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posted 2 years ago by Wizard08 2 years ago by Wizard08 +39 / -0
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– Adamrises 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

transparent authoritarianism demonstrates just how fragile their hold on power really is.

A paranoid king stabbing at random shadows still has a castle and an army. Just because they are terrified and overreacting doesn't mean their power structure is actually within reach of any of us.

Perhaps a real monster of a leader could accomplish it, but Trump is not that. He isn't half as unhinged and willing to break the rules as they paint him.

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– dagthegnome 9 points 2 years ago +10 / -1

He's better than nothing. The elite theorists are right about one thing: without maverick elites like Trump on our side, we have no chance at all. There has never been a successful grassroots revolution with no elite support: not once in all of recorded history.

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– Adamrises 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

He is better than nothing, I don't disagree. I voted for him after all.

But let's not take their ridiculous reactions as indicative of them being actually vulnerable. They might think they are, and are acting on that paranoia, but that's par for the course of being an elite to begin with. Irrational reactions to minor irrelevant threats.

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– Ooxo5eu5 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The Haitian revolution was a grassroots revolution, started by slaves without any elite support.

They had unusually terrible lives, even for slaves, so nothing to loose. They had a separate culture, religion, language, race which made them completely isolated from the elite group. They also were in the majority by a massive margin.

The revolution spread like a fire. It started at one plantation, news of success got out, the next plantation revolted, and the next, and the next, and so on. After a while, the slaves had congregated to marauding armies that roamed through the land and absorbed supplies and new fighters wherever they went.

The revolution was initially successful, and a moderate government formed. Slavery was a abolished and the government was headed by a black man, but the plantation economy remained in place and the elite remained predominantly white. So it has actually happened once in recorded history.

A counterrevolutionary army was dispatched from France and reconquered the capital. They were soon defeated by a more extreme rebel group, which then committed a terrible genocide. That government was... not a success, to put it mildly.

I don't see how that situation is in the slightest bit similar to modern America. Live needs to be really fucking bad until a grassroots revolt can actually happen.

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– dagthegnome 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The Haitian revolutionaries received logistical, financial and military support from the British and the Spanish, who hoped to use it to undermine French interests and power in the Caribbean, and it worked. They likely wouldn't have been successful without that support.

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