To Progressive/Rainbow-Marxist scum, "Black" is a political identity. Like the demented puppet in charge said - "if you vote [other than Progressive], you ain't black".
Marxists always colonise words so they can abuse them for their own purposes. Just as they colonise subcultures, the media, academia, etc - they are a cancer.
Condoleezza Rice was an inverse example, instead of realizing that people at that level of government will be corrupt and self-serving no matter their skin color they just decided she's 'acting white'.
KBJ is a perfect example of why Thomas hates affirmative action so much. It paints qualified blacks like him with the same brush as retards like KBJ who were handed their success on a silver platter because of the color of their skin.
I mostly tuned out after she said we should listen to "elite experts" but wasn't she advocating for wealth distribution along racial lines?
What an absolutely disgusting moron that woman is. They couldn't have appointed someone less qualified to the Supreme Court if they'd chosen a random 12 year old.
"blacks weren't allowed to create generational wealth; therefore we must give them special treatment"
This is their favorite argument nowadays. You'll hear it repeated often at every historical black college.
Generational wealth is almost always squandered within 3 generations.
Most whites aren't even born into generational wealth.
Blacks have had the opportunity to build generational wealth for at least 75 years, but really going back further even with segregation.
Blacks have enjoyed favoritism for about 50 years now, and what have they done with it? A small minority have taken advantage of it and have built huge fortunes. Many others have built a comfortable life. But the majority have totally squandered it.
They've done nothing to improve themselves and increase their earning potential. They do the bare minimum to keep a low paying job at best buy or wherever. They never tried hard in school. They never looked for a trade to learn.
Then they blame whitey for their lack of success. It's absurd.
Affirmative action is a retarded "fix" even if they believe that. It only makes society worse. We only get better by training people as they are brought up through a series of progressively more challenging and meritocratic "gates". Points in life where many will fail and a few will survive. Then at the very top echelons of influence and power anyone should be the most exemplary of their class. So if it's true that decades of racism destroyed the wealth of the Black community and their ability to compete, you have to say "tough luck" to individuals at the college level, and instead remove any barriers at the elementary level, in private business, and law so that the next generation can compete.
Instead it's like this scene from the Simpsons where after getting through all the checkpoints, you find out they're just letting randoms in through the back door because they look the right color. That destroys everything and does nothing to build generational wealth among a class. It only brings down the institutions. Some would say this is intentional. A court full of Ketanjis on the bench would be very useful to certain people.
Blacks have had the opportunity to build generational wealth for at least 75 years, but really going back further even with segregation.
One of the wealthiest slave owners in the South was a Black man. Nobody stopped his wealth building except Lincoln.
To be fair he built his wealth by cheating, illegally breeding slaves while other slaveowners were following the law gave him an advantage. At least he understood the grift.
Blacks have had the opportunity to build generational wealth for at least 75 years, but really going back further even with segregation.
And it seems like modern blacks squander that generational wealth in one to two generations. The kids of Will and that bitch Smith are absolute fuckups. Lenny Kravitz' daughter is a B or C list celebrity. Samuel Jackson (who has recently cucked defending Brie Larson) has no offspring that are creating any kind of punch to continue his acting career legacy, etc.
What do you think will happen to Oprah's money once she passes? She has no children. Hers is somewhat understandable - apparently she was raped when she was 14 and the kid she had premature and died (imagine that, she didn't choose to get an abortion).
But regardless - the pattern continues Generational wealth isn't passed on, it isn't built upon, and it continues to get reclaimed by well, some group of people that some of folks here might dare I say are a tribe upon themselves.
"They know they have things to fall back on, but it’s not going to be that easy. In order to get my cheese, you have to present me with two degrees. So, I just keep them motivated and keep them happy,” the former Lakers star told 7NEWS Australia when talking about what he expects out of his children.
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I’m teaching about generational wealth right now. I tell them all the time we don’t need another NBA player in the house. If you want to play, I can help you get there. I would rather see a doctor, dentist, hedge fund guy, a veterinarian, or a world traveler.
That three generations thing is pretty well established although I’m sure there are exceptions but I read an article once going over how many white males got rich and the fortune was lost by the time it got to their grandchildren so the “generational wealth” is a terrible excuse
I may have misspoken, but I was focusing on black people. It feels like they have a really hard time hanging onto generational wealth if they happen to make it. Generational wealth among whites and Asians lasts 3 generations, but among blacks it's often lost immediately to the next generation.
Oh. I get that. I was just saying you can find heirs who blow a fortune due to bad decisions. But yes on average blacks have worse spending and saving habits. I saw a YouTube video of this black lady who was a bank officer and stated it plainly that her white customers generally have better savings and make better choices whereas her black customers didn’t or burned through any money they did have. She said especially now it makes no sense because there are so many resources today regarding finance advice.
Does it matter how many opportunities you give someone when his or her IQ is under 90?
Both leftists and conservatives once believed that equality under the law would normalize outcomes across racial demographics. When this didn’t happen, leftists created a new excuse for black dysfunction: systemic oppression. Discrimination had to be at the heart of it all because the only other explanation - inherent racial differences - was verboten.
On some level, leftists know that affirmative action (aka positive discrimination) is required to normalize outcomes for non-whites. Leftists just refuse to admit the why.
Meanwhile, classical liberals and conservatives are genuinely confused because meritocracy is so self-evidently the correct way.
Then you have the race realists who also recognize that certain racial demos need favoritism to succeed, and that such favoritism is one way ticket to eventual societal collapse. We can’t have unqualified surgeons and pilots and engineers guiding our civilization.
In the end, identity politics and communism are natural bedfellows. If every meritocracy sees non-whites on the bottom of the totem pole, then it only makes sense that non-whites would embrace alternative standards for success.
When Black Lives Matter tells you that black liberation is inseparable from Marxism, they are telling you the truth. If you want to defeat communism, you are necessarily going to have to take various “unpopular” identity politics positions. There’s no escaping it.
But I would imagine there are certain jobs that can be done by someone with a lower IQ? Also not putting them in a position they can’t handle would be a good policy. That does zero favors
Also not outing them in a position they can’t handle would be a good policy. That does zero favors
Which is how we get to the notion that racism can be a positive thing. If we address reality and the IQ distribution of the various racial populations, we'd arrive at some societal messaging telling blacks that no they aren't going to be doctors and rocket scientists but they might find some success working with their hands as a mechanic and that they can succeed in life if they play to their strengths rather than their weaknesses. Put them on a path to success rather than allow them to wallow in failure as they try to live up to the standards of other races. No one likes to try something and fail, and when you set someone to a task at which they are destined to fail, their inevitable failure will breed resentment and bitterness, which is what we see festering in many American blacks.
Stefan Molyneux has made this point. Sure you may have some outliers that can be doctors but holding everyone to the same standard is key. Seeing more Whites/Asians in a field is not reason to whine endlessly about disparities. We live in a society where anyone who has it better than you must have achieved it through some sinister method and then the whole zero sum game idea is pushed. I remember reading Discrimination and Disparities by Sowell and wishing it could be mandatory for middle school kids
we'd arrive at some societal messaging telling blacks
or we don't tell [insert item here] anything. Why would we have societal messaging targeting [insert item here].
There may very well be racial traits limiting what an individual can and cannot achieve, but I really think keeping the focus on race (just reversing the message) doesn't do anyone any favor.
But I would imagine there are certain jobs that can be done by someone with a lower IQ?
There are, and they might even pay a decent living if we secured the border and told the corporations that are addicted to an infinite supply of cheap labor to eat shit.
Lower IQs lower inhibitions. Which means poorer reaction to stimuli and handling emotions.
Even the most braindead retard jobs out there don't want the liability of having someone who might fly off the handle at unknown stimulus and possibly hurt themselves, the equipment/product, or others.
Anybody below 80, we're basically putting on a society-wide puppet show to pretend their contributions matter, because to do otherwise would potentially foster violent resentment.
We have a difficult path ahead. How do we show due reverence to the value of all human life, when there is no dignity to be found in work? How do we make people whose jobs can be replaced by a server with a few graphics cards in it feel like their contributions are valuable?
If we don't find a way to do this, we're going to be failing our fellow man in a catastrophic way.
There used to be value in less skilled work. This societap unbalance has been deliberately destroyed by the government and corps working together to destroy our industrial base to turn us into a "service economy". When they brag about that term, what they're actually doing is laughing about making a perpetual underclass of corporate slaves by filling the economy with shit jobs.
There's always going to be a need for physically demanding jobs require some level of skill, and it doesn't take a very high IQ to do those jobs. Where lower IQ people tend to have problems is abstract thinking. Such a person might be perfectly capable of doing math required for their work because they do it over and over without having to apply the concepts to new things, even if they would never understand it in a more theoretical context. The problem is those jobs will always have shitty pay as long as we have hordes pouring across the Rio Grande looking for a handout.
If every meritocracy sees non-whites on the bottom of the totem pole, then it only makes sense that non-whites would embrace alternative standards for success... If you want to defeat communism, you are necessarily going to have to take various “unpopular” identity politics positions. There’s no escaping it.
I think this is the most important takeaway from your comment, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I interpret this to mean that a pure meritocracy can't work and is doomed from the start to fail - in any sufficiently "diverse" society - because you'll always have one group that dominates others, and one group that is worse than the others. The failing groups will always unite around identity politics or some other non-meritocratic politics to seize power, because that's the rational thing to do when forced to play a game you can't possibly win. This will always cause cultural instability and a sense of "injustice" at best.
In that case, the only nations meritocracy can work in are where:
it's mostly homogenous, there are no subgroups at all
one group (minority or majority) so absolutely dominates the others that the inferiors cannot even gain a foothold in the "cultural narrative"
the national culture somehow trains minority groups to accept their status as inferior
there is strict balkanization or even a caste system that keeps the groups separated - some can be meritocratic within their in-group, the others can do whatever the fuck they want - nobody dominates and it really isn't a single nation.
So we'll have to choose what we want to be, stop pretending everyone is the same, and engage in the culture war on realistic terms.
We're already seeing signs of your last scenario. Competent whites are moving to places where they're valued (red states) and seeking out companies where they can avoid being ruled over by diversity hires (ie they're fleeing Big Tech or not going to in begin with). They know there's no future in a system that isn't meritocratic.
They've done nothing to improve themselves and increase their earning potential
This is not entirely true. As Sowell has pointed out, black slaves went from basically 0 education and literacy to a respectable percentage within a few generations. Back then, learning and getting educated was not 'acting white'. It is a shame that this progress stalled and perhaps even reversed to some extent in the aftermath of the 1960s.
Blacks have enjoyed favoritism for about 50 years now, and what have they done with it? A small minority have taken advantage of it and have built huge fortunes. Many others have built a comfortable life. But the majority have totally squandered it.
The favoritism is mostly applicable to the top tier, which is pushed over the top. A black janitor isn't benefiting from it, insofar as racial favoritism is a net benefit in the long run (which I don't think it is, everyone is a loser).
Favoritism never results in the less well off group doing better. The Malaysian government has been trying to favor native Malays over its Chinese citizens for decades now, as the British did before them. The result? The Chinese still earn way more.
"Economics is not a subject that particularly respects one's wishes." - Nikita Khrushchev
It is a shame that this progress stalled and perhaps even reversed to some extent in the aftermath of the 1960s.
That's the period I was referring to. I thought it was obvious but I should have been more specific. You're right they were making progress up to that point. Back then it was far less common for an 18 year old black man to have multiple children with multiple women. They also didn't worship ghetto culture.
The favoritism is mostly applicable to the top tier, which is pushed over the top. A black janitor isn't benefiting from it
It does mostly favor the top tier, but a black janitor could take advantage if he were willing to put in the effort.
I agree favoritism doesn't help the group it intends to help. Many individuals within the group will benefit, but overall it's destructive.
Tbh that just makes it all the more frustrating for people like me. If the favoritism led to a more productive and less violent black community, I might even support it (for a period of time, and again this is hypothetical) because America cannot survive with a black community like the one we currently have.
That's the period I was referring to. I thought it was obvious but I should have been more specific.
Yes, it did seem like the most likely meaning, but I wasn't entirely sure.
It does mostly favor the top tier, but a black janitor could take advantage if he were willing to put in the effort.
Not every janitor is able to go learn to code. Some people are just born with the capability of being a great janitor, rather than a coder. My point is that these things always end up aiding the people who are already very well off, generally at the expense of lower-class Asians and whites.
If the favoritism led to a more productive and less violent black community, I might even support it (for a period of time, and again this is hypothetical) because America cannot survive with a black community like the one we currently have.
I think it can. The violence of the black community generally harms blacks and poor whites, not anyone who 'counts' in the estimation of the ruling classes. The greatest threat to America, in my estimation, is not the violence of the black community, but the identitarianism that tears the country literally apart.
You don't have to code to take advantage. Any black person could move to Seattle or Portland where companies are desperate to hire more black people, and get hired in any number of entry level roles. They'd have to kill someone to get fired, and they'll get promoted over more qualified people.
But still you're right that it mostly favors well-off black people.
The greatest threat to America, in my estimation, is not the violence of the black community, but the identitarianism that tears the country literally apart.
You don't have to code to take advantage. Any black person could move to Seattle or Portland where companies are desperate to hire more black people, and get hired in any number of entry level roles
Moving to Seattle or Portland is reserved for the most privileged people, because home prices have skyrocketed so much due to bad policies. It's funny that while explicit anti-black policies did not succeed at keeping them out, San Francisco succeed in driving out half its black population by enacting policies that result in higher cost of housing.
I mean, I can pull a Rachel Dolezal/Kirk Lazarus and be a black candidate, Smith. Just gonna need you to claim me as a distant cousin or something for the media coverage.
Yea. Mostly black. So black. Lol. I was just saying for his example that I do have some white ancestry so we could be distant cousins. But I’d look foolish saying I was white. I guess not as foolish as a man saying he is a woman
Hence the Dolezal reference. 😛 If a silly rich white chick can be the regional president of the NAACP, then you can't deny me my dream to be the first black representative from my district.
The Judicial Branch equivalent of AoC trying to lecture that Border Patrol guy about whether illegal aliens are breaking laws or not. A child trying to dictate how the world works to her parents. Truly despicable.
Imagine what the court will look like in 100 years.
I'm so blackpilled at this point. I have no hope that somehow all this woke shit will be undone.
I forget his name, but there's a guy who has been giving talks at law schools all around the country for a few decades now. He always begins by asking for a show of hands on questions such as, "Raise your hand if you believe the US constitution is a good document", "Raise your hand if you support free speech", etc.
Up until about 10 years ago, almost every student would raise their hand, but nowadays the majority of the class leaves their hands down.
Those are the people who will become lawyers and judges. They'll decide who gets to practice law and who doesn't.
I expect things will continue declining slowly for another decade or two, but then we'll fall off a cliff.
Imagine what the court will look like in 100 years.
Imagine what it could look like in even ten or twenty years.
I'm so blackpilled at this point. I have no hope that somehow all this woke shit will be undone.
I might have agreed with you, but I think over the last few years - and it's speeding up - we've seen the pendulum start to swing back. People are sick of it, and that's growing more common. I say it time and again, but normies are sheep. They support The Narrative™. If the narrative goes anti-woke, they'll be anti-woke. They don't think, they support Current Thing. And I honestly believe we're seeing Current Thing slowly changing. Woke can't stick around forever. It's too retarded, for starters.
Up until about 10 years ago, almost every student would raise their hand, but nowadays the majority of the class leaves their hands down.
Yeah, but more and more people are getting sick of their bullshit. It will take awhile to work its way out, but I think things are changing.
I expect things will continue declining slowly for another decade or two, but then we'll fall off a cliff.
It's possible, but not a foregone conclusion. Prepare for the worst, but I think there are reasons to still hold hope for better outcomes too.
Not to absolve Trump of responsibility here, but it's really Federalist Society picks. We need to put pressure on them or find another standard to replace them with.
I just graduated from law school and I’ve read a lot of the cases that led up to this one, as well as other race-related cases. Whatever else someone wants to say about Thomas, the man has been 100 percent consistent in his views, as exemplified by the OP quote. For a long time his views had to appear in dissents, nowadays they, happily, appear in opinions or his own concurrences. It is essentially the view, which I share, that we don’t get past a racist history by permitting some racism and preventing other racism. You want equality, start treating everyone equally, i.e. on merit. KBJ is so desperate to push the idea that surely, SURELY if a black student has bad grades, it’s the system’s fault. Inequality of opportunity does exist and it never won’t, but it is a much more complicated and varied thing than just saying, “but race though!” The federal courts have long required a very, very strict scrutiny of any law or policy that even seems to create different outcomes according to race, and so it should not throw that test away just because it’s “positively” racist instead of negatively racist. You want a nonracist society, you have to start being race-blind. You can’t say that while you wait for society to become nonracist, you’ll accept any racism that Ibram X. Kendi supports. (Indeed, this is the biggest con of SJWism/antiracism: they have to criticize even the possibility of a nonracist society because they fear they wouldn’t make it in a pure meritocracy. Hell, they even criticize the idea of meritocracy itself: not that they say “we don’t currently have a meritocracy” which could be a fair point, but they actually say meritocracy is a bad thing. For which, fuck them!)
Read Jackson’s comments, it shows the striking difference of intellectual capacity between a diversity hire and Thomas who democrats demonized.
I remember in the early 2000s a white democrat said Thomas wasnt really black because “he doesn’t represent black interests”.
If "black interests" only contain "infinite welfare and unfair hiring/selection opportunities," FUCK BLACK INTERESTS.
Agreed
"Fuck black interests", period. Decisions should not be made based on what's good for one group or another, but based on what is right.
Correct.
They redefine black interests as being Democratic Party interests.
"If you don't vote for me, you ain't black."
To Progressive/Rainbow-Marxist scum, "Black" is a political identity. Like the demented puppet in charge said - "if you vote [other than Progressive], you ain't black".
Marxists always colonise words so they can abuse them for their own purposes. Just as they colonise subcultures, the media, academia, etc - they are a cancer.
Condoleezza Rice was an inverse example, instead of realizing that people at that level of government will be corrupt and self-serving no matter their skin color they just decided she's 'acting white'.
By black interest they mean racial grievance grifters and leftists
Bingo
KBJ is a perfect example of why Thomas hates affirmative action so much. It paints qualified blacks like him with the same brush as retards like KBJ who were handed their success on a silver platter because of the color of their skin.
Hey now - I bet she knows what some of those words mean.
I mostly tuned out after she said we should listen to "elite experts" but wasn't she advocating for wealth distribution along racial lines?
What an absolutely disgusting moron that woman is. They couldn't have appointed someone less qualified to the Supreme Court if they'd chosen a random 12 year old.
"blacks weren't allowed to create generational wealth; therefore we must give them special treatment"
This is their favorite argument nowadays. You'll hear it repeated often at every historical black college.
Generational wealth is almost always squandered within 3 generations.
Most whites aren't even born into generational wealth.
Blacks have had the opportunity to build generational wealth for at least 75 years, but really going back further even with segregation.
Blacks have enjoyed favoritism for about 50 years now, and what have they done with it? A small minority have taken advantage of it and have built huge fortunes. Many others have built a comfortable life. But the majority have totally squandered it.
They've done nothing to improve themselves and increase their earning potential. They do the bare minimum to keep a low paying job at best buy or wherever. They never tried hard in school. They never looked for a trade to learn.
Then they blame whitey for their lack of success. It's absurd.
Affirmative action is a retarded "fix" even if they believe that. It only makes society worse. We only get better by training people as they are brought up through a series of progressively more challenging and meritocratic "gates". Points in life where many will fail and a few will survive. Then at the very top echelons of influence and power anyone should be the most exemplary of their class. So if it's true that decades of racism destroyed the wealth of the Black community and their ability to compete, you have to say "tough luck" to individuals at the college level, and instead remove any barriers at the elementary level, in private business, and law so that the next generation can compete.
Instead it's like this scene from the Simpsons where after getting through all the checkpoints, you find out they're just letting randoms in through the back door because they look the right color. That destroys everything and does nothing to build generational wealth among a class. It only brings down the institutions. Some would say this is intentional. A court full of Ketanjis on the bench would be very useful to certain people.
One of the wealthiest slave owners in the South was a Black man. Nobody stopped his wealth building except Lincoln.
Who was he?
I'm speaking of William Ellison, #2 on this list.
To be fair he built his wealth by cheating, illegally breeding slaves while other slaveowners were following the law gave him an advantage. At least he understood the grift.
And it seems like modern blacks squander that generational wealth in one to two generations. The kids of Will and that bitch Smith are absolute fuckups. Lenny Kravitz' daughter is a B or C list celebrity. Samuel Jackson (who has recently cucked defending Brie Larson) has no offspring that are creating any kind of punch to continue his acting career legacy, etc.
What do you think will happen to Oprah's money once she passes? She has no children. Hers is somewhat understandable - apparently she was raped when she was 14 and the kid she had premature and died (imagine that, she didn't choose to get an abortion).
But regardless - the pattern continues Generational wealth isn't passed on, it isn't built upon, and it continues to get reclaimed by well, some group of people that some of folks here might dare I say are a tribe upon themselves.
Meanwhile, here's basketball man Shaq, apparently trying to instill the value of work in his kids.
That three generations thing is pretty well established although I’m sure there are exceptions but I read an article once going over how many white males got rich and the fortune was lost by the time it got to their grandchildren so the “generational wealth” is a terrible excuse
I may have misspoken, but I was focusing on black people. It feels like they have a really hard time hanging onto generational wealth if they happen to make it. Generational wealth among whites and Asians lasts 3 generations, but among blacks it's often lost immediately to the next generation.
Oh. I get that. I was just saying you can find heirs who blow a fortune due to bad decisions. But yes on average blacks have worse spending and saving habits. I saw a YouTube video of this black lady who was a bank officer and stated it plainly that her white customers generally have better savings and make better choices whereas her black customers didn’t or burned through any money they did have. She said especially now it makes no sense because there are so many resources today regarding finance advice.
Does it matter how many opportunities you give someone when his or her IQ is under 90?
Both leftists and conservatives once believed that equality under the law would normalize outcomes across racial demographics. When this didn’t happen, leftists created a new excuse for black dysfunction: systemic oppression. Discrimination had to be at the heart of it all because the only other explanation - inherent racial differences - was verboten.
On some level, leftists know that affirmative action (aka positive discrimination) is required to normalize outcomes for non-whites. Leftists just refuse to admit the why.
Meanwhile, classical liberals and conservatives are genuinely confused because meritocracy is so self-evidently the correct way.
Then you have the race realists who also recognize that certain racial demos need favoritism to succeed, and that such favoritism is one way ticket to eventual societal collapse. We can’t have unqualified surgeons and pilots and engineers guiding our civilization.
In the end, identity politics and communism are natural bedfellows. If every meritocracy sees non-whites on the bottom of the totem pole, then it only makes sense that non-whites would embrace alternative standards for success.
When Black Lives Matter tells you that black liberation is inseparable from Marxism, they are telling you the truth. If you want to defeat communism, you are necessarily going to have to take various “unpopular” identity politics positions. There’s no escaping it.
But I would imagine there are certain jobs that can be done by someone with a lower IQ? Also not putting them in a position they can’t handle would be a good policy. That does zero favors
Which is how we get to the notion that racism can be a positive thing. If we address reality and the IQ distribution of the various racial populations, we'd arrive at some societal messaging telling blacks that no they aren't going to be doctors and rocket scientists but they might find some success working with their hands as a mechanic and that they can succeed in life if they play to their strengths rather than their weaknesses. Put them on a path to success rather than allow them to wallow in failure as they try to live up to the standards of other races. No one likes to try something and fail, and when you set someone to a task at which they are destined to fail, their inevitable failure will breed resentment and bitterness, which is what we see festering in many American blacks.
Stefan Molyneux has made this point. Sure you may have some outliers that can be doctors but holding everyone to the same standard is key. Seeing more Whites/Asians in a field is not reason to whine endlessly about disparities. We live in a society where anyone who has it better than you must have achieved it through some sinister method and then the whole zero sum game idea is pushed. I remember reading Discrimination and Disparities by Sowell and wishing it could be mandatory for middle school kids
or we don't tell [insert item here] anything. Why would we have societal messaging targeting [insert item here].
There may very well be racial traits limiting what an individual can and cannot achieve, but I really think keeping the focus on race (just reversing the message) doesn't do anyone any favor.
Ideally to counteract the current cultural momentum which is quite destructive.
There are, and they might even pay a decent living if we secured the border and told the corporations that are addicted to an infinite supply of cheap labor to eat shit.
Lower IQs lower inhibitions. Which means poorer reaction to stimuli and handling emotions.
Even the most braindead retard jobs out there don't want the liability of having someone who might fly off the handle at unknown stimulus and possibly hurt themselves, the equipment/product, or others.
Anybody below 80, we're basically putting on a society-wide puppet show to pretend their contributions matter, because to do otherwise would potentially foster violent resentment.
We have a difficult path ahead. How do we show due reverence to the value of all human life, when there is no dignity to be found in work? How do we make people whose jobs can be replaced by a server with a few graphics cards in it feel like their contributions are valuable?
If we don't find a way to do this, we're going to be failing our fellow man in a catastrophic way.
There used to be value in less skilled work. This societap unbalance has been deliberately destroyed by the government and corps working together to destroy our industrial base to turn us into a "service economy". When they brag about that term, what they're actually doing is laughing about making a perpetual underclass of corporate slaves by filling the economy with shit jobs.
There's always going to be a need for physically demanding jobs require some level of skill, and it doesn't take a very high IQ to do those jobs. Where lower IQ people tend to have problems is abstract thinking. Such a person might be perfectly capable of doing math required for their work because they do it over and over without having to apply the concepts to new things, even if they would never understand it in a more theoretical context. The problem is those jobs will always have shitty pay as long as we have hordes pouring across the Rio Grande looking for a handout.
I think this is the most important takeaway from your comment, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I interpret this to mean that a pure meritocracy can't work and is doomed from the start to fail - in any sufficiently "diverse" society - because you'll always have one group that dominates others, and one group that is worse than the others. The failing groups will always unite around identity politics or some other non-meritocratic politics to seize power, because that's the rational thing to do when forced to play a game you can't possibly win. This will always cause cultural instability and a sense of "injustice" at best.
In that case, the only nations meritocracy can work in are where:
So we'll have to choose what we want to be, stop pretending everyone is the same, and engage in the culture war on realistic terms.
We're already seeing signs of your last scenario. Competent whites are moving to places where they're valued (red states) and seeking out companies where they can avoid being ruled over by diversity hires (ie they're fleeing Big Tech or not going to in begin with). They know there's no future in a system that isn't meritocratic.
This is not entirely true. As Sowell has pointed out, black slaves went from basically 0 education and literacy to a respectable percentage within a few generations. Back then, learning and getting educated was not 'acting white'. It is a shame that this progress stalled and perhaps even reversed to some extent in the aftermath of the 1960s.
The favoritism is mostly applicable to the top tier, which is pushed over the top. A black janitor isn't benefiting from it, insofar as racial favoritism is a net benefit in the long run (which I don't think it is, everyone is a loser).
Favoritism never results in the less well off group doing better. The Malaysian government has been trying to favor native Malays over its Chinese citizens for decades now, as the British did before them. The result? The Chinese still earn way more.
"Economics is not a subject that particularly respects one's wishes." - Nikita Khrushchev
That's the period I was referring to. I thought it was obvious but I should have been more specific. You're right they were making progress up to that point. Back then it was far less common for an 18 year old black man to have multiple children with multiple women. They also didn't worship ghetto culture.
It does mostly favor the top tier, but a black janitor could take advantage if he were willing to put in the effort.
I agree favoritism doesn't help the group it intends to help. Many individuals within the group will benefit, but overall it's destructive.
Tbh that just makes it all the more frustrating for people like me. If the favoritism led to a more productive and less violent black community, I might even support it (for a period of time, and again this is hypothetical) because America cannot survive with a black community like the one we currently have.
Yes, it did seem like the most likely meaning, but I wasn't entirely sure.
Not every janitor is able to go learn to code. Some people are just born with the capability of being a great janitor, rather than a coder. My point is that these things always end up aiding the people who are already very well off, generally at the expense of lower-class Asians and whites.
I think it can. The violence of the black community generally harms blacks and poor whites, not anyone who 'counts' in the estimation of the ruling classes. The greatest threat to America, in my estimation, is not the violence of the black community, but the identitarianism that tears the country literally apart.
You don't have to code to take advantage. Any black person could move to Seattle or Portland where companies are desperate to hire more black people, and get hired in any number of entry level roles. They'd have to kill someone to get fired, and they'll get promoted over more qualified people.
But still you're right that it mostly favors well-off black people.
I can agree with that, at least for now.
Moving to Seattle or Portland is reserved for the most privileged people, because home prices have skyrocketed so much due to bad policies. It's funny that while explicit anti-black policies did not succeed at keeping them out, San Francisco succeed in driving out half its black population by enacting policies that result in higher cost of housing.
I’d love for a candidate to just say this bluntly. Larry Elder is the only one I could see saying this but maybe others.
But I wish someone would ask these 20 year olds how they are prevented from making wise choices by slavery or Jim Crow in 2023
I mean, I can pull a Rachel Dolezal/Kirk Lazarus and be a black candidate, Smith. Just gonna need you to claim me as a distant cousin or something for the media coverage.
Yea. Mostly black. So black. Lol. I was just saying for his example that I do have some white ancestry so we could be distant cousins. But I’d look foolish saying I was white. I guess not as foolish as a man saying he is a woman
Hence the Dolezal reference. 😛 If a silly rich white chick can be the regional president of the NAACP, then you can't deny me my dream to be the first black representative from my district.
Hey now, xe can be a stunning and brave wymxn if xe wants!
Certainly possible. I got some European blood so I do have some distant white cousins. So definitely possible. Actually going to visit some next year
Visit European countries or your distant ancestors? I assume the former, as the latter makes no logical sense.
Distant cousins. Lol.
Ah, now it makes sense.
Don't mistake excuses for good faith arguments. You might as well ask how the dog eating someone's homework prevented him from getting an education.
Justice Jackson is functionally retarded.
It's a travesty that she's wearing those robes.
The Judicial Branch equivalent of AoC trying to lecture that Border Patrol guy about whether illegal aliens are breaking laws or not. A child trying to dictate how the world works to her parents. Truly despicable.
Imagine what the court will look like in 100 years.
I'm so blackpilled at this point. I have no hope that somehow all this woke shit will be undone.
I forget his name, but there's a guy who has been giving talks at law schools all around the country for a few decades now. He always begins by asking for a show of hands on questions such as, "Raise your hand if you believe the US constitution is a good document", "Raise your hand if you support free speech", etc.
Up until about 10 years ago, almost every student would raise their hand, but nowadays the majority of the class leaves their hands down.
Those are the people who will become lawyers and judges. They'll decide who gets to practice law and who doesn't.
I expect things will continue declining slowly for another decade or two, but then we'll fall off a cliff.
Imagine what it could look like in even ten or twenty years.
I might have agreed with you, but I think over the last few years - and it's speeding up - we've seen the pendulum start to swing back. People are sick of it, and that's growing more common. I say it time and again, but normies are sheep. They support The Narrative™. If the narrative goes anti-woke, they'll be anti-woke. They don't think, they support Current Thing. And I honestly believe we're seeing Current Thing slowly changing. Woke can't stick around forever. It's too retarded, for starters.
Yeah, but more and more people are getting sick of their bullshit. It will take awhile to work its way out, but I think things are changing.
It's possible, but not a foregone conclusion. Prepare for the worst, but I think there are reasons to still hold hope for better outcomes too.
Not to absolve Trump of responsibility here, but it's really Federalist Society picks. We need to put pressure on them or find another standard to replace them with.
I just graduated from law school and I’ve read a lot of the cases that led up to this one, as well as other race-related cases. Whatever else someone wants to say about Thomas, the man has been 100 percent consistent in his views, as exemplified by the OP quote. For a long time his views had to appear in dissents, nowadays they, happily, appear in opinions or his own concurrences. It is essentially the view, which I share, that we don’t get past a racist history by permitting some racism and preventing other racism. You want equality, start treating everyone equally, i.e. on merit. KBJ is so desperate to push the idea that surely, SURELY if a black student has bad grades, it’s the system’s fault. Inequality of opportunity does exist and it never won’t, but it is a much more complicated and varied thing than just saying, “but race though!” The federal courts have long required a very, very strict scrutiny of any law or policy that even seems to create different outcomes according to race, and so it should not throw that test away just because it’s “positively” racist instead of negatively racist. You want a nonracist society, you have to start being race-blind. You can’t say that while you wait for society to become nonracist, you’ll accept any racism that Ibram X. Kendi supports. (Indeed, this is the biggest con of SJWism/antiracism: they have to criticize even the possibility of a nonracist society because they fear they wouldn’t make it in a pure meritocracy. Hell, they even criticize the idea of meritocracy itself: not that they say “we don’t currently have a meritocracy” which could be a fair point, but they actually say meritocracy is a bad thing. For which, fuck them!)
Jesus Christ.
He went from Justice Thomas to Judge Thomas.
KBJ literally has to be one up there as one of the stupidest modern day scotus judges. Shes an insult to the bench.