The old manosphere was great for comparing notes on what was going on. But the old red pill sites are mostly gone and have been replaced by a great deal of astro turf. Lately, I have noticed people aren't very friendly in public anymore. Asked around to some of the locals and they have told me no one goes out. Have to search to find people.
Also, I was talking with a younger dude who spends his summers going up to Alaska to work. I have known guys who have done that but didn't realize there was an extensive network of guys who do it. From what I gather a good chunk of these guys don't have wives or girlfriends, most are in their twenties but not all. The guy in question is tall, good looking, a very hard worker and a very nice guy. He made it sound like he didn't expect to get a girlfriend anytime soon, and didn't really expect to meet one. I have also known military guys who basically just dropped out of society and traveled. Also nice dudes. And then there was all the gym bros who dropped out after the Tiktok gals started harassing people at the local gyms.
How many young guys have just dropped out of society? I mean, all the dudes I cited are fit, good looking dudes. Just gone. It's hard to tell with the red pill videos as a good chunk of those guys are salesman selling their product, but how bad is it really now? Especially post covid. How many men just dropped out altogether? I'm getting the impression from this anecdotal evidence that it's getting worse, as there is always guys who drop out... But the majority didn't used to be dudes in their prime who were fit and good looking.
The same is true in my neck of the woods. I run a business where most of the available jobs are entry-level customer service positions, and I exclusively hire locals (high school and college students) as opposed to fresh-off-boat pajeets who can't speak English, which is the norm in much of Canada now.
Many of the young guys I hire are smart, athletic, driven, eager to learn. Some have already given up when they're not yet 20 and I can't get anything out of them, but even the guys who are engaged have very little ambition beyond earning enough money to buy new games or pay for their own car. None of them have girlfriends. One kid earns as much money off of Tik Tok as he does working for me, and has "Social Media Influencer" as a career choice. The two smartest are enrolled in post secondary programs for graphic design and programming respectively; careers that prioritize solitude over social interaction, despite both being relatively extroverted, funny and easy to get along with.
This trend has become much more pronounced since the plandemic. I can now expect the level of maturity from an 18-year-old employee that I would have seen in a 15-year-old pre-2020, with very few exceptions. That applies mostly to males, as maturity is (being charitable) much harder to gauge in females.
I'm not sure how much worse it can get. Men, especially young men, need to feel like they belong to something. The need for validation is entirely secondary in the male psyche to the need to feel that your efforts have value: that the thing you're working to contribute to is a worthwhile endeavor. We just don't have that for them anymore. Much worse than the endless denigration and demonization of whiteness and maleness that goes on in their schools and in all of the media they consume is the feeling that there is absolutely nothing in their lives or communities that is actually worth their efforts.
It really does feel like something is about to give. It could be a reset button, something that makes large numbers of them suddenly feel engaged again. Or it could be the opposite. Something that gives them no choice but to release all of the pent-up frustration which at the moment takes the form of nihilism. I would strongly advise the regime not to try to implement another draft: certainly not for a foreign proxy war like Ukraine or Taiwan. I get the feeling that will end very badly.
This is a great comment. You've encapsulated the lack of purpose. Materialism and consumption and globohomo is not motivating people to sacrifice for each other. Not even within families. This is a form of late stage industrialism.
For me I was blue pill, red pill, then found an amazing woman and have a family and my life is absolutely envigorating. I love it. Men need community and they need families. The most important thing men need to realize is we have to be striking, shrewd, and aggressive. Life for men is about carving out success for yourself. Life is not a game. It's about survival. Most men live in fear of society and never realize their potential because they want people's approval. The way of a man is to be rowdy and aggressive and have comraderie.
It's hard to have these things when you have products to consume, porn to jerk it to, and overwhelming nihilism online.
For anyone reading this: have humility and learn how to ask for help, admit your mistake or error, ask people how to learn new things earnestly, BUT never NEVER simp for bad women or roll onto your back like a coward.
Sure, but the laws prevent that from being possible in the West, and most young men cannot afford to uproot into another country without sizable resources.
The problem is that no-fault-divorce means every man who gets married is at risk of losing who he marries to a whim of her feelings, and these videos of women abandoning their husband over a moment of "feelz" are widespread and growing.
80% of divorces are initiated by women, and marriages these days are designed to reward the most disloyal of the two partners, which majority of the time happens to be women.
There is too much access to monkey branching suitors as well. Practically every woman has been convinced she can "do better", even when she can't. And so they all chase after the same top 15% of Chad/Tyrone whenever the opportunity arises, and every woman on social media basically has that opportunity presented to them constantly.
You are right that men need community and they need families, but you need an actual woman willing to start a family for that to happen. The thing is, a loyal wife who actually loves her husband is an absolute rarity; a unicorn in a sea of donkeys.
True. So what will you do anyway to create a family?
I would get out of western country first.
Me, personally? Way too old to be starting a family, and I have neither the energy, the patience, nor willingness to invest in the resources to do so.
However, for the young lads out there who care about starting a family as Socalwackjob mentioned, they will have to gather their wits about them and work hard to build resources so that they can get out of Western countries. If you're in the U.K., head east to Poland or Hungary before globohomo completely takes over there (there is still some hope in the Eastern European states).
If you're in the U.S., save up and head to the Philippines -- while there are some cases of passport-bros being murdered, led astray, or swindled, it requires the same sort of diligence and intellectual wherewithal as anywhere else. Be smart about where you go and smarter about who you court.
But as others have said, there is no hope of casually finding a mate in the West. They are far too corrupted. Some men may get lucky and find some lass in the countryside of Wales, England, or Scotland, or somewhere in a remote mid-western town in the U.S., but otherwise the pickings are too slim, and the juice simply is not worth the squeeze.
So in this case, the classic saying 'Go west, young man" needs to be inverted to, "Go east, young man".
I'll be honest moving to the third world sounds like a bad idea. Stay near family and friend networks.
I agree, but there are no good solutions in today's modern era if you want to start a family.
Haha well that was a thing many men have resorted to in the past. But chances are if you're reading this you're in the top 10% of men worldwide regarding income. Things aren't that bad. Unless your serb or something then ya pm me for donations
Y'all motherfuckers are so disconnected from the real world it's astonishing. The Red Pill has value, but you're getting stuck in the internet.
Holy shit, every single day, thousands of men get married and stay into long-term relationships. Marriage and relationships are harder, but you are fucking crazy if you think it's not possible to have a healthy long-term relationship in any western country.
You need to be a strong, masculine, man who can provide, protect, and cherish a woman so that she can inspire, rejuvenate, and satisfy you. No, she is not going to leave for some "top 15%" if you actually develop a healthy relationship with her that can meet her metaphysical needs. Especially when she has kids, and eventually grand kids.
Yes, some of that means you're going to have to make a community, and yes: you are going to have to teach her your values.
But your perspective is going to poison your relationships going forwards if you keep it up.
Thousands marrying daily in a nation of 330+ million is very bad. About 2/3rds of American men aged 18-30 are single and I don't think it's any better in the rest of the so-called developed countries. It's an unprecedented situation pointing to a total collapse.
I say thousands because I am not quoting any particular numbers off my head.
I am aware of the demographic problem, but that is not the same as saying "flee for your wives!"
Yes, you can get married and have a long term relationship in the west. It's crazy to think otherwise. "Nope, sorry, I can't get married, I live in Denmark, it's unpossible" is not a reasonable opinion.
Those are all the exact same descriptions men use when they describe what their relationship was like before they found out their wife cheated on them.
Basically, the men who put in the most effort to keep their wife seem to be the ones who get cheated on the most.
You should really start watching SSM, there is about an equal amount of stories of seemingly stable relationships where the man does everything right, has kids, takes care of the household, and the wife still cheats. It's quite an eye-opener. Troy has multiple channels, thousands of videos, and it's rare that the guy who gets cheated on is some scumbag who was failing at his manly duties -- it's always the guys who give it their all to try to please their wife.
Not at all. It's actually helped me reflect on some major bullets I dodged in the past and put into perspective that had I married some women decades ago I would have likely ended up on channels like SSM crying about being cheated on, because I used to have the same blue-pilled outlook on how to treat a woman and manage a household.
EDIT: I should also point out that 70% of women in relationships are already courting multiple other suitors, and 50% of "happily married" women already have a backup replacement for their husband: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/relationships/love-sex/50-of-women-in-relationship-have-a-backup-partner-heres-what-you-need-to-know/photostory/105627606.cms
So basically, in today's Western society, no matter what you do, she is not yours, it's just your turn. Given your perspective on today's relationships it doesn't sound like you're married, though.
That very much depends on what that actually means. Relationships have a heart-beat rhythm. It's is give, pull back, be given, wait for their pull back, then give.
If you give 100% of the time and get nothing in return, then yes: you are cultivating your women to expect everything for nothing. That is your fault. You actually have to understand how a relationship works and feels for you to compel her and for her to compel you. That which is free has no value.
And instead you've completely poisoned your own perspective to the point you will never have a loving, long-term, relationship; because you've woven distrust into every axiom of your argument. Then you can be forever right and alone.
Not even a western society, and no citation.
GTFO of here. No, most women do not have any 'back-up' partners if they are in committed relationships already. Especially if they are pregnant or have kids.
Maybe they have simps that they will never actually commit to, if they aren't in a relationship; but that's a completely different thing.
And nothing you give is worth whatever they give in return, because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Whatever you give is pointless given that they are incentivised to take, and take, and take, and have zero reason to give in return because there is always another sucker or simp waiting around the corner thanks to no-fault divorce.
Any guy wasting his time trying to play these silly games of ebbing and flowing with another human being is just wasting his time. That's precisely why I suggested able men find a proper conservative wife in a place where they know their role without any of the silly games Western men have been brainwashed to believe they must play to attain a woman.
No, reality did that. It's called pattern recognition. Rich Cooper, Michael Sartain, and SSM consistently point to their own lives and plenty of men writing in that highlight a lot of truths that men are uncovering for themselves through hurt and heartbreak. When the stats, anecdotal and empirical evidence all point to the same thing, it's time to stop playing a rigged game. I get where you're coming from, but it's a position of naïveté.
It's funny because one guy followed all of SSM's red-flag checks, had been with his wife for years, and she still cheated on him. Turned out she had a secondary phone she was using so when he checked her main social media account and main phone, he couldn't find any red flags.
One-third of all marriages are sexless, and one-third of all men who take paternity tests find out they are not the father: https://dnatesting.com/30-of-men-not-the-father/
The reality is that most Western women out there marry their beta male for security/finances (a retirement plan basically) while cheating on him with Chad/Tyrone.
You can be incensed at the reality of it all, but it doesn't change reality.
https://youtu.be/hvjCmMnFjAg
"Only the state can govern incentive. I, as the object of her affection, have no power to incentivize her decision making."
That is precisely why you fail. If you can't incentivize her, it's because she's unattracted to you. You are saying: "I will make her unattracted to me."
It's called selection bias.
All available data suggests that married couples have more sex than unmarried ones.
Selection bias again. Lots of men who don't get paternity tests, know that they are the father.
I'm incensed that you are shooting yourself in the face so you can guarantee your immiseration. You are doing this to yourself.
This says it all, though. Early twenty guys are still trying to find their direction in life and sometimes they end up parking their asses in customer service positions until they finally find something. That's because college/university is extremely costly and not a financial commitment that you should casually make.
Those pajeets are probaby going to get deported to India without the country's consent.
TDS has basically ruined any ability to be friendly anymore. You can have small talk chats, but nobody wants to risk going too far on the offchance someone is on the wrong side.
Which means you end up having to build social circles around politics, which is never a healthy foundation nor conductive to lasting. You either stress each other out talking about how bad everything is or become increasingly insular by echo chambering yourself to purity test anyone else who dares.
That's an extreme example, but you know what I mean.
This is actually a pretty old thing. There are a lot of industries that pay a lot of money for obscene work schedules. Alaska is full of them, but the oil field is the one everyone knows. Heck even localized ones like trawling are out there.
Its the kind of job that only a young guy can do, because only they have the physical body that can work 20+ days in a row for 12 hours a day. The idea being that you do it for a few years while you are young and unattached, and then you have a massive leg up on everyone else monetarily once you go out. The only problem is the type of guys in those fields rarely have the long term planning skills to not blow it on alcohol, hookers/gold diggers, and bad investments. And because you are gone way too long for any girl to remain loyal (just like a military guy), its basically not even worth trying to get one.
Also, this is the post-social media age. Being "good looking" is like "has a high school degree" in terms of women's expectations. If you aren't top 10% then its not pulling a lot of weight for you. It can multiply other factors to pull them, but its not gonna be the main number.
You gotta have excitement factors, the kind of retarded stuff only women can appreciate. Selling drugs, wasting shit tons of money on travelling, wasting time on a band no one cares about, getting a dozen shitty tattoos. And every day Tiktok is creating another arbitrary standard that women will now care about that few guys can keep up with.
These guys fail the 80/20 principle by being average to only above average, and its how they've had this kind of massive industry for decades that you didn't even know about. Because they aren't just forgotten by women, but society as a whole. They work the jobs that keeps that society working, and then once their bodies/minds finally break they go home to drink in obscurity until they die.
I think you're correct about political stuff limiting people's social circles. The purity testing and antagonistic nature of social media culture also drives people apart.
Being good looking is important for sure. Status is important too. But I think mostly men are afraid of even trying anymore. They are afraid of being rejected and so they hide away and defer to women for guidance and judgement. Also porn really undercuts the male drive to find a sexual partner.
The fear is a least a little justified because thanks to feminism women seem to be ruder in general when they reject, or you run the risk of being accused of sexual harassment. If you are in college or the workplace, this is pretty much a death sentence for a man.
There's also that if you are an average or ugly guy and get rejected over and over again with no real success beyond one date for a girl, eventually that guy will say, "Why bother?" and could be working on personal improvement... or playing video games.
I understand men's frustrations, I share the view modern women are pretty trash. But any man who jerks off to porn knows it's wasting away their energy. It's pitiful and it sets you up for failure with real women.
Men need to encourage and help each other get away from porn, not languish in it. Porn is actively making you worse. It is not your friend. You are addicted and porn is a big reason why men stay single. It's numbing your pain for a moment, warping your view of sex for the worse, and weakens your resolve and ambition.
Without porn men would accomplish things but with porn men can trick their brain into thinking they are having sex and thereby destroy the motivation to actually have the real thing.
No woman worth a damn, and they do exist and are out there, will tolerate a porn addict. No man can rely on his friends if they are too busy blowing loads to computer screens and resting in their filth. No son wants to have a dad beating off to egirls and whores.
Tbh I don't really care about your opinion on this. I've heard the same crap on all the mgtow channels for years. And when I go look them back up it's still the same crap and they whine about women constantly. If you go mgtow fine, but mostly it's just whining about how hard it is to meet women. Ya we know.
Ah shit...I think this might describe a guy I know up in Alaska. He's doing tree work rather than oil fields, but I think he's on course for the going home to drink in obscurity part.
The thing is, while the description of it sounds terrible, its not inherently a bad life. If you believe a man can be happy without a wife/children, then its a completely valid lifestyle for a man to take for the course of his existence.
If you can get hours that aren't ridiculous enough that you end up in chronic pain/exhaustion and still have the ability/time to enjoy yourself, then it can be a simple, happy little existence.
Problem being there are legions of 19-23 year olds showing up every day brand new who will take those hours, so you absolutely need leverage to get such a setup.
This isn't true either. 'Good looking' is what a lot of women want. They would even give you a pass for being lower status if you're good looking enough. And the 'bad boy' thing is a phase that women go through in their twenties but once the nesting drive kicks in, they veer back to the 'good looking' type, and if that doesn't pan out, the dependable type.
You quoted the rest of the sentence so you should try to read it.
Their base line expectation is "good looking." Without it you aren't even on their radar enough to matter, not even human. Like a job that just throws away any applications below a certain degree level.
So every fucking guy she is even considering is going to be good looking (or rich) to her. So if you rely entirely on it, like so many fit gym bros do, then you are coming up short to a guy whose good looking and XYZ. Without being actual Brad Pitt level hot, its not always enough on its own. Which is why /fit/ is filled with actual incels with abs.
This is just a lie that women repeated enough times that they got guys to believe it. I've seen marriages of women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s ended so she can go chase bad boys who made them horny. They've left behind their children, structure, even good paying jobs. Heck I've been the guy doing it in some of those cases.
Women will always be horny for "bad boys" no matter what age until they reach the one where their libido dies. And society is filled to the brim with kids as walking proof that they will move mountains to try and force that bad guy into nesting with them. Its why single motherhood is such an epidemic.
The "after 30, women stop liking Chad Thundercock" is just a women narrative to keep men from giving up entirely so that they have a fall back guy with money.
That women have been told a lie is pretty evident to all.
It’s impossible to gauge the scale of these problems anymore. The internet is astroturfed to hell and back. The “official stats” are being collected by serial liars who hate you. The parallel that seems most appropriate is illegal immigration. They say it’s 11 million, but our lying eyes suggest it is so much worse. What if it was 50 million? How would you tell the difference?
Things could easily be ten times as bad as we are led to believe. How many generations away from 0.5 birthrates are we? What if we’ve already crossed that line? I guess I’m trying to say that our access to information isn’t nearly as good as we think it is. We might be three days away from the total collapse of the west, and there’s no good reason to think we would know it.
They were saying it was 11 million 20 years ago too. All the official public numbers about illegal immigration are totally fake.
Very true
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Asserting Judeo-Bolshevism.
I think it's getting really bad out there more so than people realize. I'm 36yo and I have refused to "drop out". I just hung out with a woman I've kind of been dating after work today watching the Canada vs. Argentina football game.
I've literally tried absolutely everything and continue trying new things. The latest thing I've been dabbling in is Sugar Daddy/Baby stuff.
Something I've noticed lately that wasn't the case 8 years ago is the sheer volume of single dudes that seem to be bi now and the number of single dudes with female friends. A decade ago, most guys would bail on girls who friend-zoned them and most guys were straight. I feel like the market is so bad for men to get women that men are becoming gay/bi because they have no other option and men that get friend-zoned by women still continue to be friends with the woman because they literally would have no other contact with women if they didn't. That seems to be the impression I'm getting of the situation when I "go out". And I'm out lots. I'm at bars/clubs/house parties like 2-3 times a week and I'm constantly meeting new people and trying new events around the city to meet people.
I imagine if this is what I'm encountering among the men that "go out", there's probably a significant amount of men that don't go out anymore because of how bad it is out there.
This Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby thing has taught me a lot too. I tried this like maybe 5 years ago and there wasn't really much going on back then. Today though, I am NOT exaggerating but there's more good looking Sugar Babies in my city than there are good looking women on Tinder. I've chatted with Sugar Babies who have Sugar Daddies in Europe that just send them allowance throughout the year and then get the Sugar Babies to come traveling with the guy a few times a year. When all these good looking women have this sort of system going, they aren't looking for serious long-term boyfriends, they're looking for fuck toys to have an orgasm here or there and that's it. This sort of system is completely pulling women entirely off the market. The sheer volume of 18yo girls wanting to be a Sugar Baby is worrying to. It's basically a viable career path for women now. Oh, and from my experience there's a lot of Sugar Babies that are encouraged by their mothers to do it so they "don't need no man" because of a failed marriage.
Last Saturday I was out at a restaurant/bar at a hotel that has the nicest view for miles where lots of weddings take place. I noticed a wedding party where a 50yo dude was marrying what appeared to be an 18yo girl. The wedding car he was driving in was a Ferrari. I think we've honestly hit a peak in society where women have so much value you pretty much have to buy the woman or you get none. You can rent a woman along with like 5 other guys but you're getting uber quality when you rent women. If you want the wife + kids with a decent woman you literally have to buy them. $200k-300k/yr I believe is the going price.
Anyway, my report is that things are significantly worse today than ever before and I think way more men are checked out than most people realize. Obviously, when you're out-and-about you see a lot of bf/gf or husband/wife couples but it's a bias because single people tend to not go out solo. I'm an anomaly in that regard and always have been. Most single guys/girls are sitting at home playing video games or doing something else than going to places where couples often go to.
There's going to be a group of guys that always succeed because of their natural attractiveness but these are your top 10% of men, which may even be the top 5% these days. If you're not in this group, you're out of luck or you have to end up with an ugly/fat woman (which isn't a problem for every guy). If you want a pretty woman with a decent personality and you're not in the top 5% of men, you're out of luck these days so I'd wager something like 50% of men have dropped out entirely, though most men who drop out will get back in the game if the opportunity comes along but most guys don't have much hope in that department.
It's not even a matter of "stopping the bitch from robbing you via divorce", that's just now part of the whole deal when you sign up for one. Women expect to be able to be given the get out of the relationship for half your stuff card to use whenever they want, otherwise they won't want anything to do with you.
That 50yo rich dude marrying the 18yo girl... You think she's going to be with him for the next 40 years until he dies? Hah, not a chance. He'll maybe get 7 years out of her before the divorce. She'll probably throw a few kids in there for good measure after she talks to a whole team of lawyers and family experts who all know what the best chances are for her to extract as much money from the guy when she leaves, who were coaching her before she even got marriage by putting those thoughts in her head. She'll tell everyone he was abusive and that this only changed after a few years of the marriage whereas before he wasn't like that so there was no way she could tell, boohoo. Same old story all women use that completely forgets to mention how she changed that led to his change in behavior also. It turns out when you go from BJs and sex everyday and "yes daddy, whatever you want" to I'm your equal partner in this equal marriage so you better listen here mister and do what I want, oh and I have a headache, that guys start to change from whatever my princess wants to live up to your end of the bargain bitch.
Anyway, if you aren't getting married expecting your marriage to end then you're doing it wrong it you're marrying a woman so low on the scale of what men like in women that it's going to be you eventually wanting the divorce, not her.
I'm divorced and she barely got anything. She got about $20k in total.
What you need to understand is that all women are whores, period. Where there's no cash exchanged, there's value being exchanged some other way. Some women are fine with men exchanging their looks, penis and work around the house in exchange for the woman because she knows she's worth relatively little money given how ugly/fat she is but the man isn't getting that pussy for free. He's paying somehow.
So while you're right that in theory no man should xyz regarding women because men should be the ones women are paying for not the other way around, in our current society if men try to transact with women such that women pay for the men then men end up with absolutely nothing. A big fat 0. You either pay women for their vagina or you get nothing. And you get what you pay for at the end of the day. Some guys try to game the system as much as they can but it usually doesn't pan out either because absolutely everything in our society is designed around teaching women how valuable they are and how they can best extract as much as they want from men. Shelter a woman from this and all it takes is a few hours on tiktok for her to have been indoctrinated by society enough to fuck you over and start demanding more payment.
You either pay for a woman's vagina or you get no vagina. That's how our society works.
You are correct on all points except your personal choice regarding what works best for you isn't necessarily the same for all men. I don't give a rats ass about continuing my genetic line. In fact, I never want my line to continue because if I hate this world then so will my kids. I'm committing genetic suicide because it's the honorable thing to do. I'd rather live the way I am now rather than trying to spite the system and take such a quality of life hit just so I can feel good about saying fuck you to the system but I make $150k/yr by doing fuck all. Other men may find themselves in different positions. If you've got fuck you money then it's better to waste it for your own gain rather than throw it away to prove a point. If you don't have fuck you money then bring the system down.
Well, on the positive side, I know a handful of young men that seem to be doing alright. Mostly a group of friends-of-a-friend that I gamed with, all in their 20s now. Common element--they all grew up in a small town in Texas with both parents around. It's something I picked up on back then, they still had a real sense of community, if that's even the best way to put it. I don't mean the faggotry community--maybe male camaraderie is a better description.
Then I look around myself, I'm in my 40s. Still feel like the youngest guy at work sometimes, so they aren't making it into those fields. Especially if I'm talking about young men in a male dominated field. It's a big corporation though, so that's expected. I really just string it along because I work from home mostly and get paid way too damn well for the 15 hours a week it really takes me. I do know one guy who's getting near 30 now, in his young 20s he did the go off and work somewhere thing and all for a handful of years. He's got the wife and kid now. So it's not necessarily stone.
Myself, I suppose I'm mgtow, although I'd say I was really going my own way since I was born for the most part. I've never been much to do what others do. I've never been in any sort of angry at women community or anything like that. Sometimes I think if I were to redo it, I'd find a woman in my young 20s, but other times I think I'm happy where I am. I've checked totally out of the female scene at this point, because there's nothing at my age but retreads and hidden problems. I've got enough friends though, good relationships with enough family and a few of the young boys (nephews and cousins) that give me a connection to the next generation.
Forty-somethings marry thirty-something women.
We are a low trust society now. This is normal unfortunately. One more reason to be racist and gatekeep a racially homogeneous community.
Are the Irish allowed this time?
And what about them Pride races?
There are very few men having families that are not religious.
One facet of decline I notice is related to driving. I've lived in various cities for years, and I've never seen more aggression on the road than I see now. Tailgating, honking at petty things, constant lane changing, the classic "drive slow until someone could pass you, then drive fast," risky turns that narrowly avoid collisions, even cars pulling forward right when a light turns green as if to hint that the driver in front of them has poor reflexes.
At least every other day there is a story in the news about a major car accident. And yes there are a lot of bad drivers and also poorly designed intersections in this city (don't get me started on the surprise lane merges), but if people were generally patient and friendly, many of those things would not happen.
In my city, it's happening because we have a ton of new East Africans who don't understand "roads" or taking care of property" so they constantly hit stuff and drive away.
Communists made it culturally illegal to enforce traffic laws if black people are involved, and every third world country on Earth is proof that you either have constant harsh enforcement of traffic laws or your driving conditions just keep getting worse.
You wouldn't believe how many times I've been passed by someone while crossing active school zones WHILE the schoolbuses are being loaded/unloaded.
And we're talking single lane residential streets.
The double punch of #MeToo and the psychic damage so many people took from the 2016 election broke the part of the social contract where men are allowed to be awkward and make mistakes around women or disagree with them about any political issue without it potentially derailing their entire life.
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To make sure we're on the same page, what do you consider to be "dropping out of society?"
Trust in the fellow man is effectively gone in the modern world. The first generations raised by helicopter or monitor parents and a nanny state are coming into their prime.
They may be well aware that you can instantly become a mortal enemy to someone because of seemingly trivial differences in opinion, so approaching others in public is a gamble. It's (maybe) less risky to screen for potential friends or dates online first.
The west has been shattered by multiculturalism, and several of those invasive cultures are retarded. Of course men are retreating to the isolation of their man caves. What’s the alternative? Comradery with people who don’t share any of your values? Who openly operate against your interests? Or making friends with fellow whites who happen to be crypto commies?
I've completely given up/dropped out of society.
I work my job and do it well and get my raises and promotions, I'm not such a skeeze that I'm a burden.
But I haven't bothered dating in 7 years. At first it was a break from all the whores and degenerate brainless retard women that are infesting gen z/millennial spaces, and then after a year I realized I felt fine enough without the constant chase for poon and decided I wasn't going to pursue anymore. The time has passed and now I happen to be several years into the voluntary celibacy/separation from dating.
I can't say I'm extremely happy about it because I know the perfect state of man is to be married and raising beautiful children, but I'm too put off by the hordes of awful women. I can't bring myself to sift through the piles of trash.
I've always been autistic and introverted anyways, so staying to myself and keeping my head down comes naturally. I'm complacent with doing my few small hobbies, working, and sleeping. It's not thrilling or anything to write home about. But I prefer it to all the drama.
Yeah looks like a lot of us here share the same sentiment
Would like a nice, simple girl and raise a family with her. But with the way the world is - and deliberately so - I'd rather not get tangled up given all the risks and outright hate towards men in general.
Last few weeks I have been trying dating apps and speed dating, etc. partly to see what it's like and to get my friends to shut up, plus to project that image of myself as a normie to the wider society. And all I've been seeing so far are either: middle-aged lawyers, fat girls, ones with clear mental disorders. Most other decent girls are getting old and very picky with their standards so hard luck for them
Men going their own way? Because society offers servitude or suffering? Off a cliff, into the unknown, or a dumpster?
Men must be the problem, not society. Fo sho
Im a millennial and have been married for 14 years . My wife and I both feel bad for Gen z trying to date. It seems impossibly difficult to find an eligible woman. You're either risking hooking up with an onlyfans whore, or a psychopathic leftist, or a hugely overweight girl that may not even have a decent personality
For me I refuse to allow perverts to watch me have sex, to spy on my wife and children 24/7, knowing that a non-zero number of them are corrupt pieces of shit. Thanks to a funny quirk of fate I happened to be celibate for over a decade now while I've been sorting out what influences were driving the perverse culture I got caught up in when I was younger. I was prepared to trust society and build a life again, with an incredible career, when the Covid lockdowns hit. Now that they've played their hand by showing that they're prepared to use all of the worlds resources in an attempt to force their surveillance state into place, I've decided to remain celibate until their bullshit has been resolved.
Same bro
Actually celibate? Or just not getting any?
Voluntarily
Have fun with a lifetime of celibacy then. :')
Thanks jackass, to you and everyone else who just sits by watching while humanity is enslaved by forces which never even asked you to surrender.
It's true that there is a lot of anti-white and anti-male bigotry in the Western world and that society/culture has largely become feminized, but what you said about being monitored while having sex.
What was that about?
It's about the always on surveillance technology which is recording everything it sees/hears. We are developing technologies which are rapidly becoming far too dangerous to a society which is willing to accept corruption as just a matter of fact. Even allowing corrupt actors to dominate won't save anyone, because simple mistakes will have increasingly catastrophic consequences.
Because scummy elites are scared that their evil will lead to something that will destroy this specie. But Tyranny and Chaos are the two face of the same coin, they cannot stop it.
Everything is fake and gay and not worth participating in anymore.
Speaking of my own experience, lived alone effectively since being a teenager, was lied to about the dating market as said teenager, had to build everything up from being homeless the second I left school and various other issues that do not pertain to a successful dating life. I quit dating at the end of 2016 because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Have been going my own way ever since and never been happier in that decision. Particularly when I see the cesspit dating is nowadays.
From other men I know, they either married the woman they met in high school or they are single and still on the dating apps and not succeeding. I think this issue goes a lot deeper than society would like to admit. But nothing will get done because it only affects 95% of men and who cares about them? The single women on the other hand, it's either lifetime celibacy by choice or even when they get to their fifties and sixties, never mind twenties and thirties, are getting offers from men left, right and centre.
I do think the red pill manosphere now is full of hucksters, cope, genetics denial and reality denial.
I guess I'm in the MGTOW camp too, though I'm fat so I don't qualify for the men described in your post, lol. (This is my fault and I know I need to change it.)
I've not completely "dropped out" since I'm working on a doctorate, but I definitely have no desire to "do anything" in the sense of having a real career. As long as I have a stable job and can make 50K a year, I will be completely content with that until I die.
To me, this society isn't really worth participating in except to care for my family as they grow old and guide the people I meet to Christ. I know the latter sounds cringe, but I think for me personally, that's the only thing I can do to help this society actually be worth living in.
What you're talking about is generally normal for Western men. They settle down in their early thirties, not twenties. And you can't really have a girlfriend when you're traveling for work to Alaska, now can you? The real question here is why they're traveling to Alaska for work (most likely well-paying rig work), but the question remains pertinent. They should have been able to find well-paying jobs in their own communities.
As for the gym dudes dropping out of local gyms because of tiktok gals. You can't convince me that tiktok gals have become such a plague that guys are dropping out in droves. In fact, gym dudes can be pretty ruthless, considering the type that routinely goes there. It all depends on the local gym and the social culture within.
The only way to win is not to play at all
We’ve gone from war games to whoregames.
I think this is mostly a young man thing, rather than a middle-aged man thing. Perhaps it's even just middle-class thing.
In the lower classes, among younger men, a lot dropped out and tend to stay poor. In the middle-class, almost all of them are married. So are all the women.