The National Socialists never denied what they did when they were confronted with it
Oh you are referring to the confessions coerced through torture. Unfortunately those confessions couldn't be backed up by any paper trails because the National Socialists miraculously managed to destroy every single document pertaining to the industrial scaled mass murder of Jews.
No, not confessions through torture, most of the National Socialists (particularly the administrative staff) were not tortured. One of the Commandant's of Autchwitz freely expressed what he did and why he did it, and what the estimated the number of deaths to be.
Frankly, most of the actual people who did the direct killing were not tortured. The problem is that they were being mass executed on site when the concentration and death camps were discovered by infantry units. Infamously American infantrymen discovered one concentration camp, took many of the surrendered guards, handed the prisoners (most of whom were jews) tommy guns, and machine-gunned them to death as a reprisal killing for what the infantrymen considered to be atrocities. Similar reprisal killings took place during the liberation of Dachau, after the discovery of thousands dead prisoners on a rail-line.. This issue of infrantry units and commanders going absolutely ape-shit every time they found a concentration camp was dangerously common-place, to the point that the Allied Command set-up units designed explicitly to accept the surrender of camps and their garrisons in order to process the prisoners and prosecute war criminals without having reprisal killings. It's almost as if there was some specific reason that allied infantry were outraged to the point of open murder.
Now, thankfully, US officials managed to save the vast majority of the guards of these death camps and concentration camps for criminal prosecution. They were not tortured according to anything I've seen, and their testimony normally helped continuously prove the scope and depth of the holocaust and additional crimes against humanity conducted by the Nazi regime.
Many of those confessions weren't just backed up by paper trails, but also by massive amounts of physical evidence, including the camps themselves, and a clean-up operation that documented hundreds of thousands of dead in mass graves that took years to complete. One of the things about the Holocaust isn't that we don't have documentation on it, it's that we do. It's the most well documented genocide in history. There's less documentation on the Rwandan Genocide than there is on the Holocaust.
Thanks, at least we've got something to work off of.
Problem is this is mostly torture for military intelligence during war, then (effectively) reprisal torture and killings for specific war crimes. Not a large scale fabrication that every Nazi atrocity relating to the holocaust was a fabricated confession.
Kinda goes back to what I was saying earlier. Reprisal killings are evidence of an earlier perceived atrocity.
You're seriously going to argue that the people who were tortured had it coming? I suppose you also think the non-combatants in Tokyo, Dresden, etc. deserved to burn to death.
If you torture a few you only need to threaten the rest to comply.
Unlike the concentration camps, you don't have evidence of torture and you don't have evidence that other people noticed the torture and then fabricated their confessions.
I guess that's why he admitted to murdering 2.5 million Jews in Auschwitz.
Originally he said 3 million during his trial in Nuremburg, but revised it down later because even he thought the number was too high. The correct number is around 1.1 million
Shouldn't be a problem to show us then. But you probably just gonna tell me to read Mein Kampf again.
I want you to read Mien Kampf because I want you to actually listen to Hitler instead of just pretending he loved jews and would never hurt a fly. I don't expect you to have the necessary courage to read anything dissenting from the National Socialists.
As for asking me to show you evidence of documentation, literally pick something. It's like asking me to show you evidence that the US invaded Iraq.
Would you like to go over any to the tens of thousands of pages of transcripts, evidence, and testimony uploaded online by Harvard University; or the full trial transcript, called the "Blue Series" by the Library of Congress; or perhaps you'd like to browse the contents of the Holocaust Museum directly, or watch the old French Film Night and Fog made up almost entirely from the camp clean-up effort footage.
Pretending holocaust denier ever asserted that the concentrations camp never existed or the persecution of Jews didn't happen really doesn't work anymore.
Originally he said 3 million during his trial in Nuremburg, but revised it down later because even he thought the number was too high. The correct number is around 1.1 million
Yes, the meticulous Germans who managed to organize a genocide on industrial scale during a war where their resources were stretched to the absolute max and their supply lines were constantly bombed to shit but they just forgot keeping track. Thus it was just a stupid miscalculation by more than a 100%. Oops.
Just one document. Doesn't even have to be an order. A supply document showing the necessary deliveries for a genocide on this scale to the camps suffices. Shouldn't be a problem considering that the Brits broke Engima very early on in the war.
Oh you are referring to the confessions coerced through torture. Unfortunately those confessions couldn't be backed up by any paper trails because the National Socialists miraculously managed to destroy every single document pertaining to the industrial scaled mass murder of Jews.
No, not confessions through torture, most of the National Socialists (particularly the administrative staff) were not tortured. One of the Commandant's of Autchwitz freely expressed what he did and why he did it, and what the estimated the number of deaths to be.
Frankly, most of the actual people who did the direct killing were not tortured. The problem is that they were being mass executed on site when the concentration and death camps were discovered by infantry units. Infamously American infantrymen discovered one concentration camp, took many of the surrendered guards, handed the prisoners (most of whom were jews) tommy guns, and machine-gunned them to death as a reprisal killing for what the infantrymen considered to be atrocities. Similar reprisal killings took place during the liberation of Dachau, after the discovery of thousands dead prisoners on a rail-line.. This issue of infrantry units and commanders going absolutely ape-shit every time they found a concentration camp was dangerously common-place, to the point that the Allied Command set-up units designed explicitly to accept the surrender of camps and their garrisons in order to process the prisoners and prosecute war criminals without having reprisal killings. It's almost as if there was some specific reason that allied infantry were outraged to the point of open murder.
Now, thankfully, US officials managed to save the vast majority of the guards of these death camps and concentration camps for criminal prosecution. They were not tortured according to anything I've seen, and their testimony normally helped continuously prove the scope and depth of the holocaust and additional crimes against humanity conducted by the Nazi regime.
Many of those confessions weren't just backed up by paper trails, but also by massive amounts of physical evidence, including the camps themselves, and a clean-up operation that documented hundreds of thousands of dead in mass graves that took years to complete. One of the things about the Holocaust isn't that we don't have documentation on it, it's that we do. It's the most well documented genocide in history. There's less documentation on the Rwandan Genocide than there is on the Holocaust.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160820163011/http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223831/How-Britain-tortured-Nazi-PoWs-The-horrifying-interrogation-methods-belie-proud-boast-fought-clean-war.html
Thanks, at least we've got something to work off of.
Problem is this is mostly torture for military intelligence during war, then (effectively) reprisal torture and killings for specific war crimes. Not a large scale fabrication that every Nazi atrocity relating to the holocaust was a fabricated confession.
Kinda goes back to what I was saying earlier. Reprisal killings are evidence of an earlier perceived atrocity.
You're seriously going to argue that the people who were tortured had it coming? I suppose you also think the non-combatants in Tokyo, Dresden, etc. deserved to burn to death.
That's the fun thing about torture. If you torture a few you only need to threaten the rest to comply.
I guess that's why he admitted to murdering 2.5 million Jews in Auschwitz.
Shouldn't be a problem to show us then. But you probably just gonna tell me to read Mein Kampf again.
Unlike the concentration camps, you don't have evidence of torture and you don't have evidence that other people noticed the torture and then fabricated their confessions.
Originally he said 3 million during his trial in Nuremburg, but revised it down later because even he thought the number was too high. The correct number is around 1.1 million
I want you to read Mien Kampf because I want you to actually listen to Hitler instead of just pretending he loved jews and would never hurt a fly. I don't expect you to have the necessary courage to read anything dissenting from the National Socialists.
As for asking me to show you evidence of documentation, literally pick something. It's like asking me to show you evidence that the US invaded Iraq.
Would you like to go over any to the tens of thousands of pages of transcripts, evidence, and testimony uploaded online by Harvard University; or the full trial transcript, called the "Blue Series" by the Library of Congress; or perhaps you'd like to browse the contents of the Holocaust Museum directly, or watch the old French Film Night and Fog made up almost entirely from the camp clean-up effort footage.
Pretending holocaust denier ever asserted that the concentrations camp never existed or the persecution of Jews didn't happen really doesn't work anymore.
Yes, the meticulous Germans who managed to organize a genocide on industrial scale during a war where their resources were stretched to the absolute max and their supply lines were constantly bombed to shit but they just forgot keeping track. Thus it was just a stupid miscalculation by more than a 100%. Oops.
Just one document. Doesn't even have to be an order. A supply document showing the necessary deliveries for a genocide on this scale to the camps suffices. Shouldn't be a problem considering that the Brits broke Engima very early on in the war.