Jebus. The piece starts out with the usual 'when men isolate' there's less gibs for the poor womens to swipe. But, taking an unexpected turn, it invents an entirely new victim career called 'Mankeeping'
Mankeeping is basically slavery, Handmaiden's Tale, and the Holodomor imposed on women all at once. Men who have gone their own way, put a huge emotional burden on women, by being... somewhere else. It's gotta stop, but it's also gotta stay the same. Look bros. You gotta go away, but you also gotta give all your money to women. It's not enough to be somewhere else, dead, homeless, depressed, or shudder having a good time on your own. Please keep earning, and giving everything to women. They have to mankeep, for all of us, for humanity, and that comes with a steep price.
Also we are putting 23 Haiti illegals in the garage, can you clean some of your stuff out?
The article complained constantly about all the emotional labor that women put into arranging their man's social lives.
But then goes on to admit that in the event of a separation, all these "arranged" social contacts end up taking her side and jettisoning him anyway.
It also made the incredulous assertion that your average wife and gf spends so much time arranging their man's playdates that relationships with their own friends suffers 🙄
Naming forms of inequality is also a first step toward naming solutions. Initiatives such as Men’s Circle and Beyond Equality are creating spaces where men can open up to one another rather than just to female friends or romantic partners and practice emotional vulnerability and mutual support. The goal is not to re-create exclusionary “boys’ clubs” but to build networks that disrupt the patterns of male behavior that ultimately don’t serve women or men. No matter the remedy, addressing the inequality that women face as a result of mankeeping requires challenging rigid masculine norms that leave so many men with impoverished social ties to begin with.
This really has that "Women are the real victims of men dying in wars" energy.
Psychology and sociology really treat females as Mary Sues.
Men are simply assumed to be dangerous, flawed and in need of discipline and re-education.
Is there a single negative trait that MSM allows to be assigned to female nature?
The age old 'women and accountability are oil and water' truth. Most of women's time and mental capacity is spent creating evolving fantasies where they are simultaneously the center of the universe, but also not responsible or at fault for anything.
funny women collectively decided that mens only spaces are not allowed, but in true women's fashion, they also decided they do not like that men pretending to be women have invaded their female only spaces
Isn't it odd how similar this is to the position being ever-more-vocally espoused by Matt Walsh, Charlie Kirk, Michael Knowles and all of the Britney Venti-type tradthots out there?
Strange how the message that men are getting from both the left and the "right" on this issue is pretty much the same. "If you're not living for the exclusive purpose of sacrificing all of your time and resources to women, then you're a worthless, selfish prick and you need to be forced to fulfill your responsibilities to a society that offers you no reward."
If I want to be very generous, I can understand the point of view they're coming from - having productive, stable, and coherent families is one of the building blocks of civilization as a whole.
However, the majority of them are hellbent on channeling some serious Boomer Energy and simply making the assumption that 'Man marrying woman automatically good', while discounting all the excess factors in place, which are many.
As such, they fail the messaging. The keep trying to harass and shame men into marrying the local town whore, unable to realize that ship has sailed, and more men are either checking out or demanding better.
(Side note, this is one of the few things that aggravates me about Hoe_Math. He'll occassionally harp on about how men shouldn't be sucked into video games and anime, and how it isn't attractive to women. My reply to that is 'Make women more interesting than video games', and this is one of the few areas Hoe_math doesn't wants to admit women are at fault, as well.)
Matt Walsh, not 2 months ago. "Oh, I know how rough it is for young men. But you still owe all of your effort and earnings to everyone else and especially women anyway. Deal with it."
Did you reference the right message because while he is being a condescending, and i hate to say it boomer. He seems to be ranting about taking some dudes text out of context. Maybe buddy did claim he was going to moot of his parents tit but I doubt it. Boomers still have some wealth to use. And the elite cant wait for them all to die so they can take that too.
Whats the point of working your life away now. It used to be you could work 80 hour weeks and have something to show for it. Now what do you get.
And that is again, by design. The elite have shown us the future that they want and that is a future where they own everything and we own nothing.
How the fuck do people think that is going to happen?
If your not working, your gonna be homeless, some people who are working, still are.
Dont worry though, they are all drug addicted addicts who want to sleep outside!
Including me! I wanted to get poisoned, and denied help, and die from something that could totally be prevented. Fuck it. Homelessness is the only future I see before a quick death.
Thats exactly what I want /sarcasm.
Its not fair for the person im married to, and I tell them all the time if they find another mate I couldnt blame them. I know they didnt sign up to marry some broken piece of shit bum.
Toxic masculinity for ya I guess. I wish I could articulate myself better, id give the cunts who wrote this article a email.
The Boomer take the Walsh is trying to convey in this tweet is basically, "Yes, men are getting fucked over, even if they do take on the role that society and women expect them to fill, but you should do it anyway because what else are you gonna do?"
For decades, Boomers and tradcons refused to acknowledge that men were increasingly checking out because women destroyed the social contract that used to exist, and that the older generations encouraged them to do it. Now that it's impossible to deny that, the Boomer take is: "Yes, the social contact is in tatters and there's nothing in this for you anymore, but it's your responsibility to fix it, even though you didn't break it, and even though the people who did destroy it, us included, keep on proving that we've learned nothing."
This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature and of the nature of men. Yes, men need to feel like they're making a positive contribution to something greater than themselves in order to gain self-respect and a sense of fulfillment, but they also need to know that the thing they're contributing to has value, and that it's worth the effort. And our society can no longer provide them with that. Many are still trying anyway, and I will never fault them for it, but I'm not sure they'll find what they're looking for.
Being as charitable as possible to the Boomers and the Boomer-adjacents like Walsh and Kirk, I could say messages like this indicate that they finally understand the problem, and that they genuinely want to help young men lift themselves out of the ennui and frustration that is their modern existence, but they still can't reconcile the idea that it might actually not be those men's responsibility to clean up the mess that they've been left, or that it might be possible for some of them to find other roads to happiness and fulfillment. Or possibly that they resent them for trying, which would explain why Matt Walsh is always shitting on anime and video games.
The goal is not to re-create exclusionary “boys’ clubs” but to build networks that disrupt the patterns of male behavior that ultimately don’t serve women or men. >
That's where you fucked up, only boys clubs will help counteract all the bullshit. The sooner they come back the happier everyone will be.
What defines the modern woman's psyche is not narcissism: it's solipsism. Not as a philosophical position, but as a mental disorder. If I'm not the center of the universe, then I'm the victim.
It's "somewhere, a man might be struggling. How dare he".
Then it extends to "You being a lonely loser full of toxic masculinity is bringing me down too because I'm resentful for managing a social calendar of BS you never asked for"
Though these challenges rightfully demand resources and attention, public discourse often stops short of discussing men’s issues as interconnected with women’s lives. If men are in trouble, what does that mean for women?
We must be using different definitions for "often", as I have never seen public discourse stop short of this.
Men are lonely and crave the acceptance of other men and acknowledgment of their worth, but boys clubs aren't the solution. No maam men need women to define their manhood.
There's that line in Enola Holmes with her telling a male, "You're a man when I say you're a man" Women have no idea what it's like to be a man.
What many men want is respect, and a kingdom of their own (aka a house). Who woulda thought denying these to people for money of all things would create a generation of people who just dont give a fuck. I could never see it coming, let me tell ya what.
Because they aren't trying to kill themselves 90% of the time. They are just attempting to gain something and the attempt can barely qualify as trying, if at all.
Women want to leave a beautiful, dramatic corpse. Which means they won't tarnish themselves with gruesome methods. Pills, little wrist slices, nitrogen, etc. Methods that barely work if you do them right and are extremely slow (giving maximum time to get rescued).
Whereas men just jump off a bridge, shoot themselves or throw toasters in a bathtub. Things that are quick, violent, ugly, and often very effective.
Even treating what women do as suicide attempts is just enabling their attention seeking behavior. Its unfortunate that we even give it seriousness instead of laughing at them for being so pathetic.
Problem is, these are women and Lefties. Words are power to them.
By even calling it "killing themselves" still plays into their framework that its a genuine attempt, rather than attention seeking wearing a grotesque skin suit.
I don't believe this number anymore. Someone once pointed out that a Woman's attempted suicide is a cry for help - a man attempting suicide is taking out a loaded gun, staring at it for an hour, and then putting it away. Completely different circumstance, and entirely unreported.
take the W for what it is. fact is, nothing gets society motivated to fix a problem like it affecting women.
My one major criticism of Men's Rights Advocates is the insistence on framing it in a way that may be principled, but garners no help for the men involved, in spite of having pinpointed the problem decades ago...
take the W for what it is. fact is, nothing gets society motivated to fix a problem like it affecting women.
This being a "win" assumes the people responsible for the fix both identify the problem correctly and come up with a fix that actually benefits men. Just look at this article and its talk of "rigid masculine norms" and "disrupt[ing] the patterns of male behavior that ultimately don’t serve women or men". I think it's safe to say given the current environment that any such "fix" is likely to be completely dysfunctional at best and "the beatings will continue until morale improves" at worst.
What is this terrible logic? Every effort to help men is immediately scuttled if it does not help women even more. Your solution to this unhinged gynocentrism is pure capitulation? So we’re sabotaging ourselves by not centering women even as we are attempting to help men? You’re bargaining with terrorists. That’s not pragmatism.
Jebus. The piece starts out with the usual 'when men isolate' there's less gibs for the poor womens to swipe. But, taking an unexpected turn, it invents an entirely new victim career called 'Mankeeping'
Mankeeping is basically slavery, Handmaiden's Tale, and the Holodomor imposed on women all at once. Men who have gone their own way, put a huge emotional burden on women, by being... somewhere else. It's gotta stop, but it's also gotta stay the same. Look bros. You gotta go away, but you also gotta give all your money to women. It's not enough to be somewhere else, dead, homeless, depressed, or shudder having a good time on your own. Please keep earning, and giving everything to women. They have to mankeep, for all of us, for humanity, and that comes with a steep price.
Also we are putting 23 Haiti illegals in the garage, can you clean some of your stuff out?
The article complained constantly about all the emotional labor that women put into arranging their man's social lives.
But then goes on to admit that in the event of a separation, all these "arranged" social contacts end up taking her side and jettisoning him anyway.
It also made the incredulous assertion that your average wife and gf spends so much time arranging their man's playdates that relationships with their own friends suffers 🙄
They also skipped the crucial first step where his old social circle was either strained or chased off by her, family possibly included.
Man up and marry those sluts
The 19th was a mistake.
This really has that "Women are the real victims of men dying in wars" energy.
Psychology and sociology really treat females as Mary Sues.
Men are simply assumed to be dangerous, flawed and in need of discipline and re-education.
Is there a single negative trait that MSM allows to be assigned to female nature?
The age old 'women and accountability are oil and water' truth. Most of women's time and mental capacity is spent creating evolving fantasies where they are simultaneously the center of the universe, but also not responsible or at fault for anything.
Re-creating exclusionary “boys’ clubs” sounds like a great idea.
funny women collectively decided that mens only spaces are not allowed, but in true women's fashion, they also decided they do not like that men pretending to be women have invaded their female only spaces
Islam, and all other ancient religions and ideologies, are right about women. Modern thought and civilization is wrong. Very, very wrong.
Isn't it odd how similar this is to the position being ever-more-vocally espoused by Matt Walsh, Charlie Kirk, Michael Knowles and all of the Britney Venti-type tradthots out there?
Strange how the message that men are getting from both the left and the "right" on this issue is pretty much the same. "If you're not living for the exclusive purpose of sacrificing all of your time and resources to women, then you're a worthless, selfish prick and you need to be forced to fulfill your responsibilities to a society that offers you no reward."
TradCuck is a meme for a reason.
If I want to be very generous, I can understand the point of view they're coming from - having productive, stable, and coherent families is one of the building blocks of civilization as a whole.
However, the majority of them are hellbent on channeling some serious Boomer Energy and simply making the assumption that 'Man marrying woman automatically good', while discounting all the excess factors in place, which are many.
As such, they fail the messaging. The keep trying to harass and shame men into marrying the local town whore, unable to realize that ship has sailed, and more men are either checking out or demanding better.
(Side note, this is one of the few things that aggravates me about Hoe_Math. He'll occassionally harp on about how men shouldn't be sucked into video games and anime, and how it isn't attractive to women. My reply to that is 'Make women more interesting than video games', and this is one of the few areas Hoe_math doesn't wants to admit women are at fault, as well.)
Isn't weird how Matt Walsh has been saying the opposite more and more lmao. I'm going to assume you're lying about the others too
Matt Walsh, not 2 months ago. "Oh, I know how rough it is for young men. But you still owe all of your effort and earnings to everyone else and especially women anyway. Deal with it."
Did you reference the right message because while he is being a condescending, and i hate to say it boomer. He seems to be ranting about taking some dudes text out of context. Maybe buddy did claim he was going to moot of his parents tit but I doubt it. Boomers still have some wealth to use. And the elite cant wait for them all to die so they can take that too.
Whats the point of working your life away now. It used to be you could work 80 hour weeks and have something to show for it. Now what do you get.
And that is again, by design. The elite have shown us the future that they want and that is a future where they own everything and we own nothing.
How the fuck do people think that is going to happen?
If your not working, your gonna be homeless, some people who are working, still are.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-homeless-population-doubled-in-a-year-1.6627615
Dont worry though, they are all drug addicted addicts who want to sleep outside!
Including me! I wanted to get poisoned, and denied help, and die from something that could totally be prevented. Fuck it. Homelessness is the only future I see before a quick death.
Thats exactly what I want /sarcasm.
Its not fair for the person im married to, and I tell them all the time if they find another mate I couldnt blame them. I know they didnt sign up to marry some broken piece of shit bum.
Toxic masculinity for ya I guess. I wish I could articulate myself better, id give the cunts who wrote this article a email.
The Boomer take the Walsh is trying to convey in this tweet is basically, "Yes, men are getting fucked over, even if they do take on the role that society and women expect them to fill, but you should do it anyway because what else are you gonna do?"
For decades, Boomers and tradcons refused to acknowledge that men were increasingly checking out because women destroyed the social contract that used to exist, and that the older generations encouraged them to do it. Now that it's impossible to deny that, the Boomer take is: "Yes, the social contact is in tatters and there's nothing in this for you anymore, but it's your responsibility to fix it, even though you didn't break it, and even though the people who did destroy it, us included, keep on proving that we've learned nothing."
This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature and of the nature of men. Yes, men need to feel like they're making a positive contribution to something greater than themselves in order to gain self-respect and a sense of fulfillment, but they also need to know that the thing they're contributing to has value, and that it's worth the effort. And our society can no longer provide them with that. Many are still trying anyway, and I will never fault them for it, but I'm not sure they'll find what they're looking for.
Being as charitable as possible to the Boomers and the Boomer-adjacents like Walsh and Kirk, I could say messages like this indicate that they finally understand the problem, and that they genuinely want to help young men lift themselves out of the ennui and frustration that is their modern existence, but they still can't reconcile the idea that it might actually not be those men's responsibility to clean up the mess that they've been left, or that it might be possible for some of them to find other roads to happiness and fulfillment. Or possibly that they resent them for trying, which would explain why Matt Walsh is always shitting on anime and video games.
That's where you fucked up, only boys clubs will help counteract all the bullshit. The sooner they come back the happier everyone will be.
Absolutely this. We need this. NOW.
Also, this is pure narcissism and puritanism on display. Someone, somewhere might be happy. How dare he.
What defines the modern woman's psyche is not narcissism: it's solipsism. Not as a philosophical position, but as a mental disorder. If I'm not the center of the universe, then I'm the victim.
It's actually the opposite.
It's "somewhere, a man might be struggling. How dare he".
Then it extends to "You being a lonely loser full of toxic masculinity is bringing me down too because I'm resentful for managing a social calendar of BS you never asked for"
We must be using different definitions for "often", as I have never seen public discourse stop short of this.
Yeah fucking lol at that claim in particular. They never, EVER discuss male issues without bringing it back to how women are affected by it.
Men are lonely and crave the acceptance of other men and acknowledgment of their worth, but boys clubs aren't the solution. No maam men need women to define their manhood.
There's that line in Enola Holmes with her telling a male, "You're a man when I say you're a man" Women have no idea what it's like to be a man.
What many men want is respect, and a kingdom of their own (aka a house). Who woulda thought denying these to people for money of all things would create a generation of people who just dont give a fuck. I could never see it coming, let me tell ya what.
Also holy shit, this article is a veritable goldmine of memeable quotes.
example:
...even when it comes to killing yourself, women are terrible at it.
Because they aren't trying to kill themselves 90% of the time. They are just attempting to gain something and the attempt can barely qualify as trying, if at all.
Women want to leave a beautiful, dramatic corpse. Which means they won't tarnish themselves with gruesome methods. Pills, little wrist slices, nitrogen, etc. Methods that barely work if you do them right and are extremely slow (giving maximum time to get rescued).
Whereas men just jump off a bridge, shoot themselves or throw toasters in a bathtub. Things that are quick, violent, ugly, and often very effective.
Even treating what women do as suicide attempts is just enabling their attention seeking behavior. Its unfortunate that we even give it seriousness instead of laughing at them for being so pathetic.
hence my comment about women being terrible at killing themselves. 😉
Problem is, these are women and Lefties. Words are power to them.
By even calling it "killing themselves" still plays into their framework that its a genuine attempt, rather than attention seeking wearing a grotesque skin suit.
They don't want to die, they just want to manipulate men.
It's always aimed at manipulating a man.
I don't believe this number anymore. Someone once pointed out that a Woman's attempted suicide is a cry for help - a man attempting suicide is taking out a loaded gun, staring at it for an hour, and then putting it away. Completely different circumstance, and entirely unreported.
Men are just more adept at following through.
That is a very good point. I had never thought of it that way.
Scientific American put this shit out?
I guess the good editor or owner must have retired.
Pretty sure, like everything else, it's been pozzed for some time.
It’s been bad since Trumps nomination in 2016. I’m surprised it’s still in business.
Women affected most by being denied the attention and free stuff they have gotten used to.
take the W for what it is. fact is, nothing gets society motivated to fix a problem like it affecting women.
My one major criticism of Men's Rights Advocates is the insistence on framing it in a way that may be principled, but garners no help for the men involved, in spite of having pinpointed the problem decades ago...
This being a "win" assumes the people responsible for the fix both identify the problem correctly and come up with a fix that actually benefits men. Just look at this article and its talk of "rigid masculine norms" and "disrupt[ing] the patterns of male behavior that ultimately don’t serve women or men". I think it's safe to say given the current environment that any such "fix" is likely to be completely dysfunctional at best and "the beatings will continue until morale improves" at worst.
fair.
What is this terrible logic? Every effort to help men is immediately scuttled if it does not help women even more. Your solution to this unhinged gynocentrism is pure capitulation? So we’re sabotaging ourselves by not centering women even as we are attempting to help men? You’re bargaining with terrorists. That’s not pragmatism.
no...I'm saying frame it in a way that will yield results... Reality is society will always favor women over men. always has, always will.
otherwise, you're just beating your head against the same wall pointlessly.
That MGTOW in a nutshell.
I sympathize with MGTOW, even if I don't agree with their solution. they're not bad people, just very bitter, emotionally bruised people.
It is only because both left and right worship feminism that such a cancerous rubbish article can be published in "Scientific American"
All the usual suspects.
BY ANGELICA PUZIO FERRARA & DYLAN VERGARA EDITED BY DAISY YUHAS
Nice demoralization article. However, Trump is president, and you're gonna be out of a job soon. Bye!
Man they just come right out and say that men love women more truly than women love men.
Well, if nothing else it's awesome to be reminded how much power I exercise as a man by simply not playing.
Men isolating means they are not giving women attention, so this is basically what anyone woman would conclude.
I didn't realize my departure from society was this based.