Ah, but if you don't have crime, how do you keep people scared and voting for more daddy government to keep you safe?
Singapore doesn't have that problem, because they're essentially already ruled by tyranny. A prosperous one for the people (such that it serves the tyrants), sure, but tyranny none the less.
Totalitarian or authoritarian would be better words. (and I don't know if it's really that either) Where minor public and private interactions are controlled and regulated by the state or dictator. Tyranny is the bad form of authoritarianism where good law abiding citizens are harassed. I don't think it's that bad in Singapore.
Singapore forces you to save for your own healthcare and retirement by taking a percentage out of your paycheck and put into dedicated accounts under your name. Not like the giant Ponzi scheme that is US Medicare or Social Security.
Mr Taylor claimed crime was “virtually non-existent in Singapore” due to “extremely strong deterrence … coupled with care about who they let in the country” that had created a “remarkably safe country with a pervasive, productively law-abiding culture”.
If you want a youtube vid that goes into the details.
Singapore is run like a very successful corperation, which the government there pours money back into the civilian sector. There's an understanding between the government and citizens that if either fail, Singapore, who's geographically small next to Thailand and Malaysia and has to import most of it's food but is financially rich due to tourism, being the center of asian finance due to low taxes and having one of the best health-care systems in the world to the point that North Korean dictators travel there for surgery. if one of them fails, the country starts to come apart, the collectivism keeps them strong against their big northern neighbor China and US interests in the region.
Something important missed from the title: "our leaders decide every day they'd rather [YOU] have crime". I'm pretty sure their gated communities and private security are perfectly safe.
I haven't watched that particular channel, but I did live in Korea for 5 years... a lot of what you said rings true... it has good and bad aspects just like anywhere else.
Best example I can always come up with to highlight the core cultural difference:
About 10 years ago there was a horrific ferry disaster in South Korea. A lot of people, including students, died when their boat sank. The reason so many people died is that they stayed below decks even as water was rushing in because the captain (who later escaped) told them to remain below decks.
If that happened in the west, the loss of life would have been significantly less because westerners aren't going to blindly listen to authority. As soon as the boat started tipping or water started coming in people would be running to the top decks and demanding answers.
Just consider how much of that ethos you can tolerate. Even as a foreigner I was expected to defer to authority in the workplace.
I will echo the sentiment about 'not being friends with the usual Japanese' (Koreans in my case). Foreigners will never be accepted into the culture and you just... accept it. You certainly can't change it.
I saw this weird English teacher on YT, and he's like "why am I poor? Why will no one hire me?" And I'm like you don't fit in. Japan has no place for your fuckin quirkiness. Leave.
I met some amazing people from all six continents in my time there. But the worst -- the absolute worst -- people I've ever encountered were the "Seoul foreigners."
I made the mistake of living there one year -- none of my coworkers spoke or could even read Korean, and had no interest in learning. They would go to Hongdae (college party neighborhood) 5-7 nights per week and hang out with other foreigners and pretend they're cultured.
But to another, interesting point -- my wife had a Japanese colleague who was here in the US doing research for a year. We didn't see each other often but we were like best friends when we did, and I think it's because we each had that shared experience of living in a foreign culture.
The biggest problem I had when I worked in Asia (S-Korea and Japan) was the absolute deference to authority. I am a law-abiding citizen, but my work often forces me to confront local police or the DA office (security related). There are many steps I can take in escalating order and I usually manage to get a fair conclusion.
In Asia this is different. People immediately assume you are in the wrong, the moment any figure of authority tells them to. Doesn't matter how outlandish or unreasonable their claims are. You are "rocking the boat" and therefore you need to change or yield. Personally I find this unbearable, but it seems to work for them.
Adding to your point about being a foreigner, I have to say that this wasn't much of a problem. It comes with additional responsibilities, but also with quite a bit of leniency. People in those countries aren't dumb. They understand that you grew up under different circumstances and that you need time to adjust or probably never manage to 100% emulate their lifestyle. Outright discrimination was somewhat rare, though I can only speak as someone who is as visually European as you can get. Maybe they treat other ethnicities more harshly.
In summary, those countries are beautiful, clean and safe. Absolutely worth a visit or a short stay. BUT you will hate living there, if you have any inkling of being a distinct person with certain rights. You are either a happy little cog or you will be miserable.
What I've observed is that any country that is industrious and controlled by American military will become this over worked rank system culture. They will follow every law and not question it to a T. In Japan, I watched people do everything the police said, and then do what they wanted on the next street over. I also watched traffic get stopped because an older man or woman just crossed the street when they dang well pleased. The most accurate character in the Mulan animation is the grandma.
If math homework was done, students looked at manga, read about cars, and the teacher did nothing. The law was followed, and that was all they required.
If I had to deal with people who thought I was foreign and was scum, I acted dumb until they left. If they tried to speak English to me, I just spoke German or Spanish.
All that said, when my parents moved to Spokane, we were really shocked that the police arrived in force any time we called them. It never happens in other parts of Washington, especially Yakima where they lived previously.
Given what the kid was doing, I'd almost consider a public caning a justified sentence.
Like it's one thing for kids to get themselves into a little mischief and trouble, but it's quite another when they're actively going around stealing and vandalizing public property just because they're fucking bored.
Isn't this something the Simpsons parodied though? Only I think they changed the details, and had it happen in Australia. And all Bart did was prank some Aussies over the phone and left them with the bill. The final sentence after negotiation was for Bart to go to Australia and receive a public kick in the ass. Which is all quite a lot more humiliating I think for a much milder offense (in terms of how said mischief might evolve over time).
Certain US citizens (blacks) would instantly riot if they had to live under the rules that exist there.
I'm seeing some simple solutions.
Racially homogeneous populations appear to be required for high trust societies. Or at the very least certain racial demographics cause said high trust societies to detonate.
During the summer of love I saw people throwing that quote around and I told one of them “you notice how people who are harmed by the riots don’t throw around that quote”. I’ve lost the respect and admiration I once had for MLK Jr but the rest of that quote calls riots counter productive. What infuriates me is that you have politicians whining about how there are no jobs in their area and I’m like why would I invest in an area with a high likelihood of rioting and no backing from the cops
Agreed. I just hate it when people throw that quote around when they don’t live anywhere near rioting and looting. I bet their time would change if their stuff was destroyed
Martin Luther King Jr. would purposely place children on the edges of his protests, because he knew that the fire brigade would be called in to use their high-pressured hoses to disperse them. He knew that it would make the headlines, and he was right. It turned public sentiment in his favour.
He purposely placed children at risk of severe injury he expected to happen, simply because it was politically-expedient.
Yea. I learned about that and other things. I personally go by the content of character philosophy but he is hardly the one who came up with that. Or I guess it should say I go by the (or try to) love your neighbor as yourself commandment.
I used to really admire him and then I learned more about him.
Getting older, this is how I feel about my father. I understand him so much better, but it also revealed all the things he did wrong. So now he's just a man, and it's deflating ngl.
Ah, but if you don't have crime, how do you keep people scared and voting for more daddy government to keep you safe?
Singapore doesn't have that problem, because they're essentially already ruled by tyranny. A prosperous one for the people (such that it serves the tyrants), sure, but tyranny none the less.
It's part law - but it's also a very big part not letting in monkeys
Totalitarian or authoritarian would be better words. (and I don't know if it's really that either) Where minor public and private interactions are controlled and regulated by the state or dictator. Tyranny is the bad form of authoritarianism where good law abiding citizens are harassed. I don't think it's that bad in Singapore.
Singapore forces you to save for your own healthcare and retirement by taking a percentage out of your paycheck and put into dedicated accounts under your name. Not like the giant Ponzi scheme that is US Medicare or Social Security.
All authoritarian government is tyranny. And all tyrants deserve the rope.
He who governs least governs best.
Yeah, and I remember the big crying fuss that was made when they caned an American kid for vandalism.
Step out of line, they literally beat the fuck out of you.
They'd never allow that in the West, while people scream and cry and point at stuff from the London Dungeon to whine about how cruel the West is ...
Spare the rod, spoil the species.
Excess population breeding with each other while medical science saves people from themselves. Idiocracy, here we come!
Idiocracy has one giant flaw: the dysgenic population will not be majority white.
That wasn't an accident. Even back then, portraying poor black people as low IQ was off limits.
While right on this point, that guy that created it is not our friend in the end.
Having been to Singapore on multiple occasions, they need to add durian possession to their list of corporally punishable crimes!
Never, the durian is the national fruit of singapore
Urban danger vigilance is a great euphemism. Even normies know who you can and can't relax around.
And they know what side of the bread is buttered when it comes to tourism revenue and treat tourists accordingly. Unlike some Asian cities
So, nigger fatigue?
this was done to us, it didn't happen naturally.
If you want a youtube vid that goes into the details.
Singapore is run like a very successful corperation, which the government there pours money back into the civilian sector. There's an understanding between the government and citizens that if either fail, Singapore, who's geographically small next to Thailand and Malaysia and has to import most of it's food but is financially rich due to tourism, being the center of asian finance due to low taxes and having one of the best health-care systems in the world to the point that North Korean dictators travel there for surgery. if one of them fails, the country starts to come apart, the collectivism keeps them strong against their big northern neighbor China and US interests in the region.
We'll see how it goes. The current generation of leaders here are pretty cucked and globalised
Singapore has SEVERE punishments for crime.
This is exactly why George Soros is undermining our judiciary by planting DAs who won’t prosecute violent minorities.
Just ignore the crybabies. Like if you ignore a child throwing a fit they give up. Well I’d like to think just would happen
Something important missed from the title: "our leaders decide every day they'd rather [YOU] have crime". I'm pretty sure their gated communities and private security are perfectly safe.
I'm more concerned that there are bikes that expensive
Am I surprised that a journalist favours surrendering every last freedom, all for the ability to live exactly as directed by the government?
At least they enforce their laws and have actual deterrence
Yes, of course they do.
Do you think that journo would keep the even-handed elements of such a system in the unlikely event they were able to copy it to the US?
They are not leaders. They are false representatives.
I haven't watched that particular channel, but I did live in Korea for 5 years... a lot of what you said rings true... it has good and bad aspects just like anywhere else.
Best example I can always come up with to highlight the core cultural difference:
About 10 years ago there was a horrific ferry disaster in South Korea. A lot of people, including students, died when their boat sank. The reason so many people died is that they stayed below decks even as water was rushing in because the captain (who later escaped) told them to remain below decks.
If that happened in the west, the loss of life would have been significantly less because westerners aren't going to blindly listen to authority. As soon as the boat started tipping or water started coming in people would be running to the top decks and demanding answers.
Just consider how much of that ethos you can tolerate. Even as a foreigner I was expected to defer to authority in the workplace.
I will echo the sentiment about 'not being friends with the usual Japanese' (Koreans in my case). Foreigners will never be accepted into the culture and you just... accept it. You certainly can't change it.
Razorfist did a video of the Sewol disaster. It's astounding how authority figures will send innocent people to their deaths if it means saving face and covering their asses.
lol
I saw this weird English teacher on YT, and he's like "why am I poor? Why will no one hire me?" And I'm like you don't fit in. Japan has no place for your fuckin quirkiness. Leave.
I met some amazing people from all six continents in my time there. But the worst -- the absolute worst -- people I've ever encountered were the "Seoul foreigners."
I made the mistake of living there one year -- none of my coworkers spoke or could even read Korean, and had no interest in learning. They would go to Hongdae (college party neighborhood) 5-7 nights per week and hang out with other foreigners and pretend they're cultured.
But to another, interesting point -- my wife had a Japanese colleague who was here in the US doing research for a year. We didn't see each other often but we were like best friends when we did, and I think it's because we each had that shared experience of living in a foreign culture.
The biggest problem I had when I worked in Asia (S-Korea and Japan) was the absolute deference to authority. I am a law-abiding citizen, but my work often forces me to confront local police or the DA office (security related). There are many steps I can take in escalating order and I usually manage to get a fair conclusion.
In Asia this is different. People immediately assume you are in the wrong, the moment any figure of authority tells them to. Doesn't matter how outlandish or unreasonable their claims are. You are "rocking the boat" and therefore you need to change or yield. Personally I find this unbearable, but it seems to work for them.
Adding to your point about being a foreigner, I have to say that this wasn't much of a problem. It comes with additional responsibilities, but also with quite a bit of leniency. People in those countries aren't dumb. They understand that you grew up under different circumstances and that you need time to adjust or probably never manage to 100% emulate their lifestyle. Outright discrimination was somewhat rare, though I can only speak as someone who is as visually European as you can get. Maybe they treat other ethnicities more harshly.
In summary, those countries are beautiful, clean and safe. Absolutely worth a visit or a short stay. BUT you will hate living there, if you have any inkling of being a distinct person with certain rights. You are either a happy little cog or you will be miserable.
What I've observed is that any country that is industrious and controlled by American military will become this over worked rank system culture. They will follow every law and not question it to a T. In Japan, I watched people do everything the police said, and then do what they wanted on the next street over. I also watched traffic get stopped because an older man or woman just crossed the street when they dang well pleased. The most accurate character in the Mulan animation is the grandma.
If math homework was done, students looked at manga, read about cars, and the teacher did nothing. The law was followed, and that was all they required.
If I had to deal with people who thought I was foreign and was scum, I acted dumb until they left. If they tried to speak English to me, I just spoke German or Spanish.
All that said, when my parents moved to Spokane, we were really shocked that the police arrived in force any time we called them. It never happens in other parts of Washington, especially Yakima where they lived previously.
I have never had the misfortune to (need to) call the police on myself.
I have had the police called on me.
I guess there's two sides.
Given what the kid was doing, I'd almost consider a public caning a justified sentence.
Like it's one thing for kids to get themselves into a little mischief and trouble, but it's quite another when they're actively going around stealing and vandalizing public property just because they're fucking bored.
Isn't this something the Simpsons parodied though? Only I think they changed the details, and had it happen in Australia. And all Bart did was prank some Aussies over the phone and left them with the bill. The final sentence after negotiation was for Bart to go to Australia and receive a public kick in the ass. Which is all quite a lot more humiliating I think for a much milder offense (in terms of how said mischief might evolve over time).
I wish they publicly caned Jonny Somali.
Of course he deserved it. He got fewer lashes than Singaporean would have.
People were horrified that "oh a first world country still has corporal punishment." Weak.
It was great advertising for Singapore. After that, no American dared chew a stick of gum for years.
michael fay
I'm seeing some simple solutions.
Racially homogeneous populations appear to be required for high trust societies. Or at the very least certain racial demographics cause said high trust societies to detonate.
Then you keep squashing the riots with an iron hammer
Lookat dis fuggin raysis ass cracka, talkin' 'bout squashin' riots. Sheeeeit, riots is the voice of da unheard, bitch!
During the summer of love I saw people throwing that quote around and I told one of them “you notice how people who are harmed by the riots don’t throw around that quote”. I’ve lost the respect and admiration I once had for MLK Jr but the rest of that quote calls riots counter productive. What infuriates me is that you have politicians whining about how there are no jobs in their area and I’m like why would I invest in an area with a high likelihood of rioting and no backing from the cops
Riots are the voice of the unheard because nobody gives a shit what your cause is if you're acting like a rabid dog that needs to be put down.
Agreed. I just hate it when people throw that quote around when they don’t live anywhere near rioting and looting. I bet their time would change if their stuff was destroyed
Martin Luther King Jr. would purposely place children on the edges of his protests, because he knew that the fire brigade would be called in to use their high-pressured hoses to disperse them. He knew that it would make the headlines, and he was right. It turned public sentiment in his favour.
He purposely placed children at risk of severe injury he expected to happen, simply because it was politically-expedient.
Yea. I learned about that and other things. I personally go by the content of character philosophy but he is hardly the one who came up with that. Or I guess it should say I go by the (or try to) love your neighbor as yourself commandment.
I used to really admire him and then I learned more about him.
Don't ever meet your heroes.
On the flip side I met Larry Elder and he was awesome. I told him I was a fellow white supremacist
Getting older, this is how I feel about my father. I understand him so much better, but it also revealed all the things he did wrong. So now he's just a man, and it's deflating ngl.
Um I never liked MLK Jr tho.
Sounds like paradise
unless you didn't want to get jabbed
if the choice is between questionable vaccines and feral niggers I'll take the vaccines
Move there and find out
Yes, black ppl shit would not fly here