I am not an American, so don't have a clear picture of how the situation is over there (does sound bad), or how likely it actually is for something like a Civil War to break out, but I am hearing about it a lot from all sorts of people.
On the other hand, nothing of the sort seems to be happening, even though the US is supposedly being destroyed, stolen elections, inflation, tensions everywhere, left and right seemingly incapable of coexisting anymore, immigrant invasion, LGBT shit everywhere, people's kids groomed everywhere, and so on.
If all this is not enough, then what will it take? How would it happen? Who would fight with whom?
Based on the fact that nothing has happened so far with all of the above, and more, it sounds like nothing will ever happen.
My opinion is that a Civil War is very unlikely. People are still way to comfortable and there is always the option to move to a red state. As long there are options and life is comfortable there isn't going to be a Civil War
I would say imminent civil war was very unlikely, except for how frequently I hear it talked about from both sides.
There's something about the average member of the public that just seems like if they're told to do something often enough, no matter how stupid and self-destructive, they can't help but join in.
The biggest non-starter is "do a civil war" isn't very clear instruction for your average numbnuts, and the ones musing on specific actions, like say assassinating a SCJ, haven't been quite loud and long enough to reach the right number of idiots yet.
At the moment, it's looking unlikely
However
If the DNC guys maintain their capture of the Federal government and use it to dictate terms the states - even the solid red ones - are unable to avoid - then they'd have to at least consider secession, if they're part of a Federal system that actively seeks their elimination, wouldn't they?
We're already in a civil war. One side has effectively censored the other side, stolen the election, started indoctrinating the other side's children, has control over every mainstream platform, yes.
What isn't mentioned is that this offensive side has also indefinitely detained people for having the wrong beliefs. They've rewritten our history. They've literally shot people on the street for being Trump supporters. Their thugs freely walk streets in some parts of the country where even the police let them drag the elderly out of cars and beat them for not toeing the line.
Their 'elected' president has manufactured a global energy crisis. Moreover, this has evolved into a looming food crisis as farmers can no longer produce food at the rates they used to, if at all.
And it's all because the 'other side' won't lift a finger to stop this. Any protests that do occur are infiltrated and subverted by the FBI because we're too pussy to pack guns to save ourselves.
We should've gone all in on January 6th with guns, and I honestly thought that was going to happen. Instead we had a bunch of people walk in and peacefully have a fucking museum tour like that was going to save our country. Then our subverter-in-chief told us all to go home peacefully or else we'd be Ashli Babbitt'd. January 6th was our best chance at saving the US, and every passing day that likelihood gets worse, but hey. 'Atleast the libs are getting owned' or something.
Too many still think elections are valid. All they did this time was adjust the results in the open, because it doesn't matter what the disgruntled-but-passive demographics think.
100%
The powder is already there. The only real question now is what the match will end up being.
The civil war is already on, it just isn't going hot yet because both sides have an awful lot to lose. In the wake of the 2020 election you had a three star general telling Trump to overturn the constitution and hold a second election under military control.
I'm pretty certain that would have sent things hot.
This may go on in its current state for another 20 years or more. Ultimately I think one way or another, the US breaks into at least two, possibly more states before the end of the century.
Ideally, the US nukes China before that happens.
A proper Civil War, as in Dallas ends up looking like Aleppo?
Zero chance. Literally none. You would get "International Peacekeeping Forces" to occupy parts of the US to protect foreign strategic interests (including the Texas oil refineries) long before that even happened.
In fact, a Civil War would benefit the Left in this country, so the only reason we'd have one is if they could fucking cause one, which hopefully the political right in this country isn't retarded enough to give them. That means all of your retards arguing for secession, partition, and violence.
In reality, the Fabian Socialist Order is in absolute fucking disarray, and the economy is fucking dying. There are populist movements in every country, and populist leaders are winning when they aren't being either forced out or "fortified" from victory. Infinite money printing is needed to keep the world financial system going because it's on the verge of collapse. The real estate market is dying, and that includes China's real estate market as well. The entire Fabian Order doesn't have even 10 years. They need a digital currency, because it will give them the ability to directly manage the economy and reliably inflate the currency to their hearts content. However, the perennial gale of creative destruction will not be denied.
As I've said before, if you had gone up to anyone in the US in 1984 and asked them how many years the USSR had left, they'd tell you a minimum of 30, many would say 50, 80, or another hundred. No one, not one person. Not the director of the CIA George HW Bush, the ambassador to the USSR, Ronald Reagan, Gorbechev, or even fucking KGB Agent Vladimir Putin would have told you "Five years". Anyone who did would have been laughed out of the room. The idea that communism would be effectively dead internationally within 7 years would have been called a "John Birch Society pipe dream" and the Birchers would have told you it.
That is where we are. The power bubble has expanded beyond all of it's normal boundaries, and each social justice racket perpetually proves itself to be bloated and inefficient. A correction must come. There isn't an option for it not to.
What we will see is that the right will continue to gain ground locally, and attempts at subversion will be made, but for the most part, we're just going to get open defiance. As populists score victories, the Left will engage in political violence in order to promote right-wing political violence to sway public support against them, but the situation will get so lopsided that you'll eventually have a situation where police end up gunning down unarmed protesters en masse, and having that rationalized by the mainstream media. This is all probably take place in the middle of our economic crisis.
I've said it before, the right has to learn how to take casualties, and then keep pushing forwards.
When one of these big mass casualty events takes place, the government's going to be entirely undermined, and you are going to watch populists seize power of an effectively abandoned Washington DC as every single rat leaves the ship all at once with every single penny they can steal on their way out: Qusay Hussein style](https://www.military.com/off-duty/2021/08/11/story-behind-saddam-husseins-massive-1-billion-bank-robbery.html)
The bad news is: you're never getting any of that money back, and you'll still have to liberate Europe.
The good news is that The Great Collapse will be a blessing in disguise. Not only are a lot of the internationalist Leftists going to voluntarily leave (with your pension fund), but so is every other "chancer". Most immigrants that are here for money, they are going to pack-up and leave as well. With populists in power, we should be able to separate ourselves from the remaining currency collapse and get back to work re-building western civilization on top of it's own ruins.
If the left benefits from civil war, YOU FUCKED UP AND DIDN'T TARGET THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
The Left benefits from any violence. That's part of the point. Every target is irrelevant.
Bullshit. The EU can't even afford to keep their heaters on this winter. Half their citizens are revolting for one reason or another. Having them send their troops over here would just hasten their demise.
The only reason things are as they are now is because people are too afraid of doing anything and buy into our own government's propaganda.
It's an unlikely scenario for something that I still don't see happening.
Thanks.
Well, that's a hopeful outlook. I hope you're correct.
What was the chance Sri Lanka would collapse in 12 months?
There's a wide number of events at the national level that could spur states to defy the federal government and head towards secession. Though its probably more likely for red states to secede than blue ones. There is no national unity, so any attempt by the fedgov to push either left or right is going to risk encouraging half the country to throw in the towel.
However, it's a debatable whether that results in violence or not. We haven't experience warfare in the USA for a very long time, and the policing powers are very effective at neutralizing the kinds of groups that might engage in covert violence. I think you would need serious widespread economic collapse / famine to ignite a hot civil war.
The way things are going it's looking more and more likely, although I'm more curious as to what the trigger will be for it.
I just hope it's delayed long enough for me to make enough money to get out of this blue shithole and move to a red state with better gun laws so I can actually own something to defend myself with that isn't crippled by magazine limits, etc. when the shit hits the fan.
I think that an actual hot civil war is unlikely in the short term. Americans have this notion of a ruggedly individualistic colonist picking up his trusty musket and standing up against the oppressive British Crown but that’s mostly just propaganda. In reality, what kicked off the American Revolution was that a majority of the elites in the colonies supported the war and the colonies had the aid and support of the French government to win independence. Only about a third of the population supported independence. Similarly, with the civil war, a majority of the state governments in the South supported independence and the secession movement used that support to create the CSA government and wage war against the federal government.
The reason that I don’t see a hot civil war (as opposed to the cold civil war that we’re in the midst of) is that a majority of state governments haven’t come around to supporting secession. Furthermore, actual success requires support from at least one foreign major power and the only viable option is China, and I really do not see red states cozying up to the PRC. Only the UK, FR, RU, and CN are capable of force projection and RU is too weak after it’s disastrous performance in Ukraine. The UK and France have been captured by the same forces of neoliberal globalism that have captured the US federal government and would most likely fight for the feds than against it. And that leaves China, and red states are ideologically and economically opposed to China so that would make no sense.
Where are you hearing that Russia is having a disastrous performance in Ukraine?
The odds are increasing, but I would say they are still low for now.
The election stuff is a little too abstract, and people are waiting to see what happens in the next one (is my vote going to matter?). Inflation is a huge problem, but I also notice that people are still spending, so it’s not enough yet to lead to major discontent. Most likely it will have an effect on the midterm elections.
The latter stuff is true, but here’s the real issue: America is already divided into liberal and conservative spheres. I, for example, don’t see any of this LGBT crap where I live. This is what is preventing war and why you see people only beginning to talk about it.
The reality right now is that there is a huge migration happening. People are fleeing liberal areas and heading into conservative ones. That’s my experience. There is a consolidation occurring. You won’t see a civil war unless one of the following happens: there is an encroachment on conservative territory, living standards decline precipitously, or people feel that they no longer have representation.
The last one almost happened, but people are working on fixing it and seeing if that fix takes effect or not. The others aren’t here yet.
In my opinion? The chances are higher than they've been since the last one. But that's very different than saying "it's totally gonna happen guys."
So, I don't know exact chances, or if it will happen, or when...but it's worrying that the chances are as comparatively high as they are. Anyone who acts like it's impossible that it could happen are more retarded than the CIVIL WAR NOW folks.
Extremely low for the forseeable future
Civil Wars are usually a result of a divided elite competing against each other. Our elites are actually pretty unified. The animosity among them is about petty personal things and managerial disputes. It's nothing like the Civil War period in the US where there were industrialists vs. plantation owners. Today's elites end up unified via financialization.
Low until the corn syrup and Netflix go away.
Its currently a cold cultural civil war that occasionally goes hot with race riots. So far the most violent the right has gotten is taken an unscheduled tour of a federal building, while the left regularly destroys entire cities. However, the cities are also normally full of leftists, meaning its basically just a leftist civil war.
A proper civil war? I'll say at least not in my lifetime. The war in politics and media we have now will be going on for a long time though.
A lot of people bothered by the woke mobs take steps to avoid it--moving somewhere, homeschooling, etc. Most of these aren't going to join a violent war until it's brought to their doorstep. Granted, the first Civil War was like this too. They talk like all the white guys in the South were excited to join up and fight for how much they loved slavery. The reality is in a lot of cases it was necessity because the war just got too close to home. If I'm going to fight to protect my family I'm joining the side that is not trying to attack it. Simple as that.
Our trajectory will continue to go left otherwise. It's deep in the schools and 10 or 20 years for these kids to be adult age isn't really all that long.
They are enabling lawlessness so good men take matters into their own hands. And that's when they come after the 'gun toting white supremacists'. That's why we see all the anti-white, anti-Patriot gaslighting. To normalize people for when the federalized police and military start hauling neighbors off.
Biden makes no decisions. The NWO is in full control. Taking white males away is being normalized. It's that simple.
The country is done and the systemic arrest and removal of patriotic gun owners will happen(8-10 years), with your neighbor cheering them on as they haul off the white supremacist.
Your texts, your emails, your websites visited, your comments on forums, your articles/posts viewed. Your car license plate at every camera intersection you went through. Your face photographed a 1,000 times over.
All in a cross-referenced database. Amazon Cloud.
They have all the data they need, and when they are ready to clear Sector Z-13759 where you live, they will push a button on a computer and it will produce a list and you will be on it, with your current location highlighted.
Spoiler Alert, Clever Dick: They have your number, no matter how clever you think you are, and this ain't 1861.
Civil war is impossible without first seeing some serious attempts at crimping the fed at the state level via nullification. A good start that even dummies could get on board with would be the wholesale rejection of DEA drug scheduling and the adoption of separate state drug policies that reflect the desires of the people in those states. A serious anti-war movement based on "America first" principles would help.
DeSantis in FL appears to be the prototype of a Governor with the balls to buck the fed, considering his policies rejecting the dictats of the coof cabal. NH is actively recruiting migrants with liberty-friendly policies. Once the rest of the states align one way or the other--for separation or for union like the last time--then we'll see how necessary armed conflict might be.
I think a hot war will be less likely after state retrenchment and the finalization of political migration from blue to red states.
Before then, I hope to see a few major skirmishes between antifa/blm and whatever groups emerge from the right with the balls to take it to the enemy instead of constantly reacting after the fact. The problem here is that the corporate press and the federal government are aligned against the right, so any street fighting or paramilitary action will favor the bad guys.
Using the techniques in The Doomsday Calculation, there's a 50% chance of a Civil War between 2074 and 2493.
Nothing. There is nothing that will set the sheep to attacking the other sheep, even when they are wolves in cotton blankets.
Unless there's some kind of major dramatic change in the situation, people will just continue bitching but doing nothing.
Civil war would have been on the menu if Joe Manchin allowed the Democrats to nuke the filibuster and start ramming through all the shit they want to do to make it impossible for Republicans to take back power, such as amnesty for illegal, statehood for PR and DC, and ramming through their federal election law changes designed to disadvantage republican voters. On top of that they'd push their whole destructive agenda that would piss everyone off.
Under those circumstances, locked out of fair elections and facing the Democrat utter destruction of the country, the Republicans would have likely initiated nonviolent resistance aimed at disrupting the ability of Democrats to do things. The Democrats would have likely responded with mass arrests, making martyrs of the Republicans, and escalating to private citizen protestors also getting disruptive. Again, more mass arrests and political persecution. Eventually, the Democrat side would start shooting, like with Ashli Babbit, and then the Right would arm up and begin to organize for actual combat. The media would go nuts, and everyone would start to take sides and do battle. There's your civil war.
Now that there is a big voter backlash to what little the Democrats were able to do in their 2 years of power (basically just wasting money and driving up inflation), and since we are getting a red wave this November, and then again in 2024, it seems pretty clear that the crisis was averted and things will start to get sorted out through the normal corrective systems.
We'll see how the Dems do with their calls for a "stack the court" bill
It's only a crisis if the Dems are outnumbered. If they outnumber, then "that's democracy for ya"!
Democrats only like Democracy when they're winning. As soon as they start losing, they go full Alinsky with "direct action" communist tactics designed to disrupt democratic institutions.
Zero, there aren't enough college idiots for the women that make up the majority of the left to hide behind.
Imp is back!
Somewhat made you banned this time?
I implied that a not-insignificant number of women are pedophiles.
Truth hurts
A civil war will likely start in the US with several states and districts leaving to form a new union, which will likely piss off the federal government to the point of trying to stop it.
IRA style terrorism is more likely the maximum possible extent in Canada due to the fact there may not be enough dissidents for a full scale civil war.
It is almost inevitable, on the current trajectory, that the United States will divide and break up on Red/Blue lines. The problem is that the Blues only get the Northeast and the West Coast (and border area with Mexico) and the Reds get everything else.
If this does not happen, it will be because the mainstream Democrats finally break cause with the wokes and knife them in the back as a political liability. 99% of the irreconcilable problems in this country are coming from the 5-10% of the population (the wokes) that represents the most extreme Left, who are being held up and used as a battering ram by ~25%-35% additional mainstream libs. This unholy alliance is causing all the problems. So once the Democrats start losing elections, they will have to either decide to stick with Democracy and knife the wokes, or to try to overthrow Democracy in which case you will end up with a national divorce.
And Chicago, Detroit, quite a bit of Wisconsin. Nearly all of Minnesota. Not sure about Indiana or Ohio
There will be a Great Migration from Blue to Red states. It's only just starting.
I'll be happy to see more than half of them leave. But if you let them in, your states will turn purple at the very least. And that's without the weather and physical environment. A purple/blue state with hellish conditions is the worst of all worlds.
They won't get blue islands surrounded by red states. Those states will simply be forced into minority status in the red state majority nation. Any libs who don't like it, can emigrate.
The only solidly blue areas are: NE coast - Maine down to Washington DC. & the whole West Coast. States like VA and PA and NY would fracture, since the large majority of the western parts of those states are conservative.
The problem with liberals is that the real estate footprint they occupy in the country is very very small since they overwhelmingly concentrate in big cities. In any national divorce, none of those rural areas will consent to libtard governance, and they will have a right wing army backing their secession.
Maine and New Hampshire will have to expel the NPCs to survive, meaning there may well be red areas there.
Yeah it's been a cold civil war since at least the 70's and I would say it has been significantly warming up since 2008 or so. If it ever gets actually considered "hot" is up to circumstance.
The best way to wage war on people is if they don't even know a war is happening. The more people realize what's going on and fight back in meaningful ways it would force the conflict to be more visible.
This is true. Most wars look nothing like the wars we imagine. The vast majority of the people just get on with their lives while the battle happens next door. The US Civil and Revolutionary wars were like this. Even the soldiers in the war would leave and do something else. Crops still needed to be planted and livestock taken care of.
In our modern times, it's the same. The vast majority of Baghdad went to work and dealt with life while the mafia and revolutionaries fought each other. The average US soldier spent more time on base playing videogames than actually patrolling the area. It actually got so boring on base patrolling sounded like fun.
If there is a war, the vast majority of us will still be complaining on the internet while trying to attack cyberdogs in DC.
Since it's two-sided, I think it'll be more like the Brownshirts and Commies mixing it up in Munich (only more widespread, of course) ca 1920. Most people will buzz along unaffected, while the opposing armies trash the downtown areas.
With the increase in false-flag operations, it’s not even a Cold War anymore.