I Wonder How This Happened?
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This happened because:
Female hypergamy is through the roof.
Women's expectations for partners are very unrealistic.
Dating apps like Tinder have helped foster the degeneracy of hookup culture where young women whore it up with Chads then after they hit the wall they try to find a rich beta male to marry.
Society has been heavily favoring women in education and in hiring. There are a lot more well paid college educated women than there are college educated men.
The widespread rise of feminism in western society means there is a pervasive anti-male sentiment in society. Women can easily ruin the lives of any man with a few words of a false sexual allegation.
The witch hunting culture of the metoo movement has caused a lot of men to be rightfully wary of blindly trusting women not to ruin mens' lives.
All of these previous mentioned factors have caused a rise in MGTOW where smart men realize that gambling on women is not worth all the potential risks.
I myself am a MGTOW who doesn't want to date, fuck or cohabitate with a woman and I definitely will never marry.
And yet, they still want men who make more than them for partners.
"We need more women in university even though we've long passed 50% representation because historical inequities REEEEEEE!"
"Goddessdammit why are there so few men who have jobs you can only get with a university education!"
52% women in my college
Might actually be a good thing if men are entering trades instead.
Seriously, the real takeaway here is that women will outnumber men in student debt...
Since women make up a large majority of consumers it only makes sense that they're the target for the latest boondoggle.
I broke up with [what i thought at the time] was the perfect woman because she lied about having $230k of debt which she accrued because her bougie parents convinced her to pay for herself to go to an elite private school she was accepted to. But her parents had to have that new boat every 5 years. Oh yes, that was much more important than making sure their daughter didnt become a debt slave.
The husbands of these women will still pay for it in the end, the ignorant men who take on their wife's debt as part of the marriage deal. In the end, the men will pay.
I like how it took all of this modernist bullshit to make young people who generally stray from religion realize that traditional religious practices are actually a good fucking idea lol.
As someone who was never raised to believe, never developed belief, and has never seen the bible as anything other than a collection of ancient aesop's-like fables, I find it fascinating that so many atheists, agnostics, irreligious, and whatever else they like to be called, correctly identify religious texts as nothing more than tools for controlling society, but never stop and think to themselves that maybe having control and order in society is actually important.
The origins of the bible, and countless other holy texts from other religions stretch back over millennia, through ancient egypt, ancient sumer, babylon, and the indus river. These stories have been processed and re-processed by the scholars, philosophers, priests and rulers of countless generations. They have, collectively, seen entire civilizations rise from nothing, shine with greatness, and crumble to ruin, dozens of times over. The stories they wrote in those texts are all written with one single goal: To inculcate in the masses, the patterns of behavior that make civilizations rise, and most importantly, determine who will survive and go on to rebuild when that civilization inevitably dies.
Here's a bit from Leviticus that comes after a lengthy list of sexually degenerate things you shouldn't do - wife stealing, incest, beastiality, sodomy, etc:
I don't believe God exists. I don't believe there's a concious entity 'driving out the nations before you' so that you can take their land and live on it. To me, this passage is simply a guide on how to conquer territory without an army:
-Move into to a foreign nation as an immigrant
-Don't be obnoxious and gross and they won't throw you out
-Live wholesome lives and keep reproducing
-Their degnerate society will crumble around you without you doing anything
-You are now the majority of the population, or a large enough minority to enforce a claim over an area
-Behold, God has given you this land, and driven out the nation before you!
And there it is. Instructions to control a population, for their own long-term benefit, presented in such a way that the priest doesn't have to sit there explaining birth rates and demographics to a bunch of illiterate sheep herders. All he has to tell them is 'God says so'.
That's why we have religion. To keep huge collectives of people who don't have the time or knowledge to think about the long term implications of every little thing from making decisions that will ultimate harm them and countless generations of their descendents.
Few people circle back to this conclusion after *becoming atheist. The ones that don't are more accurately anti-theist.
PoundMeToo was reactionary in a sense. The progressive idea that consent is all that is required for sex was found to be flawed due to the fundamental nature of the relationship between the sexes. Women use sex to secure their socioeconomic position, and men use their socioeconomic position to secure sex. Inevitable power imbalances will lead to abuse from both sides. Tradition does have inherited solutions to this problem through enforced monogamy, prohibitions on sexual acts, and caste systems.
alright I followed everything else but wtf does poundmetoo mean? lol
It's a joke about how # is used today as "hashtag," but on phones it was always the "pound key."
# is an abbreviation for pounds, as in weight.
Almost like our ancestors were writing "god said so!" as a justification for already well known to be smart practices, rather than just inventing them for the lulz.
young people now think their ancestors were all stupid. They dont realize that everything they are attempting to do now in terms of relationships: poly, FWB, hookup culture, whatever it is, was all tried before and what was not successful was discarded or those people doing it died out, what succeeded is what we still have today and we call it "tradition".
Young people think traditions are just "that is how we have always done it", and not "we do it this way because it works, and has worked this way for a very long time".
Even the king of the fedora wearing atheists, Richard Dawkins admitted that Christianity was a bulwark against "something worse" and its decline is making it much more noticeable.
The stage was not set for feminism to take hold due to a tenuous agreement between religious people and feminists that porn was amoral. Their reasons for thinking it weren't even the same (religious: it's simply amoral, don't do it - fems: its degrading to women, male fantasy, whatever). That's like saying people like us are in a partnership with TERFs because we both disagree with trannies. You have a real time example of that being not the case and you can't see it just because this one sparse historical connection could possibly lend credence to your view with a few truckloads of added assumptions.
You need to stop this top down approach of attributing everything to your disliked group and then trying to draw a line from there. You're worse than the zealots on consumeproduct with jews.
I'm not even a Christian dude. It's just blatantly clear monogamy is the best way to raise kids.
And we're not gonna defeat shit if everyone with any kind of moral constitution dies out in a generation.
The last time I was on the dating scene, I seemed to be a real catch for the 40-something-overweight-and-irresponsible crowd because I was none of those things. I refused to match with any of them, but I bet desperate guys and blimp chasers would. The ones who weren't overweight had pretty crazy bios or looked like they wanted their guy to fly them to fourteen different countries all expenses paid.
They're either overweight or single moms. I'm really dreading entering the dating scene because it is an absolute cesspit.
Ngl I wouldn't be surprised if I have to look overseas for someone decent based on all the stuff I hear and see.
Wait you want them to rape women? Everything else doesn't make sense in this context.
Would the removal of women's rights do anything to sway your stance?
That still doesn't undo how terribly they have treated men for years.
No one can unring that bell.
No one can fix the damage that has already been wrought.
Bitterness, disgust, resentment cannot be erased.
Online dating has devolved into quick hookups and made it easier than ever for women to chase being endlessly pumped and dumped by top the 20% of men over starting a meaningful relationship with anyone else.
Online gaming has made it easier than ever for the bottom 80% of men to shut themselves off from normal social life.
College kangaroo courts have made college relationships a game of russian roulette for men, forcing them to wait longer or look elsewhere.
HR departments have made dating co-workers a game of russian roulette for men forcing them to wait longer or look elsewhere.
'Elsewhere' becomes 'online', where most of them stand no chance against the top 20% who are 'dating' multiple women every month.
Bitterness increases, word spreads, more and more men give up, quit, and refuse to play a game that has been rigged against them top to bottom, from the dating game at the start to the divorce courts at the end.
Don't forget that OLD's really experiencing a huge boom right now because of the covid bullshit. With people forced indoors men and women have moved to it in droves and worsened all the trends that we've been seeing in dating.
It did go away for a while, but Biden just brought it back https://archive.vn/XjzC1 https://archive.vn/zXWr0.
"zero female sex partners since they turned 18"
That's kind of a weird way of phrasing it. Is this suggesting that they had sex partners before they turned 18? Is it suggesting that they now have male sex partners?
Probably some legal reason around child exploitation laws where inquiring about it would run afoul.
Likely the question was something like, "Since turning 18, how many female sex partners have you had?" They phrase it this way because they don't know what their sexual history was before turning 18.
"Where are all the football stars? And where are the biochemists? They're trapped, trapped pouring money into mining dogecoin. All civilization was just an effort to acquire coins, and sometimes sex."
I think it suggests that part of the data is inaccurate. I believe the rise in the last decade or so though.
Haha funny graph. Male virgins funny.
I wonder where creation of tinder falls on this one. Even funnier would be to plot the number of women with 0 partners since they turned 18. And just for kicks, lets plot suicide rates too. Will be fucking hilarious.
oh wow, civilization is literally killing itself. If only I could have shamed men more for not having sex and doing dumb nerd shit. Now I am going to die of infection because I have no access to antibiotics after everything broke down.
Well that certainly explains the past year.
This only goes to 2018. Just wait until we get the 2020-2021 pandemic stats. Sure this study checks for sex partners after 18, but even with that limitation I bet we'll see that 27% spike yet again. Limit it to just those who turned 18 during the pandemic, and it's probably gonna spike to a number we can't yet fathom.
I'm sorry, I don't believe these numbers. Women literally give out pussy for free as long as you take care of yourself and have a bit of cash. We can't complain about the degeneracy of hookup culture and sexualization of every aspect of society, and then say that men aren't getting laid lol. If anything, I believe that virginity rates are lower than they have ever been historically. My God, imagine trying to find a woman at 18 who hasn't had sex in this world lol.
This seeming contradiction is because women—taken as a whole—pursue sexual relations with a select group of men. Just look at how STDs are working out for men and women
Yep, the rate of infection for women is 4x higher than in men. Meaning 4 women are getting infected for every 1 man. One infected man is infecting 4 women, or one woman is infecting one man who infects 3 other women. However you want to view it, the STD rates of infection show the sexual selection rates of society, 4:1
No, women just get infected more easily, it's the equipment.
lol, whatever you want to believe buddy.
They've shown this, women are more prone to picking up STDs, I believe it was due to stuff like tears and the like, better environment for infections to thrive.
all STDs? are women 4x as likely to contract an STD? I have no doubt women are more prone, but not 4x as much.
I don't know if the 4x number is too high or low, it is what it is. I don't see why they wouldn't be more likely to catch all types, again, due to the anatomy. Could it have something to do with men getting checked out less perhaps? They go to doctors less. What is the demographic break down? Are certain groups spiking this for all women? I've never studied it much in depth, just know that anatomy wise they do get STDs more. I have seen studies that women, and men, are not actually sleeping around as much as hook-up culture would have us believe, and that men sleep with 1 person more than your average woman. It's the outliers who are sleeping around a lot, not the majority.
One of the biggest things I hate about gay men in media, especially in books/online stories is that they are portrayed as women in mens bodies. A portion of the gay community has always embraced this, but not it seems to be the norm. Almost every gay I meet is waxed, moisturized, plucked, squeaky-assed, and too femme to fuck. I get a little bit of this, but the whole pussy package is just disgusting to me. These also happen to be the biggest sluts.
Guess they embody the whole 'my ass is my vagina' thing now, with the rise of once all-but-wiped-out STDs among them.
I get your point, but I think the whole 20% thing is a cope tbh. As long as you keep yourself neat and look like you have something going for you in life, it really isn't hard to find one. Even when I was a near broke college student, I could attract interest just by doing those two things.
Personally, I had my first opportunity to lose my virginity at 16. I know plenty of men that lost theirs even earlier. I think that there is truth in that women are whoring around more than ever (evidenced by the STD rates), and that both sexes are having a harder time settling down (evidenced by the lowest marriage rates since the 1800s), but I think that the whole "incel" problem is overblown. I mean, you can literally call a hooker or escort if you really need to get your rocks off as a man. Would be interesting to know if these men are choosing to be sexless or not.
Most incels don't want meaningless sex though. They know they can pay an Asian hooker 5 dorra for a sucky sucky long time lovin. But by and large they don't. Why is that? Because sex is just the stand in for a meaningful relationship. Incels don't want a quick fuck, they just want to be loved
Normally I'm not one for song lyric posting, but this one's appropriate imo
The whole song is a banger and it came out before "incel" was a huge thing, but it captures a lot of the driving feelings behind inceldom.
Now you can argue that they're setting their sights too high, only wanting Stacy when Becky is more than willing to date them, but that's not true of everyone
Are you retarded? Women give pussy for free to the top 20%. So of course there will be more male virgins than female. Virginity rates for men are absolutely higher than in the past.
Get a stick of deodorant, clean your face up, dress nicely, and you can find a woman too. Not that hard.
20% is a cope.
I don't think this is a contradiction unless you also support the idea that men's standards for sexual partners must go down to match the available stock of females.
I think you'd agree with me due to this statement.
If some girl's giving out pussy for free, that doesn't make it more desirable, it makes it less desirable. That's not even a principled rationale, it's crude scarcity logic.
Personally, it's just too easy now and it grosses me out having a slut try to put out before I even get a chance to make an effort. I feel sorry for young guys growing up in these conditions.
I agree 100%, even trying to find a woman who is a virgin past 18 is nearly impossible in today's world. The average woman cannot even cook, and probably doesn't want to/know how to clean, so why even bother getting deeply involved is my perspective as well.
The quality of women certainly has degraded in the past few decades, thanks to retard feminists trying to convince them to become half rate men, which is why I think that it is important to determine whether young men that don't have sex today are making that decision voluntarily or not. The whole "incel" problem is completely overblown media garbage designed to attack White men who don't want a whore imo.
Good, stop sleeping around you heathens! Now to get the female rate up, assuming there isn't already a rise in virginity there either. I'd be surprised if there wasn't honestly. Virginity rates have been going up in some other modern countries too, Japan i think it was.
But this is an actual problem for them. If men are failing to properly engage with the dating scene, they are harder to manipulate with the idea of pussy and don't part with their money into women's pockets.
That's why they get so enraged over the idea of MGTOW, men not playing the game means they lose.
Most OF girls make a pittance, to a point where its negligible. The supply is far too high, there is too much quality free stuff (and leakers) to make huge bank, and outside of Famous girls most people aren't gonna sub to random hoes without a unique kink. I know three of them in my current town and they spend days begging for guys to maybe give them 10$ more so they can get gas, the whole three subs they have.
Women need more than direct money. They need attention. They need men to do the stuff they don't want to do to make society run. They need husbands to fund wives who make up the majority of the coomsumers that make the economy run.
yep, only the very top make a lot of money. The majority make $500. Not $500 a month, but $500 total. TOTAL. Sell your dignity and potential for a future husband for $500. It would be funny if it wasnt so pathetic.
Its the same shortsightedness they always display. Quick injections of cash without a thought for the long lasting effects on their life.
Heck, most of them will turn around and "invest" their profits into more sex toys/objects hoping it increases their profits (like a real business) and end up not changing their margins at all.
If they do make some money they spend it on purses, shoes, clothes, jewelry, vacations, personal entertainment.... they will all end up in their 30s just as broke when they were in their 20s. But most make $500 total like I said.
Only now they will have a dark secret their closet they wont want their potential husband to know about. Any respectable man would find OF revolting, any simp would claim he doesnt care, but women dont respect a man like that.
Shotsightedness is an IQ thing, not a gender thing.
Just that shortsighted men end up in jail, broke, or as addicts. Shortsighted women end up leeching off some schmuch or as sex workers.
im rather quickly becoming less libertarian thanks to shit like this.
On one hand, fine let women be degenerates and prostitute themselves for money, and the simps who give them money are fools who deserve to have their money taken.
On the other hand, how sad is the state of society that women feel no shame in prostituting themselves stealing from their future happiness for a quick buck, and the men who give them money are so lonely for female attention that they willingly pay money for an e-thot whom they will never meet.
Man if you want to really see how messed up things are, there's at least 1 site out there where someone (men) can pay someone else (women) to play videogames with them. I don't know about you but I think it's a really freaking huge problem that there's enough lonely men out there to make a site where men pay for people to play games with them economically viable.
Or how virtual girlfriend apps like replika or this Chinese one are profitable enough for multiple companies to try their hand at making them.
The fact any service like this has enough demand to be viable is ry worrying. Seeing the decay happen right before my eyes has definitely made me less libertarian too. I don't really see a way out of it barring major cultural change.
Note: the e-friend site linked above apparently used to be "e-girl.gg" according to this vid at 11:45
You're committing the apex fallacy. The most cardinal error behind most feminist theory, so much so they literally had it scrubbed off the mainstream internet. As in, seeing the top of the pyramid and then assuming everyone has that level of life.
They use it to assume every male has the same level of privilege as Chad Thundercock, while most of us suffer horrible due to their higher privilege. The same way, you see the handful of megastars and assume the 100k+ others are all doing that well. Have you physically met most of those freaks, because I've physically met and talked with a handful of attractive yet still poor OF girls.
If that many women were that rich, you'd see far more repercussions in society. Most times they might get a quick injection when they are new, spend it wastefully because they are women and must coomsume, and then everyone leaves. And that's best case scenario for the majority. Otherwise you are only hearing about the top 2% who are worth writing articles about and their life being promoted.
I know, but I figured I'd give you the ability to say otherwise. That's a problem though, because now your view of reality is filtered through what you hear and are told, or what other people say that you see.
I hate women and feminists just as much if not more than you. But I'm out here in the world interacting with them and observing their behaviors in real time. You need to know your enemy to combat them, not lock yourself away and seethe.
And most of them are part time wagies who are now making the equivalent to the upper crust of poverty with this injection. Which they often frivolously spend and end up right back in the same shithole position.
You are vastly overestimating what they make, and even more so how little it matters because of how frivolously they instantly spend it on perishable bullshit like food, makeup, and trinkets.