The EV cult is straight up delusional, at this point.
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Lmao, well not if you drive electric no.
Sure it will "last" 150,000 miles, but the battery's max capacity is 35% of original by the time the car hits 15,000 miles.
Seriously? That's madness.
Batteries don't like heat, and both driving and charging the EV introduces heat into the system.
Batteries don't like cold either, as it slows down their internal chemical reactions.
About the only environment batteries like are laboratory settings with a consistent 68 degrees Fahrenheit.
Not only that: summer you want to put in AC, reducing your range. Winter you want to out on heating reducing your range also. People just never think things through.
I can't use my ebike in Temps over 32 degrees celsuis
No he's being rhetorical. Battery degradation sucks though. My iPhone on 85% of its original life feels like it's 50%.
We have no reason to believe the “battery health” reported to us by the operating systems installed on our phones. Cell phone makers have every reason to concoct utterly retarded metrics that wildly understate performance loss over time. As you say, an “85%” battery feels like a 50% battery - probably because it is actually the latter.
Depends on the EV. I owned a Leaf. I kept it in a temperate climate and always charged properly to specs, and before 70k miles it was down to about 40% range.
I have zero doubt it'll be unusable before it could have ever hit 150k.
A Leaf, eh?
There was a court case here in Australia. Nissan was selling a replacement (discounted) battery for more than the resale price of the car. This was in spite of there being a serious design fault in the early Leaf batteries that seriously degraded their lifespan.
Early Leaf models had batteries that didn't have an active cooling system, that is a fluid pump and radiator. The heat issues drastically shortened the battery life.
Holy shit. That’s insane. And I’ve considered getting one.
I guess you have to budget for a new battery every 5-10 years? EV companies will need to step up and make that something like 10k with financing or most people will bail.
I assume so. I sold that shit for 80% of the price I paid for it after getting 7 years out of it. The used car market hasn't entirely realized how badly electric vehicles depreciate.
Lol. My truck currently has 140k miles on it and is on track to last well beyond 250k. My last vehicle had 220k before I got rid of it.
These people live under a rock.
I hit 250000 months ago. Dodge ram 1500. I've only replaced the water pump and radiator. Now im crossing my fingers that I haven't jinxed myself by talking about it.
They live in cities manly West Cost Silicon Valley types with their longest commute being an Uber to Burning Man.
Both of my cars are over that.
That's baby mileage. What are they talking about?
Yes, I know the idea that people are never going to put more than 150k miles on their car is stupid. Yes, I know that the idea battery recycling is somehow able to turn in billions of dollars and one day bring in trillions is ridiculous. But the idea that battery supply chains will be closed loops is completely out of touch with reality. You would have to completely ignore physics principles like entropy and conservation of mass in order to think something this fucking stupid.
Well said, but they ignore even basic observable human biology so abstract ideas like entropy are no problem to deny!
It'll be like plastics. In theory you can recycle batteries, but the cost to separate the components is so much more than just making them from raw materials.
So it'll only get done by laws and regulations.
Which means more expensive future batteries.
There isn't enough copper on the planet for everyone to have an EV. Some people will have to go without: i.e. you.
Hell there aren't enough power plants on earth to charge everyone's car's battery if everyone switched over to EV.
Capture asteroids with Elon's space roadster!
Save this post and come back to it in 2025.
Strategically this is the direction the globalists/marxists are headed. A "closed loop economy" And if you follow down the rabbit hole it's alchemy/hermetic magic in that it changes matter into other matter via magic. Because there's no way you can have a perfectly closed system. (it's just rebranded marxism)
This is going to appear more and more as the "donut economy" or "degrowth" matching the "UN 17 sustainable development goals" (Apparently 17 is considered a magic number in hermeticism for some reason)
Remember this post and each time you see it more and more as "reducing waste" and "sustainability" become the new catch all terms. Corporate logo's will start getting a lot more circular and all start to look like this
The obvious Hermetic Alchemical Gnosticism of the elite was a shocking discovery for me. The other occult belief system at work within the globalist elites is of course Kabbalah, though they are clearly related.
What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics?
EV = Exploding Vehicle?
AKA a UV (uninsurable vehicle). Don't park these bombs in your garage folks!
Eternal volcano 🌋
There's an open loop in that area above their shoulders that needs to be fixed.
If the materials don't degrade then they wouldn't need to be replaced. I could've stopped reading at the bit about 150 thousand miles, but this piece managed to get even more retarded than that.
Okay, cool, get back to me then and I'll consider it.
Unrealized potential means nothing. If your argument about something's present worth hinges on how good it might be in the future... you might believe you're a forward thinker and a savvy investor, but all you're doing is dabbling in speculation, and chances are you're too short sighted to have the first clue what you're doing.
Me, I'm more concerned with the electric grid's ability to keep up with demand - which it already struggles with. They're trying to push a complete conversion to electric cars when they don't even have the infrastructure for it. And they don't seem to care that they don't have the infrastructure for it. They don't even seem to realize.
Like I said, short-sighted.
Feminist science in action. Complete and utter delusion.
Wut? I've moved cars with 300K on the freaking things. They were basically clapped out wonders that used-car dealers used as beaters, but they were still good enough to be Ontario street legal ...
I’d love an electric car. I hate oil changes and gas stations, where homeless and poors live to harass you.
The range is just not good enough for my occasional travel by car, though. And charging takes too long.
But, muh 5 cent deposit!
In the context of profit, if your state does a deposit for plastic bottles, recycling can be lucrative as long as you are picking up plastic that other people paid the deposit for.
At this point?
The numbers are optimistic, but in principle this is not wrong. The lithium atoms don't disappear, they're still in the battery and can be recovered. Yes it's difficult and requires energy, but no more so than extracting it from natural ores. The batteries degrade, but the minerals do not.
But the total amount of lithium available in the earth's crust is not the problem right now. The problem is the processing and refining capacity that we currently have, which is not enough. Battery recycling is essentially the same problem as refining, but with some added steps, so it's not the solution right now.
Serious question: What part of a milk jug can't be recycled?
I don't recycle them anyway, I'm honestly curious.
This is going to blow your mind, but plastics actually really suck at being recycled. You know all those endless bottles and plastic containers you throw in the recycling bin? You know where they end up?
In the ground, as landfill. Because that's all it's good for.
Plastic degrades and has to be hyper-sorted before recycling and it costs about 5x as much to recycle plastic as it does to make new plastic.
tl;dr, recycling is a scam and is just a fancier way of saying 'landfill'.
The hippies living in cities large enough to have single-stream recycling still manage to be awful at sorting. I see people throwing straight-up garbage in public recycling bins, and that contaminates the entire batch.
What's the point if it's just another glorified garbage can?
Apartment dwellers are the worst. They'll walk their dogs and put the dog shit bags in the recycle bins in front of people's homes even though they are bright fucking blue with a giant recycle symbol on them. They either are so dumb they don't know blue bins are for recyclables only, so dumb they don't know bagged dog shit isn't considered a recyclable, or such selfish cunts they don't care and do it anyways.
The fuckin retards in my neighborhood routinely bag their dogs shit and then leave it sitting on the curb or even in the middle of the road. I've lost count of the number of bags of shit I've seen pancaked on the road by cars running them over.
Seen that too. And of course some people walk their dogs who then shit on the sidewalk and dont pick it up.
Somebody walks by and drops cans of cheap malt liquor. Or drives by. I hope they are walking by. This happens constantly. And it's supposedly a nice neighborhood.
All mine goes to the same place, so IDGAF.
Metal recycling is not a scam. Plastic is.
Metal recycling isn't a scam, but a metric shitload is landfilled because separating plastic and cans is a pain in the ass.
Easy way to tell: In the suburbs, if you put out a big pile of plastic on your front lawn, it'll be there a million years from now. If you put out a big pile of metal on your front lawn, it'll be gone in an hour or two by scrappers who make good money recycling metal.
If recycling plastics was anywhere near profitable, they'd be gone in moments, too. The only plastics you're getting rid of are plastic shielding on big metal things.
I knew it was a scam, I was just curious about what he meant behind "can't reuse 100% of a milk jug" because that implies that there are some parts of a milk jug that CAN be recycled.
Any time you recycle anything there's waste in the process. Assuming the entire jug is recyclable, you'll loose a certain percent of the mass of the plastic by melting or grinding it to be used. Even if you cut it you still lose some of it.
Polymers (plastics) become strong through a process called cross-linking.
A polymer is a ultra-long molecule. Think of a regular molecule as a pea, where as a polymer is a strand of noodles.
When a plastic is poured into shape, cross linking ties every noodle together where they touch. This gives the plastic a fixed shape.
When you recycle the plastic, either through heating them (for thermo-plastics) or melting them with solvents like acetone, most of the polymers are conserved. That is the macro-molecules remain long.
However the properties that allow cross-linking between the polymer strands is severely degraded.
I will give you an example. DVD cases made out of recycled plastic are brittle and break easily. They are utterly shitty for the job of keeping your DVDs safe.
Some plastics are more recyclable than others. Some plastics are strong enough that even at 50% strength they are still useful. MOST are not.
For example, recycling plastic milk jugs would see milk jugs shredded and then combined with 50% new plastic to produce a milk jug that is 50% recycled plastic.
I've found that lids and caps are pretty bad since they're often made from #5 plastic over #1 or #2.
This is true. The correct way to "recycle" plastics is probably to burn them in a controlled environment to recover the energy. Then ideally use plants/bioreactors to produce new monomers from atmospheric CO2 and polymerize them.