The old manosphere was great for comparing notes on what was going on. But the old red pill sites are mostly gone and have been replaced by a great deal of astro turf. Lately, I have noticed people aren't very friendly in public anymore. Asked around to some of the locals and they have told me no one goes out. Have to search to find people.
Also, I was talking with a younger dude who spends his summers going up to Alaska to work. I have known guys who have done that but didn't realize there was an extensive network of guys who do it. From what I gather a good chunk of these guys don't have wives or girlfriends, most are in their twenties but not all. The guy in question is tall, good looking, a very hard worker and a very nice guy. He made it sound like he didn't expect to get a girlfriend anytime soon, and didn't really expect to meet one. I have also known military guys who basically just dropped out of society and traveled. Also nice dudes. And then there was all the gym bros who dropped out after the Tiktok gals started harassing people at the local gyms.
How many young guys have just dropped out of society? I mean, all the dudes I cited are fit, good looking dudes. Just gone. It's hard to tell with the red pill videos as a good chunk of those guys are salesman selling their product, but how bad is it really now? Especially post covid. How many men just dropped out altogether? I'm getting the impression from this anecdotal evidence that it's getting worse, as there is always guys who drop out... But the majority didn't used to be dudes in their prime who were fit and good looking.
Sure, but the laws prevent that from being possible in the West, and most young men cannot afford to uproot into another country without sizable resources.
The problem is that no-fault-divorce means every man who gets married is at risk of losing who he marries to a whim of her feelings, and these videos of women abandoning their husband over a moment of "feelz" are widespread and growing.
80% of divorces are initiated by women, and marriages these days are designed to reward the most disloyal of the two partners, which majority of the time happens to be women.
There is too much access to monkey branching suitors as well. Practically every woman has been convinced she can "do better", even when she can't. And so they all chase after the same top 15% of Chad/Tyrone whenever the opportunity arises, and every woman on social media basically has that opportunity presented to them constantly.
You are right that men need community and they need families, but you need an actual woman willing to start a family for that to happen. The thing is, a loyal wife who actually loves her husband is an absolute rarity; a unicorn in a sea of donkeys.
True. So what will you do anyway to create a family?
I would get out of western country first.
Haha well that was a thing many men have resorted to in the past. But chances are if you're reading this you're in the top 10% of men worldwide regarding income. Things aren't that bad. Unless your serb or something then ya pm me for donations
Me, personally? Way too old to be starting a family, and I have neither the energy, the patience, nor willingness to invest in the resources to do so.
However, for the young lads out there who care about starting a family as Socalwackjob mentioned, they will have to gather their wits about them and work hard to build resources so that they can get out of Western countries. If you're in the U.K., head east to Poland or Hungary before globohomo completely takes over there (there is still some hope in the Eastern European states).
If you're in the U.S., save up and head to the Philippines -- while there are some cases of passport-bros being murdered, led astray, or swindled, it requires the same sort of diligence and intellectual wherewithal as anywhere else. Be smart about where you go and smarter about who you court.
But as others have said, there is no hope of casually finding a mate in the West. They are far too corrupted. Some men may get lucky and find some lass in the countryside of Wales, England, or Scotland, or somewhere in a remote mid-western town in the U.S., but otherwise the pickings are too slim, and the juice simply is not worth the squeeze.
So in this case, the classic saying 'Go west, young man" needs to be inverted to, "Go east, young man".
I'll be honest moving to the third world sounds like a bad idea. Stay near family and friend networks.
I agree, but there are no good solutions in today's modern era if you want to start a family.
Y'all motherfuckers are so disconnected from the real world it's astonishing. The Red Pill has value, but you're getting stuck in the internet.
Holy shit, every single day, thousands of men get married and stay into long-term relationships. Marriage and relationships are harder, but you are fucking crazy if you think it's not possible to have a healthy long-term relationship in any western country.
You need to be a strong, masculine, man who can provide, protect, and cherish a woman so that she can inspire, rejuvenate, and satisfy you. No, she is not going to leave for some "top 15%" if you actually develop a healthy relationship with her that can meet her metaphysical needs. Especially when she has kids, and eventually grand kids.
Yes, some of that means you're going to have to make a community, and yes: you are going to have to teach her your values.
But your perspective is going to poison your relationships going forwards if you keep it up.
Thousands marrying daily in a nation of 330+ million is very bad. About 2/3rds of American men aged 18-30 are single and I don't think it's any better in the rest of the so-called developed countries. It's an unprecedented situation pointing to a total collapse.
I say thousands because I am not quoting any particular numbers off my head.
I am aware of the demographic problem, but that is not the same as saying "flee for your wives!"
Yes, you can get married and have a long term relationship in the west. It's crazy to think otherwise. "Nope, sorry, I can't get married, I live in Denmark, it's unpossible" is not a reasonable opinion.
Those are all the exact same descriptions men use when they describe what their relationship was like before they found out their wife cheated on them.
Basically, the men who put in the most effort to keep their wife seem to be the ones who get cheated on the most.
You should really start watching SSM, there is about an equal amount of stories of seemingly stable relationships where the man does everything right, has kids, takes care of the household, and the wife still cheats. It's quite an eye-opener. Troy has multiple channels, thousands of videos, and it's rare that the guy who gets cheated on is some scumbag who was failing at his manly duties -- it's always the guys who give it their all to try to please their wife.
Not at all. It's actually helped me reflect on some major bullets I dodged in the past and put into perspective that had I married some women decades ago I would have likely ended up on channels like SSM crying about being cheated on, because I used to have the same blue-pilled outlook on how to treat a woman and manage a household.
EDIT: I should also point out that 70% of women in relationships are already courting multiple other suitors, and 50% of "happily married" women already have a backup replacement for their husband: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/relationships/love-sex/50-of-women-in-relationship-have-a-backup-partner-heres-what-you-need-to-know/photostory/105627606.cms
So basically, in today's Western society, no matter what you do, she is not yours, it's just your turn. Given your perspective on today's relationships it doesn't sound like you're married, though.
That very much depends on what that actually means. Relationships have a heart-beat rhythm. It's is give, pull back, be given, wait for their pull back, then give.
If you give 100% of the time and get nothing in return, then yes: you are cultivating your women to expect everything for nothing. That is your fault. You actually have to understand how a relationship works and feels for you to compel her and for her to compel you. That which is free has no value.
And instead you've completely poisoned your own perspective to the point you will never have a loving, long-term, relationship; because you've woven distrust into every axiom of your argument. Then you can be forever right and alone.
Not even a western society, and no citation.
GTFO of here. No, most women do not have any 'back-up' partners if they are in committed relationships already. Especially if they are pregnant or have kids.
Maybe they have simps that they will never actually commit to, if they aren't in a relationship; but that's a completely different thing.
And nothing you give is worth whatever they give in return, because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Whatever you give is pointless given that they are incentivised to take, and take, and take, and have zero reason to give in return because there is always another sucker or simp waiting around the corner thanks to no-fault divorce.
Any guy wasting his time trying to play these silly games of ebbing and flowing with another human being is just wasting his time. That's precisely why I suggested able men find a proper conservative wife in a place where they know their role without any of the silly games Western men have been brainwashed to believe they must play to attain a woman.
No, reality did that. It's called pattern recognition. Rich Cooper, Michael Sartain, and SSM consistently point to their own lives and plenty of men writing in that highlight a lot of truths that men are uncovering for themselves through hurt and heartbreak. When the stats, anecdotal and empirical evidence all point to the same thing, it's time to stop playing a rigged game. I get where you're coming from, but it's a position of naïveté.
It's funny because one guy followed all of SSM's red-flag checks, had been with his wife for years, and she still cheated on him. Turned out she had a secondary phone she was using so when he checked her main social media account and main phone, he couldn't find any red flags.
One-third of all marriages are sexless, and one-third of all men who take paternity tests find out they are not the father: https://dnatesting.com/30-of-men-not-the-father/
The reality is that most Western women out there marry their beta male for security/finances (a retirement plan basically) while cheating on him with Chad/Tyrone.
You can be incensed at the reality of it all, but it doesn't change reality.
https://youtu.be/hvjCmMnFjAg