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And when he then stops faking it and attacks police, as has happened tens of thousands of times across the US in the last decade?
You're assuming cops should just trust violent black criminal drug addicts to behave as normal people. Absurd.
For all they knew he could have been in the downer phase of angel dust and been headed towards the eat-your-face-off phase.
u/SophiesBoyfriend is correct. He really didn't need to try and restrain the dude who had completely passed out at that point.
In fact, I'd bet money that's what they'll actually get him on: "hurr durr, you should have provided life-saving aid instead of holding his neck down = negligent homicide" or some such thing.
And yeah, he was gonna die no matter what with all the meth and fentanyl he ingested. No, he wasn't asphyxiated.
It actually kinda reminds me of the Eric Garner case. The cops didn't do anything wrong, but they didn't look like they were helping.
Difference is that Eric Garner may have actually been killed by negligence from the EMT's who preformed no life-saving efforts when he stopped breathing. If you're an EMT, and your patient stops breathing you should probably so something.
He's not right and you didn't read what I wrote.
Here's the two questions you need to answer:
Now let's take it even further beyond!
Had Chauvin had perfect knowledge of the situation, would he have been able to render aid at that point with what was available to him such that Floyd would have lived?
There is no justifiable situation whereby Chauvin was responsible for the death of George Floyd.
Floyd was a multipe-felon with a history of violent crime and drug abuse.
Stop making the mistake of thinking he could be treated as a normal, innocent bystander.
If George Floyd was a serial killer, and then started freaking out being clearly high on something, and then completely goes limp... for several minutes, and maybe even stops breathing, then kneeling on the back of his neck still doesn't do anything.
It neither restrains him, no asphyxiates him.
The biggest threat the officer had at that point, was from the crowd.
How could he tell that George wasn't faking it? For starters, it's a classic case of "Excited Delirium": dude is high as fuck, acting hysterical and controllable, then passing out, and dying of cardiac arrest. It's not the first time I've watched that play out in police footage, and I've even seen cops recognize the signs and realize "Oh shit, he's about to die" when the suspect basically fades out, and try CPR to get their heart started again.
Beyond that, he could check his pulse and his breathing. There's also a sternum rub and a few other tricks to try and wake people up to see if they are genuinely lights-out.
I was under the impression that their actions led to his death. Is that not true? Has my brain been addled by the propaganda as well?
As with the George Floyd case, the family claimed asphyxia, but this time: from a choke hold, and because "the police were all kneeling on him so his lungs couldn't expand and he couldn't breathe".
Thing is, the police officer tried to apply a blood choke, not a air-way choke. After fighting with the cops, Garner had a heart attack, and that's when he started struggling to breathe. Once he was in cuffs, all the cops got off of him.
He laid on the ground, with the cops holding him in a recovery position, struggling to breathe under the weight of his own fat, and suffering from a heart attack. Then the EMT's arrived... and did nothing.
We know that he was breathing when the police were on top of him because he was yelling and hyperventilating. When the EMT's arrive, you can see he is completely out. He basically looks dead. His chest isn't moving. The woman EMT claims she felt a pulse... but really didn't check for breathing at all. She kinda puts a hand on his diaphram... but it doesn't move either. It's only when the EMT's load him into the ambulance that they realize something has actually gone terribly wrong. By the time actual medics show up, they try to stimulate his heart, but now he's already dead. It's possible he did have some kind of a pulse. Typically, it's erratic when you have a heart attack and stop breathing.
None of the cops, bystanders, or EMT's seem to recognize how quietly people can die.
The cops are only responsible for Garner's death because the stress of the arrest may have induced the heart attack. ... and because illegally selling cigarettes is a stupid crime. But the blood choke didn't do anything, and the kneeling on him was to keep him from getting up.
I found the old r-EMS thread on Reddit that goes over it. The video that is linked in there was the second video of Garner's death, after the police had already gotten up off them. You can see from the responses they are all just going "what the fuck are you doing?!!" Only a handful jump onto the anti-police attitudes. The rest are listing out the shit that should have been done.
Anyways, when the courts got done with this incident, they didn't convict the cop who tried to apply a choke on him because although it wasn't procedure, he couldn't have known that Garner would die. Because of State Law, even Negligent Homicide, required some kind of intent on the part of the officer to basically kill Garner, or for him to be aware that his actions would kill Garner.
He couldn't have known that because that's not how the choke works, and he didn't want that, because he obviously stopped when Garner was subdued. The first video ends with Garner still alive while the Left screamed that we watched a video with Garner being murdered on it. The second video where he actually died from actual negligence is relatively unknown. That EMT crew never even faced charges.
Thanks for the explanation.
This is quite concerning to me. I hope that this is only when the police officer is acting legally. Because if a criminal throws a punch at me, and he just happens to kill me without intending to kill me, he should not be able to not be prosecuted for negligent homicide.
After George passed out Chauvin could have taken the knee off his neck and put it on his shoulder or something.
With his weight on him He still would not be at risk of being attacked
You're missing the point.
How would Chauvin have known that Floyd passed out and wasn't either putting on an act or out because of the effects of a drug like bath salts?
You realize that would make much easier to restrict breathing or blood flow while being more unstable and harder to hold, right?
It looked obvious from the camera that George had passed out.
Have you ever had any personal experience dealing with drug addicts or criminals?
Do you have any personal experience in martial arts, wrestling, any kind of chokes/holds, etc?
I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.
Consider it from the angle of the officer.
What part about it is "obvious?"
That he stopped moving? That he relaxed? For an officer that has worked over a decade on the streets, how many times do you think he saw that trick used?
If they get anybody to say that putting a knee on his neck is recommended for unconscious people then I would change my mind.
But it looks like he didn’t give a fuck
How about instead of pulling horse shit out of your ass you try to work through it yourself?
What is the reason for putting a knee on the side back of the neck?
In cases of excited delirium for overdosing druggies that is exactly the recommended method.
Why do you think that is?
Hint: it's basic physics and body positioning.
You clearly have no experience with junkies or incredibly large men. You really shouldn't talk when you are this obviously naive.
I bet Nobody on the jury has experience restraining incredibly large men
So we've moved from what Chauvin should have done, to "well other people might be as retarded as me."
That's a good goalpost move, very subtle.
If you prefer to listen to somebody with experience vs very large men - You should check out what Joe Rogan said about this
Oh another goalpost move! Now its not "other people are retarded as me" but "other person who is known for retarded opinions said thing, so its true!"
Good job ignoring that other response to jump back to this one though.
Also I'm a very large man, I don't need other people's experience to know what would fail to restrain me properly.
I thought you'd surely bring up Milo.