High school teacher. TLDR a coworker recently lost her husband. He was in his early 50s and had an "extremely aggressive cancer". Months within diagnosis, he was dead.
Caught her completely off guard, etc etc etc, nothing to do, "ultra-fast spreading cancer," "he was in perfect health before," etc etc etc.
So anyway, funeral has just concluded last week-end, and she's telling her sob stories in the teacher lounge.
I turn around and ask:
"Did he get vaccinated against Covid?"
She replies right away: "Yes, he had all his doses, plus the boosters..."
Then... I smirk. Not smile, just a tiny, tiny smile on the bottom of my right lip. In my mind, I thought "mystery solved."
So anyway, she... I don't know, she completely flips out, starts screaming, "why are you asking me this, what is your problem" typical pre-menopause hysteria, etc.
Well apparently she filed a complaint with HR against me, and now I have to meet HR to discuss "something." Union rep will be with me LOL okay.
Did I really go too far? I mean, I just asked ONE question...
So you're a high school teacher. You know you're surrounded by die-hard NPCs. And you ask your coworker if her dead husband was vaccinated and then you smirk?
Honest question. Are you retarded or are you just larping?
We should applaud OP for showing the slightest about of resistance and not demonize him for not remaining silent.
OP should stay cool, play dumb, and if backed into a corner remind HR that she was the one who brought up her personal medical troubles to the workplace. “I will refrain from discussing personal medical issues at work and I would expect my colleagues to do the same.” No further explanation and details about your personal opinion. They are irrelevant. “I am here only to talk about the performance of my assigned duties.”
/Be the change you want to see in the world.
That post is written like a typical karma farming reddit story. Only AITA is missing from it.
You sound like a faggot taking the side of the triple vaxxed bitch widow.
Are you going to try to help the guy or not?
Go back to ConPro where you belong.
Help with what? Upvote farming?
Yes. And please point me to the store where I can redeem those upvotes for anything of value, or even anything anyone would give a f about./s to be sure, you seem pretty daft
first of all how dare yo u
Might be a perfect time to play dumb & Reverse Uno this situation.
I assume OP is a Leaf, and even worse a French one in Quebec. Which is commie Zero COVID central.
Being found out as an anti-vaxer in these parts is akin to being discovered to be a neonazi. Good chance his own union will ghost him for wrongthink.
The Reverse Uno in this case would be to pretend to be a Zero COVidiot himself. Claim to have asked the question innocently about the vax status of the deceased over concern with their possible Long COVID status and the fact that COVID is always lurking around every corner. And obviously can cause every fatal consequence known to man.
There's zero social cost to remaining a masked COVidian in 2026. In fact, if OP could pull if off, it may act as camouflage to save his ass as they won't want to single out one of their gay race communism own.
I disagree. She wasn't addressing the OP, she was talking to other people and OP overheard. Why did he feel like he had a right to say anything
Good men remaining silent is responsible for so many things wrong with this ClownWorld gynocracy.
I disagree that this is a "good men remaining silent" situation. There is nothing positive to be gained by smirking and implying that someone's death was their own fault because they took the vaccine, especially to their newly grieving widow.
OP's question and reaction could even be interpreted as OP suggesting the husband deserved to die for making the mistake of getting the shot. I don't think he should lose his job or anything, but I think those comments were unkind.
The problem with always hiding your powerlevel is that it's usually in your best interest to keep your ass out of trouble as an individual, but often self-censorship creates a tragedy of the commons as a whole.
Commies like this hysterical widow don't feel the need to censor themselves at all. They openly reee about Trump, Elon Musk, the evil local RW party, the evil Yanks, etc. She was likely monopolizing the conversation about her dead hubby in the staffroom to gain sympathy points.
And the first thing she did when someone asked a slightly heterodox question to interrupt her pity party was to run to HR to punish the wrongthinker. To mete out vengeance, to cost him his livelihood & exile him forever.
What OP did may not have been "kind". But being ruled by Karens & their longhoused rules about "kindness" & "human decency" play a huge part why the West is so feminized & cucked.
I iceberg it. I show enough to get my views across but there's still a massive amount under the surface
To me, the bigger concern is what can reasonably be construed as gloating over the death of a coworker's husband. Whether you're pro-vaccine BS or not, it's really not something that should happen in a workplace.
I'll address what I think is the separate issue that you're focusing on: I agree, leftists don't self-censor whereas non-leftists do (but shouldn't be pressured to). However fair or unfair you think that is, the consequences for these groups speaking their minds are completely different.
Has OP meaningfully changed anything by standing up for his beliefs in this manner? No, he may have thrown his career away. With some perseverance and cleverness, could he have affected school policy to be slightly less woke in some way? Probably. Wouldn't that have been better?
It's about picking your battles, not doing nothing.
Shut up faggot. Every Democrat celebrated if a non-vaxxed person died from covid
Your double standards are jewish.
"My" double standards aren't mine, and they have consequences whether you like it or not. Faggot. Go practice what you preach and do your vlad larping in public. Faggot.
Really stupid take given the context.
That is a fair point. It is similar to asking if someone with lung cancer smoked or if someone with skin cancer would go to tanning beds. It is a coping mechanism we use to try to assign blame or cause in a complex world.
It can be viewed as insensitive, but nothing this rises to the level of disciplinary actions.
I am only addressing the problem at hand. The HR talk.
OP can work on his autism by developing his ability to suppress the questions everyone else chooses to leave as a thought.
...if said person, and society at large, were in complete denial of the link between the two and actively hiding correlations.
Not at all. It is an attempt to wake people up to the fact that blindly trusting authorities with your health can lead directly to your unnecessary death. Same as DDT, thalidomide, and yes, smoking. We know powerful interests intentionally hid those links and caused many more deaths than would have occured otherwise. We know they're doing it now. This is as much for her good as for OPs in that it just might make her reconsider doing such a foolish thing in the future.
The coworker introduced a personal issue in a professional environment; totally unnecessary. OP responded with his personal beliefs. Was that unprofessional? Sure, but she opened that door when she decided to force her coworkers to listen to her personal problems (something therapists get paid good money for).
Then she went crying to HR.
If I were OP, I'd inform HR that the discussion of turbo cancer triggered my own trauma around Covid and suggest that such a sensitive conversation is not appropriate to have in the break room. If they press, I'd suggest that OP going to HR over this matter suggests that she may be lashing out as a result of trauma and needs to take more berevement leave so she can leave her personal issues at home.
Are you Japanese?
I am not
Why did you feel you had the right to comment?
Because the comment is directed outward to everyone, not a conversation between a private group I happened to overhear. It's not comparable.
People yapping in the breakroom isn't private
Well I won't mourn the next school shooting if the vaxxed widow is victimized by one of the kids she trannied.
It’s at a funeral of her husband you sociopathic fuck.
I’m hoping this is just a Reddit-style creative writing exercise..
It was after the funeral. He said she was talking about it in the teacher's lounge.
True, but it was pretty fresh though. With the funeral being "last week-end," the husband likely passed within the last two weeks. I don't think it's kind to ask questions like OP did given that context.
Correct. My bad. I was drunk.
Reading comprehension fail.
Good call out.
I guess im retarded.
I wont lie: a part of me really, really, REALLY hope I get fired.
I'd get like 30 weeks of paid home to do nothing. im sick to death of teaching.
When you go IMMEDIATELY tell the HR Karen you're glad for the meeting. She was screaming and you feel physically unsafe at your job because of her actions and that she may need some time off for grieving.
You're afraid she's going to shoot up the school / other or commit workplace violence based on her behavior at the time. She's recently gone through a lot of stress at the loss of a loved one and is looking to lash out at people, even being the one to initiate the confrontation by way of telling everyone.
Her behavior is clearly displaying a high potential for the workplace unsafe and you are afraid of serious death or injury due to workplace violence at her hand.
Make sure this is all written down and ASK FOR A PRINT COPY AND AN EMAIL COPY AND MAKE SURE YOU RECEIVE BOTH WHILE YOU ARE THERE. DO NOT RELY ON PROMISES OF A LATER COPY.
Then, to be extra diligent, if/when you get fired, file an OSHA whistleblower complaint that a coworker was showing a high likelyhood for workplace violence, lashed out at you, tried to weaponize HR, and when you expressed your concerned about physical safety in the workplace *to* HR, you were retaliated against.
https://www.osha.gov/whistleblower/wbcomplaint
This. Do not rely on charity, understanding, or policy to defend yourself. Go nuclear on her, and make her defend her actions.
She would do the same to you.
The problem is that OP is like male.
The accusation game and benefit of the doubt rarely works in the opposite direction.
Because men don't.
Of course women will never play by their own rules if men just let them get away with it. Somebody needs to be the first to stand up.
"Rarely" still happens. Better than the 0% of sitting there and taking it. OP is clearly an autist, they can probably play a "neurodivergence concern" card.
This is exactly why I suggested filing a whistleblower complaint with OSHA if he was fired.
Also, OP responded that things did not end well for the unhinged lady.
This should be higher. Repost it as a top level comment so it is more visible. This is how he can win
Just a followup, I did pretty much what you told me, and said I wanted to file a complaint for "singling me out and insulting me" in front of everyone. It.... didn't go the way the female teacher hoped.
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U arent retarded. Everybody complains about how everything gets worse but the second a guy says anything but gets on his knees and sucks dick all the cowards clown on him.
Cucks with no balls won't even ask a question. This is why everything sucks and our culture is surrounded by a bunch of faggots that just blame anybody for standing up for anything, even minutely like asking a question.
These dudes would sit there and watch their neighbors get executed while blaming them. "Should have just hid under the floor boards forever, retard"
They are spiritual boomers who will literally stand up for nothing and bitch about anybody that makes them face that reality.
What you call cowardice I call stupidity. He didn't stand up for his beliefs, he threw away an opportunity to stand up for his beliefs.
Yes ive heard this already. Anything but silence and grovelling is stupidity. Don't get involved. Don't have a family. Just stack money quietly, abdicate all authority and all power, and then hide in the woods with your supplies alone.
Based and welfareniggerpilled
The wellfare part is redundant.
Then I don't understand why you would ask us if you went too far.
"Just don't even speak or ask a question or breath. Lay so low you are literally a worm bro"
my immediate thought
larping
He embellished the history of being a teacher in Quebec from a previous legitimate user here (canada_is_communist or something similar) .
Yeah I have 2 faces, my professional face and my actual personality that can be snarky.
Around strangers and 'enemy territory' I only show my professional side so appear neutral, polite and civil.
Those that get to know me in the workplace or friends to the point I KNOW them too, get to know my REAL opinions and snark.
You unfortunately with that question and smirk let your true opinions known in enemy territory. Your best bet would be to refer to any study regarding the vaccines and say you asked because you heard they could be a factor with a certain vaccine and concerned she could be the same. Use 'empathy' against them so they just think you're 'misguided' than an 'alt right MAGA bro'.
Agreed, but why is she allowed to do this?
By constantly backing down, we let women like this create unhealthy parasocial relationships with captive coworkers; not good for her, not good for him.
OP is autistic lmao
Always hide your power level at work. Your coworkers are not your friends, so don't shit where you eat.
True, the coworker should take this advice.
Discussion in teachers lounge more than a week after funeral: all who use the lounge may participate in the conversation there is no expectation of privacy. A question about the departed’s health and condition totally fine and appropriate. Vax status ok to ask about. Widow of course does not need to answer nor engage with any individual. Smirking about death of a colleague’s spouse is a no class move.
Turbo cancer is real. Hopefully, HR realizes there is little to go on here.
You work in a vagina factory all day and you were surprised that you work with a bunch of pussies?
You shouldn’t be saying anything based at work as a K-12 teacher. You will get fired. You SHOULD be looking the other way when teenage boys say based things at school rather than getting them in trouble like their dumb bitch female teachers do.
Almost as many pussies as there are replying in this thread.
No wonder the government shits in your mouth, calls it ice cream, and gets away with it every time. You people are pathetic.
High schools are leftist territory. In order to survive, you will have to conceal any non-leftist opinions you may have. You almost certainly know this already.
Should what you asked and how you reacted result in some kind of HR sanction? No, it shouldn't, even though I think your question and reaction were indelicate and would probably be frowned on by most people.
Is it reasonable to expect that your behaviour would result in some kind of HR sanction given that you work in established leftist territory? Yes, I think so.
I do appreciate your pushback against covid nonsense, but it was undeniably risky given the context and timing and the gravity of the situation. You might say it's cowardly, but I'd encourage you to pick your battles, but also to be considerate even to those you think deserve their negative outcomes.
Everything is leftist territory. Its time to stand up a little for something or get rooted out and murdered anyway.
The woman lost her husband within the last two weeks. Smirking at his death and implying it was his own fault in a professional environment is not "standing up."
"No smiling"
"You should smile
moreless""Particularly in the weeks following some foid losing her beta buxx mealticket"
Neither is her bitching about it.
I want to eat my lunch without having to avoid breaking Janet's eggshells.
Stand up to women taking advantage of their professional colleages as emotional tampons.
This situation remains of the sudden death of YouTuber "Camping With Steve" Wallis when his "Beautiful Wife" Jess in her 30s IIRC died in her sleep a few years back. She was a (?music?) teacher as well I believe.
This was in the midst of a lot of other "died suddenly" high profile cases during the vax booster push.
Wallis was understandably devastated, but also remained deeply in denial. He lived in Alberta, Canada and had bought a rural bank repo'd cabin that he was renovating with her. He was known for his urban stealth camping vids, doing overnight stays in Western Canada in drain pipes, behind town Welcome signs, in the woods behind big box stores, etc.
Steve stopped posting for months after the sudden death. It led to some speculation over her jab status as well. There were even a few small heterodox YouTubers suggesting that it could be the jab or even foul play that he had killed his wife.
Wallis eventually returned, but was a changed man. He was weepy & weak. He openly called out the haters & wrongthinkers speculating at the cause of his wife's tragic death. He kept sporadically posting half-hearted vids for years, but never to my knowledge ever addressed the cause. He eventually started dating a woman/fan from the US last I checked.
His community on YT & Reddit were ferocious in sweeping up any questions or speculation related to her death. They mass reported any other small YTubers who made vids about the topic. IIRC, Wallis himself also somehow got a Swedisn YouTuber served with a cease & desist to stop producing any content about the matter.
You turned the light on in her head and made her realize that she may be next. What you saw is the physical manifestation of cognitive dissonance.
If you want to keep your job just play dumb and act like you had no idea it was offensive.
Ask HR if they will protect you from her emotional outbursts. Maybe suggest she is still too emotional and in mourning to return to work.
Also turn the tables. Say you are concerned for your safety because of her angry emotional outbursts and unpredictability.
Also suggest that if women can't control their emotions in the workplace then maybe they aren't cut out for the job.
Yes.
It is completely unprofessional to allow personal matter to enter into a workplace environment. It is not OPs fault that this happened and he should not be required to hear about it while trying to take his break, of all places.
For everyone bitching about "muh time and place": get the tampon out of your ass and assert your right to keep your private and professional life separate. She brought up personal shit and tattled to HR when OP responded with his personal opinions.
We didn't used to need to mop up tears in addition to doing our jobs, and we sure aren't getting overtime or hazard pay for doing so. In fact, I have no doubt that OPs employer has free supports and benefits in place for just such an issue. That's who she should be speaking to, not the entire break room.
If women (or anyone else) can't maintain professionalism, they should not be in the professions.
Remember, when you are dealing with these people VICTIMHOOD it what they worship.
It's all about who the bigger fake victim is
So you have to play the part of the victim.
She's victimizing YOU.
You'll be fine. Just make sure to tell HR how much everyone clapped.
You shouldn't have asked. One of the most common mistakes is attempts to diagnose a problem when someone is grieving.
Yes, she's FAFO, but that doesn't solve the tragedy.
It's wild to me that people's stupid beliefs are now costing them their jobs.
Leaf teachers' unions will work harder to defend pedo sex pests & trannies than they will anti-vaxxers.
You kind of earned this one. HR meeting is taking it a bit far, but she's absolutely in the right to go off on you for this. Time and place my man, time and place.
Autism.
Based.
Double down, bro. If they ask you any stupid questions, ask if they got jabbed. It does cause brain fog, after all.
Edit: I was thinking more about this and y'know what? Fuck this bitch!
Did you ask her about this personal tragedy, or did she just feel the right to dump it on her professional colleagues? What fucking entitlement! It's not your job to be her emotional tampon. How does hearing about this affect your mental health; anyone ask you that?
If she can't handle your (pretty bloody benign) comments about something incredibly sensitive to her, she shouldn't have brought it up at work.
Did you need to know about her dead husband to do your job? Did anyone? No? Then she's acting unprofessionally and has no right to complain about how you deal with being forced to perform emotional labour on behalf of someone else.
That's how I would answer. Clean it up but, basically, her totally unnecessary trauma dumping in the common break room caused you emotional stress which, in turn, triggered your own trauma around Covid. No doubt there are supports like berevement leave or paid counselling; if she wants to talk about it, those are appropriate venues. Or friends, in private. NOT the communal break room. If she doesn't like how you reacted, she shouldn't have brought it up, obviously expecting unilateral sympathy.
For me, the lies and gaslighting by health agencies, media, and actual doctors around the safety and efficacy of the Covid shots caused severe adverse mental health outcomes; I've had people close to me die of turbo cancers and brain aneurysms and been told I was a "conspiracy theorist" for suggesting the shots as a culprit which has seriously affected many of my personal relationships as well as my faith in my government and my society as a whole. I had to suck it up for years, and now I'm done. I suspect that, given your reaction, you've had similar experiences. Why should we have to tip-toe on eggshells for the people who told us to take the poison and stop making waves so they could be gifted their "rights" back?
Uh. You really should choose another career path.
No, we need good teachers, not more cat-lady daycare clients.
Yeah, I'd say so.
She just lost her husband, and you come in with conspiracy theories. You do know that cancer existed before covid, right?
It suddenly becomes just a "conspiracy theory" again the very second it makes some grieving foid big mad.
“Again”? It always has been lol
People act like cancer or heart attacks never happened before Covid shots lol
Given your circumstances, yeah that was a pretty dumb move. Not sure why you’re whining to us about it. It was clearly intentional to connect the cancer with the vax and you literally asked the widow at the funeral. Jesus Christ.
Again, same commenter, but reading comprehension fail. It was at work in the staff room.
I admit I was drunk. lol
Still retarded move though.
The answer to which had zero value to you.
You stirred the shit pot. Now it's overflowing onto your lap. And you want.. what from us?
Yea buddy.. you're covered in shit.. and it's only your fault.
Now you're going to have to lie through your teeth to keep your job.
You fucked up. You'll be fine though. Just claim you were curious and that's all. Express your concern how you'd have never even been in a situation to say what you said if she wasn't bringing up her personal problems at work which is entirely inappropriate. Suggest she should dial down her personal conversations and if she can't then perhaps she needs mire time for bereavement or counceling until she's fine to work without bringing up her personal struggles.
Depending on how this goes, your new job might become suing your school/district for unlawful termination or a hostile work environment.
He revealed his Power Level.
NEVER reveal your Power Level.
Aka shes a woman and im a man, and this is Quebec.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but ... you write like a karma farming LLM bot on Reddit. ;)