My guess is the whole thing will drag on for many months. In the end he'll get convicted on one of the lesser charges. No way they can let him go free after everything the media, politicians and activists have done in the name of Saint Floyd.
It might be like rodney king where the jury does the right thing and aquits starting the riot. Then the feds do some double jeopardy bullshit to appease the mob.
If the result this time is going to be the same no matter what they do, they should do the thing that discourages that result NEXT time.
It was probably very unfortunate for the first person subject to America's "we will not negotiate with kidnappers/terrorists" policy. But it reduced subsequent ones. Minneapolis is a write-off. It already burned, burning it some more will be unfortunate but inevitable. But society needs to showcase that they're not willing to negotiate with terrorists, once again, no matter how much of their own city they torch.
Chauvin is probably doomed with that many white women on the jury.
Although it only takes one individual with strong principles to save him, the problem is that any individual who doesn't vote to convict him will definitely get doxxed by the evil mainstream media. Then that individual will face an unimaginable level of hate.
That's exactly what I was thinking. It's tough for me to expect that level of principles knowing that whoever digs in on it is essentially committing suicide. Maybe they won't be killed, but every thing they have will be taken from them. I'd like to think I'd stick to what's right if it was me, but I'd be lying if I could tell you that for certain.
yeah. it's easy to tell people to have a backbone and stand up against cancel culture (or some other issue) when it's no skin off your back and you're anonymous.
the people there are malicious and incredibly petty, and when circumstances call for it, can bend the rule of law as they see fit.
It's gonna be funny. No matter the decision by the Jury, there will be a riot.
If he's fully convicted of charges, they will riot because it establishes that the system is indeed racist to the institutional core.
If he's not fully convicted because of technicalities, they will riot because they believe the institutional racism is what allowed him to walk.
If he's not convicted because of the death cocktail that Floyd consumed just before the incident and any healthy person would have been fine through the situation, there will be a riot because the system won't change and a man died for "nothing."
Also assuming they rule correctly they better have the guard ready.
Don't think the Guard will be enough. Should call in Inquisitorial Stormtroopers - that way if things get out of hand they can just exterminatus a few cities.
An armed insurrection openly declaring its independence in some places and attacking American cities in the name of violent criminals should never have been tolerated. Trump should have invoked the Insurrection Act, then went after the puppeteers.
Its the meme where a guy asks for solutions or he'll riot, the other guy offers something, the first guy lights the solution on fire while saying "You don't understand I just want to riot"
From a legal prospective there's clear evidence of reasonable doubt. You have conflicting autopsy reports and the one that indicates that Chauvin's actions resulted in Floyd's death was done by a Medical Examiner that didn't actually examine the body.
I think the DA is going to have a hard time proving murder since there really wasn't any intent to kill him and the point where Chauvin had his knee on Floyd was after Floyd had been continuously resisting.
Now it's possible that Chauvin could go down for the 3rd degree murder since there's no intent requirement, but that autopsy report that says Floyd died of a heart attack from a meth overdose hurts their chances since it makes it harder to argue that kneeling on Floyd constituted an "eminently dangerous" act.
From a political standpoint I can see why people would be skeptical about this trial being adjudicated fairly. You have people scared that there's going to be more riots and there's a lot more anti-police bias now, however, I think that the judge won't dismiss anything but the jury will ultimately acquit Chauvin. I mostly think this because now that the "Big Bad Orange Man" is gone BLM aren't useful to the DNC right now. The DNC knows damn well that the ACAB "defund the police" crap cost them seats in the house and probably prevented them from actually getting a real majority in the senate. This doesn't mean that leftists are going to denounce BLM or anything like that but they won't be as vocal in supporting the violence as they were previously.
It's still gonna be a shitshow regardless of the outcome
You have conflicting autopsy reports and the one that indicates that Chauvin's actions resulted in Floyd's death was done by a Medical Examiner that didn't actually examine the body.
Not really conflicting autopsy reports. There is one autopsy report and a political statement.
no way no how are they gonna find him not guilty. there will be hell on earth from the sjw crowd if he is innocent or not. it really is a shame that they are letting violence hold that much power and only from that one group of people.
Actually, a chauvinist is one who follows Chauvin's philosophy, which were idolization for the past, hyper-nationalism (negatively to the point of jingoism), and a love (negatively a fetishization) of history.
There's nothing actually about women in Chauvinism. They just made it all about themselves when it had nothing to do with them. Which I know is highly out of character for women, my good expert on their nature you'd know that of course.
u/SophiesBoyfriend is correct. He really didn't need to try and restrain the dude who had completely passed out at that point.
In fact, I'd bet money that's what they'll actually get him on: "hurr durr, you should have provided life-saving aid instead of holding his neck down = negligent homicide" or some such thing.
And yeah, he was gonna die no matter what with all the meth and fentanyl he ingested. No, he wasn't asphyxiated.
It actually kinda reminds me of the Eric Garner case. The cops didn't do anything wrong, but they didn't look like they were helping.
Difference is that Eric Garner may have actually been killed by negligence from the EMT's who preformed no life-saving efforts when he stopped breathing. If you're an EMT, and your patient stops breathing you should probably so something.
First, how would Chauvin have known that Floyd had passed out and wasn't in a drugged up stupor or faking it? Second, if he had known absolutely that Chauvin had passed out, was removing control over his movement the correct action?
Now let's take it even further beyond!
Had Chauvin had perfect knowledge of the situation, would he have been able to render aid at that point with what was available to him such that Floyd would have lived?
There is no justifiable situation whereby Chauvin was responsible for the death of George Floyd.
Floyd was a multipe-felon with a history of violent crime and drug abuse.
Stop making the mistake of thinking he could be treated as a normal, innocent bystander.
Stop making the mistake of thinking he could be treated as a normal, innocent bystander.
If George Floyd was a serial killer, and then started freaking out being clearly high on something, and then completely goes limp... for several minutes, and maybe even stops breathing, then kneeling on the back of his neck still doesn't do anything.
It neither restrains him, no asphyxiates him.
The biggest threat the officer had at that point, was from the crowd.
How could he tell that George wasn't faking it? For starters, it's a classic case of "Excited Delirium": dude is high as fuck, acting hysterical and controllable, then passing out, and dying of cardiac arrest. It's not the first time I've watched that play out in police footage, and I've even seen cops recognize the signs and realize "Oh shit, he's about to die" when the suspect basically fades out, and try CPR to get their heart started again.
Beyond that, he could check his pulse and his breathing. There's also a sternum rub and a few other tricks to try and wake people up to see if they are genuinely lights-out.
As with the George Floyd case, the family claimed asphyxia, but this time: from a choke hold, and because "the police were all kneeling on him so his lungs couldn't expand and he couldn't breathe".
Thing is, the police officer tried to apply a blood choke, not a air-way choke. After fighting with the cops, Garner had a heart attack, and that's when he started struggling to breathe. Once he was in cuffs, all the cops got off of him.
He laid on the ground, with the cops holding him in a recovery position, struggling to breathe under the weight of his own fat, and suffering from a heart attack. Then the EMT's arrived... and did nothing.
We know that he was breathing when the police were on top of him because he was yelling and hyperventilating. When the EMT's arrive, you can see he is completely out. He basically looks dead. His chest isn't moving. The woman EMT claims she felt a pulse... but really didn't check for breathing at all. She kinda puts a hand on his diaphram... but it doesn't move either. It's only when the EMT's load him into the ambulance that they realize something has actually gone terribly wrong. By the time actual medics show up, they try to stimulate his heart, but now he's already dead. It's possible he did have some kind of a pulse. Typically, it's erratic when you have a heart attack and stop breathing.
None of the cops, bystanders, or EMT's seem to recognize how quietly people can die.
The cops are only responsible for Garner's death because the stress of the arrest may have induced the heart attack. ... and because illegally selling cigarettes is a stupid crime. But the blood choke didn't do anything, and the kneeling on him was to keep him from getting up.
I found the old r-EMS thread on Reddit that goes over it. The video that is linked in there was the second video of Garner's death, after the police had already gotten up off them. You can see from the responses they are all just going "what the fuck are you doing?!!" Only a handful jump onto the anti-police attitudes. The rest are listing out the shit that should have been done.
Anyways, when the courts got done with this incident, they didn't convict the cop who tried to apply a choke on him because although it wasn't procedure, he couldn't have known that Garner would die. Because of State Law, even Negligent Homicide, required some kind of intent on the part of the officer to basically kill Garner, or for him to be aware that his actions would kill Garner.
He couldn't have known that because that's not how the choke works, and he didn't want that, because he obviously stopped when Garner was subdued. The first video ends with Garner still alive while the Left screamed that we watched a video with Garner being murdered on it. The second video where he actually died from actual negligence is relatively unknown. That EMT crew never even faced charges.
Anyways, when the courts got done with this incident, they didn't convict the cop who tried to apply a choke on him because although it wasn't procedure, he couldn't have known that Garner would die. Because of State Law, even Negligent Homicide, required some kind of intent on the part of the officer to basically kill Garner, or for him to be aware that his actions would kill Garner.
This is quite concerning to me. I hope that this is only when the police officer is acting legally. Because if a criminal throws a punch at me, and he just happens to kill me without intending to kill me, he should not be able to not be prosecuted for negligent homicide.
We have no federal laws on murder. Each state is different and choses how they define their laws on murder. New York's happen to be fairly fucking weird.
Have you ever had any personal experience dealing with drug addicts or criminals?
Do you have any personal experience in martial arts, wrestling, any kind of chokes/holds, etc?
I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.
Consider it from the angle of the officer.
What part about it is "obvious?"
That he stopped moving? That he relaxed? For an officer that has worked over a decade on the streets, how many times do you think he saw that trick used?
There's really not much reason for such hostility. We're all on the same side here. If this is what one of us thinks, then surely there will be many others outside our bubble who do as well, and it would serve us well to have great and not just good responses to them.
Half your time here is spent snarkily attacking our resident misogynist or "stormfront" types. I don't think you should be remarking about hostility towards our "side."
He goalpost moved twice everytime he was called out for how blatantly wrong he was, I don't find that worthy of responding with decorum.
If the jury is stupid, and would convict you if you did X, even if there is nothing necessarily wrong with X, then you may want to consider not doing X.
Whether you're right or wrong makes not the slightest difference unless you manage to convince 12 inbred dimwits that you are right.
That's not what he said though. He said numerous times something overtly wrong about what should have been done, then when it was pointed out it was wrong changed topic to "well the jury is gonna be dumb."
That's probably correct, but that's a completely different conversation. He tried to pin the blame on Chauvin for an incorrect move, that's what was being called out.
Assuming he was only using enough force to keep him immobilized would you really want to release him when it's possible he'd wake up and just have to be immobilized again?
He had no damage to his throat, but a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. What was preventing him from breathing was the drugs, not the standard procedure neck hold.
I fully expect the entire legal process to be a sham, no way they are going to uphold the law and not cave in.
Yea, it's way too political for a fair process.
My guess is the whole thing will drag on for many months. In the end he'll get convicted on one of the lesser charges. No way they can let him go free after everything the media, politicians and activists have done in the name of Saint Floyd.
I think there will be riots no matter the outcome...though they will likely be worse if any charges are dismissed.
Joggers gonna jog. I agree that no matter what happens those animals will burn loot and murder. It’s who they are.
The question is do you want them to Burn in anger, or """Simply""" Loot in joy. The Murder is a byproduct.
"so don't loot back in anger, I heard you say"
ellison does. he's an enemy combatant.
I fully expect the legal process to somehow work out in the end and cities will fucking burn. It's been fun.
It might be like rodney king where the jury does the right thing and aquits starting the riot. Then the feds do some double jeopardy bullshit to appease the mob.
They're going to burn regardless. Just a question what causes the next time and how soon that will be.
If the result this time is going to be the same no matter what they do, they should do the thing that discourages that result NEXT time.
It was probably very unfortunate for the first person subject to America's "we will not negotiate with kidnappers/terrorists" policy. But it reduced subsequent ones. Minneapolis is a write-off. It already burned, burning it some more will be unfortunate but inevitable. But society needs to showcase that they're not willing to negotiate with terrorists, once again, no matter how much of their own city they torch.
Don't be so sure. The best thing that could possibly happen for the left is that Chauvin walks, aquitted of all charges.
That will given them license for another wave of mass rioting,
DEFINITE show trial just to pay lip service to those pesky constitutional obligations and rights. Same thing will happen to the Kenosha Kid.
Over 28 FBI agents sent to investigate the police department.
The fuck?
Pull cords, a celebrity's dog, random Americans in Washington on the 6th, and now police departments.
Muslim terrorists? Child grooming groups? Corrupt public officials? Nothing.
Chauvin is probably doomed with that many white women on the jury.
Although it only takes one individual with strong principles to save him, the problem is that any individual who doesn't vote to convict him will definitely get doxxed by the evil mainstream media. Then that individual will face an unimaginable level of hate.
That's exactly what I was thinking. It's tough for me to expect that level of principles knowing that whoever digs in on it is essentially committing suicide. Maybe they won't be killed, but every thing they have will be taken from them. I'd like to think I'd stick to what's right if it was me, but I'd be lying if I could tell you that for certain.
yeah. it's easy to tell people to have a backbone and stand up against cancel culture (or some other issue) when it's no skin off your back and you're anonymous.
the people there are malicious and incredibly petty, and when circumstances call for it, can bend the rule of law as they see fit.
Really? I can't find anything about that. Do you have a source?
It's gonna be funny. No matter the decision by the Jury, there will be a riot.
If he's fully convicted of charges, they will riot because it establishes that the system is indeed racist to the institutional core.
If he's not fully convicted because of technicalities, they will riot because they believe the institutional racism is what allowed him to walk.
If he's not convicted because of the death cocktail that Floyd consumed just before the incident and any healthy person would have been fine through the situation, there will be a riot because the system won't change and a man died for "nothing."
If the wind blows, they will riot.
Why can’t he get a change of venue? Also assuming they rule correctly they better have the guard ready.
The judge denied change of venue by basically saying anywhere is tainted.
And whose fault is that? Maybe the media endlessly pushing a certain narrative. Too bad the media can’t be held accountable
Don't think the Guard will be enough. Should call in Inquisitorial Stormtroopers - that way if things get out of hand they can just exterminatus a few cities.
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Why so they can kneel in solidarity?
LETS GOOOOOOO!
I think he will be acquitted. let's see.
I do too.
An armed insurrection openly declaring its independence in some places and attacking American cities in the name of violent criminals should never have been tolerated. Trump should have invoked the Insurrection Act, then went after the puppeteers.
Its the meme where a guy asks for solutions or he'll riot, the other guy offers something, the first guy lights the solution on fire while saying "You don't understand I just want to riot"
Expect a show trial
It will be divisive as fuck. Like OJ but worse.
From a legal prospective there's clear evidence of reasonable doubt. You have conflicting autopsy reports and the one that indicates that Chauvin's actions resulted in Floyd's death was done by a Medical Examiner that didn't actually examine the body.
I think the DA is going to have a hard time proving murder since there really wasn't any intent to kill him and the point where Chauvin had his knee on Floyd was after Floyd had been continuously resisting.
Now it's possible that Chauvin could go down for the 3rd degree murder since there's no intent requirement, but that autopsy report that says Floyd died of a heart attack from a meth overdose hurts their chances since it makes it harder to argue that kneeling on Floyd constituted an "eminently dangerous" act.
From a political standpoint I can see why people would be skeptical about this trial being adjudicated fairly. You have people scared that there's going to be more riots and there's a lot more anti-police bias now, however, I think that the judge won't dismiss anything but the jury will ultimately acquit Chauvin. I mostly think this because now that the "Big Bad Orange Man" is gone BLM aren't useful to the DNC right now. The DNC knows damn well that the ACAB "defund the police" crap cost them seats in the house and probably prevented them from actually getting a real majority in the senate. This doesn't mean that leftists are going to denounce BLM or anything like that but they won't be as vocal in supporting the violence as they were previously.
It's still gonna be a shitshow regardless of the outcome
Not really conflicting autopsy reports. There is one autopsy report and a political statement.
no way no how are they gonna find him not guilty. there will be hell on earth from the sjw crowd if he is innocent or not. it really is a shame that they are letting violence hold that much power and only from that one group of people.
Something I just realised, and it's probably tinfoil...
Chauvin(istic) means being overly pro-men.
What are the fucking odds that the BS that happened to help the matriarchy win, just happens to have that name?
Symbolism is fun.
Actually, a chauvinist is one who follows Chauvin's philosophy, which were idolization for the past, hyper-nationalism (negatively to the point of jingoism), and a love (negatively a fetishization) of history.
There's nothing actually about women in Chauvinism. They just made it all about themselves when it had nothing to do with them. Which I know is highly out of character for women, my good expert on their nature you'd know that of course.
George Floyd has been sober for 308 days.
But seriously - Chauvin should have got off his neck after he clearly passed out...
And when he then stops faking it and attacks police, as has happened tens of thousands of times across the US in the last decade?
You're assuming cops should just trust violent black criminal drug addicts to behave as normal people. Absurd.
For all they knew he could have been in the downer phase of angel dust and been headed towards the eat-your-face-off phase.
u/SophiesBoyfriend is correct. He really didn't need to try and restrain the dude who had completely passed out at that point.
In fact, I'd bet money that's what they'll actually get him on: "hurr durr, you should have provided life-saving aid instead of holding his neck down = negligent homicide" or some such thing.
And yeah, he was gonna die no matter what with all the meth and fentanyl he ingested. No, he wasn't asphyxiated.
It actually kinda reminds me of the Eric Garner case. The cops didn't do anything wrong, but they didn't look like they were helping.
Difference is that Eric Garner may have actually been killed by negligence from the EMT's who preformed no life-saving efforts when he stopped breathing. If you're an EMT, and your patient stops breathing you should probably so something.
He's not right and you didn't read what I wrote.
Here's the two questions you need to answer:
Now let's take it even further beyond!
Had Chauvin had perfect knowledge of the situation, would he have been able to render aid at that point with what was available to him such that Floyd would have lived?
There is no justifiable situation whereby Chauvin was responsible for the death of George Floyd.
Floyd was a multipe-felon with a history of violent crime and drug abuse.
Stop making the mistake of thinking he could be treated as a normal, innocent bystander.
If George Floyd was a serial killer, and then started freaking out being clearly high on something, and then completely goes limp... for several minutes, and maybe even stops breathing, then kneeling on the back of his neck still doesn't do anything.
It neither restrains him, no asphyxiates him.
The biggest threat the officer had at that point, was from the crowd.
How could he tell that George wasn't faking it? For starters, it's a classic case of "Excited Delirium": dude is high as fuck, acting hysterical and controllable, then passing out, and dying of cardiac arrest. It's not the first time I've watched that play out in police footage, and I've even seen cops recognize the signs and realize "Oh shit, he's about to die" when the suspect basically fades out, and try CPR to get their heart started again.
Beyond that, he could check his pulse and his breathing. There's also a sternum rub and a few other tricks to try and wake people up to see if they are genuinely lights-out.
I was under the impression that their actions led to his death. Is that not true? Has my brain been addled by the propaganda as well?
As with the George Floyd case, the family claimed asphyxia, but this time: from a choke hold, and because "the police were all kneeling on him so his lungs couldn't expand and he couldn't breathe".
Thing is, the police officer tried to apply a blood choke, not a air-way choke. After fighting with the cops, Garner had a heart attack, and that's when he started struggling to breathe. Once he was in cuffs, all the cops got off of him.
He laid on the ground, with the cops holding him in a recovery position, struggling to breathe under the weight of his own fat, and suffering from a heart attack. Then the EMT's arrived... and did nothing.
We know that he was breathing when the police were on top of him because he was yelling and hyperventilating. When the EMT's arrive, you can see he is completely out. He basically looks dead. His chest isn't moving. The woman EMT claims she felt a pulse... but really didn't check for breathing at all. She kinda puts a hand on his diaphram... but it doesn't move either. It's only when the EMT's load him into the ambulance that they realize something has actually gone terribly wrong. By the time actual medics show up, they try to stimulate his heart, but now he's already dead. It's possible he did have some kind of a pulse. Typically, it's erratic when you have a heart attack and stop breathing.
None of the cops, bystanders, or EMT's seem to recognize how quietly people can die.
The cops are only responsible for Garner's death because the stress of the arrest may have induced the heart attack. ... and because illegally selling cigarettes is a stupid crime. But the blood choke didn't do anything, and the kneeling on him was to keep him from getting up.
I found the old r-EMS thread on Reddit that goes over it. The video that is linked in there was the second video of Garner's death, after the police had already gotten up off them. You can see from the responses they are all just going "what the fuck are you doing?!!" Only a handful jump onto the anti-police attitudes. The rest are listing out the shit that should have been done.
Anyways, when the courts got done with this incident, they didn't convict the cop who tried to apply a choke on him because although it wasn't procedure, he couldn't have known that Garner would die. Because of State Law, even Negligent Homicide, required some kind of intent on the part of the officer to basically kill Garner, or for him to be aware that his actions would kill Garner.
He couldn't have known that because that's not how the choke works, and he didn't want that, because he obviously stopped when Garner was subdued. The first video ends with Garner still alive while the Left screamed that we watched a video with Garner being murdered on it. The second video where he actually died from actual negligence is relatively unknown. That EMT crew never even faced charges.
Thanks for the explanation.
This is quite concerning to me. I hope that this is only when the police officer is acting legally. Because if a criminal throws a punch at me, and he just happens to kill me without intending to kill me, he should not be able to not be prosecuted for negligent homicide.
We have no federal laws on murder. Each state is different and choses how they define their laws on murder. New York's happen to be fairly fucking weird.
After George passed out Chauvin could have taken the knee off his neck and put it on his shoulder or something.
With his weight on him He still would not be at risk of being attacked
You're missing the point.
How would Chauvin have known that Floyd passed out and wasn't either putting on an act or out because of the effects of a drug like bath salts?
You realize that would make much easier to restrict breathing or blood flow while being more unstable and harder to hold, right?
It looked obvious from the camera that George had passed out.
Have you ever had any personal experience dealing with drug addicts or criminals?
Do you have any personal experience in martial arts, wrestling, any kind of chokes/holds, etc?
I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.
Consider it from the angle of the officer.
What part about it is "obvious?"
That he stopped moving? That he relaxed? For an officer that has worked over a decade on the streets, how many times do you think he saw that trick used?
There’s 3 police officers on him and the guy is handcuffed.
I think moving the knee from his neck to his shoulder after he passed out would have been safe.
Bro you are neither reading nor thinking.
You have zero experience with any kind of combat or sports holds.
Moving the knee to the shoulder means you're putting pressure on the diaphragm.
It would NOT have been safe. That's how you kill people.
Shut the fuck up with your emotional nonsense and actually try to learn something.
If they get anybody to say that putting a knee on his neck is recommended for unconscious people then I would change my mind.
But it looks like he didn’t give a fuck
How about instead of pulling horse shit out of your ass you try to work through it yourself?
What is the reason for putting a knee on the side back of the neck?
In cases of excited delirium for overdosing druggies that is exactly the recommended method.
Why do you think that is?
Hint: it's basic physics and body positioning.
You clearly have no experience with junkies or incredibly large men. You really shouldn't talk when you are this obviously naive.
If you prefer to listen to somebody with experience vs very large men - You should check out what Joe Rogan said about this
Oh another goalpost move! Now its not "other people are retarded as me" but "other person who is known for retarded opinions said thing, so its true!"
Good job ignoring that other response to jump back to this one though.
Also I'm a very large man, I don't need other people's experience to know what would fail to restrain me properly.
There's really not much reason for such hostility. We're all on the same side here. If this is what one of us thinks, then surely there will be many others outside our bubble who do as well, and it would serve us well to have great and not just good responses to them.
Half your time here is spent snarkily attacking our resident misogynist or "stormfront" types. I don't think you should be remarking about hostility towards our "side."
He goalpost moved twice everytime he was called out for how blatantly wrong he was, I don't find that worthy of responding with decorum.
I thought you'd surely bring up Milo.
I bet Nobody on the jury has experience restraining incredibly large men
So we've moved from what Chauvin should have done, to "well other people might be as retarded as me."
That's a good goalpost move, very subtle.
It's impossible to argue against it.
If the jury is stupid, and would convict you if you did X, even if there is nothing necessarily wrong with X, then you may want to consider not doing X.
Whether you're right or wrong makes not the slightest difference unless you manage to convince 12 inbred dimwits that you are right.
That's not what he said though. He said numerous times something overtly wrong about what should have been done, then when it was pointed out it was wrong changed topic to "well the jury is gonna be dumb."
That's probably correct, but that's a completely different conversation. He tried to pin the blame on Chauvin for an incorrect move, that's what was being called out.
What would that have changed? Giorgio still would have died, and the media would still blame the cops.
Probably nothing - I wouldn’t blame Chauvin if he got off his neck after he stopped moving.
He might still have died of his fentanyl
George was obviously high as a kite and lying about not being able to breathe/trying to hide drugs etc. Restraining him at this point was OK
But I don’t know what excuse Chauvin will give for kneeling on his neck after he passed out
Assuming he was only using enough force to keep him immobilized would you really want to release him when it's possible he'd wake up and just have to be immobilized again?
No need to release him - Chauvin could have put the knee on his shoulder after he passed out and checked his pulse.
Close shoulder or far shoulder?
Do you do BJJ with handcuffs and 3 people on you?
Yeah, but also Floyd was dead no matter what.
Yes. But kneeling on his neck wasn’t required after he stopped trying to hide drugs/resist arrest
Sure. But that's not murder, or even manslaughter.
Not murder. But sounds like manslaughter.
If I was on the jury I would convict him of his 2nd degree manslaughter charge
Floyd was going to die no matter what.
How is Chauvin at fault at all?
I’ll have to see what the medical evidence says.
But my suspicion is that pressure on your neck doesn’t help.
here's the autopsy
Surely, you'd look at the evidence first, and would convict him if the evidence warranted it.
Take Floyd's dick out of your mouth and use your brain for 5 seconds
He had no damage to his throat, but a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. What was preventing him from breathing was the drugs, not the standard procedure neck hold.