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posted 3 years ago by Wizard08 3 years ago by Wizard08 +39 / -0
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– dagthegnome 33 points 3 years ago +33 / -0

And how many people on the so-called right are going to be dancing around or even outright celebrating this obvious political prosecution?

The mere fact that they feel the need to do this is a the proof I need that Trump is still a threat to the regime

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– AntonioOfVenice 19 points 3 years ago +19 / -0

And how many people on the so-called right are going to be dancing around or even outright celebrating this obvious political prosecution?

Very few, I think, if only because they don't want to totally discredit themselves and create a free-for-all where this sort of political prosecution can be turned on someone they like.

The mere fact that they feel the need to do this is a the proof I need that Trump is still a threat to the regime

The irony is that they are the greatest threat to the regime, through their heavy-handed treatment of Trump. It exposes them for what they are: oligarchic tyrants. Trump was no threat to them (unfortunately), but they're so obsessed with completely destroying him to make an example of what happens to someone who challenges them, that they go fully mask off.

And while I agree with you that they want Trump out of the way, it is also not impossible that they do this to boost him in the primary because they think he is easier to beat. Or that there is no plan to this beyond retribution.

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– dagthegnome 25 points 3 years ago +25 / -0

I disagree that Trump is no threat to them: I think there's a bit of a defeatist fallacy in dissident right communities like this where we tend to think the regime is much more stable than it is. In reality, it's a house of cards, and their increasing willingness to resort to transparent authoritarianism demonstrates just how fragile their hold on power really is. Trump represents the one thing they are most afraid of: a member of the elite, too rich to be bought or bullied, who doesn't subscribe to their worldview. He terrifies them.

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– AntonioOfVenice 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

I think there's a bit of a defeatist fallacy in dissident right communities like this where we tend to think the regime is much more stable than it is.

Agreed, but it's very simplistic to think that you can beat the regime with the regime's own elections - and not because of massive fraud that I don't believe in. There is an entire apparatus in place to make sure those elections mean absolutely nothing. Elections are for the legitimation of the order, not for deciding what policies should exist. Even if you did win an election with a highly competent man who knows how to wield the levers of power, it will always be swimming against the tide, and everything will be swept away the next time around.

Which does not exempt anyone from the duty to resist this great evil, which even in countries like Zimbabwe can entail participation in elections. But you should know what you are up against.

In reality, it's a house of cards, and their increasing willingness to resort to transparent authoritarianism demonstrates just how fragile their hold on power really is.

Regimes tend to overreact to even minor challenges to their power. And obviously, some of it is not overreaction but consolidation based on a phony threat, like the Reichstag fire.

Trump represents the one thing they are most afraid of: a member of the elite, too rich to be bought or bullied, who doesn't subscribe to their worldview. He terrifies them.

Yes, which is why I support him. I don't know why though. They can't buy or bully him, but they could have flattered him into supporting them. They took the worst possible approach in dealing with Trump: attacking him just makes him more defiant and more anti-them.

Remember: he was a DEMOCRAT. I am not sure how many proper convictions he has beyond CHYYYNA BAD. But the regime attacked him and the GOP diehards supported him, and that's why he's with them.

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– dagthegnome 16 points 3 years ago +16 / -0

I think what sets billionaire "good guys" like Trump and Elon apart is that they understand the importance of aspiration and freedom of innovation to continued prosperity.

The rest of the elite, even the first-generation, self-made ones like Bill Gates seem obsessed with the idea of consolidating their position by eradicating the middle class. If they destroy people's freedom to innovate, and their ability to be self-sufficient without depending on the elite, they believe they can ensure there will never again be anyone who can dislodge them or compete with them. Only a very few, Trump included, understand that everyone's continued prosperity, including that of the super rich, depends on the freedom to innovate, and that can't exist without a free market of ideas. Not to mention that the elite will never be safe from the underclass without the promise of aspiration: if people don't feel they have any avenue to improve their circumstances and ensure a better future for their children, they will rapidly come to the conclusion that they have nothing to lose.

Trump has some pretty silly ideas, and he wasn't as effective in office as he could have been, but what draws people to him that he clearly and obviously values the same things about American and Western society that ordinary, non-elite people value, and that sets him apart from almost every other billionaire and politician.

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– WeedleTLiar 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Bill Gates the third, you mean?

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– Adamrises 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

transparent authoritarianism demonstrates just how fragile their hold on power really is.

A paranoid king stabbing at random shadows still has a castle and an army. Just because they are terrified and overreacting doesn't mean their power structure is actually within reach of any of us.

Perhaps a real monster of a leader could accomplish it, but Trump is not that. He isn't half as unhinged and willing to break the rules as they paint him.

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– dagthegnome 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

He's better than nothing. The elite theorists are right about one thing: without maverick elites like Trump on our side, we have no chance at all. There has never been a successful grassroots revolution with no elite support: not once in all of recorded history.

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– Adamrises 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0

He is better than nothing, I don't disagree. I voted for him after all.

But let's not take their ridiculous reactions as indicative of them being actually vulnerable. They might think they are, and are acting on that paranoia, but that's par for the course of being an elite to begin with. Irrational reactions to minor irrelevant threats.

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– Ooxo5eu5 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

The Haitian revolution was a grassroots revolution, started by slaves without any elite support.

They had unusually terrible lives, even for slaves, so nothing to loose. They had a separate culture, religion, language, race which made them completely isolated from the elite group. They also were in the majority by a massive margin.

The revolution spread like a fire. It started at one plantation, news of success got out, the next plantation revolted, and the next, and the next, and so on. After a while, the slaves had congregated to marauding armies that roamed through the land and absorbed supplies and new fighters wherever they went.

The revolution was initially successful, and a moderate government formed. Slavery was a abolished and the government was headed by a black man, but the plantation economy remained in place and the elite remained predominantly white. So it has actually happened once in recorded history.

A counterrevolutionary army was dispatched from France and reconquered the capital. They were soon defeated by a more extreme rebel group, which then committed a terrible genocide. That government was... not a success, to put it mildly.

I don't see how that situation is in the slightest bit similar to modern America. Live needs to be really fucking bad until a grassroots revolt can actually happen.

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– dagthegnome 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

The Haitian revolutionaries received logistical, financial and military support from the British and the Spanish, who hoped to use it to undermine French interests and power in the Caribbean, and it worked. They likely wouldn't have been successful without that support.

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– trump4044 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

Could also be staged to make him a martyr.

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– Assassin47 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

how many people on the so-called right are going to be dancing around or even outright celebrating

I know you meant politicians/pundits but I wanted to mention that some actual regular people on the right want it to happen to accelerate things or as "a wake up call" to normie conservatives. I was watching a Razorfist stream last night where many people echoed that sentiment.

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– dagthegnome 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I'm sure Razor will quickly release a rant correctly lambasting those people for the cucks they are

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– AntonioOfVenice 33 points 3 years ago +33 / -0

Just yesterday, a guy here was assuring me that the US and its European puppets are 'democracies'. So much for that.

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– AnotherSchwarzesMark 22 points 3 years ago +22 / -0

Democracy now means the "good guys" win.

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– OldBullLee 31 points 3 years ago +31 / -0

It just never ends.

Fifty years from now Trump's mummified corpse will be displayed on the WH lawn for ritual debasement--they'll put donkey ears on it and have trannies fuck children before it to appease Moloch.

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– almond_activator 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

I think the odds of the world surviving the neoliberal order for fifty years is pretty slim.

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– Guy_Incognito76 13 points 3 years ago +13 / -0

If he goes to jail he will be Epstein'd

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0

On what charges?

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– Gizortnik 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

Doesn't really matter when they could just pick whatever they want in the first place.

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– CarmenOfSandiego 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

They'll figure that out later.

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Apparently it's about the Stormy Daniels thing, claiming he bribed her rather than paying a settlement.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Lol how is that even possible to arrest someone for

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– Devidose 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

They'll figure that out later? 🤔

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– MLGS 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

Something to do with paperwork related to Stormy Daniels is the false pretense they're using.

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– when_we_win_remember 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

They have to suppose that he made an illegal campaign contribution and that NY has the standing or whatever to prosecute him for it.

According to "legal minds" who made declarations today, neither thing is established law.

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– deleted 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0
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– TriangleGang 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

You'd have to have several big depositors at a smaller bank to have an impact. You'd be hoping to kick off a domino effect once word hits the streets that more banks have failed.

The only way to really crash the system is if the big ones like Bank of America, Chase, and Wells Fargo are in trouble. That's not going to happen unless panic spreads to the normies and they all run to the ATM.

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– Gizortnik 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

I like it, but it won't work because the regime would rather centralize the banks using the bank runs, and would also just ask banks to stop allowing withdraws, which they will do.

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– WeedleTLiar 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

The fact they still have money in the banks at all explains why nothing they do will be effective.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

If he wins the election from prison and then Parsons himself, I expect more rioting. The big thing will be getting the next guy to replace him. I want DeSantis where he is, so there is somewhere safe.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Why would the right riot?

I mean, yeah, there would be riots in blue areas as they literally wouldn't be able to control themselves and would probably shoot a cop in celebration, or set fire to some random white kid, but I don't see riots coming.

Civil Disobedience and disruption? Yeah, that would be more likely, but not rioting.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

I meant the left rioting. They will say it's proof trump is evil and end up destroying their own cities again.

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– Gizortnik 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

I still think it'll be celebratory rioting. Most of the BLM stuff was for the purposes of culling left-wing normies. In this case, it'll mostly be incoherent screaming and crying, and maybe a drive-by of some random asians in a suburb kind of a deal. That and plowing into a Nordstrom's with a car and looting it.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Why not both?

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– Gizortnik 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Because the standard BLM ones were paid for, in order to intimidate the normies. They don't really have to pay for riots to intimidate normies right now. Doesn't serve a purpose. Trump goes to jail: okay, so what? The average "center-lefty" is going to think to herself: "Well, I'm sure he did something. Maybe Bernie can run again!" like the idiot she is.

There's no reason for a member of The Bloods to confront her in an elevator and scream "Black Lives Matter you white bitch!". She still thinks she's on the winning team, so they don't need to intimidate her into thinking she has to get with the winning team.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

I meant if he won.

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– Gizortnik 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

OH. Oh well, in that case, yeah, massive riots.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Paid rioters everywhere.

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– dekachin 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

100% of the reason Democrats are arresting him is a psyop to boost his electoral chances because the Democrats know the only way they will win, is if Trump is the nominee.

Don't fall for it. This is pure bait.

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– Gizortnik 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

You and Matt Walsh are fucking retards for this opinion.

That's like saying that the terror campaign on May 29th 2020 was an attempt to re-elect Donald Trump.

It wasn't. The Left hates Trump with an undying passion and would be happy to kill him if there weren't enough people in positions of power to realize that the blowback could actually harden the right beyond all control. LBJ's coup after JFK's death did nothing but absolutely cement the former Kennedy admins into permanent opposition, and RFK's death made the progressives utterly unbending, and MLK's death pushed the country into some of the largest riots in it's history, and made Black National Socialist and White Communist terrorism absolutely normal for 15 years. So, for now, they know better.

This is a dog-whistle to the progressives. This specific DA is absolutely dead-set on pursuing Trump regardless of sanity or law. She's been like this since before Day 1. Getting the Left to scream about Trump, instead of allowing them to notice that their progressive heroes are bailing out even more banks in the face of total economic collapse is the only purpose.

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– LeRiverDanube 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

It's frightening how everyone already forgot the recent bank collapses just a couple days ago.

Oh and the train mess too. jesus I think i'd rather have nukes start raining now at this point.

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– LeRiverDanube 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

they'll win regardless since they can cheat the system. What's stupid is everyone thinking any rep but trump can beat a rigged system

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– dekachin 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

they'll win regardless since they can cheat the system.

stupid

wrong

demoralizing

people like you are a cancer on the Right.

What's stupid is everyone thinking any rep but trump can beat a rigged system

Trump had 4 years as President and he didn't beat the system. We have proof he can't.

So since I know you're lying about why you support Trump, why don't you tell us the real reason you support him?

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– LeRiverDanube 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

You are woefully naive if you think you still have a properly functioning government...

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– DoritoBlizzardPence 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

I thought you qtards were already done with your little cult? Millions of fake ballots dumped and you still thibk rino desabtis or comrade niki haley would overcome the fraud. You are as embarraassing as mitt romney

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– LeRiverDanube 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

this sub in general is basically conslite

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– DoritoBlizzardPence 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Consume BigCon propaganda and get excited for more BigCon propaganda! Im gonna vote so hard! Trust the plan, teust sessions, Trust Q!

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– poherf 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

The die is cast.

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– JustHereForTheSalmon 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

I wonder if sitting in a jail cell if he'd finally admit he should have done something or if he'll just put himself to sleep with assuring declarations about lowest unemployment among women, blacks, etc...

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– Anither 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

'go into the building' - someone somewhere

Stay cozy and enjoy the show

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– Gizortnik 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Honestly, it doesn't mean anything. Protest at some specific red-loyal area if you want, but for the most part, I still think apathy to their charges is just fine.

Now yes, the fact that there aren't going to be protests over 500,000 in number, means that the Neo-Con right will just say: "See?!! Literally no republican supports him. Trump is dead. Maga is dead. Oh, by the way DeSantis is Hitler, and DeSantis with Maga obviously can't go forward, guess you'll have to vote Haley. Fag." But, of course, that too is disinformation and demoralization.

Charge him, impeach him, do whatever you want, but don't ever forget to eat shit and die, because fuck you I'll promote subversion, civil disobedience, and independence among everyone I know.

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– Smith1980 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Protest and take our nation back will be called incitement.

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– GeronimoJackson 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

This is how you win Tropico. Si si si si El Presidente. We need a Biden meme where he's in full-on El Jefe junta uniform

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– trump4044 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

He's guilty anyways. Just like Andrew Tate is guilty. Coomers all.

Aint that right?

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– GimmeFuelGimmeFire 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Think this seals 2024, Trump will be the nominee and will win handily in November.

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– HotDogHope 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

You guys know this only helps him, right? Seriously, his polling numbers went up with every impeachment. This will be (rightfully) seen as a gross overstep by the Democrats, and on a gut level people will feel the desperation in this move.

This translates into more moderates (and even some Democrats) voting Republican, and puts more untapped ballots up for grabs when the Republicans start going door-to-door and harvesting ballots.

Yeah it sucks, but the more heavy handed the Democrats become, the more people become sympathetic to the other side.

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– AccountWasFree 47 points 3 years ago +47 / -0

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

People don't like to hear it (because coming to terms with living with tyranny their whole lives is uncomfortable), but America should have revolted a long time ago. Closer to century ago than not.

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– spambot 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

yup there are subtler ways to go about it from putting perishables where they dont belong, to encoraging vermin to move into a place their not wanted the idea is to slow down production passively if they cant convine because the place is being fumigated for the 90th time in a row they are likely to just demolish the building and build a new one bounus if its the politicans house and not the place of work that gets it. be a bit creative after all rats are easy to get and breed fast but wont infest a place if its recently been bombed with poison.

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– ProdigalPlaneswalker 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

"One combatant can perform many of them, without having to turn to collaborators or having to make a detailed plan beforehand. These are acts that can be done practically in an improvised way every time an occasion presents itself... However, necessary caution should be taken, and only when the task requires it, should another person or persons participate in or have knowledge of a given act..." - The Freedom Fighter's Manual

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– AccountWasFree 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

You won't change the system from within or via some mythical cultural shift. People have tried far longer than you have even thought about the problem, let alone possible solutions.

The best approach outside of revolution (which isn't something that will happen without radical destruction to everyday elements people truly take for absolute granted) is to break away from the system as much as possible and be as independent as you can be (homestead, learn skills, hunt, homeschool, etc, etc). It doesn't solve the problem, but at this stage it won't get solved until things get much, much worse. So take care of yourself and those close to you and that's the best you can do for now.

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– AccountWasFree 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Gotta walk before you can run.

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... continue reading thread?
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– trump4044 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0
  1. That was the date.
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– AccountWasFree 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

Yup. Specifically December 23rd.

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– realerfunction 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

1865 tbh

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– AccountWasFree 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

To be fair, they tried. It was the arguably that failure that has allowed so much tyranny to flourish ever since. But I agree with the other poster that the creation of the Federal Reserve is another key date that should have spurred revolution.

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– WeedleTLiar 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

They should protest; just dress up like antifa, say you're against Trump, then storm the courthouse and burn it down because "they're just going to let him go cause white supremecy, blah blah".

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– elleand202 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Unironically, tho. If Trump supporters go out and protest, they need to adopt black bloc tactics like all dressing the same, obscuring their faces, bringing PPE like gas masks, helmets, and padding, not bringing their cell phones, etc., etc.

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– Adamrises 25 points 3 years ago +25 / -0

If people weren't dumb, they'd have seen Trump for what he was. A giant shakeup to the Republican side of things to show that their status quo had failed, and they needed to change to survive. He himself being irrelevant other than being a bullheaded agent of chaos, as gay as that sounds.

Instead people got caught up in him and thought he was something special who was going to fix everything.

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– AntonioOfVenice 17 points 3 years ago +17 / -0

bullheaded agent of chaos

Interesting way to put it. Now I know why I liked him.

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– almond_activator 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

I liked the Michael Moore 'human hand grenade thrown at Washington D.C.' allegory. The whole speech was fantastic, if you stop listening before the part where he tries to claim they're wrong and will regret it soon after he takes office.

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– AntonioOfVenice 18 points 3 years ago +18 / -0

He wasn't a Republican when David Frum was.

Sounds good to me.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

He's a billionaire.

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– dekachin 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

You don't get to call anyone else a cuck when your ass isn't out in the streets.

y-y-y-ou guys should be out fighting or you're a bunch of cucks! Me? Uhh I'm sick today fake coughs I'll join you tomorrow if I feel like it, c-c-c-ucks!

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– elleand202 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I badly want to see Beto O'Rourke arrested on anything.

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