If you can get a millionaire who will bring you diamonds on the first date, why would you settle for anything less?
If she can get a guy at that level to commit then she shouldn't settle for less. What's more common is that she gets pumped and dumped by those types of guys and concludes that's she's entitled to commitment from a guy at that level, which isn't how SMV/RMV works. She's free to have those standards of course, but as I've said elsewhere on this thread women tend to be unwilling to accept the likely outcome of maintaining those standards.
A lot of these problems are created by men and their non-existent standards.
Male tolerance of horrible female behavior is part of the problem, yes. But if you believe this why are you constantly shitting on MGTOW? While the motivations for MGTOW guys vary, a common one is low quality women and their shitty behavior. In other words they have standards and they're walking away because women who meet them don't exist in today's culture, even if they don't typically frame it in terms of standards. More men being willing to walk away from shitty deals can only improve the dating market.
In other words they have standards and they're walking away because women who meet them don't exist in today's culture,
This is just the male equivalent of this:
She's free to have those standards of course, but as I've said elsewhere on this thread women tend to be unwilling to accept the likely outcome of maintaining those standards.
In truth, most MGTOW guys are low status men salty about being priced out of the sexual market place and use the "women are shitty" excuse to justify their resentment. Instead they should improve themselves and the female problem mostly solves itself.
If she can get a guy at that level to commit then she shouldn't settle for less. What's more common is that she gets pumped and dumped by those types of guys and concludes that's she's entitled to commitment from a guy at that level, which isn't how SMV/RMV works.
Is this speculation about the mental states of others based on empirical data?
She's free to have those standards of course, but as I've said elsewhere on this thread women tend to be unwilling to accept the likely outcome of maintaining those standards.
That goes without saying. But I do get a sense from some people basically demanding WOMEN SHOULD LOWER THEIR STANDARDS. I'd actually like it if they raised their standards. I see too many fat abominations with decent looking women.
But if you believe this why are you constantly shitting on MGTOW?
Because of that self-important name that they give themselves, claiming they "go their own way" when all they do is whine about women, and because they are not the solution.
In other words they have standards and they're walking away because women who meet them don't exist in today's culture, even if they don't typically frame it in terms of standards
There you have it. I also don't think that such women don't exist.
But I do get a sense from some people basically demanding WOMEN SHOULD LOWER THEIR STANDARDS.
When they're told this it's almost always in the context of them whining about the lack of men. If they hate being single that much then lowering their standards is the other option. I actually don't recommend this because it never ends well for the dudes that get settled for, but when they have 2 choices and they endlessly bitch about one of those choices suggesting the other one is logical. No one except legit incels are demanding this.
claiming they "go their own way" when all they do is whine about women
If "their own way" involves whining about women, then that's their own way. There's a (sometimes deliberate) misconception that "going their own way" means disappearing so their feminist betters aren't inconvenienced by their existence. That's a legitimate option, but not the only one. The only reason women figure into it at all is because getting legally entangled with them means losing control of your own destiny, which is what MGTOW is really about. It just so happens that I think the MGTOW community could use more self improvement and lifestyle content, but it's not something I can bring up without sounding like a feminist who's only interested in controlling what the community talks about.
they are not the solution
They're one form that the solution can take. One way or the other the solution is going to entail a system that doesn't reward women for their bad choices. I actually don't believe that MGTOW is going to do much at the societal level because it doesn't solve the simp problem that keeps the clown show going. What it does is protect its adherents from a hostile legal and social system and allows them to live their best lives under the circumstances. Society won't change until until the whole thing crashes and burns.
Women should lower their standards. Men should too. Unrealistic expectations is the hallmark of postmodernist decay. The idea that everyone can or should be a rockstar, sports star, model or actress.
Contentment is a good thing, even if someone's lot in life isn't glamorous.
Women in particular however, should lower their standards because their standards are artificially high. Even compared to men, whose standards are inflated thanks to the porn industry(nevermind who's responsible for that), women are inculcated with the lie that every one of them is a princess and deserves a vice president with a car that costs as much as a house.
It's socialism, essentially. The idea that resources aren't really scarce, and that social gluttony is accessible to everyone. Then they ride the cock rollercoaster in search of this illusion until they're too old and used up for the man they really wanted to give a damn.
But the biggest reason women should lower their standards is a simple matter of reality. They have a shelf life. Men don't.
Women should lower their standards. Men should too. Unrealistic expectations is the hallmark of postmodernist decay. The idea that everyone can or should be a rockstar, sports star, model or actress.
Contentment is a good thing, even if someone's lot in life isn't glamorous.
This is a good attitude, though I don't agree that any of those categories are 'good'. Where I disagree is that with these obesity rates, people should lower their standards even further. Maybe if their raised their standards a bit, to at least "don't be 100 pounds overweight", people would be forced to lose weight unless they wanted to be alone.
nevermind who's responsible for that
I think it's very naive to think that there would be no porn if that scapegoat wasn't there. There's money to be made there, and people are going to do it. The problem is societal and not a particular group of people.
But the biggest reason women should lower their standards is a simple matter of reality. They have a shelf life. Men don't.
Everyone has a shelf life. It's just that for women, all main desirable qualities decline with age, whereas for men, the 'resources' one gets better.
The guy who is balding, unemployed, fat and living in his mom's basement at age 25 isn't going to do any better at age 40, in fact, he will do much worse.
No one said there would be no porn. What I said is that certain people who seem to chronically try to undermine and degrade civilized societies are proliferating it knowingly, with destructive intent.
Everyone has a shelf life
That statement was for SMV you know it. Not that I'd expect a sodomite to understand the concept.
If she can get a guy at that level to commit then she shouldn't settle for less. What's more common is that she gets pumped and dumped by those types of guys and concludes that's she's entitled to commitment from a guy at that level, which isn't how SMV/RMV works. She's free to have those standards of course, but as I've said elsewhere on this thread women tend to be unwilling to accept the likely outcome of maintaining those standards.
Male tolerance of horrible female behavior is part of the problem, yes. But if you believe this why are you constantly shitting on MGTOW? While the motivations for MGTOW guys vary, a common one is low quality women and their shitty behavior. In other words they have standards and they're walking away because women who meet them don't exist in today's culture, even if they don't typically frame it in terms of standards. More men being willing to walk away from shitty deals can only improve the dating market.
This is just the male equivalent of this:
In truth, most MGTOW guys are low status men salty about being priced out of the sexual market place and use the "women are shitty" excuse to justify their resentment. Instead they should improve themselves and the female problem mostly solves itself.
Is this speculation about the mental states of others based on empirical data?
That goes without saying. But I do get a sense from some people basically demanding WOMEN SHOULD LOWER THEIR STANDARDS. I'd actually like it if they raised their standards. I see too many fat abominations with decent looking women.
Because of that self-important name that they give themselves, claiming they "go their own way" when all they do is whine about women, and because they are not the solution.
There you have it. I also don't think that such women don't exist.
When they're told this it's almost always in the context of them whining about the lack of men. If they hate being single that much then lowering their standards is the other option. I actually don't recommend this because it never ends well for the dudes that get settled for, but when they have 2 choices and they endlessly bitch about one of those choices suggesting the other one is logical. No one except legit incels are demanding this.
If "their own way" involves whining about women, then that's their own way. There's a (sometimes deliberate) misconception that "going their own way" means disappearing so their feminist betters aren't inconvenienced by their existence. That's a legitimate option, but not the only one. The only reason women figure into it at all is because getting legally entangled with them means losing control of your own destiny, which is what MGTOW is really about. It just so happens that I think the MGTOW community could use more self improvement and lifestyle content, but it's not something I can bring up without sounding like a feminist who's only interested in controlling what the community talks about.
They're one form that the solution can take. One way or the other the solution is going to entail a system that doesn't reward women for their bad choices. I actually don't believe that MGTOW is going to do much at the societal level because it doesn't solve the simp problem that keeps the clown show going. What it does is protect its adherents from a hostile legal and social system and allows them to live their best lives under the circumstances. Society won't change until until the whole thing crashes and burns.
Women should lower their standards. Men should too. Unrealistic expectations is the hallmark of postmodernist decay. The idea that everyone can or should be a rockstar, sports star, model or actress.
Contentment is a good thing, even if someone's lot in life isn't glamorous.
Women in particular however, should lower their standards because their standards are artificially high. Even compared to men, whose standards are inflated thanks to the porn industry(nevermind who's responsible for that), women are inculcated with the lie that every one of them is a princess and deserves a vice president with a car that costs as much as a house.
It's socialism, essentially. The idea that resources aren't really scarce, and that social gluttony is accessible to everyone. Then they ride the cock rollercoaster in search of this illusion until they're too old and used up for the man they really wanted to give a damn.
But the biggest reason women should lower their standards is a simple matter of reality. They have a shelf life. Men don't.
This is a good attitude, though I don't agree that any of those categories are 'good'. Where I disagree is that with these obesity rates, people should lower their standards even further. Maybe if their raised their standards a bit, to at least "don't be 100 pounds overweight", people would be forced to lose weight unless they wanted to be alone.
I think it's very naive to think that there would be no porn if that scapegoat wasn't there. There's money to be made there, and people are going to do it. The problem is societal and not a particular group of people.
Everyone has a shelf life. It's just that for women, all main desirable qualities decline with age, whereas for men, the 'resources' one gets better.
The guy who is balding, unemployed, fat and living in his mom's basement at age 25 isn't going to do any better at age 40, in fact, he will do much worse.
No one said there would be no porn. What I said is that certain people who seem to chronically try to undermine and degrade civilized societies are proliferating it knowingly, with destructive intent.
That statement was for SMV you know it. Not that I'd expect a sodomite to understand the concept.
You can't be for real.
In terms of physical appearance certainly.