The old manosphere was great for comparing notes on what was going on. But the old red pill sites are mostly gone and have been replaced by a great deal of astro turf. Lately, I have noticed people aren't very friendly in public anymore. Asked around to some of the locals and they have told me no one goes out. Have to search to find people.
Also, I was talking with a younger dude who spends his summers going up to Alaska to work. I have known guys who have done that but didn't realize there was an extensive network of guys who do it. From what I gather a good chunk of these guys don't have wives or girlfriends, most are in their twenties but not all. The guy in question is tall, good looking, a very hard worker and a very nice guy. He made it sound like he didn't expect to get a girlfriend anytime soon, and didn't really expect to meet one. I have also known military guys who basically just dropped out of society and traveled. Also nice dudes. And then there was all the gym bros who dropped out after the Tiktok gals started harassing people at the local gyms.
How many young guys have just dropped out of society? I mean, all the dudes I cited are fit, good looking dudes. Just gone. It's hard to tell with the red pill videos as a good chunk of those guys are salesman selling their product, but how bad is it really now? Especially post covid. How many men just dropped out altogether? I'm getting the impression from this anecdotal evidence that it's getting worse, as there is always guys who drop out... But the majority didn't used to be dudes in their prime who were fit and good looking.
That very much depends on what that actually means. Relationships have a heart-beat rhythm. It's is give, pull back, be given, wait for their pull back, then give.
If you give 100% of the time and get nothing in return, then yes: you are cultivating your women to expect everything for nothing. That is your fault. You actually have to understand how a relationship works and feels for you to compel her and for her to compel you. That which is free has no value.
And instead you've completely poisoned your own perspective to the point you will never have a loving, long-term, relationship; because you've woven distrust into every axiom of your argument. Then you can be forever right and alone.
Not even a western society, and no citation.
GTFO of here. No, most women do not have any 'back-up' partners if they are in committed relationships already. Especially if they are pregnant or have kids.
Maybe they have simps that they will never actually commit to, if they aren't in a relationship; but that's a completely different thing.
And nothing you give is worth whatever they give in return, because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Whatever you give is pointless given that they are incentivised to take, and take, and take, and have zero reason to give in return because there is always another sucker or simp waiting around the corner thanks to no-fault divorce.
Any guy wasting his time trying to play these silly games of ebbing and flowing with another human being is just wasting his time. That's precisely why I suggested able men find a proper conservative wife in a place where they know their role without any of the silly games Western men have been brainwashed to believe they must play to attain a woman.
No, reality did that. It's called pattern recognition. Rich Cooper, Michael Sartain, and SSM consistently point to their own lives and plenty of men writing in that highlight a lot of truths that men are uncovering for themselves through hurt and heartbreak. When the stats, anecdotal and empirical evidence all point to the same thing, it's time to stop playing a rigged game. I get where you're coming from, but it's a position of naïveté.
It's funny because one guy followed all of SSM's red-flag checks, had been with his wife for years, and she still cheated on him. Turned out she had a secondary phone she was using so when he checked her main social media account and main phone, he couldn't find any red flags.
One-third of all marriages are sexless, and one-third of all men who take paternity tests find out they are not the father: https://dnatesting.com/30-of-men-not-the-father/
The reality is that most Western women out there marry their beta male for security/finances (a retirement plan basically) while cheating on him with Chad/Tyrone.
You can be incensed at the reality of it all, but it doesn't change reality.
https://youtu.be/hvjCmMnFjAg
"Only the state can govern incentive. I, as the object of her affection, have no power to incentivize her decision making."
That is precisely why you fail. If you can't incentivize her, it's because she's unattracted to you. You are saying: "I will make her unattracted to me."
It's called selection bias.
All available data suggests that married couples have more sex than unmarried ones.
Selection bias again. Lots of men who don't get paternity tests, know that they are the father.
I'm incensed that you are shooting yourself in the face so you can guarantee your immiseration. You are doing this to yourself.
Right, because most dating sites unanimously indicate 80% of women are attracted to only 20% of men:
That goes back to my Chad/Tyrone references: Most guys getting married these days are not the men that women want to marry, but the men they marry for resources and stability, and nothing they do will ever win the woman over because she simply does not have a "genuine burning desire" for you, as Rich Cooper says.
You're actually right about that: while one-third of all marriages are sexless... https://www.statista.com/statistics/1367096/us-sexless-marriage-by-generation/
....66% of men have gone a year or more without any sex: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/
Personally, I have never had trouble getting women -- and ironically, more than not, they have not entirely been like most of the data suggests (I guess that would put them in the 20% range?). However, it doesn't change the red flags present, or the risks men run in the long run on average.
Also, you mentioned about women with kids not giving up the cushy life to cheat? I recently recall this story here... https://youtu.be/NE_Fw5bvyfA
A woman in the cushiest of life-styles cheats on a husband who works all day, helps with the kids, is -- in her own words -- practically perfect, save for that he doesn't spend enough time with her because he spends his free time doing charity work. He makes sure she has enough money to go on her "girls' trips", and provided her with a high-end lifestyle.
How does she repay him? Well, because he didn't kiss her goodbye at the airport, she was emotional and angry and let a man woo her and do her on the trip.
This goes back to what I said before... all it takes is one gust of emotional wind to change her mind about you at any one time; she's not yours, it's just your turn.
You're misreading how dating sites work, and what attraction actually means. It's more likely that most women are attracted to less than 1% of men, and most men are attracted to less than 1% of women. You're taking the pool of online dating profile candidates built around a website designed to cater to women's sex selection, and claiming it's an inherent part of women's neurology.
You failing to understand what motivates your partner is a personal failure, not a social one.
You're mistaking me saying youre immiserating yourself with calling you an incel. That's not the criticism. I'm saying you're choosing to ruin your life because of blind narrative.
You're inability to help the love of your life be stoic and feel secure is not my problem. We don't have the same issues, because you've created your own. A man needs to help a woman actually manage her emotions, not simply react to them as they happen.