Wouldn't the responsible, balanced thing be to include an opposing point of view from the SS on how no genocide took place?
Yes.
There isn't one.
The National Socialists never denied what they did when they were confronted with it; they just deflected once they were being prosecuted that that they, "Didn't know", or "Followed orders", or "Someone else did it", or "It was necessary", or "I wasn't there at the time", or "I would have gone to jail if I objected", or "I was one of the nice ones", or "I didn't think that's what 'liquidate' meant", or even what I like to call the 'Goering maneuver': "Yes, but it was only Hitler's idea". Holocaust Denial isn't the invention of members of the SS, SA, or NSDAP. It's the invention of American National Socialists decades later who are intentionally making false appeals to Liberal morality for recruitment purposes, despite being explicitly opposed to Liberal morality.
German National Socialist Ayranist Ideology is clear: the jews are a race bent on destroying civilization and it is a moral imperative for the strong races to conquer the weak ones, and to eradicate every jew that exists in order to preserve civilization. This is not a debate. Debate is for the untermench. The problem is that, even in Germany, this ideology is so fucking crazy that most of the Germans would oppose it if you said it out loud (because it is fucking crazy). So like any Leftist, you claim that your opponents are crazy, hyperbolic, liars: ala BLM's "Remember when we had to pretend that we weren't saying abolish the police?... Defund the police? No, this is a budget issue." You get this because anti-Liberals don't agree to Liberal morality, which they believe is a false consciousness that they are allowed to coerce and deceive you out of.
The National Socialists never denied what they did when they were confronted with it
Oh you are referring to the confessions coerced through torture. Unfortunately those confessions couldn't be backed up by any paper trails because the National Socialists miraculously managed to destroy every single document pertaining to the industrial scaled mass murder of Jews.
No, not confessions through torture, most of the National Socialists (particularly the administrative staff) were not tortured. One of the Commandant's of Autchwitz freely expressed what he did and why he did it, and what the estimated the number of deaths to be.
Frankly, most of the actual people who did the direct killing were not tortured. The problem is that they were being mass executed on site when the concentration and death camps were discovered by infantry units. Infamously American infantrymen discovered one concentration camp, took many of the surrendered guards, handed the prisoners (most of whom were jews) tommy guns, and machine-gunned them to death as a reprisal killing for what the infantrymen considered to be atrocities. Similar reprisal killings took place during the liberation of Dachau, after the discovery of thousands dead prisoners on a rail-line.. This issue of infrantry units and commanders going absolutely ape-shit every time they found a concentration camp was dangerously common-place, to the point that the Allied Command set-up units designed explicitly to accept the surrender of camps and their garrisons in order to process the prisoners and prosecute war criminals without having reprisal killings. It's almost as if there was some specific reason that allied infantry were outraged to the point of open murder.
Now, thankfully, US officials managed to save the vast majority of the guards of these death camps and concentration camps for criminal prosecution. They were not tortured according to anything I've seen, and their testimony normally helped continuously prove the scope and depth of the holocaust and additional crimes against humanity conducted by the Nazi regime.
Many of those confessions weren't just backed up by paper trails, but also by massive amounts of physical evidence, including the camps themselves, and a clean-up operation that documented hundreds of thousands of dead in mass graves that took years to complete. One of the things about the Holocaust isn't that we don't have documentation on it, it's that we do. It's the most well documented genocide in history. There's less documentation on the Rwandan Genocide than there is on the Holocaust.
Thanks, at least we've got something to work off of.
Problem is this is mostly torture for military intelligence during war, then (effectively) reprisal torture and killings for specific war crimes. Not a large scale fabrication that every Nazi atrocity relating to the holocaust was a fabricated confession.
Kinda goes back to what I was saying earlier. Reprisal killings are evidence of an earlier perceived atrocity.
If you torture a few you only need to threaten the rest to comply.
Unlike the concentration camps, you don't have evidence of torture and you don't have evidence that other people noticed the torture and then fabricated their confessions.
I guess that's why he admitted to murdering 2.5 million Jews in Auschwitz.
Originally he said 3 million during his trial in Nuremburg, but revised it down later because even he thought the number was too high. The correct number is around 1.1 million
Shouldn't be a problem to show us then. But you probably just gonna tell me to read Mein Kampf again.
I want you to read Mien Kampf because I want you to actually listen to Hitler instead of just pretending he loved jews and would never hurt a fly. I don't expect you to have the necessary courage to read anything dissenting from the National Socialists.
As for asking me to show you evidence of documentation, literally pick something. It's like asking me to show you evidence that the US invaded Iraq.
Would you like to go over any to the tens of thousands of pages of transcripts, evidence, and testimony uploaded online by Harvard University; or the full trial transcript, called the "Blue Series" by the Library of Congress; or perhaps you'd like to browse the contents of the Holocaust Museum directly, or watch the old French Film Night and Fog made up almost entirely from the camp clean-up effort footage.
it is a moral imperative for the strong races to conquer the weak ones
This is also the reason Hitler kept fighting the war long after it had become clear they would lose, and he was just going to force them to march all the way to Berlin. "I thought this was supposed to be the nation of superior ubermench, and now you are allowing yourselves to be defeated by these lesser beings. So I am going to let them do it, and I can only hope that the Soviets gang-rape you to death in punishment for not fighting harder."
Holocaust Denial also isnt the only thing that was invented by Western National Socialist, as off the top of my head I remember it was them who turned Dresden from "just another bombing raid on a strategically important target" into "unforgiveable war crime against civilians".
Yes, Albert Speer was quite clear that Hitler believed that the heroic Germans were already long since dead on the eastern front when he passed him the order to annihilate Germany's infrastructure, and that the utter ravaging of Germany was effectively a necessary act. If "Deutchland Ist Hitler, und Hitler Ist Deutchland", then if Hitler is about to die... then Germany must die as well.
In fairness with regard to Dresden, the Nazis did bump up those numbers. They intentionally multiplied the number of deaths by 10 to get to an asserted 202,040 dead which was immediately used as a propaganda tool. So, it was being used as a propaganda tool during the war. David Irving, Nazi & German apologists, and western National Socialists simply ran with the propaganda number that was created.
Yes.
There isn't one.
The National Socialists never denied what they did when they were confronted with it; they just deflected once they were being prosecuted that that they, "Didn't know", or "Followed orders", or "Someone else did it", or "It was necessary", or "I wasn't there at the time", or "I would have gone to jail if I objected", or "I was one of the nice ones", or "I didn't think that's what 'liquidate' meant", or even what I like to call the 'Goering maneuver': "Yes, but it was only Hitler's idea". Holocaust Denial isn't the invention of members of the SS, SA, or NSDAP. It's the invention of American National Socialists decades later who are intentionally making false appeals to Liberal morality for recruitment purposes, despite being explicitly opposed to Liberal morality.
German National Socialist Ayranist Ideology is clear: the jews are a race bent on destroying civilization and it is a moral imperative for the strong races to conquer the weak ones, and to eradicate every jew that exists in order to preserve civilization. This is not a debate. Debate is for the untermench. The problem is that, even in Germany, this ideology is so fucking crazy that most of the Germans would oppose it if you said it out loud (because it is fucking crazy). So like any Leftist, you claim that your opponents are crazy, hyperbolic, liars: ala BLM's "Remember when we had to pretend that we weren't saying abolish the police?... Defund the police? No, this is a budget issue." You get this because anti-Liberals don't agree to Liberal morality, which they believe is a false consciousness that they are allowed to coerce and deceive you out of.
Oh you are referring to the confessions coerced through torture. Unfortunately those confessions couldn't be backed up by any paper trails because the National Socialists miraculously managed to destroy every single document pertaining to the industrial scaled mass murder of Jews.
No, not confessions through torture, most of the National Socialists (particularly the administrative staff) were not tortured. One of the Commandant's of Autchwitz freely expressed what he did and why he did it, and what the estimated the number of deaths to be.
Frankly, most of the actual people who did the direct killing were not tortured. The problem is that they were being mass executed on site when the concentration and death camps were discovered by infantry units. Infamously American infantrymen discovered one concentration camp, took many of the surrendered guards, handed the prisoners (most of whom were jews) tommy guns, and machine-gunned them to death as a reprisal killing for what the infantrymen considered to be atrocities. Similar reprisal killings took place during the liberation of Dachau, after the discovery of thousands dead prisoners on a rail-line.. This issue of infrantry units and commanders going absolutely ape-shit every time they found a concentration camp was dangerously common-place, to the point that the Allied Command set-up units designed explicitly to accept the surrender of camps and their garrisons in order to process the prisoners and prosecute war criminals without having reprisal killings. It's almost as if there was some specific reason that allied infantry were outraged to the point of open murder.
Now, thankfully, US officials managed to save the vast majority of the guards of these death camps and concentration camps for criminal prosecution. They were not tortured according to anything I've seen, and their testimony normally helped continuously prove the scope and depth of the holocaust and additional crimes against humanity conducted by the Nazi regime.
Many of those confessions weren't just backed up by paper trails, but also by massive amounts of physical evidence, including the camps themselves, and a clean-up operation that documented hundreds of thousands of dead in mass graves that took years to complete. One of the things about the Holocaust isn't that we don't have documentation on it, it's that we do. It's the most well documented genocide in history. There's less documentation on the Rwandan Genocide than there is on the Holocaust.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160820163011/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223831/How-Britain-tortured-Nazi-PoWs-The-horrifying-interrogation-methods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html
Thanks, at least we've got something to work off of.
Problem is this is mostly torture for military intelligence during war, then (effectively) reprisal torture and killings for specific war crimes. Not a large scale fabrication that every Nazi atrocity relating to the holocaust was a fabricated confession.
Kinda goes back to what I was saying earlier. Reprisal killings are evidence of an earlier perceived atrocity.
That's the fun thing about torture. If you torture a few you only need to threaten the rest to comply.
I guess that's why he admitted to murdering 2.5 million Jews in Auschwitz.
Shouldn't be a problem to show us then. But you probably just gonna tell me to read Mein Kampf again.
Unlike the concentration camps, you don't have evidence of torture and you don't have evidence that other people noticed the torture and then fabricated their confessions.
Originally he said 3 million during his trial in Nuremburg, but revised it down later because even he thought the number was too high. The correct number is around 1.1 million
I want you to read Mien Kampf because I want you to actually listen to Hitler instead of just pretending he loved jews and would never hurt a fly. I don't expect you to have the necessary courage to read anything dissenting from the National Socialists.
As for asking me to show you evidence of documentation, literally pick something. It's like asking me to show you evidence that the US invaded Iraq.
Would you like to go over any to the tens of thousands of pages of transcripts, evidence, and testimony uploaded online by Harvard University; or the full trial transcript, called the "Blue Series" by the Library of Congress; or perhaps you'd like to browse the contents of the Holocaust Museum directly, or watch the old French Film Night and Fog made up almost entirely from the camp clean-up effort footage.
This is also the reason Hitler kept fighting the war long after it had become clear they would lose, and he was just going to force them to march all the way to Berlin. "I thought this was supposed to be the nation of superior ubermench, and now you are allowing yourselves to be defeated by these lesser beings. So I am going to let them do it, and I can only hope that the Soviets gang-rape you to death in punishment for not fighting harder."
Holocaust Denial also isnt the only thing that was invented by Western National Socialist, as off the top of my head I remember it was them who turned Dresden from "just another bombing raid on a strategically important target" into "unforgiveable war crime against civilians".
Yes, Albert Speer was quite clear that Hitler believed that the heroic Germans were already long since dead on the eastern front when he passed him the order to annihilate Germany's infrastructure, and that the utter ravaging of Germany was effectively a necessary act. If "Deutchland Ist Hitler, und Hitler Ist Deutchland", then if Hitler is about to die... then Germany must die as well.
In fairness with regard to Dresden, the Nazis did bump up those numbers. They intentionally multiplied the number of deaths by 10 to get to an asserted 202,040 dead which was immediately used as a propaganda tool. So, it was being used as a propaganda tool during the war. David Irving, Nazi & German apologists, and western National Socialists simply ran with the propaganda number that was created.