But I do get a sense from some people basically demanding WOMEN SHOULD LOWER THEIR STANDARDS.
When they're told this it's almost always in the context of them whining about the lack of men. If they hate being single that much then lowering their standards is the other option. I actually don't recommend this because it never ends well for the dudes that get settled for, but when they have 2 choices and they endlessly bitch about one of those choices suggesting the other one is logical. No one except legit incels are demanding this.
claiming they "go their own way" when all they do is whine about women
If "their own way" involves whining about women, then that's their own way. There's a (sometimes deliberate) misconception that "going their own way" means disappearing so their feminist betters aren't inconvenienced by their existence. That's a legitimate option, but not the only one. The only reason women figure into it at all is because getting legally entangled with them means losing control of your own destiny, which is what MGTOW is really about. It just so happens that I think the MGTOW community could use more self improvement and lifestyle content, but it's not something I can bring up without sounding like a feminist who's only interested in controlling what the community talks about.
they are not the solution
They're one form that the solution can take. One way or the other the solution is going to entail a system that doesn't reward women for their bad choices. I actually don't believe that MGTOW is going to do much at the societal level because it doesn't solve the simp problem that keeps the clown show going. What it does is protect its adherents from a hostile legal and social system and allows them to live their best lives under the circumstances. Society won't change until until the whole thing crashes and burns.
When they're told this it's almost always in the context of them whining about the lack of men. If they hate being single that much then lowering their standards is the other option. I actually don't recommend this because it never ends well for the dudes that get settled for, but when they have 2 choices and they endlessly bitch about one of those choices suggesting the other one is logical. No one except legit incels are demanding this.
If "their own way" involves whining about women, then that's their own way. There's a (sometimes deliberate) misconception that "going their own way" means disappearing so their feminist betters aren't inconvenienced by their existence. That's a legitimate option, but not the only one. The only reason women figure into it at all is because getting legally entangled with them means losing control of your own destiny, which is what MGTOW is really about. It just so happens that I think the MGTOW community could use more self improvement and lifestyle content, but it's not something I can bring up without sounding like a feminist who's only interested in controlling what the community talks about.
They're one form that the solution can take. One way or the other the solution is going to entail a system that doesn't reward women for their bad choices. I actually don't believe that MGTOW is going to do much at the societal level because it doesn't solve the simp problem that keeps the clown show going. What it does is protect its adherents from a hostile legal and social system and allows them to live their best lives under the circumstances. Society won't change until until the whole thing crashes and burns.