I'm going to guess these are examples in an area where the largest population of the school is "diverse". What will that mean? Cut the legs off the better schools and make sure they are all this bad. I'm also going to guess the teacher decline coincided with all the teachers giving more of a shit about gender and faggotry than education. Many of the things they mention are problems that my old school teachers solved by just plain not allowing the shit. Calculators, phones, Google (well that didn't exist yet, but Yahoo did)? All things that would have been forbidden in many/most cases.
I wish my youngest nephew wasn't about to start school or I could talk my brother out of it, he's 4 and can do close to half this list. At best, he's going to be fucking bored.
What little research I’ve seen suggests that low IQ largely cannot be fixed, but high IQ can absolutely be sabotaged. So ensuring equality of outcome by hacking down the smart kids is going to end up averaging us out much lower. Hopefully not so low that we lose indoor plumbing.
I think a lot of places plumbing requires electricity. California is already on the verge of failing to provide that, and South Africa is post-that. South Africa really is a model for where they want everyone to go. I don't know why people don't pay more attention. Maybe they figure it's because SA is in Africa so they're just screwed anyways. But that's not how I see it. SA is the UN's model country.
Sadly, it's everywhere. Even honor students in nice schools are years behind in academics, life skills, and social skills because of the lockdowns and phone addiction.
They towered over us, gleaming dully, three stories tall, steel dinosaurs. Dust mantled
them. Rust blossoms patterned their hides in complex overlays that made them look like
they'd been draped in oriental rugs. Pentagonal bolts as big as my hands studded their
armored plating and stitched together the vast sectioned pipes that spanned the
darkness and shot down black tunnels in every compass direction, reaching for every
neighborhood in the city. Moisture jewels gleamed and dripped from ancient joints. The
pumps thrummed on. Perfectly designed. Forgotten by everyone in the city above. Beasts
working without complaint, loyal despite abandonment.
Except that one of them had now gone silent.
I stifled an urge to get down on my knees and apologize for neglecting them, for
betraying these loyal machines that had run for more than a century.
Yeah they tried that with the older nephew after about a year of school wanting to push him to a doctor of course for ADHD or whatever. Yeah, that kid has no problem with a deficit of attention, if it's something he's interested in it will wear my attention out hours before he's done with it. It's because school is boring.
Then be more careful about using "you," because it's easily confused with a direct pronoun.
You can't just pretend those two years never happened
"Nobody should pretend those two years never happened"
"They can't fool us that those two years never happened"
"We all saw what happened to children over those two years"
There are limitless ways to convey the point without sounding like you're accusing the parent post, and because you've got a bit of a reputation of "I told you guys!" it's not unreasonable for someone to take it as a personal attack. Generally, one should avoid the use of the rhetorical "you" unless the meaning is perfectly clear.
So who's at fault here? The students for getting increasingly more violent, disruptive, and negligent of their studies? Or the teachers who enabled them by constantly looking the other way of their crimes, passing them while they failed, and voting for even more lax standards with their unions?
Ultimately, the parents. The parents enable the bad behavior at home, the parents don't hold the teachers and especially administrators/boards accountable for their terrible decisions, and - most importantly - the parents keep voting (most importantly on local but also federal and state levels) for the same stuff.
The teachers want to discipline bad students. The problem is that the school administrators won't support the teachers, so there's nothing the teachers can do to stop the bad behavior even if they want to.
Parents don't support the school administrators either. Just wait for Tyrone to get in trouble, the one time his parent will show up at the school do go on about "he dindu nuffin yew jus raciss".
I did contractor work for a school district about 20 years ago that I kid you not was run by 100% blacks, every single administration position and most of the teachers. I overheard nearly that exact conversation towards the black principal who was supposedly racist. Yeah, that school was a shitshow development center for future inmates, only one I respected there was that principal actually.
Blacks take over things like school districts. 'Round here, white kids have to go to private school. If you're too poor for that, hopefully you can move. It is vanishingly rare locally for white kids to go to public school past elementary. I don't like it, but this isn't my state either.
you would see them bitching about the bad students on tiktok
They already do this. Teachers have spent years on social media complaining about not being allowed to discipline and being ignored. Literally one of the top posts on /r/teachers as I'm typing this:
I was physically assaulted by a student and was told it was my fault.
Teachers. Any GenX or millennial had access to knowledge that their desired profession had gone to shit before they reached adulthood. Pay that has little correlation with performance, teachers unions, "right to education" making it inefficient to discipline problem students or separate the slowest quartile. The very concept and implications of state compulsory education.
Parents. A majority of people do not practice due diligence, and if so, with a level head. What should be standard is home schooling or being intimately familiar with curriculum. I repeat, voting for and tolerating the very concept of state compulsory, age cohort Prussian education.
Kids. The majority of people are retarded, else they'd reject Britney Spears, Billie Eilish, rnb slop (adjust for contemporaneous fashion). Bad taste predicts real educational outlook (ie talent, critical thinking) and perverse normie behaviors. Kids past kindergarten are capable of thinking for themselves, and often choose not to.
I've met adults like this. The system was designed for students to drop out and get a job they can handle. Now that all jobs require a highschool or even university degree, the schools just try to get rid of them.
It takes a lot of work to help students catch up, and faculty at schools don't want to spend their money doing this. Each student with known problems has a plan and dedicated workers to help them. However, I've seen schools try to pretend the money doesn't exist, or it's the parents fault, or anything else to explain where the money went. There's a lot of pressure to just move them on.
The grade system is at fault. If Timmy has a problem with reading, he needs help reading. If Jenny can't do math, then she needs help on that. The school lumps both together and demands everything work like it did 80 years ago.
When I was a kid they used "tracks" for middle school and high school so that kids were somewhat grouped together by intellect and performance. Special Ed kids only mixed with normal kids for PE. Now it seems they just toss all of the kids together - nigs, tards, ESL - they are all supposed to do "college prep" courses that are basically worthless.
The ability to catch back up isn't even considered. I have a foster kid who can catch up, but the system wants the money from his being stupid. If he catches up, it's from outside work.
There's a great book I read on this topic years ago. It's called The Underground History of American Education by John Taylor Gatto, a former teacher. You can download it for free off of archive sites.
Serious question: How are 15-18 year olds reading at a 3rd/4th grade level? They're on their dang cellphones all day.
The can't spell part I can understand with spellcheck, even I slacked off in my old age and would ballpark at times instead of slowing down.
Maf you got female maths to thank.
some type using their index fingers.
hahahahaha!
Oh, one last thing, when I was young I troubleshoot and reformat windows for the older folks in my church (remember when you get viruses just by being on the internet?) and now I'm old I'm troubleshooting and fixing pc, tablets, phones, whatever, for old and young people both side seems just happy never learning how to do things on their own and just ask people who knows for help. It's a damn shame.
All those years of participating in flame wars on boards paid off, I was trolling and shitposting at an 11th grade level before I even made it to high school.
I'm glad I got out when I did. That is atrocious. No wonder they don't you home schooling. You'll be ahead of high schoolers by the time you teach your kid what you oughta know in third grade.
That's a very important period in education and literacy. It's where you transition from 'learning to read', to 'reading to learn'.
What this means is that they learnt barely a single thing from all the books and reading they have done. They are still trying to make that transition out of the phrase where you are still learning to read, that's where all their attention is, sounding out the words and trying to just read the thing, rather than take anything from it. Imagine how behind they are in every other subject, because they can't really learn from anything written down yet.
Some disorders cap your reading at about that level, many people plateau at that point, its a notorious reading age, because its where so many cap out.
I'm going to guess these are examples in an area where the largest population of the school is "diverse". What will that mean? Cut the legs off the better schools and make sure they are all this bad. I'm also going to guess the teacher decline coincided with all the teachers giving more of a shit about gender and faggotry than education. Many of the things they mention are problems that my old school teachers solved by just plain not allowing the shit. Calculators, phones, Google (well that didn't exist yet, but Yahoo did)? All things that would have been forbidden in many/most cases.
I wish my youngest nephew wasn't about to start school or I could talk my brother out of it, he's 4 and can do close to half this list. At best, he's going to be fucking bored.
What little research I’ve seen suggests that low IQ largely cannot be fixed, but high IQ can absolutely be sabotaged. So ensuring equality of outcome by hacking down the smart kids is going to end up averaging us out much lower. Hopefully not so low that we lose indoor plumbing.
I think a lot of places plumbing requires electricity. California is already on the verge of failing to provide that, and South Africa is post-that. South Africa really is a model for where they want everyone to go. I don't know why people don't pay more attention. Maybe they figure it's because SA is in Africa so they're just screwed anyways. But that's not how I see it. SA is the UN's model country.
Well the UN was "reforming" SA long before Brazil and india became economic powerhouses.
Sadly, it's everywhere. Even honor students in nice schools are years behind in academics, life skills, and social skills because of the lockdowns and phone addiction.
They towered over us, gleaming dully, three stories tall, steel dinosaurs. Dust mantled them. Rust blossoms patterned their hides in complex overlays that made them look like they'd been draped in oriental rugs. Pentagonal bolts as big as my hands studded their armored plating and stitched together the vast sectioned pipes that spanned the darkness and shot down black tunnels in every compass direction, reaching for every neighborhood in the city. Moisture jewels gleamed and dripped from ancient joints. The pumps thrummed on. Perfectly designed. Forgotten by everyone in the city above. Beasts working without complaint, loyal despite abandonment.
Except that one of them had now gone silent.
I stifled an urge to get down on my knees and apologize for neglecting them, for betraying these loyal machines that had run for more than a century.
Pump Six and Other Stories - Paolo Bacigalupi
That's thr problem all smart kids have now. The lessons are so dumbed down, the boys finish instantly and get bored and restless. So they drug them.
Yeah they tried that with the older nephew after about a year of school wanting to push him to a doctor of course for ADHD or whatever. Yeah, that kid has no problem with a deficit of attention, if it's something he's interested in it will wear my attention out hours before he's done with it. It's because school is boring.
It's the cultural rot write large. You could point to anything. Lack of respect for authority. Screen time. Diversity.
Lol niggers and Mexicants, mostly niggers
It is trivially easy to sabotage a naturally smart white kid for life. Environment cannot fix low IQ, but it can starve and destroy high IQ.
Correct.
"...beginning to..."
It's been crumbling for decades
Fair enough. Comment removed.
TL;DR - grammar Nazi
Then be more careful about using "you," because it's easily confused with a direct pronoun.
"Nobody should pretend those two years never happened"
"They can't fool us that those two years never happened"
"We all saw what happened to children over those two years"
There are limitless ways to convey the point without sounding like you're accusing the parent post, and because you've got a bit of a reputation of "I told you guys!" it's not unreasonable for someone to take it as a personal attack. Generally, one should avoid the use of the rhetorical "you" unless the meaning is perfectly clear.
So who's at fault here? The students for getting increasingly more violent, disruptive, and negligent of their studies? Or the teachers who enabled them by constantly looking the other way of their crimes, passing them while they failed, and voting for even more lax standards with their unions?
Ultimately, the parents. The parents enable the bad behavior at home, the parents don't hold the teachers and especially administrators/boards accountable for their terrible decisions, and - most importantly - the parents keep voting (most importantly on local but also federal and state levels) for the same stuff.
Eisenhower, for forcibly integrating schools.
The teachers want to discipline bad students. The problem is that the school administrators won't support the teachers, so there's nothing the teachers can do to stop the bad behavior even if they want to.
Parents don't support the school administrators either. Just wait for Tyrone to get in trouble, the one time his parent will show up at the school do go on about "he dindu nuffin yew jus raciss".
I did contractor work for a school district about 20 years ago that I kid you not was run by 100% blacks, every single administration position and most of the teachers. I overheard nearly that exact conversation towards the black principal who was supposedly racist. Yeah, that school was a shitshow development center for future inmates, only one I respected there was that principal actually.
Blacks take over things like school districts. 'Round here, white kids have to go to private school. If you're too poor for that, hopefully you can move. It is vanishingly rare locally for white kids to go to public school past elementary. I don't like it, but this isn't my state either.
Yes, THANKS OBAMA. From 2012:
https://www.city-journal.org/article/undisciplined
They already do this. Teachers have spent years on social media complaining about not being allowed to discipline and being ignored. Literally one of the top posts on /r/teachers as I'm typing this:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/1b24u0g/i_was_physically_assaulted_by_a_student_and_was/
Bet he wouldn't answer what race is the student
These kid’s bad behavior was forged by parents throwing iPads at them the second they got unruly.
They are the ipad generation. First model came out in 2010. Freshmen are also 14 years old.
Teachers. Any GenX or millennial had access to knowledge that their desired profession had gone to shit before they reached adulthood. Pay that has little correlation with performance, teachers unions, "right to education" making it inefficient to discipline problem students or separate the slowest quartile. The very concept and implications of state compulsory education.
Parents. A majority of people do not practice due diligence, and if so, with a level head. What should be standard is home schooling or being intimately familiar with curriculum. I repeat, voting for and tolerating the very concept of state compulsory, age cohort Prussian education.
Kids. The majority of people are retarded, else they'd reject Britney Spears, Billie Eilish, rnb slop (adjust for contemporaneous fashion). Bad taste predicts real educational outlook (ie talent, critical thinking) and perverse normie behaviors. Kids past kindergarten are capable of thinking for themselves, and often choose not to.
Why would you need that when money always magically appears to take your debt away?
Debt isn’t even real to them if they don’t understand negative.
I've met adults like this. The system was designed for students to drop out and get a job they can handle. Now that all jobs require a highschool or even university degree, the schools just try to get rid of them.
It takes a lot of work to help students catch up, and faculty at schools don't want to spend their money doing this. Each student with known problems has a plan and dedicated workers to help them. However, I've seen schools try to pretend the money doesn't exist, or it's the parents fault, or anything else to explain where the money went. There's a lot of pressure to just move them on.
The grade system is at fault. If Timmy has a problem with reading, he needs help reading. If Jenny can't do math, then she needs help on that. The school lumps both together and demands everything work like it did 80 years ago.
When I was a kid they used "tracks" for middle school and high school so that kids were somewhat grouped together by intellect and performance. Special Ed kids only mixed with normal kids for PE. Now it seems they just toss all of the kids together - nigs, tards, ESL - they are all supposed to do "college prep" courses that are basically worthless.
The ability to catch back up isn't even considered. I have a foster kid who can catch up, but the system wants the money from his being stupid. If he catches up, it's from outside work.
Where there's cheese, there's mice.
End all government schools. It was trash years ago, and now it's too rotten to be saved.
They also don't know how they would feel if they didn't have breakfest that morning.
Demographics is destiny.
I highly recommend reading the Reddit thread in the OP. It's terrifying.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/1axhne2/the_public_needs_to_know_the_ugly_truth_students/
There's a great book I read on this topic years ago. It's called The Underground History of American Education by John Taylor Gatto, a former teacher. You can download it for free off of archive sites.
Also https://www.thecoddling.com/
Serious question: How are 15-18 year olds reading at a 3rd/4th grade level? They're on their dang cellphones all day.
The can't spell part I can understand with spellcheck, even I slacked off in my old age and would ballpark at times instead of slowing down.
Maf you got female maths to thank.
hahahahaha!
Oh, one last thing, when I was young I troubleshoot and reformat windows for the older folks in my church (remember when you get viruses just by being on the internet?) and now I'm old I'm troubleshooting and fixing pc, tablets, phones, whatever, for old and young people both side seems just happy never learning how to do things on their own and just ask people who knows for help. It's a damn shame.
They spend their day watching videos on TikTok, not reading.
All those years of participating in flame wars on boards paid off, I was trolling and shitposting at an 11th grade level before I even made it to high school.
Shitposting is quickly becoming a lost art.
Trolling too honestly. New age forums don't really cultivate it. We need to renaissance of PHP bulletin boards.
I laughed more than I should have.
God I miss old forum culture.
Also what is the race of these students?
I'm glad I got out when I did. That is atrocious. No wonder they don't you home schooling. You'll be ahead of high schoolers by the time you teach your kid what you oughta know in third grade.
How much of this is the decay of education and how much of this is an influx of non-Whites?
Black and Hispanic students nationwide, in every grade. To be surprised is to be completely unaware of the realities of America.
Leftists will never understand that it doesn't matter how good the education system is, there's no cure for low-IQ.
That 3rd/4th grade level is interesting.
That's a very important period in education and literacy. It's where you transition from 'learning to read', to 'reading to learn'.
What this means is that they learnt barely a single thing from all the books and reading they have done. They are still trying to make that transition out of the phrase where you are still learning to read, that's where all their attention is, sounding out the words and trying to just read the thing, rather than take anything from it. Imagine how behind they are in every other subject, because they can't really learn from anything written down yet.
Some disorders cap your reading at about that level, many people plateau at that point, its a notorious reading age, because its where so many cap out.
Something something import 3rd world become 3rd world.
Homeschool your [white] kids!
Let the zoo animals go to public schools.
But when Cormac mcarthy writes that way its "brilliant."
This is by design, they don't know how to read but they know that the "system" needs to be smashed.