Just like with various remakes because most modern games companies have none of the creativity yet all of the activism going.
KOTOR remake may now be dead in the water, which personally I don't consider a bad development [or now lack of one to shitpost a bit], but the sheer volume of comments both complaining the development pause is a bad thing and worse that KOTOR wasn't ever good in the first place therefore "needs" reimagined [into woke nonsense] makes me lose all interest in the modern games industry outside of fringe outliers.
Normies want to repeatedly order shit that's also absurdly overpriced they can can have it.
That's the thing. They already have normie bux! They don't need to chase that. FFS, GTA V has been constantly in the top 10 charts for years. That game still sells. They don't need to chase trends for normie bux when they're already raking it in.
Example number 645,432 of not understanding who your market is. Yes in the past you’ve had great female characters like in Tomb Raider but forgive me if I question the motives of a female protagonist now
My money is on an all online mode, it’s the only smart play for profit. Frankly if they redid vice in an all online format they would be printing money
If they slowly expanded to newer cities and places, and had Vice City and New York as part of it, then it would be a no brainer purchase. Then they make an offline version that has the missions, but also stuff like territory wars.
This from a third party reported by Bloomberg, so their credibility isn't that high, I'd like an official source before declaring never going to buy it.
They said they removed "transphobic jokes" from GTA V, what jokes? I never remember any jokes and I played it day 1.
The current situation at Rockstar, GTAO is their cash cow and they screwed up RDRO due to mismanagement despite a high amount of players thanks to the single player. They must be aware if they screw up the single player they risk having less players for online where the REAL money is made.
So it feels like a classic rumor story made for clicks, can't be verified by anyone but Rockstar which if they do, THAT becomes the story.
They said they removed "transphobic jokes" from GTA V, what jokes? I never remember any jokes and I played it day 1.
The thing about GTA V is that it's so big that it's easy to miss that something was there in the first place, let alone that they removed it for political correctness.
This is actually true, or at least it is in the sense that they removed what people accused of being "transphobic jokes". Specifically, they got rid of an action figure model as well as "drag queen"/"transvestite" NPCs.
The only good thing about this situation is that they've said nothing. No virtue signalling, no acknowledging the changes to journos, no apologies; they just made the changes.
They must be aware if they screw up the single player they risk having less players for online where the REAL money is made.
If they actually are converged, then the threat of losing money probably isn't enough to make them change course now. Just look at Netflix.
That's the thing, we don't think they are transphobic jokes, but some woke "ethics department" type at Rockstar or Take2 probably did and demanded it's removal.
They actually removed some though. You can't see them because they're removed.
The company got eviscerated in 2018, and the people who did GTA1-5 aren't there anymore. It's a bunch of blue haired idiots now, like Blizzard and Ubisoft.
I don't get why this thread is infested with people who suddenly like woke shit and deny that wokeness is infesting games.
It's more of a conflicting narrative that's happening right now. On the one hand we have the long march by the far left through all institutions.
On the other, the pendulum finally beginning to swing back with lots of companies either shutting up, firing or just being sold off after losing it all. It's really hard to tell how much Rockstar is infected by this as for all we know there could be a Latina character in GTA 6 but have a scene where she beats the crap out of a white hipster trying to say Lantinx instead of Latina.
It's really hard to tell how much Rockstar is infected by this as for all we know there could be a Latina character in GTA 6 but have a scene where she beats the crap out of a white hipster trying to say Lantinx instead of Latina.
Which is why I don't get people mad that there's a female in GTA. That's not the issue at all, heck most guys I know play Females in video games because it's easier on the eyes in 3rd person.
The issue is when they say they want to not "punch down" and tone down the humour and crass. That's what made 1-5 good. The female protagonist everyone is raging about is bait, don't fall for it.
Rockstar is a shell of itself, the company did away with its "Frat boy culture".
Like I said in another thread. If there's one thing the most successful entertainment product of all-time needs, it's to radically change itself in order to appeal to a broader market.
It's funny how no one wants to diversify or "update" stuff that has failed. Diversity and inclusion and feminism are these magical "cure all" solutions, but they are only ever administered to already-successful creations.
? It’s GTA! The whole series made a name for itself based on controversy. This would be like Neverealm Studios taking Fatalities out of Mortal Kombat to avoid controversy. It would be oxymoronic.
That’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see how it pays off for them!
Now is a fun time to recall that I worked with the man who invited Anita Sarkeesian to visit Rockstar HQ, at Blizzard. He was a literal cuck who got fired from Blizzard for sexual harassment.
About a year ago there was a leak that the main character would be a trans woman. Depending on how fucked Rockstar is, this may still be the case. If they're of the 'trans women are women' mindset, this could still be the case and we are being eased into it.
The problem is every game company saw what happened to Activision. If Microsoft didn't buy it for the Call of Duty name, they'd have been paying out lawsuits to random women until the day of bankruptcy.
They don't have the ability to tell women no. Rockstar North is based in the UK, don't forget. The only place more fucked than CA when it comes to women's control over everything.
That strategy obviously didn't work. Not to mention buying the same product multiple times could be said to encourage stagnation, which Rockstar has definitely been going through, seeing how they haven't even made a new GTA game for close on to ten years now and are porting V to everything.
Problem is 3 of your 4 purchases are peasantry which always produces substandard material by the time of launch, has diminished options for player based longevity projects relating to mods that often keep a game going far beyond the actual Devs have stopped working on it thereby providing actual free advertisement and support, and almost always needs to dumb down input methods because said input is limited to a controller rather than having an entire keyboard to play with.
While there is nothing wrong with a female protagonist despite regressive leftist conspiracy theories claiming the contrary, I suspect this is going to be used as one of the many excuses to blame the game's failure on the fact intersectionalism does not have enough influence in the gaming community.
I could literally create a game with a tranny protagonist as long as I put in political messaging warning against transition.
It's the part where they're going out of their way to make sure they're not punching down that gets me. It's GTA, it literally takes aim at everyone! And based on the sales numbers, I don't think people really care that it "punches down" because I think most people see it punches everyone with its satire. That's the fun of it. It punches everyone square in the face.
I’m not against the idea of a female lead character….in other games. It wont work for GTA though.
Now a read dead type game, with a sad, emotional story, based in reality. I could see myself caring about a female lead. If done carefully a story around someone like Sadie could work. I’m not sure exactly how, and there’s more ways to mess it up than get it right. But it’s possible.
But gta no. Those games you are alpha ultra masculine 24/7 doing crazy superhero death defying everything for every mission. And it will just be cringe every scene the female lead gets one over on any man.
A female side character or villain who does some of those things works in small doses in specific scenarios. Not as a lead character.
I don't think it would work well in Red Dead either, at least not the traditional outlaw type of lead character. No one would take a female outlaw seriously during those times.
I don’t think I explained myself well enough. When I was comparing it to red dead, I was speaking purely from a story aspect (sad, widow wife, etc). Not the shooter/gameplay elements. So let me rephrase by removing the red dead comparison and simply say “sad emotional grounded down to earth story” maybe in the game she doesn’t even fight or kill anyone but investigates a murder of her husband or something.
Because yes we 100% agree no female lead in a game where she is running around being masculine shooting people etc would be taken seriously.
The worst part is that this could end up being an objectively good game. I’ll hate it because they’re obviously going to retread that gta4 immigrant angle like it hasn’t already been beat to death, but if they put enough of that RDR2 shine on it then it could be pretty great in the eyes of most normies.
I don't mind a female protagonist if it fits. Femshep was great in Mass Effect 1 and 2. However, the fact that they feel the need to put it out there as a selling point of the game tells me that they're doing it for the wrong reasons, so it's gonna suck.
To people who defend this, I have a simple question.
When have men ever been shoehorned into women's interests? If you look at their interests, the only time men are involved are to be sex objects or to be objects of scorn/mockery.
It's colonization by a hostile entity. Stop invading our hobbies, our spaces and our lives and crying to us when trannies do it to you.
Ah, the MTG retort. If you don't blindly support women, you're a pedophile or a tranny fucker.
No, if you defend Trannies cracking women skull's and invading women's bathrooms, you're a tranny fucker.
No, fuck off. Just for once
No, you fuck off, tranny lover. You're a gay faggot.
It might make them think about what they do to us.
For the millionth time. A lot of us have happy lives with our very nice and loving wives. Just because you're a tranny faggot lover doesn't mean we all are.
So what are you if you defend women invading men's spaces? A hypocritical strap-on rider? I didn't hear people talking about defending the Scouts from women. I didn't hear about people defending sports coverage from women. I didn't hear about people defending the right to have spaces with no women in them.
No, no, personal space only matters when it's our fucking masters. Go to hell.
a lot of us are happy with our loving wives
Based off what metric? Male suicide has never been higher, marriage rates have never been lower.
Who is us? The general population doesn't fit as an answer.
What you mean is "I, out of touch 40+ year old guy who stopped dating over a decade ago, am happy with how women are (because I haven't interacted with one in years)."
I don't really care about the female protagonist part. I could give two shits about that. If they have a good story to tell then fine, so be it.
But I do wince at the "making sure not to punch down" bullshit. It's fucking GTA! It takes aim at everyone! Literally and figuratively. Either have the balls to mock everything or fuck off.
Yep, while everyone is raging at some nice ass to stare at while playing 3rd person, they're cleaning the game of redneck jokes, gay jokes, black jokes and no one is batting an eye.
RIP
Look what happened to saints row…
Woke black lesbians aren’t the target demographic?
Look how they massacred my boy..
kek...controversy is the business model that made Rockstar great RIP indeed
Gotta chase them normiebux.
Just like with various remakes because most modern games companies have none of the creativity yet all of the activism going.
KOTOR remake may now be dead in the water, which personally I don't consider a bad development [or now lack of one to shitpost a bit], but the sheer volume of comments both complaining the development pause is a bad thing and worse that KOTOR wasn't ever good in the first place therefore "needs" reimagined [into woke nonsense] makes me lose all interest in the modern games industry outside of fringe outliers.
Normies want to repeatedly order shit that's also absurdly overpriced they can can have it.
That's the thing. They already have normie bux! They don't need to chase that. FFS, GTA V has been constantly in the top 10 charts for years. That game still sells. They don't need to chase trends for normie bux when they're already raking it in.
Example number 645,432 of not understanding who your market is. Yes in the past you’ve had great female characters like in Tomb Raider but forgive me if I question the motives of a female protagonist now
Difference between a great character who happens to be female vs. a Female Great Character^(TM).
At least in Saints Row, you could make the woman hot.
This will be Manjaw City.
Controlling via a stronk gravity well shouldn't count.
My money is on an all online mode, it’s the only smart play for profit. Frankly if they redid vice in an all online format they would be printing money
If they slowly expanded to newer cities and places, and had Vice City and New York as part of it, then it would be a no brainer purchase. Then they make an offline version that has the missions, but also stuff like territory wars.
I could see gta mmo with gangs/guilds. There’s already solo play lobbies and private
TBH I would buy a Vice City MP-only remake just for the soundtrack.
But then there wouldn't be a protagonist. That would make this story false.
Not technically as your created character would be the mc
Yes, but that would make the "female protagonist" angle in the article ridiculous.
Your character in Online doesn't even speak.
There's 3 things that make me suspicious of this:
This from a third party reported by Bloomberg, so their credibility isn't that high, I'd like an official source before declaring never going to buy it.
They said they removed "transphobic jokes" from GTA V, what jokes? I never remember any jokes and I played it day 1.
The current situation at Rockstar, GTAO is their cash cow and they screwed up RDRO due to mismanagement despite a high amount of players thanks to the single player. They must be aware if they screw up the single player they risk having less players for online where the REAL money is made.
So it feels like a classic rumor story made for clicks, can't be verified by anyone but Rockstar which if they do, THAT becomes the story.
The thing about GTA V is that it's so big that it's easy to miss that something was there in the first place, let alone that they removed it for political correctness.
This is actually true, or at least it is in the sense that they removed what people accused of being "transphobic jokes". Specifically, they got rid of an action figure model as well as "drag queen"/"transvestite" NPCs.
They also removed the Confederate flag in many places even though the game presents the people flying them as hicks, even if the context of a direct reference to The Dukes of Hazzard. They also removed it in the horrible Trilogy remaster.
The only good thing about this situation is that they've said nothing. No virtue signalling, no acknowledging the changes to journos, no apologies; they just made the changes.
If they actually are converged, then the threat of losing money probably isn't enough to make them change course now. Just look at Netflix.
They did. They removed all 0 transphobic jokes.
Ah the classic "look how we removed all black stereotypes from macbeth".
Say you solved an issue that was never there to begin with
They actually removed some though. You can't see them because they're removed.
The company got eviscerated in 2018, and the people who did GTA1-5 aren't there anymore. It's a bunch of blue haired idiots now, like Blizzard and Ubisoft.
I don't get why this thread is infested with people who suddenly like woke shit and deny that wokeness is infesting games.
It's more of a conflicting narrative that's happening right now. On the one hand we have the long march by the far left through all institutions.
On the other, the pendulum finally beginning to swing back with lots of companies either shutting up, firing or just being sold off after losing it all. It's really hard to tell how much Rockstar is infected by this as for all we know there could be a Latina character in GTA 6 but have a scene where she beats the crap out of a white hipster trying to say Lantinx instead of Latina.
Which is why I don't get people mad that there's a female in GTA. That's not the issue at all, heck most guys I know play Females in video games because it's easier on the eyes in 3rd person.
The issue is when they say they want to not "punch down" and tone down the humour and crass. That's what made 1-5 good. The female protagonist everyone is raging about is bait, don't fall for it.
Rockstar is a shell of itself, the company did away with its "Frat boy culture".
Rumor: Hugs won't buy another Rockstar product.
Like I said in another thread. If there's one thing the most successful entertainment product of all-time needs, it's to radically change itself in order to appeal to a broader market. It's funny how no one wants to diversify or "update" stuff that has failed. Diversity and inclusion and feminism are these magical "cure all" solutions, but they are only ever administered to already-successful creations.
"the squarest jawline"
So... it's going to be a Tranny?
? It’s GTA! The whole series made a name for itself based on controversy. This would be like Neverealm Studios taking Fatalities out of Mortal Kombat to avoid controversy. It would be oxymoronic.
That’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see how it pays off for them!
Remember when they responded by adding the Friendship moves to MK2 just to mock them?
Now is a fun time to recall that I worked with the man who invited Anita Sarkeesian to visit Rockstar HQ, at Blizzard. He was a literal cuck who got fired from Blizzard for sexual harassment.
I already ‘noped’’ out of this the way the abandoned Red Dead Online.
About a year ago there was a leak that the main character would be a trans woman. Depending on how fucked Rockstar is, this may still be the case. If they're of the 'trans women are women' mindset, this could still be the case and we are being eased into it.
Now it makes sense why they're milking V to death. They had to make the next protagonist a woman and they know it'll bomb.
I bought V four times. I wouldn't buy this shit once.
why
Bought it on Xbox 360 when it first came out.
Moved to PC, didn't like the experience, full of modders.
Pre-ordered Xbox One edition, played it until the Series X Online-only release came out then bought that for the faster loading times.
Four times.
Unironically consuming product
Hey, Rockstar is a small indie start-up. They need all the support they can get.
If you want more of things you like, you have to support them.
“Fool me thrice...four times...and I’ll tell you how it was the fault of women worldwide”
But I didn't get fooled. I got what I paid for.
The problem is every game company saw what happened to Activision. If Microsoft didn't buy it for the Call of Duty name, they'd have been paying out lawsuits to random women until the day of bankruptcy.
They don't have the ability to tell women no. Rockstar North is based in the UK, don't forget. The only place more fucked than CA when it comes to women's control over everything.
That strategy obviously didn't work. Not to mention buying the same product multiple times could be said to encourage stagnation, which Rockstar has definitely been going through, seeing how they haven't even made a new GTA game for close on to ten years now and are porting V to everything.
Problem is 3 of your 4 purchases are peasantry which always produces substandard material by the time of launch, has diminished options for player based longevity projects relating to mods that often keep a game going far beyond the actual Devs have stopped working on it thereby providing actual free advertisement and support, and almost always needs to dumb down input methods because said input is limited to a controller rather than having an entire keyboard to play with.
That doesn't mean buying fucking skyrim 48 when you already have skyrims 1-47
The people behind GTA V probably left the company. The new people are probably diversity hires.
F
This is going to bomb hard.
While there is nothing wrong with a female protagonist despite regressive leftist conspiracy theories claiming the contrary, I suspect this is going to be used as one of the many excuses to blame the game's failure on the fact intersectionalism does not have enough influence in the gaming community.
I could literally create a game with a tranny protagonist as long as I put in political messaging warning against transition.
It's the part where they're going out of their way to make sure they're not punching down that gets me. It's GTA, it literally takes aim at everyone! And based on the sales numbers, I don't think people really care that it "punches down" because I think most people see it punches everyone with its satire. That's the fun of it. It punches everyone square in the face.
I’m not against the idea of a female lead character….in other games. It wont work for GTA though.
Now a read dead type game, with a sad, emotional story, based in reality. I could see myself caring about a female lead. If done carefully a story around someone like Sadie could work. I’m not sure exactly how, and there’s more ways to mess it up than get it right. But it’s possible.
But gta no. Those games you are alpha ultra masculine 24/7 doing crazy superhero death defying everything for every mission. And it will just be cringe every scene the female lead gets one over on any man.
A female side character or villain who does some of those things works in small doses in specific scenarios. Not as a lead character.
I don't think it would work well in Red Dead either, at least not the traditional outlaw type of lead character. No one would take a female outlaw seriously during those times.
I don’t think I explained myself well enough. When I was comparing it to red dead, I was speaking purely from a story aspect (sad, widow wife, etc). Not the shooter/gameplay elements. So let me rephrase by removing the red dead comparison and simply say “sad emotional grounded down to earth story” maybe in the game she doesn’t even fight or kill anyone but investigates a murder of her husband or something.
Because yes we 100% agree no female lead in a game where she is running around being masculine shooting people etc would be taken seriously.
I don't really care if it's a forced female perspective as long as she's written well. But rumors say they're going woke. Hard pass
The worst part is that this could end up being an objectively good game. I’ll hate it because they’re obviously going to retread that gta4 immigrant angle like it hasn’t already been beat to death, but if they put enough of that RDR2 shine on it then it could be pretty great in the eyes of most normies.
I don't mind a female protagonist if it fits. Femshep was great in Mass Effect 1 and 2. However, the fact that they feel the need to put it out there as a selling point of the game tells me that they're doing it for the wrong reasons, so it's gonna suck.
LMAO, you guys mad about tits and ass when y'all just play females every chance you get.
This is what actually risks making GTA 6 shit :
I couldn't give 2 shits about a female protagonists, I do give a shit if they make it super PC and sanitized.
To people who defend this, I have a simple question.
When have men ever been shoehorned into women's interests? If you look at their interests, the only time men are involved are to be sex objects or to be objects of scorn/mockery.
It's colonization by a hostile entity. Stop invading our hobbies, our spaces and our lives and crying to us when trannies do it to you.
They've been shoehorned into women's sport and bathrooms as of late. Not paying much attention ?
I don't pay attention to false narratives that cover up crimes against humanity, no.
Besides, women's sports shouldn't even exist, they're a malignant tumor on real sports that produces nothing but rich, angry lesbians.
So you support Trans. Got it.
Ah, the MTG retort. If you don't blindly support women, you're a pedophile or a tranny fucker.
No, fuck off. Just for once, let them be exposed to their own tactics. It might make them think about what they do to us.
No, if you defend Trannies cracking women skull's and invading women's bathrooms, you're a tranny fucker.
No, you fuck off, tranny lover. You're a gay faggot.
For the millionth time. A lot of us have happy lives with our very nice and loving wives. Just because you're a tranny faggot lover doesn't mean we all are.
So what are you if you defend women invading men's spaces? A hypocritical strap-on rider? I didn't hear people talking about defending the Scouts from women. I didn't hear about people defending sports coverage from women. I didn't hear about people defending the right to have spaces with no women in them.
No, no, personal space only matters when it's our fucking masters. Go to hell.
Based off what metric? Male suicide has never been higher, marriage rates have never been lower.
Who is us? The general population doesn't fit as an answer.
What you mean is "I, out of touch 40+ year old guy who stopped dating over a decade ago, am happy with how women are (because I haven't interacted with one in years)."
You take that back about Martina Hingis.
I don't know who that is.
I don't really care about the female protagonist part. I could give two shits about that. If they have a good story to tell then fine, so be it.
But I do wince at the "making sure not to punch down" bullshit. It's fucking GTA! It takes aim at everyone! Literally and figuratively. Either have the balls to mock everything or fuck off.
Yep, while everyone is raging at some nice ass to stare at while playing 3rd person, they're cleaning the game of redneck jokes, gay jokes, black jokes and no one is batting an eye.
Talk about dying on the wrong hill.
There's nothing nice about troons.
It's not a troon protagonist, it's a female protagonist.
I know you tranny lovers can't help but think there's no such thing as actual women, but there are. And they're usually nice to look at.