas chamber.

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– Bullseyed 13 points 1 year ago +13 / -0

After WWI the banks worked with world governments to place all of the debt from the war on Germany. Regular people in Germany, who had nothing to do with WWI, were starving to death in the streets because of these bankers stealing all German wealth.

So yes, bankers would not be able to flee with the scraps that remained.

WWII started in part because of anger of this attack on the German people, but also because economically they had no choice.

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– Theacefospades 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Right? Lol the schizo of that post is wild.

"Yeah they said they could leave but only if they gave back all the shit they stole so obviously they wouldn't leave. I mean cmon! You expect them to live like... like... i don't know like.. like poor people who had everything stolen from them by foreigners?!? They're jews! They're above that!"

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– Gizortnik 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

German people were starving because the SDP (The German Socialist Party) was the Weimar government, and as Socialists, they immediately began to centrally control food production, which helped cause starvation as it does in every single Socialist country without exception. Eventually the SDP were pushed to back off food control by "the Hunger Chancellor" who helped recover the German economy. After the National Socialists took power they also centralized food production and distribution (because they're Socialists), and they were beginning to have famines in 1941 according to Himmler's own diaries.

So, wrong people to blame for starvation. Not the banks, but the Socialists. Why are you protecting the Weimar republic anyways? Oh, that's right, because you need to defend socialist policies that Hitler would replicate.

Even then, it's not like banks were putting the reparations payments on Germany, it was the French, British, American, Russian, and Italian governments that ordered reparation payments in the first place. The German government could afford to make those payments, but not if the SDP was going to build the massive Socialist welfare state that they wanted. Even though many of the foreign governments agreed to reduced payments, or even some forgiveness, it wasn't low enough for the SDP. That is why they intentionally started printing money into hyperinflation. The SDP were causing the the reparations payments to be worthless, which was forcing the foreign governments to come to the table and make even more concessions on those payments. In so doing, the SDP destroyed the German economy because Socialists are stupid and bad with money, and when they try to be clever, even more people die than normal.

By the last days of the SDP, and thanks to the Hunger Chancellor de-socializing the economy, the economy had finally recovered, and the reparation payments were finally widdled down to something that everyone could agree to, so Germany was already in a good economy before the NSDAP seized power. The reason the NSDAP started gaining political influence is because the SDP sacked the Hunger Chancellor and said that they were going to re-embark on mass Socialism again. The NSDAP offered themselves up as "Socialists without the bad stuff because Socialism totally works, am i right guise?" and that appealed to more people than the SDP super-double-pinky-promising not to fuck everything up again, the Communists who keep trying to overthrow the government and invite in the Russians, or the aristocratic Catholics in the Christian Democratic party.

Once the NSDAP seized power the immediately began re-socializing the economy, and making it bankrupt again. It was not economically necessary to invade Poland, Austria, or Czechoslovakia if they were willing to simply slow down on socialist spending schemes, but that simply wasn't an option. The Nazis invaded Poland because a) all jews must die to save Europe, and b) National Socialist Economics understands that if you clear out all of the poles, slavs, and jews from Poland and use the vast Eastern European landmass for resource exploitation, then you can have an Autarkik (self-sufficient economy). This is socialist gobeldy-gook because no economy is "self-sufficient" and you have to engage in trade.

I shouldn't have to explain this, but a reparations payment to France doesn't justify the invasion of Poland.

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

The grievances in this comment only make sense if you consider Weimar a meritocracy.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Weimar Germany isn't even present in my comment you numpty.

Why would the Social Democratic Party of Germany, make a meritocracy?

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– ArchRespawnsAgain 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

If Weimar weren't a meritocracy then taking back the wealth that people made from it is fair game. What's the problem?

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– Gizortnik 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

No, communist, you don't get to steal people's shit.

Even then, your complaint is with the SDP, not people fleeing a socialist country.

It's like saying California's taxes on people fleeing the state is reparations.

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– ghostfox1_ 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

So you're pro wealth confiscation for arbitrary reasons?

Wow, thanks for just coming out of the closet as a communist.

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