You and I don't agree often, and I laughed for months about how you assumed my wife wasn't real(seriously we still chuckle about it), but you are correct about this.
The largely correct presumption that "successful" women are going to be a bitch, is the hurdle here.
And that's not going to change because the stereotype is absolutely true. Men don't like bitchy women.
Women make bad partner choices, blame the fact the 8 won’t settle for the female 6 that was easy pussy, then claims it’s because “the man wasn’t ready to settle down”. It’s almost like the freedom of choice comes with the responsibility of those choices, despite women’s best efforts to remove them.
No evidence has ever been produced for this. Both men and women are unhappy with the woman earning more.
I know it is circumstantial evidence, but there is this feminist chick, we've been colleagues for over 8 years and we keep in touch, she is single a lot and I asked her what she looks for in a man, she wants someone who is tall and makes more money then her. Another case, a friend of my wife was a department head at a large IT company, good looking, smart and was looking for a relationship, of course she only settled with a millionaire that brought her diamonds on the first date.
If you can get a millionaire who will bring you diamonds on the first date, why would you settle for anything less?
If she can get a guy at that level to commit then she shouldn't settle for less. What's more common is that she gets pumped and dumped by those types of guys and concludes that's she's entitled to commitment from a guy at that level, which isn't how SMV/RMV works. She's free to have those standards of course, but as I've said elsewhere on this thread women tend to be unwilling to accept the likely outcome of maintaining those standards.
A lot of these problems are created by men and their non-existent standards.
Male tolerance of horrible female behavior is part of the problem, yes. But if you believe this why are you constantly shitting on MGTOW? While the motivations for MGTOW guys vary, a common one is low quality women and their shitty behavior. In other words they have standards and they're walking away because women who meet them don't exist in today's culture, even if they don't typically frame it in terms of standards. More men being willing to walk away from shitty deals can only improve the dating market.
In other words they have standards and they're walking away because women who meet them don't exist in today's culture,
This is just the male equivalent of this:
She's free to have those standards of course, but as I've said elsewhere on this thread women tend to be unwilling to accept the likely outcome of maintaining those standards.
In truth, most MGTOW guys are low status men salty about being priced out of the sexual market place and use the "women are shitty" excuse to justify their resentment. Instead they should improve themselves and the female problem mostly solves itself.
If she can get a guy at that level to commit then she shouldn't settle for less. What's more common is that she gets pumped and dumped by those types of guys and concludes that's she's entitled to commitment from a guy at that level, which isn't how SMV/RMV works.
Is this speculation about the mental states of others based on empirical data?
She's free to have those standards of course, but as I've said elsewhere on this thread women tend to be unwilling to accept the likely outcome of maintaining those standards.
That goes without saying. But I do get a sense from some people basically demanding WOMEN SHOULD LOWER THEIR STANDARDS. I'd actually like it if they raised their standards. I see too many fat abominations with decent looking women.
But if you believe this why are you constantly shitting on MGTOW?
Because of that self-important name that they give themselves, claiming they "go their own way" when all they do is whine about women, and because they are not the solution.
In other words they have standards and they're walking away because women who meet them don't exist in today's culture, even if they don't typically frame it in terms of standards
There you have it. I also don't think that such women don't exist.
But I do get a sense from some people basically demanding WOMEN SHOULD LOWER THEIR STANDARDS.
When they're told this it's almost always in the context of them whining about the lack of men. If they hate being single that much then lowering their standards is the other option. I actually don't recommend this because it never ends well for the dudes that get settled for, but when they have 2 choices and they endlessly bitch about one of those choices suggesting the other one is logical. No one except legit incels are demanding this.
claiming they "go their own way" when all they do is whine about women
If "their own way" involves whining about women, then that's their own way. There's a (sometimes deliberate) misconception that "going their own way" means disappearing so their feminist betters aren't inconvenienced by their existence. That's a legitimate option, but not the only one. The only reason women figure into it at all is because getting legally entangled with them means losing control of your own destiny, which is what MGTOW is really about. It just so happens that I think the MGTOW community could use more self improvement and lifestyle content, but it's not something I can bring up without sounding like a feminist who's only interested in controlling what the community talks about.
they are not the solution
They're one form that the solution can take. One way or the other the solution is going to entail a system that doesn't reward women for their bad choices. I actually don't believe that MGTOW is going to do much at the societal level because it doesn't solve the simp problem that keeps the clown show going. What it does is protect its adherents from a hostile legal and social system and allows them to live their best lives under the circumstances. Society won't change until until the whole thing crashes and burns.
Women should lower their standards. Men should too. Unrealistic expectations is the hallmark of postmodernist decay. The idea that everyone can or should be a rockstar, sports star, model or actress.
Contentment is a good thing, even if someone's lot in life isn't glamorous.
Women in particular however, should lower their standards because their standards are artificially high. Even compared to men, whose standards are inflated thanks to the porn industry(nevermind who's responsible for that), women are inculcated with the lie that every one of them is a princess and deserves a vice president with a car that costs as much as a house.
It's socialism, essentially. The idea that resources aren't really scarce, and that social gluttony is accessible to everyone. Then they ride the cock rollercoaster in search of this illusion until they're too old and used up for the man they really wanted to give a damn.
But the biggest reason women should lower their standards is a simple matter of reality. They have a shelf life. Men don't.
Women should lower their standards. Men should too. Unrealistic expectations is the hallmark of postmodernist decay. The idea that everyone can or should be a rockstar, sports star, model or actress.
Contentment is a good thing, even if someone's lot in life isn't glamorous.
This is a good attitude, though I don't agree that any of those categories are 'good'. Where I disagree is that with these obesity rates, people should lower their standards even further. Maybe if their raised their standards a bit, to at least "don't be 100 pounds overweight", people would be forced to lose weight unless they wanted to be alone.
nevermind who's responsible for that
I think it's very naive to think that there would be no porn if that scapegoat wasn't there. There's money to be made there, and people are going to do it. The problem is societal and not a particular group of people.
But the biggest reason women should lower their standards is a simple matter of reality. They have a shelf life. Men don't.
Everyone has a shelf life. It's just that for women, all main desirable qualities decline with age, whereas for men, the 'resources' one gets better.
The guy who is balding, unemployed, fat and living in his mom's basement at age 25 isn't going to do any better at age 40, in fact, he will do much worse.
No one said there would be no porn. What I said is that certain people who seem to chronically try to undermine and degrade civilized societies are proliferating it knowingly, with destructive intent.
Everyone has a shelf life
That statement was for SMV you know it. Not that I'd expect a sodomite to understand the concept.
Men have low standards for sex and high standards for relationships. Too many women don't know the difference between the two. If he'll have sex with you, that doesn't mean that he'll get in a relationship with you.
Retarded logic. A millionaire man can afford to bait his hook with diamonds, and so men in general are to blame for most women abandoning the institution of assortive mating? Be less dumb, Antonio. You’re starting to border on legitimate simpery.
A millionaire man can afford to bait his hook with diamonds, and so men in general are to blame for most women abandoning the institution of assortive mating?
Not sure where you got that, but OK.
You’re starting to border on legitimate simpery.
'Simp' is to the right what 'racist' is to the left. Refute what I say if you don't like it.
Or call me names, but that just shows that you don't have any way to refute it.
Because dumbass women are taught from birth "NEVER SETTLE!" so once the "new car" shine wears off their current paramour, they will start looking for a replacement, while suddenly "noticing" all the small behaviors of which they disapprove.
They should just go for the guys with a mommy fetish. Those types would cling to an older, nurturing woman.
But of course, they don't want that - they'd rather die alone chasing someone that wouldn't give them a second look.
They think their wealth gives them extra power in dating, but it doesn't, because everyone knows a woman's policy with assets is what's yours is hers and what's hers is definitely hers.
As if they'd spend their time actually doing any parenting when they can drop their spawn off at the nearest carer facility 22hrs a day (the maid can take care of them the other 2)
I doubt Imp gives a shit since he avoids women like the plague. As for your larger point about standards: Standards are fine if you're willing to accept staying single if you can't find someone who meets them. The problem is that women aren't fine with that outcome for the most part. So they price themselves out of the market and become bitter old hags writing articles on feminist sites about how men need to "step up" and marry them. In many cases they go sniffing around for an economically successful beta to divorce rape when they finally realize that the Gigachad they feel entitled to won't commit. Even that's not viable for the "career woman" type in the OP because it requires a man who makes significantly more than her, and those men are rare and have much better options. So they blame men, the patriarchy, or whoever else they need to blame to avoid taking responsibility for their bad decisions.
So they price themselves out of the market and become bitter old hags writing articles on feminist sites about how men need to "step up" and marry them.
Yes, that is quite ironic. I think both men and women should raise their standards, so I don't go around saying that it's fine for one side to have standards and not the other side.
divorce rape
Jesus Christ man.
they finally realize that the Gigachad they feel entitled to won't commit
And this is based on what exactly?
Even that's not viable for the "career woman" type in the OP because it requires a man who makes significantly more than her, and those men are rare and have much better options. So they blame men, the patriarchy, or whoever else they need to blame to avoid taking responsibility for their bad decisions.
No, I claim that every woman on earth should be assumed bad, but that shouldn't stretch to your family members for fairly obvious reasons.
Not really, they wouldn't meet my standards or likely anyone else here. Although if I had access to their wealth, maybe I'd take a shot. It'd be some kind of great character arc for me to take a woman to the cleaners and use the re-appropriated money to build my movement.
Men want women who make their dicks hard & who will be emotionally and otherwise supportive. Often shortened to: "hot but not crazy".
Women want men who will boost their social status & provide them with a sense of security & material wealth.
Women who over-value themselves relative to men make poor partners. Women place a high value on height (social status boosting) and income (status & wealth). Therefore, tall women, and women who have high incomes, value themselves very highly, yet men do not value these women highly at all. In fact, because men correctly come to associate these women with having an overly-inflated opinion of themselves, men actually see these traits as detrimental.
As a result, many of these women have a large disconnect between their expectations of what kind of man they "deserve" while those same men do not value them. So they remain single.
Do women value height in women the same way they do height in men?
I think you meant "men" for the second word in that sentence. Assuming that's the case I think men typically prefer a shorter partner, but tall women aren't a deal breaker in the way short men are. The reason you don't see many tall woman/short man couples is because the woman won't accept the man instead of the other way around.
Okay, now it makes sense. It sounded like lesbians evaluating potential partners at first which is why I assumed it was a typo. But nope, it's just women overvaluing themselves again. I don't think that tall women believe that their height adds to their SMV/RMV. They just hate short men as all women do, and their definition of short is even more ridiculous than average. "Must be taller than me" is typically the standard they "settle" for when beta hunting. If they're tall already they're not adding much to pool by coming down from whatever delusional standard they had before.
It is not that those traits are detrimental, it is that those traits are independent of any assessment.
What do I want in a woman? A heart, a brain, two lungs, two kidneys, a liver...
That's the joke. Men have no standards as it comes to sexual value. That's why you see those Lewinskis and Rials and Heards nabbing AAA-class men. Men have preferences, sure, but not standards.
Men are reluctant to partner with high-achieving women
Bullshit.
There are plenty of men out there who'd jump at the chance of having a sugar mommy who asks nothing of them except to cook, clean and fuck. The simple reality is that women don't want that.
These women are single for many years because they're naturally, BIOLOGICALLY inclined to seek males who provide material wealth for them.
Men who are unready for marriage and children
Divorces are overwhelmingly initiated by women. Don't talk to me about men being unready.
Men who exhibit bad behavior, including infidelity and ageism
Women are just as big a bunch of whores. And as for ageism, if the goal of a marriage is a family, then yeah, a man had better discriminate by age. He has to.
The issue here is that men are looking for women but the women are acting like men. The kind of men they want aren't looking for high earning women because they already make enough money, they aren't looking for a 30+ year old career woman to raise a family with and they aren't looking for a woman who has a sexual history as long as 'War and Peace'.
These women have been lied to and pressured into taking on the roles of men and are flabbergasted when men view them as such. They've been tricked into thinking that biological inclinations don't matter that a 28 y/o woman who is 30lbs overweight, who writes spreadsheets 8 hours a day for 50k a year is better than an attractive 24 y/o waitress.
Maybe the men wouldn't be such problematic partners if the women didn't do their level best to select against relationship oriented men who would make good partners. In a dating market where only the likes of Chad Thundercock and Tyrone McDickerson get a good deal, other men start acting them. You get what you incentivize. If relationship oriented men got the Chad and Tyrone treatment there would far more of them. But since those men are treated like subhumans they either become the dickheads that women whine about or drop out of the market entirely.
Women don't treat men who earn less than them the same way they treat men who earn more than them. Men want to be treated in the manner women treat men who earn more than them. That is all.
Most men are ready for marriage and children but most men don't want to rush into a marriage because of the significant risks involved. Also, no man wants to share the responsibility of raising a child 50/50. Ideally, pretty much all men want the woman to be the primary caretaker with the man being the supporting influence on child rearing. This ties into #1 because almost all women who are "high-achievers" want to split the child rearing 50/50 or even ask the man to take primary responsibility. Men simply do not want this. Men are ready for children but women simply don't want to provide the child rearing support men would need to decide to have children.
Women cheat more than men. Women are significantly less attractive after the age of ~25yo. The issue is that women tend to act like men shouldn't regard them with less value at 40yo compared to 25yo but a 25yo woman will always be more attractive than a 40yo woman. That's a fact. Most high-achieving women act when they're 40yo as if they're a bigger catch than an attractive 25yo but they aren't. If these high achieving woman acted with more humility and humbleness, it wouldn't lead to as much relationship instability and rapture.
I'm struggling with this myself. Woman age 30, been with my SO for over 4 years, working together to grow close and become a family. He knew I wanted kids from the start. Four years on, still waiting for a ring... I mentioned finally wanting to have a baby. SO's story changed- he doesn't think he can or will ever be able to support me. I am not some independent career woman, I'm a flaky artist barely making ends meet as is. I can't support myself if I leave him. I have no family that could support me, no close friends, I would definitely have to live out of a car. What am I supposed to do? I am almost out of time. It had already taken me until 26 to find a man with property and a decent income. Honestly not sure I want to even continue to live. This society sucks.
When men recognize we aren’t going to get the lifestyle we want in our current job (or lack thereof) or with our current skills, we find a new job or get some new skills rather than sit around thinking about suicide. I had to make a major career change myself at age 34, on recognition that my then-job was going to keep me impoverished for life and I wasn’t okay with that. You should try making a career/skills change. 30 is not in any way too late to do that. You also want children; despite a lot of lame jokes we hear about the biological clock, no part of a woman’s 30s is too late to have kids, so if you spend some time becoming more self-sufficient, you’ll still have time to nab a MATURE man and have a family. But the time to stop wallowing is right now. Men in their 30s might be willing to carry the full weight of supporting “a flaky artist” but the likely reality is, any man who just wants to carry a woman through life already found her in his 20s. Women who want that are the type who go to college only seeking “the MRS degree,” or took similar strategies. Men who want that can find a 22-year-old.
The advantage of being a self-sufficient woman in her 30s is that you’re going to attract self-sufficient men in their 30s. Put both together and you have a comfortable household to raise children in. So go for it! Don’t think life isn’t worth living just because it hadn’t worked out yet!
You need to be open and honest with him and set clear as day specific goals. Like tell him that if you aren't engaged by the end of the year, you are gone. In the meantime, you need to work on at least being able to be independent. Pick up a job or skill that will at least allow you to afford renting a room somewhere. Then if he fails to follow through, you leave.
If you reenter the dating world, you need to have your shit together because time is not on your side. You need to date with the intention of marriage and a family. No casual sex on a first date or playing with flakey men. I would suggest trying to meet a guy at church or maybe through the local Young Republicans club or somewhere that you can pre-vet someone's beliefs. Or perhaps be very explicit in your values and beliefs in a dating profile. Dating sucks ass. Dating is even worse when you have a limited amount of time to find someone serious about starting a family.
Lmao maybe you should evaluated character over property and income then?? Good character would include eing hard working and motivated among other things and lead to the materialistic shit you want. Also if he hasn't married you in 4 years he's never going to marry you. If you're a flaky artist you'd better be bringing something to the table whether looks or home making skills. Finally if he's not Christian it's DOA anyway.
Woman age 30, been with my SO for over 4 years, working together to grow close and become a family. He knew I wanted kids from the start. Four years on, still waiting for a ring...
I found a sucker who I thought I could trap, but he was smarter than I thought and I realized too late.
I'm probably going to try a rape or DV accusation soon.
Four years on, still waiting for a ring... I mentioned finally wanting to have a baby. SO's story changed- he doesn't think he can or will ever be able to support me. I am not some independent career woman, I'm a flaky artist barely making ends meet as is.
He's a smart guy, realized that he's a mark for an 18 year bailout of your "career".
I just want to highlight the contrast here :
I'm a flaky artist barely making ends meet as is.
It had already taken me until 26 to find a man with property and a decent income.
Queen fuck-up wanted a bailout for her poor choices in life and thought she found someone dumb enough to sign a contract with someone with zero wealth, practically guaranteeing 5+ years of alimony for her because "she needs the support" and maybe even her own property from the settlement.
Honestly not sure I want to even continue to live. This society sucks.
Attention seeking much?
But yes, it does suck. There are men who actually fall for con merchants like you and ruin their fucking lives.
This isn't personal, I'm just highlighting the sheer audacity and self-obsession women have when it comes to judging their value. I hope you don't end it all, and maybe consider retraining for a second shot at a good career, using the female privilege you have.
Jordan Peterson told his audience the facts years ago: Women mate across and up status hierarchies, men mate across and down.
When all the men in their social stratum are either already married or not interested, high-powered hose bags bitch, freeze their eggs, and hope for some miracle to happen before they're 50.
Men who are reluctant to partner with high-achieving women, leaving these women single for many years.
I'm sure these high-achieving women have all the traits men want in their partners. It's their achievements that put men of, not their personalities. Right? .... It's not their personalities, pretty please?
Men who are unready for marriage and children, often leading to relationship demise
The way the western world is set up, either of those can and will be used as weapons when the relationship ends. I'm sure it'd be easier for women to find partners if they stopped raping ex-partners in family-court. But they don't want that specific weapon gone
Men who exhibit bad behaviour, including infidelity and ageins, which often [...]
Funny how the men that exhibit this bad behaviour tend to get the most women (I mean, how the fuck can he cheat otherwise). This bad behaviour is rewarded by women's poor choices. Why would the guys want to change for the better?
And stick it with the ageism. No man wants an old unfertile cunt.
No evidence has ever been produced for this. Both men and women are unhappy with the woman earning more.
Men don't mind that a woman is "high-achieving", what they mind is the stuck up bitch attitude that comes along with it.
You and I don't agree often, and I laughed for months about how you assumed my wife wasn't real(seriously we still chuckle about it), but you are correct about this.
The largely correct presumption that "successful" women are going to be a bitch, is the hurdle here.
And that's not going to change because the stereotype is absolutely true. Men don't like bitchy women.
Women make bad partner choices, blame the fact the 8 won’t settle for the female 6 that was easy pussy, then claims it’s because “the man wasn’t ready to settle down”. It’s almost like the freedom of choice comes with the responsibility of those choices, despite women’s best efforts to remove them.
I know it is circumstantial evidence, but there is this feminist chick, we've been colleagues for over 8 years and we keep in touch, she is single a lot and I asked her what she looks for in a man, she wants someone who is tall and makes more money then her. Another case, a friend of my wife was a department head at a large IT company, good looking, smart and was looking for a relationship, of course she only settled with a millionaire that brought her diamonds on the first date.
If you can get a millionaire who will bring you diamonds on the first date, why would you settle for anything less?
A lot of these problems are created by men and their non-existent standards.
If she can get a guy at that level to commit then she shouldn't settle for less. What's more common is that she gets pumped and dumped by those types of guys and concludes that's she's entitled to commitment from a guy at that level, which isn't how SMV/RMV works. She's free to have those standards of course, but as I've said elsewhere on this thread women tend to be unwilling to accept the likely outcome of maintaining those standards.
Male tolerance of horrible female behavior is part of the problem, yes. But if you believe this why are you constantly shitting on MGTOW? While the motivations for MGTOW guys vary, a common one is low quality women and their shitty behavior. In other words they have standards and they're walking away because women who meet them don't exist in today's culture, even if they don't typically frame it in terms of standards. More men being willing to walk away from shitty deals can only improve the dating market.
This is just the male equivalent of this:
In truth, most MGTOW guys are low status men salty about being priced out of the sexual market place and use the "women are shitty" excuse to justify their resentment. Instead they should improve themselves and the female problem mostly solves itself.
Is this speculation about the mental states of others based on empirical data?
That goes without saying. But I do get a sense from some people basically demanding WOMEN SHOULD LOWER THEIR STANDARDS. I'd actually like it if they raised their standards. I see too many fat abominations with decent looking women.
Because of that self-important name that they give themselves, claiming they "go their own way" when all they do is whine about women, and because they are not the solution.
There you have it. I also don't think that such women don't exist.
When they're told this it's almost always in the context of them whining about the lack of men. If they hate being single that much then lowering their standards is the other option. I actually don't recommend this because it never ends well for the dudes that get settled for, but when they have 2 choices and they endlessly bitch about one of those choices suggesting the other one is logical. No one except legit incels are demanding this.
If "their own way" involves whining about women, then that's their own way. There's a (sometimes deliberate) misconception that "going their own way" means disappearing so their feminist betters aren't inconvenienced by their existence. That's a legitimate option, but not the only one. The only reason women figure into it at all is because getting legally entangled with them means losing control of your own destiny, which is what MGTOW is really about. It just so happens that I think the MGTOW community could use more self improvement and lifestyle content, but it's not something I can bring up without sounding like a feminist who's only interested in controlling what the community talks about.
They're one form that the solution can take. One way or the other the solution is going to entail a system that doesn't reward women for their bad choices. I actually don't believe that MGTOW is going to do much at the societal level because it doesn't solve the simp problem that keeps the clown show going. What it does is protect its adherents from a hostile legal and social system and allows them to live their best lives under the circumstances. Society won't change until until the whole thing crashes and burns.
Women should lower their standards. Men should too. Unrealistic expectations is the hallmark of postmodernist decay. The idea that everyone can or should be a rockstar, sports star, model or actress.
Contentment is a good thing, even if someone's lot in life isn't glamorous.
Women in particular however, should lower their standards because their standards are artificially high. Even compared to men, whose standards are inflated thanks to the porn industry(nevermind who's responsible for that), women are inculcated with the lie that every one of them is a princess and deserves a vice president with a car that costs as much as a house.
It's socialism, essentially. The idea that resources aren't really scarce, and that social gluttony is accessible to everyone. Then they ride the cock rollercoaster in search of this illusion until they're too old and used up for the man they really wanted to give a damn.
But the biggest reason women should lower their standards is a simple matter of reality. They have a shelf life. Men don't.
This is a good attitude, though I don't agree that any of those categories are 'good'. Where I disagree is that with these obesity rates, people should lower their standards even further. Maybe if their raised their standards a bit, to at least "don't be 100 pounds overweight", people would be forced to lose weight unless they wanted to be alone.
I think it's very naive to think that there would be no porn if that scapegoat wasn't there. There's money to be made there, and people are going to do it. The problem is societal and not a particular group of people.
Everyone has a shelf life. It's just that for women, all main desirable qualities decline with age, whereas for men, the 'resources' one gets better.
The guy who is balding, unemployed, fat and living in his mom's basement at age 25 isn't going to do any better at age 40, in fact, he will do much worse.
No one said there would be no porn. What I said is that certain people who seem to chronically try to undermine and degrade civilized societies are proliferating it knowingly, with destructive intent.
That statement was for SMV you know it. Not that I'd expect a sodomite to understand the concept.
You can't be for real.
In terms of physical appearance certainly.
Men have low standards for sex and high standards for relationships. Too many women don't know the difference between the two. If he'll have sex with you, that doesn't mean that he'll get in a relationship with you.
Retarded logic. A millionaire man can afford to bait his hook with diamonds, and so men in general are to blame for most women abandoning the institution of assortive mating? Be less dumb, Antonio. You’re starting to border on legitimate simpery.
Not sure where you got that, but OK.
'Simp' is to the right what 'racist' is to the left. Refute what I say if you don't like it.
Or call me names, but that just shows that you don't have any way to refute it.
Because dumbass women are taught from birth "NEVER SETTLE!" so once the "new car" shine wears off their current paramour, they will start looking for a replacement, while suddenly "noticing" all the small behaviors of which they disapprove.
Still men want women that are equal or less while women want men that are equal or more.
If fat, balding, unemployed losers had a shot with supermodels, they'd go for it.
True enough
They should just go for the guys with a mommy fetish. Those types would cling to an older, nurturing woman.
But of course, they don't want that - they'd rather die alone chasing someone that wouldn't give them a second look.
They think their wealth gives them extra power in dating, but it doesn't, because everyone knows a woman's policy with assets is what's yours is hers and what's hers is definitely hers.
Maybe, but these "boss girls" are anything but nurturing. That's a big part of their problem to begin with.
Can you imagine those psychopaths raising a kid?
I have to assume that they mellow slightly to become parents, even if that's likely untrue.
As if they'd spend their time actually doing any parenting when they can drop their spawn off at the nearest carer facility 22hrs a day (the maid can take care of them the other 2)
But in that case, why would you even want a kid?
You can't imagine why a narcissistic psychopath who's been raised on the "you can have it all" propaganda wouldn't want a designer "little me"?
Don't you claim that every woman on planet earth is bad except for your mother?
So? Are you mad that they have standards?
I doubt Imp gives a shit since he avoids women like the plague. As for your larger point about standards: Standards are fine if you're willing to accept staying single if you can't find someone who meets them. The problem is that women aren't fine with that outcome for the most part. So they price themselves out of the market and become bitter old hags writing articles on feminist sites about how men need to "step up" and marry them. In many cases they go sniffing around for an economically successful beta to divorce rape when they finally realize that the Gigachad they feel entitled to won't commit. Even that's not viable for the "career woman" type in the OP because it requires a man who makes significantly more than her, and those men are rare and have much better options. So they blame men, the patriarchy, or whoever else they need to blame to avoid taking responsibility for their bad decisions.
Yes, that is quite ironic. I think both men and women should raise their standards, so I don't go around saying that it's fine for one side to have standards and not the other side.
Jesus Christ man.
And this is based on what exactly?
And then we laugh in their face.
I don't know why the phenomenon of women being able to take half of your shit whenever they want being called this is so outrageous.
This is based on the phenomenon known as “hitting the wall”
Cause it's retarded.
It's memes all the way down?
No, I claim that every woman on earth should be assumed bad, but that shouldn't stretch to your family members for fairly obvious reasons.
Not really, they wouldn't meet my standards or likely anyone else here. Although if I had access to their wealth, maybe I'd take a shot. It'd be some kind of great character arc for me to take a woman to the cleaners and use the re-appropriated money to build my movement.
As I always say, it's not even that you're wrong about women, but you are wrong to limit your logic to women.
What are those obvious reasons?
Just buy 7 minutes of airtime, since you've assured us that you'd get 80% of people to hate women if you got it.
Hating your family will likely cause a situation that gives you poor mental health and nobody to fall back on when anything bad happens to you.
Yes, but what does hating half the human population do for your mental health?
What does getting falsely accused of rape do to your mental health?
Men want women who make their dicks hard & who will be emotionally and otherwise supportive. Often shortened to: "hot but not crazy".
Women want men who will boost their social status & provide them with a sense of security & material wealth.
Women who over-value themselves relative to men make poor partners. Women place a high value on height (social status boosting) and income (status & wealth). Therefore, tall women, and women who have high incomes, value themselves very highly, yet men do not value these women highly at all. In fact, because men correctly come to associate these women with having an overly-inflated opinion of themselves, men actually see these traits as detrimental.
As a result, many of these women have a large disconnect between their expectations of what kind of man they "deserve" while those same men do not value them. So they remain single.
Simple as.
"broke ass niggas" don't count. they might as well not exist. like fat women.
Holy fucking shit lol, I’m having the same epiphany. A huge mystery of the world suddenly falls into place. I wonder what else we’ll solve today?!
I think you meant "men" for the second word in that sentence. Assuming that's the case I think men typically prefer a shorter partner, but tall women aren't a deal breaker in the way short men are. The reason you don't see many tall woman/short man couples is because the woman won't accept the man instead of the other way around.
Okay, now it makes sense. It sounded like lesbians evaluating potential partners at first which is why I assumed it was a typo. But nope, it's just women overvaluing themselves again. I don't think that tall women believe that their height adds to their SMV/RMV. They just hate short men as all women do, and their definition of short is even more ridiculous than average. "Must be taller than me" is typically the standard they "settle" for when beta hunting. If they're tall already they're not adding much to pool by coming down from whatever delusional standard they had before.
It is not that those traits are detrimental, it is that those traits are independent of any assessment.
What do I want in a woman? A heart, a brain, two lungs, two kidneys, a liver...
That's the joke. Men have no standards as it comes to sexual value. That's why you see those Lewinskis and Rials and Heards nabbing AAA-class men. Men have preferences, sure, but not standards.
Bullshit.
There are plenty of men out there who'd jump at the chance of having a sugar mommy who asks nothing of them except to cook, clean and fuck. The simple reality is that women don't want that.
These women are single for many years because they're naturally, BIOLOGICALLY inclined to seek males who provide material wealth for them.
Divorces are overwhelmingly initiated by women. Don't talk to me about men being unready.
Women are just as big a bunch of whores. And as for ageism, if the goal of a marriage is a family, then yeah, a man had better discriminate by age. He has to.
This reads like some bitter strumpet wrote it who whored herself out for years and no man wanted to touch her as soon as she lost her looks.
The issue here is that men are looking for women but the women are acting like men. The kind of men they want aren't looking for high earning women because they already make enough money, they aren't looking for a 30+ year old career woman to raise a family with and they aren't looking for a woman who has a sexual history as long as 'War and Peace'.
These women have been lied to and pressured into taking on the roles of men and are flabbergasted when men view them as such. They've been tricked into thinking that biological inclinations don't matter that a 28 y/o woman who is 30lbs overweight, who writes spreadsheets 8 hours a day for 50k a year is better than an attractive 24 y/o waitress.
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If women jumped from their ego to their actual value, they'd probably not survive the fall.
Today's episode of everything is other people's fault : Women freeze their eggs because they can't find good men to raise their kids.
Jesus. There's an entire section of the article entitled:
"Men as partners are the problem"
“Entitled” was the right word to use there for two reasons lol
Maybe the men wouldn't be such problematic partners if the women didn't do their level best to select against relationship oriented men who would make good partners. In a dating market where only the likes of Chad Thundercock and Tyrone McDickerson get a good deal, other men start acting them. You get what you incentivize. If relationship oriented men got the Chad and Tyrone treatment there would far more of them. But since those men are treated like subhumans they either become the dickheads that women whine about or drop out of the market entirely.
Look at the bottom comment. Fucking hilarious.
Women don't treat men who earn less than them the same way they treat men who earn more than them. Men want to be treated in the manner women treat men who earn more than them. That is all.
Most men are ready for marriage and children but most men don't want to rush into a marriage because of the significant risks involved. Also, no man wants to share the responsibility of raising a child 50/50. Ideally, pretty much all men want the woman to be the primary caretaker with the man being the supporting influence on child rearing. This ties into #1 because almost all women who are "high-achievers" want to split the child rearing 50/50 or even ask the man to take primary responsibility. Men simply do not want this. Men are ready for children but women simply don't want to provide the child rearing support men would need to decide to have children.
Women cheat more than men. Women are significantly less attractive after the age of ~25yo. The issue is that women tend to act like men shouldn't regard them with less value at 40yo compared to 25yo but a 25yo woman will always be more attractive than a 40yo woman. That's a fact. Most high-achieving women act when they're 40yo as if they're a bigger catch than an attractive 25yo but they aren't. If these high achieving woman acted with more humility and humbleness, it wouldn't lead to as much relationship instability and rapture.
I'm struggling with this myself. Woman age 30, been with my SO for over 4 years, working together to grow close and become a family. He knew I wanted kids from the start. Four years on, still waiting for a ring... I mentioned finally wanting to have a baby. SO's story changed- he doesn't think he can or will ever be able to support me. I am not some independent career woman, I'm a flaky artist barely making ends meet as is. I can't support myself if I leave him. I have no family that could support me, no close friends, I would definitely have to live out of a car. What am I supposed to do? I am almost out of time. It had already taken me until 26 to find a man with property and a decent income. Honestly not sure I want to even continue to live. This society sucks.
When men recognize we aren’t going to get the lifestyle we want in our current job (or lack thereof) or with our current skills, we find a new job or get some new skills rather than sit around thinking about suicide. I had to make a major career change myself at age 34, on recognition that my then-job was going to keep me impoverished for life and I wasn’t okay with that. You should try making a career/skills change. 30 is not in any way too late to do that. You also want children; despite a lot of lame jokes we hear about the biological clock, no part of a woman’s 30s is too late to have kids, so if you spend some time becoming more self-sufficient, you’ll still have time to nab a MATURE man and have a family. But the time to stop wallowing is right now. Men in their 30s might be willing to carry the full weight of supporting “a flaky artist” but the likely reality is, any man who just wants to carry a woman through life already found her in his 20s. Women who want that are the type who go to college only seeking “the MRS degree,” or took similar strategies. Men who want that can find a 22-year-old.
The advantage of being a self-sufficient woman in her 30s is that you’re going to attract self-sufficient men in their 30s. Put both together and you have a comfortable household to raise children in. So go for it! Don’t think life isn’t worth living just because it hadn’t worked out yet!
You're too nice, honestly. She admitted to looking for a poor sap to bail her out for her poor decisions.
Even I was too nice in my comment.
You need to be open and honest with him and set clear as day specific goals. Like tell him that if you aren't engaged by the end of the year, you are gone. In the meantime, you need to work on at least being able to be independent. Pick up a job or skill that will at least allow you to afford renting a room somewhere. Then if he fails to follow through, you leave.
If you reenter the dating world, you need to have your shit together because time is not on your side. You need to date with the intention of marriage and a family. No casual sex on a first date or playing with flakey men. I would suggest trying to meet a guy at church or maybe through the local Young Republicans club or somewhere that you can pre-vet someone's beliefs. Or perhaps be very explicit in your values and beliefs in a dating profile. Dating sucks ass. Dating is even worse when you have a limited amount of time to find someone serious about starting a family.
Nah she shouldn't subject any poor dude at church to her baggage. She needs to get with similarly shitty man
Lmao maybe you should evaluated character over property and income then?? Good character would include eing hard working and motivated among other things and lead to the materialistic shit you want. Also if he hasn't married you in 4 years he's never going to marry you. If you're a flaky artist you'd better be bringing something to the table whether looks or home making skills. Finally if he's not Christian it's DOA anyway.
Translated from woman to English :
I found a sucker who I thought I could trap, but he was smarter than I thought and I realized too late.
I'm probably going to try a rape or DV accusation soon.
He's a smart guy, realized that he's a mark for an 18 year bailout of your "career".
I just want to highlight the contrast here :
Queen fuck-up wanted a bailout for her poor choices in life and thought she found someone dumb enough to sign a contract with someone with zero wealth, practically guaranteeing 5+ years of alimony for her because "she needs the support" and maybe even her own property from the settlement.
Attention seeking much?
But yes, it does suck. There are men who actually fall for con merchants like you and ruin their fucking lives.
This isn't personal, I'm just highlighting the sheer audacity and self-obsession women have when it comes to judging their value. I hope you don't end it all, and maybe consider retraining for a second shot at a good career, using the female privilege you have.
You are the least qualified person on Earth to be giving someone life advice.
How so? My life, despite the anger and controversial political positions, is fairly good.
That's some feminist horseshit there.
Jordan Peterson told his audience the facts years ago: Women mate across and up status hierarchies, men mate across and down.
When all the men in their social stratum are either already married or not interested, high-powered hose bags bitch, freeze their eggs, and hope for some miracle to happen before they're 50.
"Compatible." Right.
Funniest part.
these people need to watch kevin samuels and other shows like that
I'm sure these high-achieving women have all the traits men want in their partners. It's their achievements that put men of, not their personalities. Right? .... It's not their personalities, pretty please?
The way the western world is set up, either of those can and will be used as weapons when the relationship ends. I'm sure it'd be easier for women to find partners if they stopped raping ex-partners in family-court. But they don't want that specific weapon gone
Funny how the men that exhibit this bad behaviour tend to get the most women (I mean, how the fuck can he cheat otherwise). This bad behaviour is rewarded by women's poor choices. Why would the guys want to change for the better?
And stick it with the ageism. No man wants an old unfertile cunt.