Where are they going to go though? Indiana Jones isn't really a franchise that can be expanded upon, so that's likely out...are they going to go all in on Lorcana?
They are hard at work in destroying their classics like: the little mermaid or snow white. Once they go thru all that, who knows.
Live action duck tales where every character is a black woman exploring gender identity and being anti-colonialism ?
Another case of “all you had to do was understand your demographic”. Don’t crap all over Luke and let him mentor Rey and I guarantee the movie is much better received
I think a panel of competent writers could fix most of the Star Wars swirl trilogy in an afternoon. The problem is the “white board”. You know, the one filled top to bottom with progressive buzzwords that have nothing to do with telling a good story. As long as that white board is in the room, Disney will continue to suck.
Edit: I meant to type “sequel” trilogy, but swirl is better.
Star Wars also requires that "it" factor of the Force though, which is something you have to understand philosophically. The Force is a metaphor for God: the source of true goodness, investing every choice with meaning, and supreme. You can't just grab the guy who wrote Dune and expect him to turn out a great Star Wars script because he has a totally different view of the world and attempting to ape the Star Wars atmosphere will come off as cynical or clumsy.
For example, Rogue One had an interesting idea to explore the Rebellion committing necessary evils, but the whole idea of the rebels being a bunch of sociopathic CIA hardasses kind of defeats the point of the Rebellion itself, because we know what the CIA turns into and it ain't pretty. Also Jyn Erso's Disney speech was an uncomfortably maudlin fusion of Belle and Patton.
Star Wars also requires that "it" factor of the Force though, which is something you have to understand philosophically.
Lucas could barely keep it coherent or having any actual philosophy behind it. It only ever worked when it was so vague it barely had any substance and your mind just filled it in.
Even your definition only works for a couple of characters and a handful of scenes overall.
Star Wars isn't an intellectual treatise, but there is a consistent underlying structure and its mode of expression is highly affecting and occasionally sophisticated in imagery, musical score, and symbolism. The meaning may be simple, but to fully understand it you also have to understand its transformation into cinema, and that's complex.
This doesn't even get into the problem of reproduction. Star Wars is a product of the auteur era and only an auteur could effectively capture it authentically.
Like I'm sure Gareth Edwards is more than capable of understanding the philosophy of Star Wars. But he just doesn't.
No joke, Admiral Radish is the best character in the entire Disney SW franchise. Chads right past the impotent female leadership of the rebels and actually has the gall to take the fight to the enemy.
And he has about ten minutes of screen time before he dies.
It's abundantly clear that at least two different people made that movie, it's so incredibly schizophrenic about tone and pacing.
It's abundantly clear that at least two different people made that movie, it's so incredibly schizophrenic about tone and pacing.
This.
There are like a handful of films in that one.
The beginning is nothing like the middle and the middle is nothing like the end.
There are fractional sequences in between each major act that seem like they come from completely different films, and none of it is remotely cohesive.
The only saving grace for the film is that some of the characters are likable, and the entire end-heist/space/beach-battle is the only proper epic Star Wars moment in the entire nu-Disney saga, and the Darth Vader scene is a proper nod to how the character was portrayed in Empire Strikes Back.
Ugh, the middle of that movie. I would love to know what the basis was for introducing the brain fucking interrogation alien. Imagine being at that pitch meeting.
I know I'm an EU fan so I am biased, but when they decided to do away with it you would think someone would say "you know those are some of the most hardcore fans, so maybe we should just continue those stories in a separate continuity while having our main canon".
I've seen so many Youtubers give their Sequel Trilogy ideas and they all sound a lot better than what we got. Heck if you just want to cater to the fans and do fan service..... have Luke be the one to catch that lightsabert in TFA and he runs of Kylo Ren who has defeated Rey.
I wonder if it’s even possible to satisfy the progressive white board while telling a good story. Some of those leftist requirements go beyond diversity casting and extend to plot and character requirements that are entirely at odds with good storytelling. It’s one thing to say “half or more of the people in every scene need to be female” and quite another to say “our female lead can never be shown demonstrating weakness or any negative character trait”.
It is, but it requires a considerable amount of work and thought to be put into the holistic picture. You can't just write scenes then write the leadins to those in a string of lines like many productions do.
Which means you'd need one person with a good sense of self awareness working without executives constantly rewriting pieces (and thus disrupting the overall body). Leaving it impossible in practice to actually reach.
You could do a pretty good 'passing the torch' story by simply using the Thrawn Trilogy(with some allusions to Jedi Academy) with very few modifications.
Of course, if they wanted to go complete balls to the wall, simply use the Legacy comics and keep one particular characters heritage as a 'wham' moment.
Now that I can’t speak to, I haven’t played since the year it came out - but I heard BioWare just handed off development / management of it to another company which doesn’t bode well
I don't know if she was a bad actress or if her dialogue was just that bad. If I were to be generous I'd say the latter from that unbelievably retarded line of "this is a rebellion isn't it, I rebel."
Just reading that one made me cringe inwards. I believe it could be a mix of both, she always has had this dead fish out of water look, line delivery sad awkward etc.
Controversial opinion here, but I don't think the 8th film would have been much better received even with those changes.
Nothing in the entire 8th film movie makes sense. You touch on the Luke plotline, but nothing else in the story makes sense or even has object permanence. The entire story is just pretty scenes put together without any though on plot, consistency, or even relevance to the story. Viewers would have still caught on that it was a giant pile of shit.
I think if a handful of parts were changed to be better recieved it would have worked just enough to make people just consume product. They'd have their gripes, but they wouldn't wake up to the greater issue.
The same way that TFA was pretty well recieved and liked until TLJ came out, then suddenly everyone was rushing back to complain about how much of it was wrong.
That movie could have done two things and been successful. It could have taken the plot threads from the first movie and expanded upon them while introducing some new supportive elements, or it could’ve gone all Temple of Doom and just been a random-ass adventure while Rey goes around on some Jedi spirit quest or something.
My sincere hope is that Disney goes completely bankrupt so suddenly, and every other studio is failing simultaneously, that they lose control of their IPs and they enter the public domain.
An apt analogy since just like in the story greed made them try to cut the gooses belly open and get all the eggs at once and turned the gold to pig iron.
"Failure" has four letters in the NewSpeak AmSoc dictionary. No matter how badly a xir shits the bed, as long as they have at least one Oppression Point, they can ride the ship down to the ocean floor with zero repercussions.
Marvel and Star Wars have been sufficiently ruined and sucked dry. On to the next franchise like the locusts they are.
Where are they going to go though? Indiana Jones isn't really a franchise that can be expanded upon, so that's likely out...are they going to go all in on Lorcana?
They are hard at work in destroying their classics like: the little mermaid or snow white. Once they go thru all that, who knows. Live action duck tales where every character is a black woman exploring gender identity and being anti-colonialism ?
Another case of “all you had to do was understand your demographic”. Don’t crap all over Luke and let him mentor Rey and I guarantee the movie is much better received
I think a panel of competent writers could fix most of the Star Wars swirl trilogy in an afternoon. The problem is the “white board”. You know, the one filled top to bottom with progressive buzzwords that have nothing to do with telling a good story. As long as that white board is in the room, Disney will continue to suck.
Edit: I meant to type “sequel” trilogy, but swirl is better.
Star Wars also requires that "it" factor of the Force though, which is something you have to understand philosophically. The Force is a metaphor for God: the source of true goodness, investing every choice with meaning, and supreme. You can't just grab the guy who wrote Dune and expect him to turn out a great Star Wars script because he has a totally different view of the world and attempting to ape the Star Wars atmosphere will come off as cynical or clumsy.
For example, Rogue One had an interesting idea to explore the Rebellion committing necessary evils, but the whole idea of the rebels being a bunch of sociopathic CIA hardasses kind of defeats the point of the Rebellion itself, because we know what the CIA turns into and it ain't pretty. Also Jyn Erso's Disney speech was an uncomfortably maudlin fusion of Belle and Patton.
Lucas could barely keep it coherent or having any actual philosophy behind it. It only ever worked when it was so vague it barely had any substance and your mind just filled it in.
Even your definition only works for a couple of characters and a handful of scenes overall.
Star Wars isn't an intellectual treatise, but there is a consistent underlying structure and its mode of expression is highly affecting and occasionally sophisticated in imagery, musical score, and symbolism. The meaning may be simple, but to fully understand it you also have to understand its transformation into cinema, and that's complex.
This doesn't even get into the problem of reproduction. Star Wars is a product of the auteur era and only an auteur could effectively capture it authentically.
Like I'm sure Gareth Edwards is more than capable of understanding the philosophy of Star Wars. But he just doesn't.
You're going to get me to watch R1 all for a disappointing, three paragraph monolog.
Sorry lol but at least the space battle is great and Felicity is waifu. The robot is somewhat OK.
I honestly think the ultimate ending sequence is evocative. Not talking about Darth Vader for anyone who's seen it FYI
No joke, Admiral Radish is the best character in the entire Disney SW franchise. Chads right past the impotent female leadership of the rebels and actually has the gall to take the fight to the enemy.
And he has about ten minutes of screen time before he dies.
It's abundantly clear that at least two different people made that movie, it's so incredibly schizophrenic about tone and pacing.
This.
There are like a handful of films in that one.
The beginning is nothing like the middle and the middle is nothing like the end.
There are fractional sequences in between each major act that seem like they come from completely different films, and none of it is remotely cohesive.
The only saving grace for the film is that some of the characters are likable, and the entire end-heist/space/beach-battle is the only proper epic Star Wars moment in the entire nu-Disney saga, and the Darth Vader scene is a proper nod to how the character was portrayed in Empire Strikes Back.
Ugh, the middle of that movie. I would love to know what the basis was for introducing the brain fucking interrogation alien. Imagine being at that pitch meeting.
I know I'm an EU fan so I am biased, but when they decided to do away with it you would think someone would say "you know those are some of the most hardcore fans, so maybe we should just continue those stories in a separate continuity while having our main canon".
I've seen so many Youtubers give their Sequel Trilogy ideas and they all sound a lot better than what we got. Heck if you just want to cater to the fans and do fan service..... have Luke be the one to catch that lightsabert in TFA and he runs of Kylo Ren who has defeated Rey.
I wonder if it’s even possible to satisfy the progressive white board while telling a good story. Some of those leftist requirements go beyond diversity casting and extend to plot and character requirements that are entirely at odds with good storytelling. It’s one thing to say “half or more of the people in every scene need to be female” and quite another to say “our female lead can never be shown demonstrating weakness or any negative character trait”.
I don't think wokeism can ever be satisfied
And can’t be mentored by a male
It is, but it requires a considerable amount of work and thought to be put into the holistic picture. You can't just write scenes then write the leadins to those in a string of lines like many productions do.
Which means you'd need one person with a good sense of self awareness working without executives constantly rewriting pieces (and thus disrupting the overall body). Leaving it impossible in practice to actually reach.
You could do a pretty good 'passing the torch' story by simply using the Thrawn Trilogy(with some allusions to Jedi Academy) with very few modifications.
Of course, if they wanted to go complete balls to the wall, simply use the Legacy comics and keep one particular characters heritage as a 'wham' moment.
Good point.
Interestingly enough, the KotOR MMO is the only piece of Legends still being worked on
I’ve heard that. Disney hasn’t poisoned it?
Now that I can’t speak to, I haven’t played since the year it came out - but I heard BioWare just handed off development / management of it to another company which doesn’t bode well
Speaking of legends, have you seen the Heir to the Empire animated adaptation that the YouTuber Darth Angelus is doing?
No, usually never really been one for fan-made stuff. Would you recommend it?
Its Bioware, so it has its own poison baked directly into it.
i really wanted to like it, but playing it was such a chore.
And also hire someone who's actually hot. You can even fit Kathleen Kennedy's criteria, get a British brunette like Camilla Luddington.
The chick from rogue one is extremely attractive. Rey is legitimately homely.
I don't know if she was a bad actress or if her dialogue was just that bad. If I were to be generous I'd say the latter from that unbelievably retarded line of "this is a rebellion isn't it, I rebel."
Just reading that one made me cringe inwards. I believe it could be a mix of both, she always has had this dead fish out of water look, line delivery sad awkward etc.
Has been acting since 12. That's probably the 'nam stare of someone who's seen some shit.
Good shout, I was thinking of Felicity Jones too. They should've swapped roles, but at least Rogue One is half a good movie.
Controversial opinion here, but I don't think the 8th film would have been much better received even with those changes.
Nothing in the entire 8th film movie makes sense. You touch on the Luke plotline, but nothing else in the story makes sense or even has object permanence. The entire story is just pretty scenes put together without any though on plot, consistency, or even relevance to the story. Viewers would have still caught on that it was a giant pile of shit.
I think if a handful of parts were changed to be better recieved it would have worked just enough to make people just consume product. They'd have their gripes, but they wouldn't wake up to the greater issue.
The same way that TFA was pretty well recieved and liked until TLJ came out, then suddenly everyone was rushing back to complain about how much of it was wrong.
That movie could have done two things and been successful. It could have taken the plot threads from the first movie and expanded upon them while introducing some new supportive elements, or it could’ve gone all Temple of Doom and just been a random-ass adventure while Rey goes around on some Jedi spirit quest or something.
My sincere hope is that Disney goes completely bankrupt so suddenly, and every other studio is failing simultaneously, that they lose control of their IPs and they enter the public domain.
Would be nice, but that'll never happen. Disney's just preparing for its eventual sale to Apple.
oh no, that sucks
I just want to point out the two comments so far are you saying that sucks, and then Lurker404 talking about Disney being an IP Vampire.
They don't have the money to suck anymore, so now they're switching to blow.
Considering the movies they've made recently, they've cleared added something to that blow.
anyway...
how do you kill two geese that lay golden eggs and not do a complete top to bottom clearout of all staff and employees?
An apt analogy since just like in the story greed made them try to cut the gooses belly open and get all the eggs at once and turned the gold to pig iron.
"Failure" has four letters in the NewSpeak AmSoc dictionary. No matter how badly a xir shits the bed, as long as they have at least one Oppression Point, they can ride the ship down to the ocean floor with zero repercussions.
Didn’t know you had a channel. Just subscribed
Oh, that's a spicy Quantum Leap meme. chef's kiss
The "explosion of content" is not the problem. When 99% of the explosion is FUCKING FECES, you have a problem!
Time for them to sell the Star Wars franchise for a quarter of what they paid for it.
They were still making Star Wars content? 🤔
Iger is a jew