The old manosphere was great for comparing notes on what was going on. But the old red pill sites are mostly gone and have been replaced by a great deal of astro turf. Lately, I have noticed people aren't very friendly in public anymore. Asked around to some of the locals and they have told me no one goes out. Have to search to find people.
Also, I was talking with a younger dude who spends his summers going up to Alaska to work. I have known guys who have done that but didn't realize there was an extensive network of guys who do it. From what I gather a good chunk of these guys don't have wives or girlfriends, most are in their twenties but not all. The guy in question is tall, good looking, a very hard worker and a very nice guy. He made it sound like he didn't expect to get a girlfriend anytime soon, and didn't really expect to meet one. I have also known military guys who basically just dropped out of society and traveled. Also nice dudes. And then there was all the gym bros who dropped out after the Tiktok gals started harassing people at the local gyms.
How many young guys have just dropped out of society? I mean, all the dudes I cited are fit, good looking dudes. Just gone. It's hard to tell with the red pill videos as a good chunk of those guys are salesman selling their product, but how bad is it really now? Especially post covid. How many men just dropped out altogether? I'm getting the impression from this anecdotal evidence that it's getting worse, as there is always guys who drop out... But the majority didn't used to be dudes in their prime who were fit and good looking.
The same is true in my neck of the woods. I run a business where most of the available jobs are entry-level customer service positions, and I exclusively hire locals (high school and college students) as opposed to fresh-off-boat pajeets who can't speak English, which is the norm in much of Canada now.
Many of the young guys I hire are smart, athletic, driven, eager to learn. Some have already given up when they're not yet 20 and I can't get anything out of them, but even the guys who are engaged have very little ambition beyond earning enough money to buy new games or pay for their own car. None of them have girlfriends. One kid earns as much money off of Tik Tok as he does working for me, and has "Social Media Influencer" as a career choice. The two smartest are enrolled in post secondary programs for graphic design and programming respectively; careers that prioritize solitude over social interaction, despite both being relatively extroverted, funny and easy to get along with.
This trend has become much more pronounced since the plandemic. I can now expect the level of maturity from an 18-year-old employee that I would have seen in a 15-year-old pre-2020, with very few exceptions. That applies mostly to males, as maturity is (being charitable) much harder to gauge in females.
I'm not sure how much worse it can get. Men, especially young men, need to feel like they belong to something. The need for validation is entirely secondary in the male psyche to the need to feel that your efforts have value: that the thing you're working to contribute to is a worthwhile endeavor. We just don't have that for them anymore. Much worse than the endless denigration and demonization of whiteness and maleness that goes on in their schools and in all of the media they consume is the feeling that there is absolutely nothing in their lives or communities that is actually worth their efforts.
It really does feel like something is about to give. It could be a reset button, something that makes large numbers of them suddenly feel engaged again. Or it could be the opposite. Something that gives them no choice but to release all of the pent-up frustration which at the moment takes the form of nihilism. I would strongly advise the regime not to try to implement another draft: certainly not for a foreign proxy war like Ukraine or Taiwan. I get the feeling that will end very badly.
This is a great comment. You've encapsulated the lack of purpose. Materialism and consumption and globohomo is not motivating people to sacrifice for each other. Not even within families. This is a form of late stage industrialism.
For me I was blue pill, red pill, then found an amazing woman and have a family and my life is absolutely envigorating. I love it. Men need community and they need families. The most important thing men need to realize is we have to be striking, shrewd, and aggressive. Life for men is about carving out success for yourself. Life is not a game. It's about survival. Most men live in fear of society and never realize their potential because they want people's approval. The way of a man is to be rowdy and aggressive and have comraderie.
It's hard to have these things when you have products to consume, porn to jerk it to, and overwhelming nihilism online.
For anyone reading this: have humility and learn how to ask for help, admit your mistake or error, ask people how to learn new things earnestly, BUT never NEVER simp for bad women or roll onto your back like a coward.
Sure, but the laws prevent that from being possible in the West, and most young men cannot afford to uproot into another country without sizable resources.
The problem is that no-fault-divorce means every man who gets married is at risk of losing who he marries to a whim of her feelings, and these videos of women abandoning their husband over a moment of "feelz" are widespread and growing.
80% of divorces are initiated by women, and marriages these days are designed to reward the most disloyal of the two partners, which majority of the time happens to be women.
There is too much access to monkey branching suitors as well. Practically every woman has been convinced she can "do better", even when she can't. And so they all chase after the same top 15% of Chad/Tyrone whenever the opportunity arises, and every woman on social media basically has that opportunity presented to them constantly.
You are right that men need community and they need families, but you need an actual woman willing to start a family for that to happen. The thing is, a loyal wife who actually loves her husband is an absolute rarity; a unicorn in a sea of donkeys.
True. So what will you do anyway to create a family?
I would get out of western country first.
Me, personally? Way too old to be starting a family, and I have neither the energy, the patience, nor willingness to invest in the resources to do so.
However, for the young lads out there who care about starting a family as Socalwackjob mentioned, they will have to gather their wits about them and work hard to build resources so that they can get out of Western countries. If you're in the U.K., head east to Poland or Hungary before globohomo completely takes over there (there is still some hope in the Eastern European states).
If you're in the U.S., save up and head to the Philippines -- while there are some cases of passport-bros being murdered, led astray, or swindled, it requires the same sort of diligence and intellectual wherewithal as anywhere else. Be smart about where you go and smarter about who you court.
But as others have said, there is no hope of casually finding a mate in the West. They are far too corrupted. Some men may get lucky and find some lass in the countryside of Wales, England, or Scotland, or somewhere in a remote mid-western town in the U.S., but otherwise the pickings are too slim, and the juice simply is not worth the squeeze.
So in this case, the classic saying 'Go west, young man" needs to be inverted to, "Go east, young man".
Y'all motherfuckers are so disconnected from the real world it's astonishing. The Red Pill has value, but you're getting stuck in the internet.
Holy shit, every single day, thousands of men get married and stay into long-term relationships. Marriage and relationships are harder, but you are fucking crazy if you think it's not possible to have a healthy long-term relationship in any western country.
You need to be a strong, masculine, man who can provide, protect, and cherish a woman so that she can inspire, rejuvenate, and satisfy you. No, she is not going to leave for some "top 15%" if you actually develop a healthy relationship with her that can meet her metaphysical needs. Especially when she has kids, and eventually grand kids.
Yes, some of that means you're going to have to make a community, and yes: you are going to have to teach her your values.
But your perspective is going to poison your relationships going forwards if you keep it up.
Thousands marrying daily in a nation of 330+ million is very bad. About 2/3rds of American men aged 18-30 are single and I don't think it's any better in the rest of the so-called developed countries. It's an unprecedented situation pointing to a total collapse.
Those are all the exact same descriptions men use when they describe what their relationship was like before they found out their wife cheated on them.
Basically, the men who put in the most effort to keep their wife seem to be the ones who get cheated on the most.
You should really start watching SSM, there is about an equal amount of stories of seemingly stable relationships where the man does everything right, has kids, takes care of the household, and the wife still cheats. It's quite an eye-opener. Troy has multiple channels, thousands of videos, and it's rare that the guy who gets cheated on is some scumbag who was failing at his manly duties -- it's always the guys who give it their all to try to please their wife.
Not at all. It's actually helped me reflect on some major bullets I dodged in the past and put into perspective that had I married some women decades ago I would have likely ended up on channels like SSM crying about being cheated on, because I used to have the same blue-pilled outlook on how to treat a woman and manage a household.
EDIT: I should also point out that 70% of women in relationships are already courting multiple other suitors, and 50% of "happily married" women already have a backup replacement for their husband: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/relationships/love-sex/50-of-women-in-relationship-have-a-backup-partner-heres-what-you-need-to-know/photostory/105627606.cms
So basically, in today's Western society, no matter what you do, she is not yours, it's just your turn. Given your perspective on today's relationships it doesn't sound like you're married, though.
This says it all, though. Early twenty guys are still trying to find their direction in life and sometimes they end up parking their asses in customer service positions until they finally find something. That's because college/university is extremely costly and not a financial commitment that you should casually make.
Those pajeets are probaby going to get deported to India without the country's consent.