Tradcucks have joined woketards in the war on gamers.
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Just another thot trying to avoid personal responsability:
'No, you see. I'm not a thot, it's the games and porn who are at fault'
tradcucks
a reformed, born-again tattoo'd woman
kvetching about beauty on screen
lol no, this isn't the normal rightwing Christian Gamers that have been fighting against liberal, woke censorship. Please be aware of well poisoning & false flag accounts. Please be aware these "Christian" purity posters happened right around the time Trump was elected & multiple woke entertainment projects flopped. stop falling for this.
Oh yes because it's fake Christianity to be opposed to having prostitutes and pornstars at the RNC
Matt, you just conflated being pro-masculine men & pro-teminine, beautiful women + anti-Censorship in videogames with the stance that prostitutes & pornstars should be allowed & praised at the RNC. Shame on you.
Every issue in its own avenue. There should be no pornstars & prostitutes being uplifted with porn as their speaking credential into positions of perceived legitimacy in the halls of power.
The answer of winning multiple battles against DEI, Woke ideology, and Marxist-Feminists ISN"T the IMMEDIATE return to 1998 Full Christian Puritan pearl-clutching in the social/entertainment sphere as misled Christians do exactly what was just being pushed back against. Censorship is NEVER the way, design games that exemplify Christian values and the Heroic, Knightly way.
Demonstrate by right example, and by comparison to other titles you will show the path forward. Otherwise you allow the agents of Satan to continue to play both sides as master manipulators that they are.
Every minute you spend gaming is a minute spent not giving women what they want.
It's about control.
There is a link between the hobby a man has, the financial and emotional benefit it provides to his significant other and what gives her the "ick".
"trad"
Profile pic has a pound of makeup on and at least one filter. Oh and those fake bulging lips along with some tats.
Such trad, much right wing.
very influence
Well, that's why he said tradcuck instead of trad. Plenty of feminists LARP as trad because it markets better. This one is a prime example.
While I do appreciate the distinction I'm not sure I buy it. I've seen plenty of people use the term interchangeably, particularly the migtows who seem to view any form of traditionalism as hostile.
Yeah that's fair. I've seen them used interchangeablely as well so I understand your suspicion. I personally would have used "tradthot" in this case. I'm a MGTOW myself but I have respect for actual trads even if I don't always agree with them. MGTOW wouldn't be necessary for most men if actual trads were running the show.
I agree entirely. Hell, I'm married to a woman who firmly believes women should be property.
That's a grifter. A tradcuck is a submitted conservative male.
Not that I think either option is good, but if I'm to be ruled over by a censorious regime, I'd rather the one that covers up tits and bleeps swears than the one that requires me to acknowledge the delusions of the mentally ill. One makes women put on floor-length dresses and the other chops their breasts off.
Fucking tourists
Is she retarded? (rhetorical) If she was a "gamer", she would know about this
She does know about it. She's arguing that censorship is OK and good for reasons.
Yeah, the problem is that she's trying to gaslight people into thinking game devs weren't nerds who would sneak in sexual stuff for shits and giggles
Final Fantasy games were censored outside Japan because some Espers and bosses have the bare minimum to hide nipples and vagina.
Some stuff made it past, however : https://youtu.be/yy4aF3wcFpw?si=IwbDW8u_4B1KZ94Y&t=155
That was Nintendo being retarded tho
Also, because all games were considered for kids, regardless of their actual target audience
There was none of that in the classic games. Pierre had a jacket with a naked woman that was impossible to make out in the original game? What has that to do with how Lara was presented?
It's possible to simultaneously acknowledge the she is a grifter and that she isn't lying about this one thing.
She's lying tho. She's arguing semantics and technicisms, like yeah, there isn't a explicit scene where Lara poses naked, but she was designed with sex appeal, like other heroines from the 90s were (Marvel heroines, Xena, Red Sonja, Aeon Flux, etc). Not to mention the pinups and side material which she decries for some reason
She decries them because they were a product of the marketing department, against the wishes of the developers. Nowhere in the games was her sex appeal played up. She was designed to be visibly female with PS1 graphics.
What you're saying about the classic games is a milder version of what the woke say about them, including the likes of Crystal. It might not be convenient that Melonie is right on this one, but she is. Lara's sexuality wasn't played up in the games until Crystal got their hands on the franchise.
Which means I'm not saying the same thing, duh.
Much of that sexualization critique comes from the fact she has huge knockers, is not realistic and it doesn't have a practical purpose in game, that's why she can dismiss her critics as coomers.
The thing is, Tomb Raider franchise is built on this image of Lara, that is, a confident smart, athletic woman who happens to be physically attractive and have huge knockers, not a dumb bimbo that exists for pinups, ad campaigns notwithstanding. That's where the false dichotomy comes into play. Simply ask Melonie if she's fine with big boobed Lara or if she thinks it's just "gooners" pulling shit up, you'd be surprised
Women are not automatically more seductive with huge knockers.
Then she shouldn't have a problem with Lara having them
She doesn't to my knowledge
I'll say it again: Does anyone else get a skinwalker vibe off this check when she speaks? Trashy tattoos aside, she's got a serious case of the crazy eye.
That or something similar to sanpaku eyes.
I'd need a better pic than the OP to confirm, but I'm guessing it's the thousand cock stare.
Part of me wants to disagree, but even Jesus can't fix what miles of cock does to a woman...
She's got a fairly active YT channel, but I really only see her on SideScrollers. A good example is here around the 31:25 mark, especially when she's just standing there quietly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1882&v=CaLV5Mg19Uo
She defintley comes off like a creep. Probably fighting off some sick shit deep in her soul.
Oh look, a woman infiltrating a male space and telling men they need to change it and claiming they were never the core of their own hobby.
Conservatives were always an enemy too, they simply lost enough cultural power to stop being the biggest threat.
Didn't the devs butcher Lara's character after prudes complained that her design "objectified women" or something?
I could have sworn there was a girls of gaming thing in playboy. it was all renders and cheesecake, but I'm fairly sure it happened.
Internet says October 2004 was one of the issues. And another in 2005, and 2009.
As I looked this up, I discovered they also did a limited series of trading cards for the one in 2005.
I remember that too. Melonie must have memory holed it, since it's evidence against her position
If you bring it up, she'll say she's not technically wrong. AFAIK, Lara Croft was never a part of that. I found several lists, but I didn't see her on them. And that's who she mentioned.
Nevermind the fact that there were game themed playboy issues for several years.
Her refinement of her argument, (i.e. 'that you'll find none of this in classic games) gets destroyed by the playboy spreads. The only reason that these kind of graphics weren't used earlier is the technical limitations of the time.
ffs. She should look up 'Custer's Revenge' and tell me classic gaming didn't have a seedy underbelly. I want to belly laugh at her.
I remember there being an official Bloodrayne thing with Playboy. Actual art, not a model cosplaying.
Playboy attempted an unofficial use with a model dressed as Lara, but the rights holders were very against it at the time. https://ghostarchive.org/archive/0SUIL
Leave it to the right to erupt into a purity spiral circular firing squad when they on the verge of destroying the woke infestation of gaming....
I swear, the right deserves to lose.
She isn't wrong, but NOW IS NOT THE TIME.
It's always the time. Yall said the same shit about having a pornstar at the RNC
sigh My fellow Christians, if you think vulgar videogames are the biggest problem this world faces at the moment, you need to take a good look around and then reflect on where your moral centre should be.
Men are calling themselves women, women hate men, everyone hates whites, and children are being abused or aborted on an industrial scale. Why are naughty videogames even on your list of priorities? ESPECIALLY when the right is finally something close to ascendant again.
Of course, I know the answer. The people who are bringing these petty grievances up now aren't doing it in good faith. They are shit stirring grifters.
the traditional right has always been against video games.
The traditional right mostly still yearns for a world that has long since ceased to exist and they just can't let it go.
Like, guys can't just have hobbies like "working on their car" because cars aren't made the way they were when they were younger and are impossibly more complicated and expensive now. Not to mention Obama killing off the used car market and making beaters cost a shit ton to begin with. So your starting investment is much higher, you're much more likely to fail, and you lose a shit ton more when you do.
But that's the kind of "acceptable" hobbies they push instead without realizing why those aren't as appealing anymore.
Traditionalist far right Christian here.
We advocate reading, shooting and learning self sufficiency life skills. Everybody should know how to read and how to cook, women should know how to sew, etc.
But I've never met anyone in my neck of the woods who earnestly advocates fixing cars as an alternative hobby to video games. The few guys I know who don't play video games love board games or cards.
Most of the ones in my neck of the woods advocate cars, farming, and garage shop type activities (wood working or similar) and will loudly declare those the only proper things a man should have as a hobby.
There is probably a large divide here between trad right guys online, and trad right guys out in the world, because most of the aforementioned men I know barely use a computer to spread their message to anyone. These are not philosophers, they don't read beyond the Bible, they are a living stereotype in a lot of ways. But they are very loud in Church and everywhere else in the community about these things.
Nothing against those options, for the record, but if you don't inherit a shit ton of tools or land from your father you aren't getting into them. Speaking as someone currently waiting for his father in law to pass so I can get his bandsaw/lathe in my own garage.
Fair enough, certainly might be a regional thing.
Same. Lol I don't know anyone fixing cars as a hobby.
To tinker with cars as a hobby, one requires property, a garage (particularly one big enough to work in, probably at least two bays so you have somewhere to park your commuter vehicle while your hobby vehicle sits immobile in the second bay), cabinets & walls full of tools, etc.
So right off the bat, these requirements are going to price out most teens & young men unless they live with parents who own these assets, live rurally, have a father that owns a business, etc.
Another problem with living like a bugman in a tiny box in the sky.
Yep. I still remember them as my first enemy while growing up, and I only made allies with them because they were more likely to go my way than the SJW's who were far more likely to destroy the things I love. But those right wingers never changed, and I took plenty of chances to dunk on the likes of Matt Walsh and his ilk when it was outside of the handful of times he actually said something worthwhile.
It was always going to go back to this. But I think that they arent going to win any more than the SJW's did. Hell, part of the reason I and a lot of my friends ended up liking Trump and the MAGA types is because a lot of them cared about the culture, but didnt want to ruin our games and movies like the TradCons did.
My first foray into the world of politics was Hillary Clinton trying to ban video games in the 90s, so I think its always been a "mutual alliance" on both ends of this equation between the Left and Right.
And it was Ron Paul who stopped them by the way. Hillary Clinton and Tipper Gore came very close to banning video game mods and making video games federally regulated.
Truly a man we never came close to deserving.
are you me?
Considering how many of us I have seen, there may be cloning shenanigans afoot.
To play devil's advocate (heh). The traditional right mostly cares about making violent or sexual content unaviable to kids. Most didn't care what adults did with their games, at worst they tell you you are a manchild wasting your time.
This is groypers and other glowing groups that think the right isn't extremist enough, so they coincidentally drive normies away with thots posing as purists(?) and other kinds of purity spirals
the SeXbox controversy begs to differ. The trad right had their panties in a twist because Mass Effect, an M-rated game, had an R-rated sex scene in it that supposedly kids could watch.
https://youtu.be/e6NF6btXCGM?si=p_0UgyNmKithmRN4
And now it's troons and struggle sessions, maybe you should have payed attention to what they were saying? Maybe if those issues had been given more credence things would not be 1000x worse now?
Yeah, they totally weren't doing it. Uh huh. It's all made up "supposedly" that kids were playing Mass Effect. Now it's all "supposedly" that kids are being trooned and exposed to gay porn in schools.
One day you will realise that they are saying exactly the same thing about YOU now that they were saying about legitimate issues then. But not today it seems.
what videogames kids consumed at the time was 100% on the parents. Games had to be bought or rented at physical stores. Games were well labeled like movies were. There was no need to ban or censor videogame because a bunch of pearl catchers cried "think of the children!!!".
You want something to blame for kids trooning out? blame actual Internet porn.
You said "trad right" not politicians like Tipper Gore and Hillary Clinton.
The "trad right" wanted awareness. I worked a rental counter when GTA 3 came out, and people had absolutely no idea what they were renting for their 8 year old kids. And even trying to explain to them went over their head because people are NPCs, if someone doesn't make noise about a game, they would never know they were picking up soft core porn for their kids.
The push to ban games was not the same as "hey, they are selling porn to kids!" Just like, oh idk, the current debate about books in school libraries?
I won't take responsibility for irresponsible parents, and neither should you
That wasn't his point. His point was that the only people trying to censor games via the power of the government were Tipper Gore, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Lieberman.
This narrative that it was the trad right going after games is a complete fabrication of history. The Christians may have bitched about D&D and videogames at church, but the people actually demanding the government do something about them were all Democrats.
So just because some kids get exposed to violent video games we need to ban all of them?
Also, what school library stocks a copy of gta 3 or mass effect 1? Are they doing "gaming story time" at public libraries now?
Come back when your reading comprehension is better. I'm not addressing your straw men and feigned ignorance.
Yes, that's what I meant.
Honestly, looking at how they made Geoff keighley look reasonable of all people, I'm thinking this was another industry effort (ie. Jack Thompson) to shit on Fox news for being out of touch, because they clearly don't know what they are talking about
"Won't someone please think of the children!" has been used as entryism forever. It's what every attempt to censor the Internet or remove anonymity leads with. If's what the pearl-clutches have always lead with.
Problem is now, after they've cried wolf so many times, sickos are actually going after the children and no one wants to admit it's real.
Jack Thompson is a textbook example.
Jack Thompson never accomplished anything, and his existence is a paper tiger if the left.
Bets on when this tradthot's OF account drops?
Isn't she almost 40?
The Aristocratic Utensil sided with Melonie on this issue as well.
His argument essentially boiled down to "I don’t care for fan service in games, I play for story. So everyone else is a coomer".
And I suppose this is where a difference in principle happens, since Utensil is kind of strange in his (probably due to the whole "unironic monarchist" thing). On paper, I agree with him. I care about gameplay and story, I think that games that have to rely on fan service are cringe (although having fan service in itself isnt an issue, just if it is a crutch), and my taste are so backward compared to your typical coomer that I typically find looks like this to be infinitely sexier than looks like this.
But I would never, in a million years, demand the latter be banned or censored. Because that is always, always, what those who seek to control you do to get their foot in the door and start driving that wedge in to eventually micromanage your entire life. And so even if it is not my taste or something I care about, I will absolutely defend it in full. And if the likes of Melonie and Utensil have an issue with that, then they can take a number and get back in the enemy line where they probably would have been in 2000.
I think it's less than Melonie & Spoon are calling for booba censorship and more that they are making an argument that gamers liking tiddies are cringe and "just as bad as the troons".
Which has a kernel of truth, but is also a James Lindsay "woke right" tier strawman argument.
Spoon AFAIK doesn't even have the born-again Christian LARP moralism going on. He's mostly just arrogant.
There was a point in a youtube comment Spoon acknowledged by liking which he pinned and then later unpinned and I cannot find any more. Here's what I remember the commenter pointing out, roughly:
I think Spoon pointing out that fanservice at the top of the degeneracy slippery slope (fanservice is the point of the wedge, if you will, being driven into the culture; porn is in there too. same vice, different point in the spectrum.) is exceptionally aggravating polemic. He's being inflammatory on purpose because he's an arrogant utensil. I really want to dismiss him, but find I can't.
Vox Day talks a lot about a love of "the Good, the Beautiful, and the True." One of the real dangers of lust, as a vice, is pitting a(n excessive) desire for the Beautiful against the Good.
And yeah, this is the point Spoon's making-- even as he tells gamers to stop watching. Our bias will be towards good gameplay, not the moral consequences of pervasive lust. There's a broader conversation to be had about sexualization in our society. As gamers, we rankle at it because games are one of the vectors being used for both LGBT and Lust-based attacks on childhood. Spoon is aggravating because he's not being 'fair' to the medium, but his argument 'from the outside' is one gamers have to contend with. Yeah, Spoon's being arrogant and infuriating, the points he's making are from the outside and aren't really 'fair' to gaming, but (taken as polemic) how is he wrong?
More to the point, now that the Right is getting back a modicum of power, where is the line we have to hold, collectively, against the slippery slope the power of Slannesh presents?
It's embarrassing if a game is coomer material. It also feels patronizing. Not having masculine looking female characters doesn't mean you have to have soft porn lol
Lots of people out there want to control the medium as nothing more than a vehicle with which to push their own worldview on others. These attacks can come from either side of the left/right divide.
Hard agree.
The reason why we're seeing the Right side of the equation is that the right has a chance at cultural relevance with the recent election. It's Power's corrupting influence, as usual.
The only good thing is this happened while we are still at the peak of DEI uglifing female characters so gamers are way more aware right now.
Better to nip this in the bud now so that we don't have the mostly religious right ruining their cultural relevance again like in the 90s/early 2000s.
I'm old enough to remember when the main attack on gaming came from traditional Christian conservatives who were protesting about how violent video games were corrupting children, pushing them away from God and into sin and turning them into proto-violent criminals.
The most prominent activist against violent and sexual media in the UK was a fundamental evangelical Christian and social conservative. Was because she passed away in 2001.
...granted, i never got that into tomb raider, but wasn't there a level in the one of the first games where croft fights off a home invasion by guys in all black where she's in nothing but her underwear!?!
She's in a bathrobe, but yeah, that's the very end of the second game. It's completely pointless to the narrative, as the bad guys were already defeated and the artifact was recovered. It's just there to give you one last victory lap with all your weapons and do some teasing fanservice (even ending with Lara heading off to take a shower when it's all done, but not before shooting the camera out). And probably because the devs ran out of time to actually write and animate a proper conclusion, so they just threw one joke level together and called it quits.
yeah, like I said, I wasn't the biggest tomb raider fan in the world (just wasn't my thing is all), but I remember the cake shot of Lara in her polygonal underwear from a game mag somebody had...
And then call of duty came along, and suddenly the "dudebros" were "gamers" and always calling me to fix their A/V issues (or to get passed a difficult platforming section in Crash or Prince of Persia, lol).
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