It's funny because literally no one would know you had herpes if you didn't sleep around. You'd be less likely to catch it in the first place, in fact, it'd probably go damn near extinct if the social contract was put into its rightful place.
Now no one wants your ugly, smelly, diseased vagina. Deal with. If I had cysts and warts on my dick no one would want to come near me - the stigma exists for a good reason.
"STDs wouldn't exist if we had the social contract of yore" is provably false and a retard level take.
Sexual Disease was so rampant in the 1500-1700s that wigs and makeup to cover syphilis scars were accepted into mainstream culture which persists to this day.
More extreme measures would be required for the desired outcome.
Natural selection maybe, but part of "social contract" is illustrating these people for being exactly as disgusting as they are - making them feel shame for it. There is an entire social strata that you are ignoring that makes certain traits more or less desirable; reward and ostracization are two of the most potent factors within this domain, especially with women since they are a creature of flock consensus. The problem is we liberated them - everywhere you see this, this mistake is/was made.
Everything that you're seeing now is a push towards shamelessness. And you are correct in that "social contract" often does fall apart, it has a lifespan, but to say that it has never worked is absolute foolishness. That's like civilization should never be tried, because all civilizations have failed and will fail.
The extreme measures are part of enforcing this contract, or rather, establishing a new one.
Natural selection filled that role for a time, but now that we "manage" chronic disease and in some cases cure them, we have entirely removed natural selection from the equation.
I don't disagree that it is the natural safeguard, but we are far from it now.
Many of the "puritans" and protestants of the new world were just as guilty. Blackbeard attacked Charleston not for money, but for medicine...to treat syphilis. The fact that they knew a supply would be there tells you a lot for the demand at the time.
All the founding fathers of the US wore wigs. Franklin, arguably Quaker, was most notorious for his debauchery. Jefferson fathered children out of wedlock.
This mythical moral standards did not and has never existed.
Many of you seem to think I'm advocating all our hedonism, which is the exact opposite of what I'm saying. What I am saying is: moral standards are not enough to keep this in cheque and legal safeguards need to be in place for any hope.
All the founding fathers of the US wore wigs. Franklin, arguably Quaker, was most notorious for his debauchery. Jefferson fathered children out of wedlock.
This mythical moral standards did not and has never existed.
You just corroborated his point. Regals had the opportunity to engage in more debauchery than commoners -- the rules for thee, not for me dictum. Most commoners could not afford to engage in such trifles due to the difficulty in surviving at the time -- the social contracts held well for the commoners, opposite of how it is today where everyone is actively being encouraged from the top-down -- the zeitgeist -- to abandon shame, embrace pride, and act degenerate.
None of those are "royalty" of any sort, and in fact all despised the concept. Teach/blackbeard, nor his crew, definitely weren't and you conveniently ignore that fact. Also why was their so much medicine in Charleston for it if no one needed it?
As for Victorian era Britain, mothers were selling their teenage daughters into prostitution:
Teach/blackbeard, nor his crew, definitely weren't and you conveniently ignore that fact. Also why was their so much medicine in Charleston for it if no one needed it?
No one said no one needed it. You're engaging in the false dilemma -- we're talking about majority commoners. Were there people who did need it because they did mess around? Of course. But was it widespread and encouraged throughout the community of plebeians? Of course not. Since it wasn't like sex was promoted as a shameless pastime like it has been in modern times since the burgeoning of the sexual revolution.
As for Victorian era Britain, mothers were selling their teenage daughters into prostitution:
Those are rare cases that are present in any society where poor people do whatever is available to them to survive.
And just before then, the marquis de Sade wrote the literal book on sadism and sexual deviancy.
Yes, and he was forthright quite renown for his sadism and even jailed for it. It was not as if he was not brought before the court of public scrutiny for his debauchery, because he was -- it was not a commonplace occurrence among the populace.
The point remains. Some cultures and some people are more sexually virtuous than others.
De Sade was (at the time) and has always been held up as a extreme pervert. He died alone and penniless on the run from a death sentence. What he did was not embraced at the time, whereas BDSM is a cute hobby now. A woman could walk a man on a leash downtown in a major American city and do no more than raise a few eyebrows.
Law is downstream from morality and culture. I agree that there should be legal change. Bring back At Fault Divorce!
But a good start would be for men to start noticing that women with high body-counts are terrible wives. Next would be to notice that university graduates almost always have high body counts.
Bring back marriage as a contract between a man and a women before God.
From there we can move towards public parades of adulterers; both sexes for all I care.
But your idea that it was all the same debauchery forever? I don't agree. I just think that rich bastards always had more opportunity to do what they wanted, even if it was against the moral consensus of the day. To quote a certain movie: "It is good to be the king!"
Education about herpes IS needed, and is evident here. Even OP seems to think it makes your dick shrivel with boils 24/7, when in fact it's incredibly opportunistic and hides extremely well. Particularly on women it can be almost impossible to spot depending on how the labia is shaped. It may also be in areas covered by hair, which is why the "merkin" came into being around the same time.
Most people here seem to have zero experience with women, which I guess shouldn't be surprising. Most of the time these diseases are not obvious and I have seen young men get caught by this before. We need more education about these diseases, not less... But it needs to be truly academic and not as described in the article.
They generally don't/can't test for herpes. You have to be on the lookout and know signs.
And the men generally aren't plowing a lot, it just takes them trying to "save a ho", then they are entrapped with the woman forever sharing the disease. Seen it happen to good dudes.
Also likely the same individuals who would have shamed you for getting a common respiratory virus 3 years ago.
Just remember that anytime you see someone advocate to destigmatize STDs - these assholes unironically think their right to whore around is more sacred than your right to make a living, visit your mom in the nursing home, not be locked down in your house, not have medical interventions forced on you without your full consent, and have normal interactions with other human beings.
No use pointing out this hypocrisy to them - just keep it in mind if you ever have a chance to put them under the boot and start to feel remorse about doing so.
These same people couldn't be asked to refrain from their orgies while they had Monkey pox, a disease that only spreads thru direct contact while symptoms are visible.
Yeah, that person could be a married man with 3 kids and these retards will call him an incel. Some 30 year old virgin stink ditch tranny is a hero and not an incel to them though.
They also stigmatize men who do sleep around as "misogynists who only see women as sexual objects." Just because they like to have sex with men by the bulk doesn't mean they like or respect them. The men they screw are equivalent to janitors or garbagemen in the feminists' eyes; lowly, disgusting peasants doing them a service fit for their station.
Shockingly, there are a few sane comments at the bottom of the page.
We’re not ashamed! Here’s a novel of us excusing it.
Identifying as a victim is going way too far now
Easily treatable? Has the jurno not heard of the growing antibiotic resistant strains? Here is a better idea, use all precautions necessary, and if you can’t do that then don’t have sex and spread it further.
The "Q" part of the alphabet crowd essentially means exactly that, a shameless existence. It's the most potent part of the social acid of the LGBTXYZABC mental patients.
Suzanna says medics tried to reassure her that she had an extremely common infection. ‘I remember one nurse literally asked me outright why I was so upset. She was literally like, “it’s not that big of a deal.” But at the time, I just thought “How can it not be?”‘
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It was around this time that Suzanna also told friends and family about her herpes status, with a view to go public online. ‘Even at my lowest point, I always had an inkling I might speak publicly about this,’ she says. ‘I wanted to help other people.’
Suzanna says it took her a while to work up the courage to date.
‘I started by telling people on apps, as it felt easier. I was pleasantly surprised to find most people weren’t worried, or didn’t mind or weren’t afraid of it – and if they didn’t know much about it, they were keen to learn.
In March 2021, she posted on Instagram about having herpes – since then, her presence online has taken off, and she has over 295,000 followers on TikTok.
She's milking it, but at least she's alerting people that she not only has a STD but also a mental illness.
Lots of people have herpes without showing symptoms. These women are just the unlucky ones. The rest of the women are sleeping around with herpes without informing anyone.
Suzanna says it took her a while to work up the courage to date. ‘I started by telling people on apps, as it felt easier. I was pleasantly surprised to find most people weren’t worried, or didn’t mind or weren’t afraid of it – and if they didn’t know much about it, they were keen to learn.
‘They appreciated my honesty, and saw it as a green flag.’
If someone was scouting this chick for a fling, they're only thinking about using a condom right? And avoiding cunnilingus. Not that heavy of a burden for a short time.
Seems like it would drive away most people wanting kids, though, even by today's standards.
Men also have a natural intuitive sense to sniff it out as an evolutionary trait to avoid problematic women who may not be able to provide them with healthy offspring.
I kid you not, but the establishment is already trying to shame men who exercise this intuition by calling it "retroactive jealousy". They have channels and communities dedicated to and built around trying to get men to subdue or suppress their "retroactive jealousy":
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=retroactive+jealousy
It's always comforting to me to see people call it out for what it is, and help men to recognise that they are simply biologically reacting to and intuitively picking up that a woman is either lying about her past, or that her past consists of more bodies (and potential dangers) than what she may have let on.
But ultimately, it's good to see that at least majority of men in the West are forestalling any ails from women of that sort by abandoning relationships with the slatterns altogether.
I also dont understand the trend of calling people pedo for liking a younger face in gaming or anime. Its super odd since women have been trying to look "young" since forever with makeup. Young have various traits like skinny flat tummy, larger eyes, smooth skin.
Most men seek out younger looking women for relationship or sex. Younger means less body count too. Probably 20-26 is peak age for a woman. Any woman past 32 is pretty much high ass risk in terms of baggage and also higher risk of baby having congenital issues. An older woman could be attractive but its much rarer. They have to be super sexual and flirtious like a milf. And even then... its not really relationship material unless the dude has a fetish. Average dudes probably dont go for women older than 2 years than them.
Probably cuck dudes and jealous washed out feminist hags bitching.
yeah. not even talking about the usual suspect like someone like Marie Rose from DOA.. but even full booba girl is considered pedo. anyhting with big booba or pretty young face = pedo lol.
maybe its another way for feminists and old women to guilt guys into liking them.
maybe its another way for feminists and old women to guilt guys into liking them
The entire purpose of our media establishment today -- spread across the Western first-world nations -- is all about deconstructing masculinity. And I don't mean that in an academic sense, but in a literal cultural conditioning sense.
They are literally trying to program men to hate who they are and accept a falsehood of reality in order to maintain control of societal/political/cultural flow. Hence the push for "fat acceptance" and all of these other degenerate and fringe fetishes they want men to accept as "normal", all while brandishing a whip against anything remotely normal, attractive, or natural.
STDs mean you are a biohazard to any potential partner.
That's why STDs are shameful. It's the normal feeling someone gets for something very bad about them being exposed.
And offspring.
And public toilets.
It's funny because literally no one would know you had herpes if you didn't sleep around. You'd be less likely to catch it in the first place, in fact, it'd probably go damn near extinct if the social contract was put into its rightful place.
Now no one wants your ugly, smelly, diseased vagina. Deal with. If I had cysts and warts on my dick no one would want to come near me - the stigma exists for a good reason.
"STDs wouldn't exist if we had the social contract of yore" is provably false and a retard level take.
Sexual Disease was so rampant in the 1500-1700s that wigs and makeup to cover syphilis scars were accepted into mainstream culture which persists to this day.
"The social contract" was always a lie.
Retard. Even more so, if that was barely keeping a lid on this shit you definitely don't want it gone altogether. Also, the where and when matters.
The point is it never worked in the history of the West and "going back" to it won't work either.
More extreme measures would be required for the desired outcome.
Natural selection maybe, but part of "social contract" is illustrating these people for being exactly as disgusting as they are - making them feel shame for it. There is an entire social strata that you are ignoring that makes certain traits more or less desirable; reward and ostracization are two of the most potent factors within this domain, especially with women since they are a creature of flock consensus. The problem is we liberated them - everywhere you see this, this mistake is/was made.
Everything that you're seeing now is a push towards shamelessness. And you are correct in that "social contract" often does fall apart, it has a lifespan, but to say that it has never worked is absolute foolishness. That's like civilization should never be tried, because all civilizations have failed and will fail.
The extreme measures are part of enforcing this contract, or rather, establishing a new one.
Natural selection filled that role for a time, but now that we "manage" chronic disease and in some cases cure them, we have entirely removed natural selection from the equation.
I don't disagree that it is the natural safeguard, but we are far from it now.
I don't think you understand how extreme I want. I view even the peaks of prudishness as being too weakhanded.
Those were the aristocracy. French royal courts etc, which were famous for their degeneracy.
The Puritan movement and, later, Victorian sensibilities were a response to that degenerate bullshit.
I remind you that the British Empire reached its height in the Victorian age.
Want to point to the orgies of the late Roman empire and declare that everyone, everywhere has orgies?
Some great posts in this thread
Not at all.
Many of the "puritans" and protestants of the new world were just as guilty. Blackbeard attacked Charleston not for money, but for medicine...to treat syphilis. The fact that they knew a supply would be there tells you a lot for the demand at the time.
All the founding fathers of the US wore wigs. Franklin, arguably Quaker, was most notorious for his debauchery. Jefferson fathered children out of wedlock.
This mythical moral standards did not and has never existed.
Many of you seem to think I'm advocating all our hedonism, which is the exact opposite of what I'm saying. What I am saying is: moral standards are not enough to keep this in cheque and legal safeguards need to be in place for any hope.
You just corroborated his point. Regals had the opportunity to engage in more debauchery than commoners -- the rules for thee, not for me dictum. Most commoners could not afford to engage in such trifles due to the difficulty in surviving at the time -- the social contracts held well for the commoners, opposite of how it is today where everyone is actively being encouraged from the top-down -- the zeitgeist -- to abandon shame, embrace pride, and act degenerate.
None of those are "royalty" of any sort, and in fact all despised the concept. Teach/blackbeard, nor his crew, definitely weren't and you conveniently ignore that fact. Also why was their so much medicine in Charleston for it if no one needed it?
As for Victorian era Britain, mothers were selling their teenage daughters into prostitution:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Maiden_Tribute_of_Modern_Babylon
And just before then, the marquis de Sade wrote the literal book on sadism and sexual deviancy.
Feminism traces it's roots to then as well.
This was not the era of morality you all believe in.
No one said no one needed it. You're engaging in the false dilemma -- we're talking about majority commoners. Were there people who did need it because they did mess around? Of course. But was it widespread and encouraged throughout the community of plebeians? Of course not. Since it wasn't like sex was promoted as a shameless pastime like it has been in modern times since the burgeoning of the sexual revolution.
This has been going on since the dawn of civilisation: https://www.cairn.info/revue-d-assyriologie-2017-1-page-9.htm
Those are rare cases that are present in any society where poor people do whatever is available to them to survive.
Yes, and he was forthright quite renown for his sadism and even jailed for it. It was not as if he was not brought before the court of public scrutiny for his debauchery, because he was -- it was not a commonplace occurrence among the populace.
You have presented zero evidence besides your feelings on the matter and it's not terribly convincing.
The point remains. Some cultures and some people are more sexually virtuous than others.
De Sade was (at the time) and has always been held up as a extreme pervert. He died alone and penniless on the run from a death sentence. What he did was not embraced at the time, whereas BDSM is a cute hobby now. A woman could walk a man on a leash downtown in a major American city and do no more than raise a few eyebrows.
Law is downstream from morality and culture. I agree that there should be legal change. Bring back At Fault Divorce!
But a good start would be for men to start noticing that women with high body-counts are terrible wives. Next would be to notice that university graduates almost always have high body counts.
Bring back marriage as a contract between a man and a women before God.
From there we can move towards public parades of adulterers; both sexes for all I care.
But your idea that it was all the same debauchery forever? I don't agree. I just think that rich bastards always had more opportunity to do what they wanted, even if it was against the moral consensus of the day. To quote a certain movie: "It is good to be the king!"
There's a fine and important distinction between "not completely effective" and "total lie."
"Breaking the stigma" and "educating" about herpes can only hurt everyone.
Education about herpes IS needed, and is evident here. Even OP seems to think it makes your dick shrivel with boils 24/7, when in fact it's incredibly opportunistic and hides extremely well. Particularly on women it can be almost impossible to spot depending on how the labia is shaped. It may also be in areas covered by hair, which is why the "merkin" came into being around the same time.
Most people here seem to have zero experience with women, which I guess shouldn't be surprising. Most of the time these diseases are not obvious and I have seen young men get caught by this before. We need more education about these diseases, not less... But it needs to be truly academic and not as described in the article.
We could all stand to be more worldly, but dudes shouldn't be plowing a bunch of women either.
As Tony Soprano said, "I've been teshted! Who do you think I am!" Probably a good idea to start there for LTRs etc.
They generally don't/can't test for herpes. You have to be on the lookout and know signs.
And the men generally aren't plowing a lot, it just takes them trying to "save a ho", then they are entrapped with the woman forever sharing the disease. Seen it happen to good dudes.
It should be justifiable to kill the woman for that, she stole the man's life so it's only justifiable for him to be able to steal hers.
We need leper colonies for these whores.
Are these the same individuals who will happily stigmatise men who don't sleep around as "incels". Right?
Also likely the same individuals who would have shamed you for getting a common respiratory virus 3 years ago.
Just remember that anytime you see someone advocate to destigmatize STDs - these assholes unironically think their right to whore around is more sacred than your right to make a living, visit your mom in the nursing home, not be locked down in your house, not have medical interventions forced on you without your full consent, and have normal interactions with other human beings.
No use pointing out this hypocrisy to them - just keep it in mind if you ever have a chance to put them under the boot and start to feel remorse about doing so.
These same people couldn't be asked to refrain from their orgies while they had Monkey pox, a disease that only spreads thru direct contact while symptoms are visible.
Exactly
No, an incel is anyone who makes a valid argument against something you said online.
Yeah, that person could be a married man with 3 kids and these retards will call him an incel. Some 30 year old virgin stink ditch tranny is a hero and not an incel to them though.
They also stigmatize men who do sleep around as "misogynists who only see women as sexual objects." Just because they like to have sex with men by the bulk doesn't mean they like or respect them. The men they screw are equivalent to janitors or garbagemen in the feminists' eyes; lowly, disgusting peasants doing them a service fit for their station.
Shockingly, there are a few sane comments at the bottom of the page.
Herpes is viral, so antibiotics won't do shit. You're stuck with it until you die, but that's too abstract for a woman to comprehend.
You aren’t entitled to a shameless existence.
The "Q" part of the alphabet crowd essentially means exactly that, a shameless existence. It's the most potent part of the social acid of the LGBTXYZABC mental patients.
Not even visible herpes can fuse accountability to women.
LOL, even when excusing themselves they still have to blame men.
"Think of a man, then remove all reason and accountability"
Social-media fueled narcissistic personality disorder:
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She's milking it, but at least she's alerting people that she not only has a STD but also a mental illness.
Yeah, that's why you have herpes..
Thanks for letting us know.
Reminder:
"CDC: Nearly 50% of Black Women Ages 14 to 49 Have Genital Herpes"
https://www.poz.com/article/Blackwomen-genitalherpes-cases-18159-9438
How many have toxo from all the cats they own? 🤔
Lots of people have herpes without showing symptoms. These women are just the unlucky ones. The rest of the women are sleeping around with herpes without informing anyone.
Filthy whores should always be shamed.
Shame works.
You don't deal with herpies through shame, we need leper colonies for it.
nah you definitely should be shamed into celibacy and isolation.
Those poor cats.
Challenge accepted.
If someone was scouting this chick for a fling, they're only thinking about using a condom right? And avoiding cunnilingus. Not that heavy of a burden for a short time.
Seems like it would drive away most people wanting kids, though, even by today's standards.
Unfortunately men don't have room to be picky, either we condemn our genetic line to living with an incurable disease or we never reproduce at all.
National STI day?? Lol
The higher the body count, the less a woman is worth. These whores keep trying to justify, make reasons and try to shame people who shame whores lol.
Unfortunately its working. Mainstream wise. But men knows and still reject them as relationship material.
Men also have a natural intuitive sense to sniff it out as an evolutionary trait to avoid problematic women who may not be able to provide them with healthy offspring.
I kid you not, but the establishment is already trying to shame men who exercise this intuition by calling it "retroactive jealousy". They have channels and communities dedicated to and built around trying to get men to subdue or suppress their "retroactive jealousy": https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=retroactive+jealousy
It's always comforting to me to see people call it out for what it is, and help men to recognise that they are simply biologically reacting to and intuitively picking up that a woman is either lying about her past, or that her past consists of more bodies (and potential dangers) than what she may have let on.
But ultimately, it's good to see that at least majority of men in the West are forestalling any ails from women of that sort by abandoning relationships with the slatterns altogether.
I also dont understand the trend of calling people pedo for liking a younger face in gaming or anime. Its super odd since women have been trying to look "young" since forever with makeup. Young have various traits like skinny flat tummy, larger eyes, smooth skin.
Most men seek out younger looking women for relationship or sex. Younger means less body count too. Probably 20-26 is peak age for a woman. Any woman past 32 is pretty much high ass risk in terms of baggage and also higher risk of baby having congenital issues. An older woman could be attractive but its much rarer. They have to be super sexual and flirtious like a milf. And even then... its not really relationship material unless the dude has a fetish. Average dudes probably dont go for women older than 2 years than them.
Probably cuck dudes and jealous washed out feminist hags bitching.
Old roasties pissed about being unwanted and men who are coping about having missed their chance for an attractive woman.
Projection. As we've seen many times over the years, the people shouting the loudest are oftentimes groomers/pedos themselves.
Those are the exact people complaining about it. Men with no backbone and women who don't want to take accountability for being whores.
yeah. not even talking about the usual suspect like someone like Marie Rose from DOA.. but even full booba girl is considered pedo. anyhting with big booba or pretty young face = pedo lol.
maybe its another way for feminists and old women to guilt guys into liking them.
The entire purpose of our media establishment today -- spread across the Western first-world nations -- is all about deconstructing masculinity. And I don't mean that in an academic sense, but in a literal cultural conditioning sense.
They are literally trying to program men to hate who they are and accept a falsehood of reality in order to maintain control of societal/political/cultural flow. Hence the push for "fat acceptance" and all of these other degenerate and fringe fetishes they want men to accept as "normal", all while brandishing a whip against anything remotely normal, attractive, or natural.
It's working because there are no other options. We're desperate.
"Wanna bet?"