They must not have realised this was real till the explosions happened, a lot of people have that 'deer in the headlights' response when they encounter a threat they aren't used too.
But this is worse than Vietnam when officers were frequently hurt/killed in 'friendly fire'. Turns out conscripting people then giving them weapons expecting them to fight doesn't work out..
It probably didn't mentally register as him tossing hand grenades. It's just so abnormal that a person's mind might not even consider it in that environment.
He probably didn't want to be imprisoned. if he was conscripted, and this was in retaliation for him being conscripted, he probably figured his life was over. In that case, he likely thought he had one of two options: die fighting the invading army, or die sending a message to the corrupt government that insists on perpetuating the war.
I was already ready to die in my house fighting off zogbots, trying to drag me out to a concentration camp, for being unvaxxed. It very nearly came to that, and I said my prayers and made my peace. I've crossed the Rubicon. I am ready. Even if only those who are unvaxxed pick up their guns and fight for God— it'll be more than enough to send them all back to hell.
I just cannot fathom the lack of survival instinct in that room. Not one person tries to run for cover/the corners, they just cower in their seats.
Sure maybe some think it's a bluff, like that guy councillor nearest the camera. But some of them are obviously terrified, but not one of them does a thing.
It's very easy to understand. You already know what happened. Nobody else in that room knew that at the time. They're just listening to someone talk and some other guy casually tosses something on the floor.
Exactly. Show this video to someone who has never seen it before and ask them to react in real time, narrating what they would do. They'd be like "ok he's reaching into his pocket, what, what is that? Is that a grenade? Oh shit!" and that's with their suspicions already up because you're showing them a crazy video.
Even people who are switched on, they're used to conflict that escalates. Almost no one is prepared to go 0 to 100 in half a second.
The woman nearest looks directly at the grenades in his hand as he pulls them out and pulls the pins. And almost everyone looks at them on the floor after he tossed them. I just assume most people at least in a wartime Slavic country to know the idea of grenades quite well. Like I say some of them look way too scared for "guy dropped something heavy", it just translates into cowering instead of any real kind of action.
The only people who fight or flight are those who train their responses and reaction times to those kinds of situations. Otherwise the average person does not have the developed senses and reflexes to do anything within the short amount of time afforded for a random attack to occur.
there's a fourth response "flop" where you basically make like a fainting goat, but yeah adrenaline does weird things, even in situations that are completely safe, where you know you can't get hurt adrenal responses can fuck you up big time
Stop pretending. It happened so fast and the context didn't even allow you to parse the information, much less make a risk assessment. It came out of nowhere.
People aren't prone to change unless under pain and hardship. When people are comfortable, they remain as they are, even sitting, right until the moment before the explosion, because the explosion hasn't happened yet. People will just keep doing what they're doing, because they're comfortable, even if heading right toward a cliff.
This problem is exacerbated because Western peoples have been so comfortable for so long, that our survival instincts have been dulled a great deal. We rely on others to save us, and face almost no dangers ourselves.
Every good self defense course will tell you to remain at a heightened alert, to watch what people do, so you are prepared for the attack and react to it before it happens. Most people aren't like that. Again, their survival instincts have been dulled.
Thus, you have situations exactly like this. Even a moderately aware person, even assuming it could be a joke, would have run for their lives and/or tried to save/warn others, or stopped the assailant, immediately upon seeing grenades being pulled from that man's pockets. To do anything less is to invite death.
I know you guys just love to imagine that every suicidal murderer is on your side, but this guy was a member of parliament, so he likely would have been immune to conscription. His motives are unknown at this time.
That was brutal… just that one lady next to him had 0 reflex to him dropping pineapples. She seemed more perturbed about the pin he flung at her eye than a fucking grenade hitting the floor behind her.
They must not have realised this was real till the explosions happened, a lot of people have that 'deer in the headlights' response when they encounter a threat they aren't used too.
But this is worse than Vietnam when officers were frequently hurt/killed in 'friendly fire'. Turns out conscripting people then giving them weapons expecting them to fight doesn't work out..
And that is why typically, in conscript militaries, you don't give them live ammunition until they're at the front.
It probably didn't mentally register as him tossing hand grenades. It's just so abnormal that a person's mind might not even consider it in that environment.
Why are women even in the room when it's war talks again? Imp was right.
See that's how you effect change.
The one time that it's actually "effect" as a verb, apparently.
Well sonofabitch. Thanks.
Holy shit.
Dude, chuck them in the room and then close the door
He probably didn't want to be imprisoned. if he was conscripted, and this was in retaliation for him being conscripted, he probably figured his life was over. In that case, he likely thought he had one of two options: die fighting the invading army, or die sending a message to the corrupt government that insists on perpetuating the war.
I was already ready to die in my house fighting off zogbots, trying to drag me out to a concentration camp, for being unvaxxed. It very nearly came to that, and I said my prayers and made my peace. I've crossed the Rubicon. I am ready. Even if only those who are unvaxxed pick up their guns and fight for God— it'll be more than enough to send them all back to hell.
Me too.
You're conscripting me into your army? Okay, then I'll see you at the firing range...but you know how accidents can happen there...
He went Full Metal Jacket on that one...
I just cannot fathom the lack of survival instinct in that room. Not one person tries to run for cover/the corners, they just cower in their seats.
Sure maybe some think it's a bluff, like that guy councillor nearest the camera. But some of them are obviously terrified, but not one of them does a thing.
It's very easy to understand. You already know what happened. Nobody else in that room knew that at the time. They're just listening to someone talk and some other guy casually tosses something on the floor.
He tried to get their attention and they ignored him because of their own politics. Sort of appropriate really.
Exactly. Show this video to someone who has never seen it before and ask them to react in real time, narrating what they would do. They'd be like "ok he's reaching into his pocket, what, what is that? Is that a grenade? Oh shit!" and that's with their suspicions already up because you're showing them a crazy video.
Even people who are switched on, they're used to conflict that escalates. Almost no one is prepared to go 0 to 100 in half a second.
The woman nearest looks directly at the grenades in his hand as he pulls them out and pulls the pins. And almost everyone looks at them on the floor after he tossed them. I just assume most people at least in a wartime Slavic country to know the idea of grenades quite well. Like I say some of them look way too scared for "guy dropped something heavy", it just translates into cowering instead of any real kind of action.
It translates into exactly what I said above and nothing more.
I guess not. :)
I do think this speaks to the problems in that corrupt country, and the fact that these are the kinds of people running things. NGMI
Fight, flight, or freeze:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/fight-flight-or-freeze-response
The only people who fight or flight are those who train their responses and reaction times to those kinds of situations. Otherwise the average person does not have the developed senses and reflexes to do anything within the short amount of time afforded for a random attack to occur.
there's a fourth response "flop" where you basically make like a fainting goat, but yeah adrenaline does weird things, even in situations that are completely safe, where you know you can't get hurt adrenal responses can fuck you up big time
Stop pretending. It happened so fast and the context didn't even allow you to parse the information, much less make a risk assessment. It came out of nowhere.
Yeah if you weren't on alert already, the guy would have blended into the background noise
I can't understand how he threw several grenades supposedly and no one died
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_ball
If it was just an explosive grenade and not shrapnel grenades they could just be slowly bleeding to death from internal injuries over a few days.
If you think it was one of those you are a fucking retard.
skill issues
noobs
People aren't prone to change unless under pain and hardship. When people are comfortable, they remain as they are, even sitting, right until the moment before the explosion, because the explosion hasn't happened yet. People will just keep doing what they're doing, because they're comfortable, even if heading right toward a cliff.
This problem is exacerbated because Western peoples have been so comfortable for so long, that our survival instincts have been dulled a great deal. We rely on others to save us, and face almost no dangers ourselves.
Every good self defense course will tell you to remain at a heightened alert, to watch what people do, so you are prepared for the attack and react to it before it happens. Most people aren't like that. Again, their survival instincts have been dulled.
Thus, you have situations exactly like this. Even a moderately aware person, even assuming it could be a joke, would have run for their lives and/or tried to save/warn others, or stopped the assailant, immediately upon seeing grenades being pulled from that man's pockets. To do anything less is to invite death.
Politicians want to send you to the battlefield? Bring the battlefield to the politicians.
What are the people in the room? Are they going to be the ones giving him his draft papers and smile while doing it?
That's one extremely tiny door, or one extremely tall man.
I know you guys just love to imagine that every suicidal murderer is on your side, but this guy was a member of parliament, so he likely would have been immune to conscription. His motives are unknown at this time.
Any anti-war reasons would be heavily censored and covered up like the Audrey Hale manifesto.
So I’m going to go ahead and assume he was anti-war until as long as it takes a government to release the JFK assassination files!
All he had to do was say "this is for the war" or whatever right after dropping the grenades, so I'm going to assume he was a fucking retard.
Gone. Anybody have a mirror?
https://x.com/jix5a/status/1735686342980305097
And this is why we archive.
Jesus, really puts my bad mornings into perspective.
Why is the one person censored here the very cock sucker that did it? Fuck sake.
That was brutal… just that one lady next to him had 0 reflex to him dropping pineapples. She seemed more perturbed about the pin he flung at her eye than a fucking grenade hitting the floor behind her.
Guy needed to throw those into multiple corners of the room. Amazed only 1 person died.
I like the clip in the comments of the fat bald guy watching a grenade dropped at his feet and doing nothing.
Did he actually die from the blasts? the 3rd one looked pretty close to him.
Tell me the one was that oblivious fat guy.