EVERYONE knew Russia would win this from the start.
I have been under the impression since almost week 1 of the invasion that Russia had already basically achieved its goals and most of what has happened since then is impotent tantrum-throwing by globohomo.
Dekachin is also apparently too busy winning internet arguments on Twitter with his formidable "I am a weapon" lawyerly brilliance to spend time here anymore.
I liked most of his discussion contributions but if there was ever a better embodiment of "delusions of grandeur," I'm having trouble recalling of who it was.
I'm pro Ukraine, because being attacked by another nation is shit. I know some Ukrainian people and they're nice and just everyday people like I and every other white European.
I'm anti Zelensky, and I don't think he has the best of the Ukrainian people in mind.
I don't think Ukraine has (ever had) a chance of winning the war. The only option was if NATO would've entered the war fully with soldiers & full weapon support. Since that's not on the table (and I don't call for that) it's a war of attrition killing thousands of Ukrainians for nothing.
There should be peace with Ukraine losing some territories (Crimea, Donbass, ...). After that I personally wish that Ukraine would get NATO protection, but I don't know if that is feasible. Again that's a personal wish, not a logical step.
Ukraine should not be part of the EU, corruption is way too deeply rooted in it atm (see Zelensky).
There were thousands of deliberate "Fuck You" violations of the Minsk Accords, including artillery shelling of Russian oil drilling operations in the Donbass.
At this point the Ukrainians should present the Russians with the bodies of their unelected leadership and beg for mercy. Instead they get a chance to be an example.
Ethnically Russian areas are not interested in being ruled by the Ukrainians and their cross dressing gay jew actor president.
It's the same logic we used to bomb Serbia until they gave up Kosovo despite Kosovo being both the ancestral serbian homeland as well as a integral part of Modern Serbia.
And the solution of that is invasion and rape of the ordinary people who live there?
Edit: everyone in the west is living under a "corrupt puppet government". When an outside power invaded, rapes your children, and destroys your city, you will know how the average Ukrainian feels.
Ukraine will run out of people faster than Russia. Ukraine needs to look for peace even if that means they lose land. Lets be honest, they no longer have the population for those lands anyways.
The lives of Ukrainian people are more important than the land and Zelensky's megalomaniac larp. Alternatively he can get his ass on the front and fight like he wants everyone else to do.
Eh, there has always been a bit of a split, though its actually been more in favor of Russia than Ukraine. Only a few exceptionally vocal accounts have been pro Ukraine, and they have been more or less chased off because they keep getting called out....plus at least one of them tends to glow a lot (constantly trying to drive a knife into populist movements, and create schisms).
I pointed this out to someone recently. If you look at the news Ukraine is always winning, winning, winning; Russia is always losing, losing losing.
However, I pointed out that Russia is always "losing" at a new town every month or so, and those towns they keep "losing" are always moving westward...
However, I pointed out that Russia is always "losing" at a new town every month or so, and those towns they keep "losing" are always moving westward...
They took a page straight out of Imperial Japan's propaganda playbook.
It is. If you read the article it implies Ukraine is losing basically because they aren't trying. Also Glumpf can't get elected because he would stop aiding Ukraine and that's bad
Russia has de-facto annexed Crimea, breezed-through large parts of Eastern provinces, and the Ukrainian army with the whole financial, strategic and weapon shipments backing of Europe and the USA, has been unable to push the Russian forces out.
"For the first time it looks like Russia could win."
~Presstitutes who lied about everything.
It's not the fist time Russia has de-facto annexed russified parts of its neighbours. All the West does is send strongly-worded letters. Russia knows the USA and Europe are weak.
all the territories taken were 90%+ russian already. elon suggested the UN hold a referendum for each territory, requiring 90%+ vote to have it switch to russia, and they tried to cancel him for it... because anyone who actually checked the facts knows these people wanted it. the "resistance" wasn't even locals. they were outsiders from elsewhere who wanted to keep more tax slaves.
That whole part of the war where tens of thousands of soldiers drove towards Kiev, basically just parked on the road for weeks, nobody shot artillery or dropped bombs on them, and they just turned around and drove back to Belarus was really weird.
I lost track of what it would mean to “win.” When this started, the media assured me that if Putin didn’t conquer all of Ukraine within a couple of days it would be a unmitigated disaster for him and prove how meaningless he and his army were. So how can he win when he apparently already lost? The media wasn’t feeding me bullshit, were they? :o
Israel won the war for him. They get slapped around by sand people, the US drops whatever war-profiteering is going on and shifts over to that. Zelenski's yachts are headline news and the NPCs have already been issued their patch update to shift their attention elsewhere.
I'm guessing Putin and Zelenskyy have decided they've laundered enough of our tax money and are going to shut down the show and pay off our uniparty politicians (10% to the Big guy).
Apparently they're alerting their MSM useful idiots.
At this point he could threaten the nato states and not much would happen. The times that they think they can just draft people into military service if the country is threatened arent there anymore, if most people cant even stand their own government.
That land bridge is actually in jeopardy. It will not really take much to bring it into artillery range. They have already breached one of those anti-tank barriers. But the winter might slow things down.
Who isn't broke as fuck? Literally every nation on earth has enough debt to last the next 100 years. I'll put bets on russia who actually harvest carbon energy sources which are the source of all industrial wealth.
Meanwhile the collective west doubles down on climate change as a way to off ramp even more energy supplies.
What kind of people listen to these government propagandists?
EVERYONE knew Russia would win this from the start.
I have been under the impression since almost week 1 of the invasion that Russia had already basically achieved its goals and most of what has happened since then is impotent tantrum-throwing by globohomo.
Nah, this board was chockablock with shills for the Ukro scum.
I wonder if those accounts are still around?
Or were they just used to push pro Ukkraine lies?
They are pushing pro-Israel propaganda now.
You could watch the switch in real time, and not just on this board. "What time is it in Tel Aviv?" could be asked all around.
If I see Supreme Retard, I'll have to ask him for you.
Dekachin is also apparently too busy winning internet arguments on Twitter with his formidable "I am a weapon" lawyerly brilliance to spend time here anymore.
He found the special bus more his speed huh?
I liked most of his discussion contributions but if there was ever a better embodiment of "delusions of grandeur," I'm having trouble recalling of who it was.
blackwaterodyssee?
Philosoraptor?
Oh and I figured it was because of that one time he got publicly humiliated by my wife.
Ah dekachin. Ya he was all about Ukraine
I'm pro Ukraine, because being attacked by another nation is shit. I know some Ukrainian people and they're nice and just everyday people like I and every other white European.
I'm anti Zelensky, and I don't think he has the best of the Ukrainian people in mind.
I don't think Ukraine has (ever had) a chance of winning the war. The only option was if NATO would've entered the war fully with soldiers & full weapon support. Since that's not on the table (and I don't call for that) it's a war of attrition killing thousands of Ukrainians for nothing.
There should be peace with Ukraine losing some territories (Crimea, Donbass, ...). After that I personally wish that Ukraine would get NATO protection, but I don't know if that is feasible. Again that's a personal wish, not a logical step.
Ukraine should not be part of the EU, corruption is way too deeply rooted in it atm (see Zelensky).
There were thousands of deliberate "Fuck You" violations of the Minsk Accords, including artillery shelling of Russian oil drilling operations in the Donbass.
At this point the Ukrainians should present the Russians with the bodies of their unelected leadership and beg for mercy. Instead they get a chance to be an example.
What did you think was going to happen?
Sounds like a perfect fit for the EU then.
Ethnically Russian areas are not interested in being ruled by the Ukrainians and their cross dressing gay jew actor president.
It's the same logic we used to bomb Serbia until they gave up Kosovo despite Kosovo being both the ancestral serbian homeland as well as a integral part of Modern Serbia.
It's like "Free Tibet", even "Free Cuba", but never Free Ukraine.
Still around.
Those who think Putin is benevolent have never lived in Russia.
Ukraine is far from perfect, but the invasion by Muslim chechens raping and pillaging white Ukrainians is abhorrent.
Still slaying those strawmen, eh?
Still totally ignorant of actual Russian culture/life, eh?
So now a false dichotomy?
You can think that Putin is a prick and still not support violation of the Minsk Accords, money laundering or an unelected puppet government.
And the solution of that is invasion and rape of the ordinary people who live there?
Edit: everyone in the west is living under a "corrupt puppet government". When an outside power invaded, rapes your children, and destroys your city, you will know how the average Ukrainian feels.
Still slaying those strawmen, eh?
Still totally ignorant of actual Russian culture/life, eh?
True but the argument that "Russia is obviously going to win this!" is independent of the argument "Putin is a great guy."
Like most Russian "victories", they are phyrric at best
Ukraine will run out of people faster than Russia. Ukraine needs to look for peace even if that means they lose land. Lets be honest, they no longer have the population for those lands anyways.
The lives of Ukrainian people are more important than the land and Zelensky's megalomaniac larp. Alternatively he can get his ass on the front and fight like he wants everyone else to do.
That's only true if Ukraine keeps trying stupid "counter offensives". Slow coordinated retreats and guerilla tactics would be more effective.
That or assaulting Russian territory weak points, which nato has forbidden them to do.
Frankly I think they would have been better rejecting western support and fighting dirty from the start.
Eh, there has always been a bit of a split, though its actually been more in favor of Russia than Ukraine. Only a few exceptionally vocal accounts have been pro Ukraine, and they have been more or less chased off because they keep getting called out....plus at least one of them tends to glow a lot (constantly trying to drive a knife into populist movements, and create schisms).
I pointed this out to someone recently. If you look at the news Ukraine is always winning, winning, winning; Russia is always losing, losing losing.
However, I pointed out that Russia is always "losing" at a new town every month or so, and those towns they keep "losing" are always moving westward...
They took a page straight out of Imperial Japan's propaganda playbook.
the war was never meant to be won. it was meant to be forever.
That horseshit over in Israel fucked up the plan.
I have doubts, this may just be a propaganda in itself because people lost focus/ support for Ukraine.
I expect the CIA will try to take Putin out if Russia's victory was certain.
It is. If you read the article it implies Ukraine is losing basically because they aren't trying. Also Glumpf can't get elected because he would stop aiding Ukraine and that's bad
What the fuck are these 'experts' on? We all KNEW Russia would win, the only question would be how much each side bled for it.
This. The shocker to the world was that Russia didn't blow through the Ukraine like Germany blew through France in 1940.
Instead, they're winning the only way Russia seems to know how- keep both sides dying until the other side runs out of soldiers.
Russia has de-facto annexed Crimea, breezed-through large parts of Eastern provinces, and the Ukrainian army with the whole financial, strategic and weapon shipments backing of Europe and the USA, has been unable to push the Russian forces out.
"For the first time it looks like Russia could win."
~Presstitutes who lied about everything.
It's not the fist time Russia has de-facto annexed russified parts of its neighbours. All the West does is send strongly-worded letters. Russia knows the USA and Europe are weak.
it wasn't even a war.
all the territories taken were 90%+ russian already. elon suggested the UN hold a referendum for each territory, requiring 90%+ vote to have it switch to russia, and they tried to cancel him for it... because anyone who actually checked the facts knows these people wanted it. the "resistance" wasn't even locals. they were outsiders from elsewhere who wanted to keep more tax slaves.
That whole part of the war where tens of thousands of soldiers drove towards Kiev, basically just parked on the road for weeks, nobody shot artillery or dropped bombs on them, and they just turned around and drove back to Belarus was really weird.
Not really. There were several upsets and Russia embarrassed itself quite thoroughly and continues to do so.
Accurate and under stated. Even the west expected it to fall quickly.
I lost track of what it would mean to “win.” When this started, the media assured me that if Putin didn’t conquer all of Ukraine within a couple of days it would be a unmitigated disaster for him and prove how meaningless he and his army were. So how can he win when he apparently already lost? The media wasn’t feeding me bullshit, were they? :o
Russia has bled severely due to Ukraine. It paid quite a high price. Don't underestimate the ramifications this engagement will have for Russia.
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"We've siphoned all the money out of the clueless masses we can with this, time to pack it up and blame them"
If only Americans had kept the Ukraine flag on their profiles longer.
Israel won the war for him. They get slapped around by sand people, the US drops whatever war-profiteering is going on and shifts over to that. Zelenski's yachts are headline news and the NPCs have already been issued their patch update to shift their attention elsewhere.
I'm guessing Putin and Zelenskyy have decided they've laundered enough of our tax money and are going to shut down the show and pay off our uniparty politicians (10% to the Big guy).
Apparently they're alerting their MSM useful idiots.
At this point he could threaten the nato states and not much would happen. The times that they think they can just draft people into military service if the country is threatened arent there anymore, if most people cant even stand their own government.
well money laundering party is over
I am not sure how I can transport all this isotope-rich salt to the homeland.
Putin wanted to “rid the donbas of Nazis” - you don’t think he has already achieved this?
He now has his land bridge to Crimea and of course Crimea.
That land bridge is actually in jeopardy. It will not really take much to bring it into artillery range. They have already breached one of those anti-tank barriers. But the winter might slow things down.
Zelensky’s rule is in jeopardy.
He was elected because he ran on reinstating the Minsk peace accords. As soon as he was elected he did the exact opposite.
Now he has banned elections and arrests journalists.
Is this the new edition of "THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN!!!11"?
Who isn't broke as fuck? Literally every nation on earth has enough debt to last the next 100 years. I'll put bets on russia who actually harvest carbon energy sources which are the source of all industrial wealth.
Meanwhile the collective west doubles down on climate change as a way to off ramp even more energy supplies.