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George Floyd has been sober for 308 days.
But seriously - Chauvin should have got off his neck after he clearly passed out...
And when he then stops faking it and attacks police, as has happened tens of thousands of times across the US in the last decade?
You're assuming cops should just trust violent black criminal drug addicts to behave as normal people. Absurd.
For all they knew he could have been in the downer phase of angel dust and been headed towards the eat-your-face-off phase.
u/SophiesBoyfriend is correct. He really didn't need to try and restrain the dude who had completely passed out at that point.
In fact, I'd bet money that's what they'll actually get him on: "hurr durr, you should have provided life-saving aid instead of holding his neck down = negligent homicide" or some such thing.
And yeah, he was gonna die no matter what with all the meth and fentanyl he ingested. No, he wasn't asphyxiated.
It actually kinda reminds me of the Eric Garner case. The cops didn't do anything wrong, but they didn't look like they were helping.
Difference is that Eric Garner may have actually been killed by negligence from the EMT's who preformed no life-saving efforts when he stopped breathing. If you're an EMT, and your patient stops breathing you should probably so something.
He's not right and you didn't read what I wrote.
Here's the two questions you need to answer:
Now let's take it even further beyond!
Had Chauvin had perfect knowledge of the situation, would he have been able to render aid at that point with what was available to him such that Floyd would have lived?
There is no justifiable situation whereby Chauvin was responsible for the death of George Floyd.
Floyd was a multipe-felon with a history of violent crime and drug abuse.
Stop making the mistake of thinking he could be treated as a normal, innocent bystander.
If George Floyd was a serial killer, and then started freaking out being clearly high on something, and then completely goes limp... for several minutes, and maybe even stops breathing, then kneeling on the back of his neck still doesn't do anything.
It neither restrains him, no asphyxiates him.
The biggest threat the officer had at that point, was from the crowd.
How could he tell that George wasn't faking it? For starters, it's a classic case of "Excited Delirium": dude is high as fuck, acting hysterical and controllable, then passing out, and dying of cardiac arrest. It's not the first time I've watched that play out in police footage, and I've even seen cops recognize the signs and realize "Oh shit, he's about to die" when the suspect basically fades out, and try CPR to get their heart started again.
Beyond that, he could check his pulse and his breathing. There's also a sternum rub and a few other tricks to try and wake people up to see if they are genuinely lights-out.
I was under the impression that their actions led to his death. Is that not true? Has my brain been addled by the propaganda as well?
As with the George Floyd case, the family claimed asphyxia, but this time: from a choke hold, and because "the police were all kneeling on him so his lungs couldn't expand and he couldn't breathe".
Thing is, the police officer tried to apply a blood choke, not a air-way choke. After fighting with the cops, Garner had a heart attack, and that's when he started struggling to breathe. Once he was in cuffs, all the cops got off of him.
He laid on the ground, with the cops holding him in a recovery position, struggling to breathe under the weight of his own fat, and suffering from a heart attack. Then the EMT's arrived... and did nothing.
We know that he was breathing when the police were on top of him because he was yelling and hyperventilating. When the EMT's arrive, you can see he is completely out. He basically looks dead. His chest isn't moving. The woman EMT claims she felt a pulse... but really didn't check for breathing at all. She kinda puts a hand on his diaphram... but it doesn't move either. It's only when the EMT's load him into the ambulance that they realize something has actually gone terribly wrong. By the time actual medics show up, they try to stimulate his heart, but now he's already dead. It's possible he did have some kind of a pulse. Typically, it's erratic when you have a heart attack and stop breathing.
None of the cops, bystanders, or EMT's seem to recognize how quietly people can die.
The cops are only responsible for Garner's death because the stress of the arrest may have induced the heart attack. ... and because illegally selling cigarettes is a stupid crime. But the blood choke didn't do anything, and the kneeling on him was to keep him from getting up.
I found the old r-EMS thread on Reddit that goes over it. The video that is linked in there was the second video of Garner's death, after the police had already gotten up off them. You can see from the responses they are all just going "what the fuck are you doing?!!" Only a handful jump onto the anti-police attitudes. The rest are listing out the shit that should have been done.
Anyways, when the courts got done with this incident, they didn't convict the cop who tried to apply a choke on him because although it wasn't procedure, he couldn't have known that Garner would die. Because of State Law, even Negligent Homicide, required some kind of intent on the part of the officer to basically kill Garner, or for him to be aware that his actions would kill Garner.
He couldn't have known that because that's not how the choke works, and he didn't want that, because he obviously stopped when Garner was subdued. The first video ends with Garner still alive while the Left screamed that we watched a video with Garner being murdered on it. The second video where he actually died from actual negligence is relatively unknown. That EMT crew never even faced charges.
After George passed out Chauvin could have taken the knee off his neck and put it on his shoulder or something.
With his weight on him He still would not be at risk of being attacked
You're missing the point.
How would Chauvin have known that Floyd passed out and wasn't either putting on an act or out because of the effects of a drug like bath salts?
You realize that would make much easier to restrict breathing or blood flow while being more unstable and harder to hold, right?
It looked obvious from the camera that George had passed out.
If they get anybody to say that putting a knee on his neck is recommended for unconscious people then I would change my mind.
But it looks like he didn’t give a fuck
You clearly have no experience with junkies or incredibly large men. You really shouldn't talk when you are this obviously naive.
I bet Nobody on the jury has experience restraining incredibly large men
If you prefer to listen to somebody with experience vs very large men - You should check out what Joe Rogan said about this
What would that have changed? Giorgio still would have died, and the media would still blame the cops.
Probably nothing - I wouldn’t blame Chauvin if he got off his neck after he stopped moving.
He might still have died of his fentanyl
George was obviously high as a kite and lying about not being able to breathe/trying to hide drugs etc. Restraining him at this point was OK
But I don’t know what excuse Chauvin will give for kneeling on his neck after he passed out
Assuming he was only using enough force to keep him immobilized would you really want to release him when it's possible he'd wake up and just have to be immobilized again?
Yeah, but also Floyd was dead no matter what.
Yes. But kneeling on his neck wasn’t required after he stopped trying to hide drugs/resist arrest
Sure. But that's not murder, or even manslaughter.
Not murder. But sounds like manslaughter.
If I was on the jury I would convict him of his 2nd degree manslaughter charge
Take Floyd's dick out of your mouth and use your brain for 5 seconds
He had no damage to his throat, but a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. What was preventing him from breathing was the drugs, not the standard procedure neck hold.