The old manosphere was great for comparing notes on what was going on. But the old red pill sites are mostly gone and have been replaced by a great deal of astro turf. Lately, I have noticed people aren't very friendly in public anymore. Asked around to some of the locals and they have told me no one goes out. Have to search to find people.
Also, I was talking with a younger dude who spends his summers going up to Alaska to work. I have known guys who have done that but didn't realize there was an extensive network of guys who do it. From what I gather a good chunk of these guys don't have wives or girlfriends, most are in their twenties but not all. The guy in question is tall, good looking, a very hard worker and a very nice guy. He made it sound like he didn't expect to get a girlfriend anytime soon, and didn't really expect to meet one. I have also known military guys who basically just dropped out of society and traveled. Also nice dudes. And then there was all the gym bros who dropped out after the Tiktok gals started harassing people at the local gyms.
How many young guys have just dropped out of society? I mean, all the dudes I cited are fit, good looking dudes. Just gone. It's hard to tell with the red pill videos as a good chunk of those guys are salesman selling their product, but how bad is it really now? Especially post covid. How many men just dropped out altogether? I'm getting the impression from this anecdotal evidence that it's getting worse, as there is always guys who drop out... But the majority didn't used to be dudes in their prime who were fit and good looking.
Speaking of my own experience, lived alone effectively since being a teenager, was lied to about the dating market as said teenager, had to build everything up from being homeless the second I left school and various other issues that do not pertain to a successful dating life. I quit dating at the end of 2016 because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Have been going my own way ever since and never been happier in that decision. Particularly when I see the cesspit dating is nowadays.
From other men I know, they either married the woman they met in high school or they are single and still on the dating apps and not succeeding. I think this issue goes a lot deeper than society would like to admit. But nothing will get done because it only affects 95% of men and who cares about them? The single women on the other hand, it's either lifetime celibacy by choice or even when they get to their fifties and sixties, never mind twenties and thirties, are getting offers from men left, right and centre.
I do think the red pill manosphere now is full of hucksters, cope, genetics denial and reality denial.