Jordan Peterson is calling for compromise
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Unfortunately we know that the progressive side will never compromise. If you give them anything it will never be enough. We just wanted to be left alone and enjoy our hobbies, but they had to infect it and obsessively grab for power like everything else.
If your enemy will not compromise, and will lie and slander you at every opportunity, you cannot give any ground. Especially not when something is true like the stolen US election. Trump may have to be "given up" simply for the fact that he was not able to do anything about it though.
When they say "compromise" they want you to think of a give and take kinda deal, even if that doesn't really make any sense when you think about it.
The important thing to keep in mind is what they really mean by "compromise". To give an example, it's like saying "the plane's ability to fly was compromised when its wings broke off". Because much like that hypothetical airplane, their version of compromise will eventually destroy anything that lets them in.
Time and time again, the left has shown that even if individuals know how to compromise - normally when the ideology rams up against something they personally are unable to give up - the ideology simply unpersons that activists and carries on, if anything more shrill than before.
Put simply, as a cult-like phenomena, I'm not sure the SocJus left is capable of giving up anything, much less wants to - particularly not foundational elements of their little cult like the equity talk.
Exactly.
Giving up on your most sacred beliefs can't be part of a compromise. The proposition makes no sense.
With this Peterson assumes that leftism is good, rational, practical - except these silly fringe things that they can get rid of, and then we can get along.
But the things that are wrong with leftism are at the heart of it. No I'm not talking about calls for more empathy, equality, or solidarity. Look beyond the surface, before the rhetoric, at the motivational levels, at the points of origins. Look at the code the NPCs are running on.
They are not going to compromise with their core assumptions. They're not going to give up on blank slate theory, or consequentialism, or their absolute relativism, or stop reducing everything into foucauldian power struggles.
This is not about what they say they want. No one anywhere is against empathy. It's about what they actually want, which is power.
I'm not against leftism because I can't accept a welfare state. That's a compromise I would be willing to make. There are many functioning social democracies. But social democracies aren't built on postmodern ideas, they don't strive for equity, they don't try to redistribute power at all costs, or sacrifice their futures with hopeless attempts at rectifying their pasts, they aren't socialist, or globalist.
They're generally open, free market economies rooted in national traditions with a moderate amount of regulation - often less than the US. Ideologically they're not majority leftists, they're traditionalists and christians with a welfare state. They're fairly rational, and while I can dissagree with them on many points or believe it's a system that only really works in smaller and more homogenous populations, I don't think they're outright insane.
I'm aginst leftism after realizing that leftists have impossible goals and that they are willing to go to any lenght, no matter how authoritarian and dystopan, to try to achieve them - and since the goals are impossible there is no chance of them stopping before they've created hell on earth, as they've done each and every time before. I'm against it because unchecked liberalism promotes social climbers, sociopaths, bullies, grifters, charlatans, and worse over everyone else.
Leftism is a brain virus that makes the infected angry, miserable, hateful, sadistic, irrational, and turns them into slaves who will say or do anything to further the virus' agenda. How do you compromise with that? You can't.
Leftism is evil.
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no homo, but i love you for pointing out that social democracy is to the right of national-socialism.
i enjoy asking ppl who gasp at me calling hitler a leftie to provide me with a superlative to call it next to the 'right-extremist' nazis.
Lol, “liberalism” strikes again.
I'll take that compromise. Them first. After ten years of no DIE/CRT, I'll drop the stolen election narrative. After twenty, I'll stop supporting Trump 45.
No compromise.
So he's saying that we live in a dictatorship, and should just accept it in the name of peace? This guy knows what the communists did last century, and rather than go to war against that, he's like "just accept it goy". There is no outcome that is worse than full global communism.
What can you do? Look at the previous work done. The only explanation, is that spiritually we're running on fumes, and desperately are in need of gaining/regaining our faith in Jesus Christ.
Our spiritual state (relationship to God), is tied to our morale, and ultimately success.
He really is the most retarded genius in the room sometimes.
All this reading he did about the horrors of the 20th century and he doesn't realize the some people are truly evil and can't be reasoned with. They can only be contained or destroyed.
Any compromise is just an opportunity for them to fortify their positions and sharpen their knives. Any overture is seen as weakness and an opportunity to strike.
There is no meeting in the middle with people who will try to get you fired if you say a man can't turn into a woman. They only understand force. They use social and economic violence now, and with increasing frequently physical violence because they can get away with it to hurt their perceived enemies.
You don't win by defense, in fact defense that isn't in service toward preserving resources for a future attack is a waste. You ensure safety by making your enemy unwilling, or unable to attack you.
lol, "the most retarded genius in the room". I'll never get why guys this smart and who seem to be on the up and up, almost, just, aren't. I mean, he knows about IQ but has never said much in the way about race and IQ. Maybe that's because he knows he's already on the list and that's too far, or maybe he's oblivious. It can be maddening.
he is not smart, he is well read.
to quickly come up with a comparison. it's like atlas shrugged being a very enjoyable read but the author is a fucking retard.
she just put the words of better men into the mouths of her protagonists. he just reigurates wisdom of men beyond his comprehension.
I guess it's intelligence vs. wisdom. I think he would do well on an IQ test. I agree though that his stuff isn't new, the work of others, but re-introducing it to a new generation that needs it has value. His weird diet makes me think he might be uh, a bit loony though. One of the potential dangers of higher IQ. Ayn Rand seemed quite smart too, but again, don't know how wise, or how much she her own rules. I know there some sort of affair shenanigans. I've always meant to read Atlas but rarely have come upon someone who found it enjoyable. I just like some of her philosophy so thought I should give it a try sometime.
i read his rules for life thingie, i have no problems with that, wish i had read it as a child.
but thats it. he is a good influence for teenagers with that. but nothing beyond. with i guess should be the goal of that book.
Leftism and it's origin of slave morality (as per Nietzsche), is evil. Not that it's predecessor, master morality, was superior, but humanity must overcome both.
As of now, we have not.
Yep, there's nothing misguided about what they're doing. It's all blatantly deliberate.
I don't care if the man loading my family onto a boxcar is evil or simply misguided. Our survival depends on my ability to kill him before we are forced to board the train either way.
No, it's your ability to throw commies out of your property.
I don't give a fuck if some commietopia elsewhere decides to kill themselves off. Good luck for your utopia, I say.
Lol, I wasn't expecting this, I thought Peterson was smarter than this. The Woke cult doesn't want to compromise, it wants to win!!! And it is wining.
He's a Canadian classical liberal, and classical liberalism is 19th century ideology in which mediation was highly important. Unfortunately, like all classical liberals and conservatives in the 20th century, he fails to understand that socialism (and its tag alongs) cannot be reasoned with.
The public can be, and are being, won over. However, all the public will in the world (whilst useful) doesn't matter if you don't get the leavers of powers and use them to bring the hammer down on the left and their mad dream. The end justifies the means for them, and under no circumstances can we allow them to reach that end.
You hit the nail on the head.
The Lolbertarians and Cuckservatives really annoy the piss out of me with their "let the chips fall in place" mentality instead of realizing that the broader scope of the Left's plan is far more insidious than what it appears.
The Right also refuses to acknowledge the broader zeitgeist of the Left's control (i.e., of media, politics, academia, and even entertainment). They keep trying to reduce the influence to segmented aspects of culture-creep that -- as you mentioned -- they can just meme or "gotcha!" away, or political influence that they can alter at the next primaries or mid-terms, rather than recognizing that it's ALL one big behemoth moving in unison towards its intended goal.
This is it. It's like how you have some who still think apologizing when you anger the mob does anything except dig you a deeper grave. They can't even see the rules changed.
He fails to understand that the postmodernism underpinning the CRT and DIE ideology he understands are untenable is a weapon specifically designed to tear the foundations out from under the classical liberalism he - and I - prefer.
Classical liberalism was defeated and replaced by socialism. Sometimes literally, if you count the Bolsheviks and their concentration camps for anarchists and other dissenters.
Of course, FDR also had concentration camps in the US.
Given Kavanaugh's voting habits, I'm not so certain his resignation would have been a bad thing.
I'm still waiting on my "Chief Justice Clarence Thomas and eight Clarence Thomas clones" SCOTUS.
Or maybe Robo-Scalia?
Scalia was less willing to limit the scope of government than Thomas is. While I thought he was a good justice to have on the court, he wasn't completely in line with my views (or the Constitution, as I understand it) at times.
What track record does he have successfully fighting the left that would lead you to expect better?
For the moment put aside all talk of him being controlled opposition, a gatekeeper to keep people from going further right, and focus on the things we definitely do know about him. He's an academic who has spent his professional career teaching at universities. What track record do his strategies have in the universities he's been a part of? Has he been able to stem the tide there? Or do they march ever further left as he at best acts as the occasional speed bump?
All these people from the academy, the Jordan Petersons, Brett Weinsteins, James Lindsays, etc... should be asked one question and only this question until they answer it to our satisfactionl: given that you have been so ineffective at preventing this Woke infection in universities -- which is effectively the exclusive domain of liberal and left-wing individuals and ought to the be the ideal proving ground for your ideas -- why should we follow your recommendations for what to do in society as a whole?
Your mistake is assuming Jordan Peterson is a good actor and not a vile force for subversion, meant to blunt the righteous anger of those who object to their mistreatment.
What cards are the Right holding that would entice the Left to compromise? They're winning so handily they're effectively unopposed in everything they do.
They're winning because they're a loose coalition of opposing interests who have temporarily set aside their differences to pursue power. The DIE agenda is a tactical truce, it's never going to actually hold once they win.
Once they have power they will turn on each other, and very quickly one faction will dominate and the coalition will fall, and with it any strength that doesn't directly eminate from the state.
They're terrified of conservatives / ethnic majorities because they have a biological incentive to cooperate. And once the coalition falls they will be vulnerable.
In other words; they're afraid that history will repeat itself.
The children of the revolution are always the first against the wall. I think you're overestimating the woke coalition. They're never going to be able to create a functioning society, or a competent ruling block. The future is chaos, not a stable society that keeps whites down for centuries. And chaos is a ladder.
They all hate whites, but you think the chinese don't hate the blacks? The muslims don't hate the alphabets? The Pakistanis don't hate the Indians? The sunnis don't hate the shias? The competent ones don't hate the low IQ masses with near zero impulse control?
As soon as whites aren't seen as the ones at the top of the hierarchy these people are going to turn on each other with a sudden brutality. They're building popularity hierarchies, to see how well societies built on popularity hierarchies work, look at failed communist states or at African nations. As soon as the easy money is divvied up they'll start fighting for the rest. As soon as diversity hiring becomes the norm they'll start fractioning into competing groups. Soon they'll start clawing at each others eyes for every inch of social power. Empowering blacks isn't going to "solve" ruthless ghetto culture, it's going to bring it to the corridors of power.
Whites are losing, but losing isn't an endstate. They will push to make whites into second class citizens, sure. They'll do to whites everything that they (wrongly) are claiming are being done to poc today. They'll discriminate, they'll take away economic opportunities, they'll purge from the political process.
But hard times build bonds. Look at poor white communities. They aren't lorded over by a gang who keeps everyone in terror. They don't lay around staring at the sun all day while their women do all the work. They're not content with building huts with mud and manure and living hand to mouth forever. They don't shit on their streets. They don't mindlessly worship whichever one of them that currently has the most material posessions. They don't rape their babies because they think it'll cure their diseases. They don't completely hunt and pluck their lands dry until there's nothing left and the land is dead. They aren't reduced to filth. They don't wallow in self pity and victimhood.
They are cooperative. They are hard working. There are community standards. People take care of each other. They're assisted by creative redneck engineering. They farm, build, improve, perserve, and form stable societies. It's likely written in the genes of a people who for millennia had to cooperate to survive in harsher conditions.
Maybe the woke will gulag the masses, or maybe they'll flood white communities with heroin, or maybe social media and the entertainment-propaganda industry are powerful enough tools to keep the downtrodden occupied and distracted. But winning, and to keep winning against a stable and functioning majority group, are two very different things.
Reminds me of when he said Brett Kavanaugh should step down during his witch hunt. His real character tends to crop up from time to time.
It’s not a character flaw so much as the fact that just doesn’t understand politics, especially not American politics. I respect JP’s insight on a great many things, but politics definitely isn’t his strong suit.
"Compromise" always means the right gives something up. That's why conservatives don't conserve. Nothing is ever scratched back.
I keep trying to tell people, we need to abandon Conservatism in favor of something that is willing to retake lost ground, but everyone just want to believe this can be fixed by voting Republican because they're too cowardly to face the reality of the situation we're in.
"Conservatism" is the retard cuck ideology of the Girondin mini-leftists who got guillotined by the "progressive" Montagnard maximum leftists.
What does that sequence of syllables even mean?
Conservative vs progressive, from the French Revolution.
The conservative faction got beheaded.
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I really should spend some time reading up on the French Revolution at some point.
Nice try on the part of JP, but they want war and will incite it, while pretending not to, so they can get away with being the victims once it starts.
This is the nature of Evil. It pretends to be the victim while being the one responsible for pushing for violence, so that it can then claim to be the victim, and the vicious cycle can only end in death. I don't think there is a compromise, and the only way to break the cycle is some kind of catharsis event that makes the masses snap out of their sheep group think.
What is DIE?
Also, this "sacrifice Trump" sounds odd coming from JP. Is it even really him? Trump hasn't done anything wrong that I know of.
Doubly weird that he thinks the abandonment of cultural marxism by the left is something that's possible.
Diversity, Inclusion, Equity.
In other words, the foundational element of the hegemonic ideology.
Compromise for a conservative is just slowing down the losing.
"Just sacrifice democracy lol"
Ideological judo: catch people moving to the right and flip them back to the left. All members of the so called "Intellectual Dark Web" do it. Never trust a "former" liberal.
The intellectual dumb web still doesn't get that their is no compromising with people who want you dead. Maybe whe Jordan is eventually is stabbed or shot for being a "nazi" it'll finally sink in.
And I'll say No.
Compromise is how we ended up in this dystopian nightmare.
Do not make peace with Evil...
He's wrong for many reasons (that I won't get into), the most important being that there isn't a political solution to our spiritual problems. Humanly speaking, it's pretty grim, especially when you look at the previous work done. The only explanation for all this, is that spiritually we're running on fumes, and desperately are in need of gaining/regaining our faith in Jesus Christ.
A nations spiritual state (relationship to God), is tied to their morale, and ultimately success.
I have despised spineless Jordan Peterson ever since he attacked MGTOWs.
Have we forgotten how Peterson cucked out when it came to the Kavanaugh nomination?
Peterson talks a big game about young men working on self improvement when he couldn't do anything to stop his daughter from becoming a complete thot.
Peterson constantly talks about the importance of telling the truth.
Well the truth is the election was stolen from Trump. There can never be any compromise on this issue.
One cannot compromise with the left on any issue when the left desires the complete death of the right.
I said this before and I will say it again, Jordan Peterson will rot to death in a Canadian Gulag and I will say again that this spineless cuck deserves that fate.
I still like JBP overall, but started losing some respect for him after watching one of his appearances on Rogan when a supposedly learned man of science started spouting pseudoscientific BS about "terrible reactions to apple cider vinegar that made him not sleep a wink for 3 weeks" and how the Lion diet his daughter was hawking somehow cured his depression and cured her juvenile arthritis.
Then it turns out he was hiding a benzo addiction the whole time, remains in denial that he was ever psychologically or physically dependent on the drug and instead keeps attributing everything to some "idiosyncratic reaction" to prescription drugs.
He has enough money to buy Hollywood level rehab treatment, but instead doctor shops in Canada and the US, blames all the doctors for not listening to him then gets conned by his daughter to fly to Russia for experimental medical coma detox therapy, after which everyone gets COVID from his daughter clubbing it up in Serbia while he recuperates.
He's definitely lost all cred as both a voice of reason or a common sense, straight-talking everyman.
I don't even know what to say about this cover (which is real).
I was fair to him for attacking MGTOWs, because his criticisms of MGTOWs were the valid ones for criticizing MGTOW. He didn't know the full context, obviously, but yes, refusing to play the game because you claim it's rigged isn't that different from admitting defeat.
The Trump and the stolen election narrative are MAGA narratives. CRT is a Progressive narrative. It's not exactly a coincidence if you took both out, only the Neo-Libs will be left standing. Saying the election was stolen isn't exactly the same as saying CRT is valid. For one, 80% of the fucking country believe the election was stolen. NOBODY believes in Critical Race Theory. This is a PEAK KAVANAUGH TWEET.
Not a Trump supporter and he's far from my ideal politician, but the election was stolen, there's nothing to compromise on here.
No compromise.
Is there any compromise between the truth and a lie?
I think JP is wrong on this one. He doesn’t believe the election shenanigans, so he sees it as an easy compromise, but that’s not the case. Besides, the Left never compromises... they pretend to compromise when it benefits them.
Everyone in this thread is retarded.
One of the main reasons we are being curb-stomped by the Left right now is because we alienate any person that says anything even remotely cucked. Hell, even Trump has said some cucked shit in the past.
It was idiotic for Jordan Peterson to say this, but lets not forget that he is more "redpilled" than most other popular figures, as he opposes critical race theory and other bullshit programs.
One of the main reasons the Left was able to become so powerful was due to the fact that they were initially willing to accommodate almost anyone, even those whose beliefs barely aligned with their own. If the Right wants to ever challenge them we must do the same. This purity test nonsense needs to stop, as everyone will fail it eventually, and it kills what little support you could drum up.
Apologies for this incoherent rant, but we really need to rethink what we're doing here.
A leftist coalition lasts about five seconds until the statist cuck side, say, the Bolsheviks, gain power and turned on the Cheka oppression machine to imprison and execute all the other leftists.
Yeah, but I was talking about the phase when they are initially gaining power.
The other leftists are retarded enough to le bend le knee in the initial phase. Rightists are less retarded.
Why did every "liberal" NPC in Wash. DC do the commie "BLM" fist sign in 2020. How did they fail to notice. Because stupid.
Fuck off. Ejecting people who are literally telling you to surrender isn't a purity spiral. He's a fucking traitor. What good does it do anyone to keep him around?
Only one message posted by your account and it is this clear attempt to subvert the right?
Fuck off.
The NPCs will follow strength, not the weak willed who cave and follow the route of appeasement.
To be honest, the reason the Right is losing is far deeper than things like the allies we choose to keep or the tactics we employ. The Right is losing because the majority of our population is so complacent and drunk on self-indulgence and immorality they can’t even be bothered to pay attention anymore. Our culture has declined to such a degree that nothing but extreme hardship will wake us up, and even then it will probably come with a culling of the population.
We literally need a WW3 or natural disaster on unprecedented scale to wake us from the drunken stupor we’re in right now.
I think he knows that the left will never surrender CRT and IDpol. He's not stupid, and it's manifestly clear that the left has found true love in CRT
You get no points for guessing which people on the political right are retweeting this right now.
LOL fuck him.