I will keep hammering this point home, even if some hate to hear it:
I don't care how you feel about porn. I think pornography is bad. But - and this is huge - the current battleground is not about porn. Every single law is being pushed to further their goal of clamping down on internet speech. The powers that be can't continue to let us speak freely online; stopping that is one of their biggest goals.
You can hate porn all you want, but it's being used as a wedge to get rid of the only tool that let the right make such a big comeback, after the left's long march through the institutions.
The online right is dead in the water, if our opponents (and alleged allies) get their way. Free speech is more important than banning porn. It just is. And just like with gun control, banning porn doesn't actually even solve the issue. It just makes people feel warm and fuzzy.
These retards think banning porn will fix the West’s collapsing birthrates. Because once again, it’s all men’s fault that we’re not having babies. Men are jerking off all day because the option to do so exists, not because women are wasting 80% of their fertility windows on school, partying, and careers.
Our collapsing birthrates are directly correlated with the number of years that women spend in school. The only way to fix our birthrates is to completely reverse the effects of feminism. But you won’t see cuckservatives advocating to restrict female behavior in any way, so the below-replacement birthrates are going to be an evergreen problem, one that is simultaneously the greatest threat to civilization and also somehow completely unsolvable. Probably by design; as long as we are not permitted to address the real cause of birthrate collapse, assholes will have a convenient pretext to enact whatever “solutions” they can convince people to swallow.
These retards think banning porn will fix the West’s collapsing birthrates.
Honestly, I think that's still giving them too much credit. It's often not even about birthrates, sometimes it's as simple as "porn is icky" and "degeneracy bad." Which, sure, fine. But it's literally feels over reals, which is ironic since it's coming from "our" side of the aisle on this one.
Degeneracy is bad. But ending online anonymity and free speech isn't the answer, and it's not even worth the cost. Want to stop porn? Make the argument, tell people why it's bad, tell parents they should be keeping a closer eye on things. There will never be a perfect answer, sadly...just like there isn't with guns. Someone will find a way to misuse guns no matter what, someone who shouldn't have access to porn will get porn, no matter what. And shit parents who wittingly or unwittingly provide access to such things will always exist.
But we can't make laws on feels, and we can't violate people's rights, on either guns or speech. We have to be pragmatic. Any bill banning VPNs or requiring IDs for the internet should never be allowed off the starting line, no matter how good the rest of it is. And if it's built on such a shit foundation it's usually not good anyway.
The only thing they would be able to get away with is banning live action porn production for safety and trafficking reasons, anything else WILL be considered tyranny and will be ignored, challenged in court, and cause voter bleed.
If you stopped defending porn being available more people would defend free speech. Poisoning free speech with porn only allows attacks on free speech.
Its the same with guns, allowing whackos like trannies or violent nons legal access to firearms invites further regulation.
We need to distance our ideas of the 1st and 2nd amendments from these bad elements to cover that which was their original intent, which did NOT include lewd and salacious material as protected speech.
Poisoning free speech with porn only allows attacks on free speech.
You have it backward. They're the ones throwing anti-speech stuff into the anti-porn stuff, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Again, it's not about porn. This bans VPNs and stuff. It's a speech crackdown, not a porn crackdown.
Stop defending this dystopian nonsense. The government doesn't provide solutions, it only consolidates more power for itself. This is just more "think of the children" manipulations to get you to cheer them fucking us harder.
We need to distance our ideas of the 1st and 2nd amendments from these bad elements to cover that which was their original intent, which did NOT include lewd and salacious material as protected speech.
This is the traditional conservative position, but even if porn isn't free speech, that still doesn't justify such totalitarian measures as proposed in these laws.
I will keep hammering this point home, even if some hate to hear it:
I don't care how you feel about porn. I think pornography is bad. But - and this is huge - the current battleground is not about porn. Every single law is being pushed to further their goal of clamping down on internet speech. The powers that be can't continue to let us speak freely online; stopping that is one of their biggest goals.
You can hate porn all you want, but it's being used as a wedge to get rid of the only tool that let the right make such a big comeback, after the left's long march through the institutions.
The online right is dead in the water, if our opponents (and alleged allies) get their way. Free speech is more important than banning porn. It just is. And just like with gun control, banning porn doesn't actually even solve the issue. It just makes people feel warm and fuzzy.
The internet must remain free, or we lose.
And people are retarded enough to not just let them get away with it, but to cheer and help them do it.
I have nothing to add other than my visceral support and overwhelming contempt for those who refuse to understand the importance of this fight.
These retards think banning porn will fix the West’s collapsing birthrates. Because once again, it’s all men’s fault that we’re not having babies. Men are jerking off all day because the option to do so exists, not because women are wasting 80% of their fertility windows on school, partying, and careers.
Our collapsing birthrates are directly correlated with the number of years that women spend in school. The only way to fix our birthrates is to completely reverse the effects of feminism. But you won’t see cuckservatives advocating to restrict female behavior in any way, so the below-replacement birthrates are going to be an evergreen problem, one that is simultaneously the greatest threat to civilization and also somehow completely unsolvable. Probably by design; as long as we are not permitted to address the real cause of birthrate collapse, assholes will have a convenient pretext to enact whatever “solutions” they can convince people to swallow.
Honestly, I think that's still giving them too much credit. It's often not even about birthrates, sometimes it's as simple as "porn is icky" and "degeneracy bad." Which, sure, fine. But it's literally feels over reals, which is ironic since it's coming from "our" side of the aisle on this one.
Degeneracy is bad. But ending online anonymity and free speech isn't the answer, and it's not even worth the cost. Want to stop porn? Make the argument, tell people why it's bad, tell parents they should be keeping a closer eye on things. There will never be a perfect answer, sadly...just like there isn't with guns. Someone will find a way to misuse guns no matter what, someone who shouldn't have access to porn will get porn, no matter what. And shit parents who wittingly or unwittingly provide access to such things will always exist.
But we can't make laws on feels, and we can't violate people's rights, on either guns or speech. We have to be pragmatic. Any bill banning VPNs or requiring IDs for the internet should never be allowed off the starting line, no matter how good the rest of it is. And if it's built on such a shit foundation it's usually not good anyway.
The only thing they would be able to get away with is banning live action porn production for safety and trafficking reasons, anything else WILL be considered tyranny and will be ignored, challenged in court, and cause voter bleed.
If you stopped defending porn being available more people would defend free speech. Poisoning free speech with porn only allows attacks on free speech.
Its the same with guns, allowing whackos like trannies or violent nons legal access to firearms invites further regulation.
We need to distance our ideas of the 1st and 2nd amendments from these bad elements to cover that which was their original intent, which did NOT include lewd and salacious material as protected speech.
You have it backward. They're the ones throwing anti-speech stuff into the anti-porn stuff, EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Again, it's not about porn. This bans VPNs and stuff. It's a speech crackdown, not a porn crackdown.
Stop defending this dystopian nonsense. The government doesn't provide solutions, it only consolidates more power for itself. This is just more "think of the children" manipulations to get you to cheer them fucking us harder.
How would they justify clamping down on free speech using porn if porn was not part of "free speech"?
They have alternatives. Words are violence, after all. Pornography is just a good vector because a lot of right-wingers oppose it.
Reading comprehension at grade school level.
No refutation, no argument. Next.
Why would I bother to refute your straw man when anybody who can read can see it's a straw man?
Nah, all speech is free speech. Don’t go into the goon cave if you don’t wanna hear about grooning
That ban on CP here surely stopped any from being made or viewed right?
Lol exactly my point. Good luck getting people on board when even cp is "free speech."
This is the traditional conservative position, but even if porn isn't free speech, that still doesn't justify such totalitarian measures as proposed in these laws.