I will keep hammering this point home, even if some hate to hear it:
I don't care how you feel about porn. I think pornography is bad. But - and this is huge - the current battleground is not about porn. Every single law is being pushed to further their goal of clamping down on internet speech. The powers that be can't continue to let us speak freely online; stopping that is one of their biggest goals.
You can hate porn all you want, but it's being used as a wedge to get rid of the only tool that let the right make such a big comeback, after the left's long march through the institutions.
The online right is dead in the water, if our opponents (and alleged allies) get their way. Free speech is more important than banning porn. It just is. And just like with gun control, banning porn doesn't actually even solve the issue. It just makes people feel warm and fuzzy.
These retards think banning porn will fix the West’s collapsing birthrates. Because once again, it’s all men’s fault that we’re not having babies. Men are jerking off all day because the option to do so exists, not because women are wasting 80% of their fertility windows on school, partying, and careers.
Our collapsing birthrates are directly correlated with the number of years that women spend in school. The only way to fix our birthrates is to completely reverse the effects of feminism. But you won’t see cuckservatives advocating to restrict female behavior in any way, so the below-replacement birthrates are going to be an evergreen problem, one that is simultaneously the greatest threat to civilization and also somehow completely unsolvable. Probably by design; as long as we are not permitted to address the real cause of birthrate collapse, assholes will have a convenient pretext to enact whatever “solutions” they can convince people to swallow.
These retards think banning porn will fix the West’s collapsing birthrates.
Honestly, I think that's still giving them too much credit. It's often not even about birthrates, sometimes it's as simple as "porn is icky" and "degeneracy bad." Which, sure, fine. But it's literally feels over reals, which is ironic since it's coming from "our" side of the aisle on this one.
Degeneracy is bad. But ending online anonymity and free speech isn't the answer, and it's not even worth the cost. Want to stop porn? Make the argument, tell people why it's bad, tell parents they should be keeping a closer eye on things. There will never be a perfect answer, sadly...just like there isn't with guns. Someone will find a way to misuse guns no matter what, someone who shouldn't have access to porn will get porn, no matter what. And shit parents who wittingly or unwittingly provide access to such things will always exist.
But we can't make laws on feels, and we can't violate people's rights, on either guns or speech. We have to be pragmatic. Any bill banning VPNs or requiring IDs for the internet should never be allowed off the starting line, no matter how good the rest of it is. And if it's built on such a shit foundation it's usually not good anyway.
The only thing they would be able to get away with is banning live action porn production for safety and trafficking reasons, anything else WILL be considered tyranny and will be ignored, challenged in court, and cause voter bleed.
If you stopped defending porn being available more people would defend free speech. Poisoning free speech with porn only allows attacks on free speech.
Its the same with guns, allowing whackos like trannies or violent nons legal access to firearms invites further regulation.
We need to distance our ideas of the 1st and 2nd amendments from these bad elements to cover that which was their original intent, which did NOT include lewd and salacious material as protected speech.
Poisoning free speech with porn only allows attacks on free speech.
You have it backward. They're the ones throwing anti-speech stuff into the anti-porn stuff, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Again, it's not about porn. This bans VPNs and stuff. It's a speech crackdown, not a porn crackdown.
Stop defending this dystopian nonsense. The government doesn't provide solutions, it only consolidates more power for itself. This is just more "think of the children" manipulations to get you to cheer them fucking us harder.
We need to distance our ideas of the 1st and 2nd amendments from these bad elements to cover that which was their original intent, which did NOT include lewd and salacious material as protected speech.
This is the traditional conservative position, but even if porn isn't free speech, that still doesn't justify such totalitarian measures as proposed in these laws.
This SHOULD be eviscerated by the supreme Court as this just violates the 1st amendment and free commerce in SO many ways.
Take from a Blue state to go THIS overboard but this seems designed to piss off Democrat voters AND Republican voters who aren't tech illiterate boomers.
You gotta understand a large chunk of Michigan is basically little Pakistan with all of the Muslims congregating in Dearborn, Hamtramck, Detroit, etc. and this absolutely aligns with wanting to pander to those people
Republicans are pretty determined to lose the midterms, but Democrats are just doing too well at imploding their party. So expect Republicans to ramp up every unpopular position they can think of between now and then to make it happen.
The uni party Replicans honestly want to keep being paid to lose, but offer the PR image of incompetently trying to fight to win. Actually winning means responsibility for shit.
For God's sake... I am in the middle of moving to MI SPECIFICALLY to get away from the UK's miserable laws! I don't need them to follow me there, please.
In the abstract I would definitely 'trade porn for trannies' because I oppose both and removing both would only be a massive benefit to society.
In practice you would need to trust the government of satanic pedophiles to actually enact this, so until we have a based state of authoritarian chads who think exactly like me, I'll continue to advocate for zero-power-governance for these fucks.
Yeah, good luck with that!
I wonder how much of this is Muslim driven? They're totally opposed to p0rn iirc? Heck, female ankles and wrists are haram...
Muslims are the only ones high enough on the pecking order to challenge troons on things that don't implicate female privilege, so they're probably the ones taking the lead.
They make the entire process they seem to love & approve of? Utterly meaningless with non-stop downvote stalking.
If they think it matters? Save it for when you mean it. Like with swearing: if you swear non-stop? What do you say when you actually want to swear? "Gosh golly-dang it!" ???
If they don't think it matters? Why are they doing it? Are they at kindergarten intelligence levels? 😽
Watch them remove much of what content is banned, while retaining Live ID verrification ( the only goal behind this ubiquitus push to tie your real name to your online activities ).
These things are more of a privacy issue than a free speech issue. They aren't stopping anyone from producing or viewing porn, but they are using this for surveillance. As always, the real agenda is cracking down on dissidents.
Michigan sends me messages on LinkedIn literally begging me to move there. If you have to pay for a big advertisement campaign to beg capable people to move to your state, you probably shouldn't pull retarded shit like this. If some state actually somehow followed through with a ban of anime and manga that didn't get struck down by the courts, they would instantly become number 1 on my list of shithole states.
Republicans really think this will lead to more White babies.
I really have come to hate Republicans. I'm definitely voting for Democrats during the next election and am thinking strongly about changing my party affiliation as well because Republicans no longer represent my interests.
There are a lot of naive people who think censorship will stop at canceling leftists for saying mean words on the internet when all it is is getting censorship's foot in the door to take everything you enjoy and make it impossible for anyone to make any political commentary that isn't state-sanctioned slop.
They've hated the porn. They've always hated the porn. Most probably still use porn or use Grindr or cheat on their wives and it doesn't matter because they'll still sign laws ban porn. And you bet your ass they're going to rewrite definitions to take your anime away too because they view sexy female characters as nothing but a distraction from you knocking up a real woman so she can pump out more state slaves.
At best it will be like the UAE where the filthy rich get to indulge in things people will rot in jail for. But they're not going to fully ban women from the work place, oh no. Get that "but if I keep supporting them eventually they'll kill off feminism before they ban my videogames and anime and porn!" out of your head because they will never, ever, let it be normal again for a man to work a job that will pays enough to support his working class or higher family. They'll thank suckers that continue to believe otherwise. They'll continue to send jobs off overseas if they aren't importing foreigners and writing new laws to let them do it faster. America is going to get poorer, America is going to get stupider, America is going to get weaker and sicker, and they're going to make it illegal for you to complain about it. You're going to open wide and swallow it all down and if you puke they'll make you lick it up.
The government has become American's very own private equity firm to hollow out and gut it like a jack-o-lantern. Grats to all the winners because it ain't you.
In any place in the world in real life you need to pay for porn and show ID. This idea that you’re entitled to free porn forever as a basic human right is beyond degenerate.
Now, yes. They are using this as a wedge issue to destroy free speech, but porn itself, is not free speech.
I will keep hammering this point home, even if some hate to hear it:
I don't care how you feel about porn. I think pornography is bad. But - and this is huge - the current battleground is not about porn. Every single law is being pushed to further their goal of clamping down on internet speech. The powers that be can't continue to let us speak freely online; stopping that is one of their biggest goals.
You can hate porn all you want, but it's being used as a wedge to get rid of the only tool that let the right make such a big comeback, after the left's long march through the institutions.
The online right is dead in the water, if our opponents (and alleged allies) get their way. Free speech is more important than banning porn. It just is. And just like with gun control, banning porn doesn't actually even solve the issue. It just makes people feel warm and fuzzy.
The internet must remain free, or we lose.
And people are retarded enough to not just let them get away with it, but to cheer and help them do it.
I have nothing to add other than my visceral support and overwhelming contempt for those who refuse to understand the importance of this fight.
These retards think banning porn will fix the West’s collapsing birthrates. Because once again, it’s all men’s fault that we’re not having babies. Men are jerking off all day because the option to do so exists, not because women are wasting 80% of their fertility windows on school, partying, and careers.
Our collapsing birthrates are directly correlated with the number of years that women spend in school. The only way to fix our birthrates is to completely reverse the effects of feminism. But you won’t see cuckservatives advocating to restrict female behavior in any way, so the below-replacement birthrates are going to be an evergreen problem, one that is simultaneously the greatest threat to civilization and also somehow completely unsolvable. Probably by design; as long as we are not permitted to address the real cause of birthrate collapse, assholes will have a convenient pretext to enact whatever “solutions” they can convince people to swallow.
Honestly, I think that's still giving them too much credit. It's often not even about birthrates, sometimes it's as simple as "porn is icky" and "degeneracy bad." Which, sure, fine. But it's literally feels over reals, which is ironic since it's coming from "our" side of the aisle on this one.
Degeneracy is bad. But ending online anonymity and free speech isn't the answer, and it's not even worth the cost. Want to stop porn? Make the argument, tell people why it's bad, tell parents they should be keeping a closer eye on things. There will never be a perfect answer, sadly...just like there isn't with guns. Someone will find a way to misuse guns no matter what, someone who shouldn't have access to porn will get porn, no matter what. And shit parents who wittingly or unwittingly provide access to such things will always exist.
But we can't make laws on feels, and we can't violate people's rights, on either guns or speech. We have to be pragmatic. Any bill banning VPNs or requiring IDs for the internet should never be allowed off the starting line, no matter how good the rest of it is. And if it's built on such a shit foundation it's usually not good anyway.
The only thing they would be able to get away with is banning live action porn production for safety and trafficking reasons, anything else WILL be considered tyranny and will be ignored, challenged in court, and cause voter bleed.
If you stopped defending porn being available more people would defend free speech. Poisoning free speech with porn only allows attacks on free speech.
Its the same with guns, allowing whackos like trannies or violent nons legal access to firearms invites further regulation.
We need to distance our ideas of the 1st and 2nd amendments from these bad elements to cover that which was their original intent, which did NOT include lewd and salacious material as protected speech.
You have it backward. They're the ones throwing anti-speech stuff into the anti-porn stuff, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Again, it's not about porn. This bans VPNs and stuff. It's a speech crackdown, not a porn crackdown.
Stop defending this dystopian nonsense. The government doesn't provide solutions, it only consolidates more power for itself. This is just more "think of the children" manipulations to get you to cheer them fucking us harder.
How would they justify clamping down on free speech using porn if porn was not part of "free speech"?
They have alternatives. Words are violence, after all. Pornography is just a good vector because a lot of right-wingers oppose it.
Let them use their alternatives than. I am not going to defend porn as free speech. Own the libs by embracing degenerate lewd material I guess.
Niemo after 9/11: I support the Patriot Act because I'm not owning the libs by embracing TERRISM.
Strawman argument, coomer
Reading comprehension at grade school level.
No refutation, no argument. Next.
Why would I bother to refute your straw man when anybody who can read can see it's a straw man?
Nah, all speech is free speech. Don’t go into the goon cave if you don’t wanna hear about grooning
That ban on CP here surely stopped any from being made or viewed right?
Lol exactly my point. Good luck getting people on board when even cp is "free speech."
This is the traditional conservative position, but even if porn isn't free speech, that still doesn't justify such totalitarian measures as proposed in these laws.
This SHOULD be eviscerated by the supreme Court as this just violates the 1st amendment and free commerce in SO many ways.
Take from a Blue state to go THIS overboard but this seems designed to piss off Democrat voters AND Republican voters who aren't tech illiterate boomers.
The people who keep trying this should be eviscerated
The same Supreme Court that upheld ID verification for porn sites? Those fools aren't going to save us.
You gotta understand a large chunk of Michigan is basically little Pakistan with all of the Muslims congregating in Dearborn, Hamtramck, Detroit, etc. and this absolutely aligns with wanting to pander to those people
Dunno why republicans are trying to pander to that
It's from a blue state but it's all red party members who are proposing it and speaking for it.
Not that it changes things, it's still a shitty precedent to set with this overreach
Republicans are pretty determined to lose the midterms, but Democrats are just doing too well at imploding their party. So expect Republicans to ramp up every unpopular position they can think of between now and then to make it happen.
The uni party Replicans honestly want to keep being paid to lose, but offer the PR image of incompetently trying to fight to win. Actually winning means responsibility for shit.
For God's sake... I am in the middle of moving to MI SPECIFICALLY to get away from the UK's miserable laws! I don't need them to follow me there, please.
In the abstract I would definitely 'trade porn for trannies' because I oppose both and removing both would only be a massive benefit to society.
In practice you would need to trust the government of satanic pedophiles to actually enact this, so until we have a based state of authoritarian chads who think exactly like me, I'll continue to advocate for zero-power-governance for these fucks.
Right after forcing ID verrifications they will go right back to censoring you and go after you for opposing the trooning of kids.
Yeah, good luck with that!
I wonder how much of this is Muslim driven? They're totally opposed to p0rn iirc? Heck, female ankles and wrists are haram...
Muslims are the only ones high enough on the pecking order to challenge troons on things that don't implicate female privilege, so they're probably the ones taking the lead.
A lot of it I'd bet.
But on the other hand, banning trannies is a good idea considering the constant terrorism from them
I wish people kept their downvote stalking to threads where someone has actually voiced opinions they are upset about.
They make the entire process they seem to love & approve of? Utterly meaningless with non-stop downvote stalking.
If they think it matters? Save it for when you mean it. Like with swearing: if you swear non-stop? What do you say when you actually want to swear? "Gosh golly-dang it!" ??? If they don't think it matters? Why are they doing it? Are they at kindergarten intelligence levels? 😽
Seems all the bill proposers are white. Wonder who is lobbying for them?
Watch them remove much of what content is banned, while retaining Live ID verrification ( the only goal behind this ubiquitus push to tie your real name to your online activities ).
Karen will never let this happen. She will claim that a ban on romance novels is a misogyny.
Conservatives? All of the bill supporters are republican
The lead sponsor is someone who calls himself:
These things are more of a privacy issue than a free speech issue. They aren't stopping anyone from producing or viewing porn, but they are using this for surveillance. As always, the real agenda is cracking down on dissidents.
Michigan sends me messages on LinkedIn literally begging me to move there. If you have to pay for a big advertisement campaign to beg capable people to move to your state, you probably shouldn't pull retarded shit like this. If some state actually somehow followed through with a ban of anime and manga that didn't get struck down by the courts, they would instantly become number 1 on my list of shithole states.
This already failed in the UK. People, as predicted just went to the high seas.
Blue State worried about corrosion of morals.
Right.
Can they just ban the Somalis
Haven't you been following Britain, see the logging part above?
This crap is to make it easy to prosecute people for speech about those Somalis, just like it is for Pakistanis and Arabs in Britain.
Black Rock and similar organizations, right in America, are what is corrupting public morals.
That and politicians who pushed no-fault divorce in the mid to late 1900s and more recent debasements of marriage.
Not to mention the "medical" organizations pushing the tranny crap.
Republicans really think this will lead to more White babies.
I really have come to hate Republicans. I'm definitely voting for Democrats during the next election and am thinking strongly about changing my party affiliation as well because Republicans no longer represent my interests.
At best Republicans don't care about white babies. At worst they dislike them just like the Dems, just less openly.
I got news for ya, that means ya gay.
They're down to about a .8 birthrate now, aren't they?
You cannot convince me that the legislators that want to ban porn want to do so for moral reasons.
Mf watched Howl’s Moving Castle and decided enough was enough with this degenerate garbage
There are a lot of naive people who think censorship will stop at canceling leftists for saying mean words on the internet when all it is is getting censorship's foot in the door to take everything you enjoy and make it impossible for anyone to make any political commentary that isn't state-sanctioned slop.
They've hated the porn. They've always hated the porn. Most probably still use porn or use Grindr or cheat on their wives and it doesn't matter because they'll still sign laws ban porn. And you bet your ass they're going to rewrite definitions to take your anime away too because they view sexy female characters as nothing but a distraction from you knocking up a real woman so she can pump out more state slaves.
At best it will be like the UAE where the filthy rich get to indulge in things people will rot in jail for. But they're not going to fully ban women from the work place, oh no. Get that "but if I keep supporting them eventually they'll kill off feminism before they ban my videogames and anime and porn!" out of your head because they will never, ever, let it be normal again for a man to work a job that will pays enough to support his working class or higher family. They'll thank suckers that continue to believe otherwise. They'll continue to send jobs off overseas if they aren't importing foreigners and writing new laws to let them do it faster. America is going to get poorer, America is going to get stupider, America is going to get weaker and sicker, and they're going to make it illegal for you to complain about it. You're going to open wide and swallow it all down and if you puke they'll make you lick it up.
The government has become American's very own private equity firm to hollow out and gut it like a jack-o-lantern. Grats to all the winners because it ain't you.
sponsored by state representative omar northtower?
Rep. Josh Schriver (R-Oxford)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Schriver
The chaser is it's Muslims right?
Yay, Michigan!
Sounds like catering to Muslims.
But…
In any place in the world in real life you need to pay for porn and show ID. This idea that you’re entitled to free porn forever as a basic human right is beyond degenerate.
Now, yes. They are using this as a wedge issue to destroy free speech, but porn itself, is not free speech.
Right, they’re using it as a wedge issue, I get it. In this instance, looks like they’re also rent seeking. And that’s a (((whole other problem))).
I can point to the finger on the hand I want to give them.
To explain, Michigan looks like a hand and they will point at their hand to explain where they are from.